Windows 8 may get Aero Glass back via modder

In May, Microsoft revealed the new look of the desktop for Windows 8. The company said that it wanted the desktop to have more of a "Metro" (now Modern) look. Part of the changes included getting rid of the Aero Glass desktop look that was first introduced in Windows Vista. Microsoft said simply that ", We have moved beyond Aero Glass."

However, there are still Windows users who love the Aero Glass look of the desktop and were not happy that it would not be making an appearance in Windows 8. Now, a software modder claims he has found a way to put Aero Glass back into the RTM version of Windows 8.

In a post on PCBeta.com's message boards, the modder, who goes by the handle "kwanmacher", claims that he has put in the Aero Glass look in the Windows 8 desktop by adding in the source codes. He has also added a screenshot in his post to prove he got the mod to work.

This person claims that he will make the files for the Windows 8 Aero Glass mod freely available to download sometime next week. Hopefully they will work as advertised. We also hope Microsoft allows this kind of mod to be released for Windows 8.

Thanks to FaiKee for the tip!
Source: PCBeta.com | Images via Microsoft and PCBeta.com

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I like the win 7 explorer on win 8 hack i seen few weeks ago
Kills the Metro Tile crap and more..
I wouldn't be surprised to see a story on that soon

i'd post a link to it but i'm not sure it's appropriate considering what other
files are available at the same site. google it if need be

crud someone already posted it.. didn't appear at first but ok. ( was referring to glass glitch ) yes bravo

hagjohn said,
Remember when people hated Aero and wanted to turn it off. How things change.

Nope, liked it since the first screen shot I ever saw of Aero...

Microsoft should has leave the desktop as windows 7 was.
Than windows out of the box is a very good OS.
Now stay on 7 or mod windows 8.

I hope Microsoft reconsider it to bring the shine on the dektop back.

Big deal. Probably be able to get it through Windowsblinds as well if anyone still uses it that much. I could care less about aero or not.

Sekyal said,
Big deal. Probably be able to get it through Windowsblinds as well if anyone still uses it that much. I could care less about aero or not.

This is NOT Aero, this is just turning on the 'Glass/Blur' effect.

In Windows 8, AERO (aka DWM) is always enabled, as it is faster than the older XP drawing modes that Basic and Classic use.

(In Vista/7 when people would drop back to Basic/Classic because they thought it was faster, was the biggest mistake Microsoft made in not explaining this better. The fastest mode in Windows Vista/7 is to leave Aero enabled, and turn off 'Transparency' which is the 'Glass/Blurr' effect that this mod is turning back on.)

claims that he has put in the Aero Glass look in the Windows 8 desktop by adding in the source codes.

Right before firewalling the dns and hacking the ip address backups. There's a virus in our internets! It's being SSH'd! Run for cover!

Flippinwindows said,
That would be helpful because if so, I can enable dreamscenes and Themes and use Fraps.

FRAPS? In Windows 8 you could write an App that pulls the game recording from the composer, you no longer have to dip into hooking into the graphics system like you did on previous versions because of the full time composer. (That is active even with full screen games with WDM 1.2 drivers and some WDM 1.1 drivers.)

Look around for DWM based recording Apps, there should be stuff out there.

I'm just loving windows 8 dont get why people want Aero anyway just a system hog if anything. Windows 8 runs so smooth, If you want it to look like windows 7 then download the windows 7 explorer mod for windows 8 and it will look just like windows 7 then with the real start menu and everything!

OR

Just install windows 8 and then install Start8 and this Aero mod.

Just dont get all this windows 8 hate, its always about the way it looks not functions because it functions just fine. Mod windows 8 to look like windows 7 and shutup! It's a good OS.

Oh and this is very old news. Check here http://forums.mydigitallife.in...e-possible-in-Windows-8-RTM

There is a download link to this also on there

Or dont use a mod and just do this:


1st - Right Click - Open Personalization - Select High Contrast White - Go Color Setting (keep the window open)
2nd - Move Your Mouse On Charm Bar - Setting - Personalization - Select Any Of Windows Default Themes.
3rd - In Your Color Setting ( 1st High Contrast Window ) Change The Color Of Background Windows a Little Bit. Apply .Ok Its Done...


Here is a download link for your lazy folk to this PCBeta aero crap http://forums.mydigitallife.in...ntid=16836&d=1345461531

MrAnalysis said,
I'm just loving windows 8 dont get why people want Aero anyway just a system hog if anything.

You do realize "Aero" (DWM) is still fully active in Windows 8? Microsoft just replaced the translucent theme with an opaque one.

MrAnalysis said,
I'm just loving windows 8 dont get why people want Aero anyway just a system hog if anything. Windows 8 runs so smooth, If you want it to look like windows 7 then download the windows 7 explorer mod for windows 8 and it will look just like windows 7 then with the real start menu and everything!

OR

Just install windows 8 and then install Start8 and this Aero mod.

Just dont get all this windows 8 hate, its always about the way it looks not functions because it functions just fine. Mod windows 8 to look like windows 7 and shutup! It's a good OS.

Oh and this is very old news. Check here http://forums.mydigitallife.in...e-possible-in-Windows-8-RTM

There is a download link to this also on there

Or dont use a mod and just do this:


1st - Right Click - Open Personalization - Select High Contrast White - Go Color Setting (keep the window open)
2nd - Move Your Mouse On Charm Bar - Setting - Personalization - Select Any Of Windows Default Themes.
3rd - In Your Color Setting ( 1st High Contrast Window ) Change The Color Of Background Windows a Little Bit. Apply .Ok Its Done...


Here is a download link for your lazy folk to this PCBeta aero crap http://forums.mydigitallife.in...ntid=16836&d=1345461531


Didn't read the article completely, I guess

MrAnalysis said,
I'm just loving windows 8 dont get why people want Aero anyway just a system hog if anything. Windows 8 runs so smooth, If you want it to look like windows 7 then download the windows 7 explorer mod for windows 8 and it will look just like windows 7 then with the real start menu and everything!

OR

Just install windows 8 and then install Start8 and this Aero mod.

Just dont get all this windows 8 hate, its always about the way it looks not functions because it functions just fine. Mod windows 8 to look like windows 7 and shutup! It's a good OS.

Oh and this is very old news. Check here http://forums.mydigitallife.in...e-possible-in-Windows-8-RTM

There is a download link to this also on there

Or dont use a mod and just do this:


1st - Right Click - Open Personalization - Select High Contrast White - Go Color Setting (keep the window open)
2nd - Move Your Mouse On Charm Bar - Setting - Personalization - Select Any Of Windows Default Themes.
3rd - In Your Color Setting ( 1st High Contrast Window ) Change The Color Of Background Windows a Little Bit. Apply .Ok Its Done...


Here is a download link for your lazy folk to this PCBeta aero crap http://forums.mydigitallife.in...ntid=16836&d=1345461531

Um in Windows 7 AERO is not a resource hog... You are getting stuff confused.

In Windows 7, if you are using 'Basic' or 'Classic' you are disabling a major portion of the GPU acceleration features of the OS. Which slows down EVERYTHING.

If you don't like the Glass, on Windows 7, turn off the transparency, but LEAVE AERO enabled so you are losing a huge chunk of performance.

It drives me crazy to see people in Windows 7 think the 'pretty = slower' as the DWM/Aero is doing a LOT MORE than just the Glass borders. If you have 'Basic' enabled, this is the 'slowest' mode Windows 7 has, with Classic being a bit faster and Aero being up to 40% faster.
(Things like image decompression, font rendering, and other things the 3D portion of the GPU is far faster and rendering than your CPU.)

Think of it like this...

Android is laggy because it does not have a GPU accelerated UI and even in 4.x has limited GPU acceleration support in the UI.

WP7 has full GPU acceleration across the UI and OS, and why a 1ghz first gen WP7 device will seem snappier/faster than a quad core Android device.

When you are turning off Aero in Windows 7, you are effectively making it work like Android, shoving all the work to the CPU.


-----

As for Windows 8, the DWM (aka Aero) is ALWAYS enabled, there is no longer a classic or basic mode. Yes Microsoft removed the 'blur/Glass' effect, but the DWM/Aero is still there an still enabled 100% of the time.

(With WDM 1.2 drivers, it is even active and enabled when running full screen games, as it is FASTER than Windows 7 with DWM turned off for full screen gaming. There are sound reasons why something so counterintuitive would be faster, but it would be a really long and detailed uber tech discussion.)


SO STOP TURNING OFF AERO IN WINDOWS VISTA/7, instead just TURN OFF TRANSPARENCY!!!!

I like Aero in Windows 7. Sure it's nothing but eye candy (I never bought Microsoft's BS reason for Aero) but that's not a bad thing. Having Aero in Windows 8 will be welcomed and, based on the screenshot, it looks like it'll be a Gaussian blur and not straight transparency.

Colin McGregor said,
Second Screenshot is ugly, and once again modders ruining a perfectly fine OS to make it look like something older.

perfectly fine? The lack of color in Windows 8 hurts my eyes!

This is good news. And this mod will come out whether Microsoft likes it or not, I don't see them freaking out over all of the start menu mods, although they probably don't like it.

It looks good on that screenshot, but I'm not planning to make it glass. I like the white window with black transparent taskbar color configuration.

Just remember if the mod/hack alters core windows files to obtain it you could put your self at risk of voiding your key. Till then ill be happy with the non aero glass effect

Manarift said,
Just remember if the mod/hack alters core windows files to obtain it you could put your self at risk of voiding your key. Till then ill be happy with the non aero glass effect

Also if (and I stress IF) it's using assets from older version of Windows, then it's potentially illegal. If you've paid for an upgrade to 8, then you're not legally entitled to use your copy of Windows 7 any more, including any hacked out parts of it.

TCLN Ryster said,

Also if (and I stress IF) it's using assets from older version of Windows, then it's potentially illegal. If you've paid for an upgrade to 8, then you're not legally entitled to use your copy of Windows 7 any more, including any hacked out parts of it.


Thats true as well

Manarift said,
Just remember if the mod/hack alters core windows files to obtain it you could put your self at risk of voiding your key. Till then ill be happy with the non aero glass effect

Ya, not so much. It is a violation of the agreement, so if you want support for the mods you made, Microsoft won't help you, beyond that though, it is not something they care about or enforce.

People have been using Mods on Windows since the 1980s.

As I talked about before when people say OSS is needed for customization, they are following a false line of reasoning. Windows can be modified just as easily if the developer doesn't need an upper level language like C or C++ and can read machine code/assembly and modify it. OSS isn't any more 'open' it is just written in 'goof' simple terms instead of having to learn machine code for the platform to make a modification.

There are tons of Mods already out there, that enable TS/RDP features like multiple concurrent users on the desktop versions of Windows 7 to even foofoo stuff like enabling dreamscape from Vista Ultimate.

(The multi-user mode is one Microsoft would frown on in a large business environment, where a single system license is being used like a terminal services server, as it is basically enabling features from the server version of Windows at a fraction of the cost. )

Manarift said,
Just remember if the mod/hack alters core windows files to obtain it you could put your self at risk of voiding your key. Till then ill be happy with the non aero glass effect

Microsoft have never locked people out (that I know of anyway) for hacking the theming components of Windows, those rules were mainly brought in to stop people using "frankenbuilds"... which was replacement of Windows 7's licensing components with bits from the beta, essentially allowing the retail OS to be activated with a beta key. I seriously doubt they will disable people's keys for altering the theming components.

Manarift said,
Just remember if the mod/hack alters core windows files to obtain it you could put your self at risk of voiding your key. Till then ill be happy with the non aero glass effect

wrong.

show me 1 case where it was PROVEN that a modified system file
cause a machines key to be voided..

hillarious !
nice try though lol

edit:
If this was the case half of all people with corrupted hard drives
in the last decade would have their machines deactivated lol

lol where do you people come up with crap like this ?

I love aero glass so i'm all for this.
I just wish ms would have at least given us the option...
and the option to turn on/off start menu....

aviator189 said,
I love aero glass so i'm all for this.
I just wish ms would have at least given us the option...
and the option to turn on/off start menu....

Option for Aero Glass, yeah. They could've easily added another theme to choose from in the list.
Option to add start menu? Heck no. All the features of the cluttered mess that was the start menu that I used are now easily accessible elsewhere. I don't miss the start menu.

Edited by Ryster, Sep 1 2012, 12:29pm :

TCLN Ryster said,

Option for Aero Glass, yeah. They could've easily added another theme to choose from in the list.
Option to add start menu? Heck no. All the features of the cluttered mess that was the start menu that I used are now easily accessible elsewhere. I don't miss the start menu.

Well others disagree and besides having options is always better........ unless you are afraid that giving people the opportunity to choose would show that your idea was not so brilliant......

Fritzly said,

Well others disagree and besides having options is always better........ unless you are afraid that giving people the opportunity to choose would show that your idea was not so brilliant......


if we have options for every single feature that a user will miss, we'll have a bloated [s]crap[/s] OS on our hands

and by miss, I mean, cheesy miss, not a missing feature. The functionality is still there, only implemented differently.

Fritzly said,

Well others disagree and besides having options is always better........ unless you are afraid that giving people the opportunity to choose would show that your idea was not so brilliant......

You have the opportunity to choose not to use Windows 8.

TCLN Ryster said,

You have the opportunity to choose not to use Windows 8.

Your answer perfectly shows that either you do not know what, besides the GUI, are the differences between W7 and W8 or.....

Guys, guys, I have an idea

Let's install Windows 8 so we can isntall start menu mod, aero mod and other mods so it would look like OS we used before. Just like linux users says: you can make it look like windows if you spend 10 days customizing it.

You either adapt to change or you die, as Ballmer said

FoxieFoxie said,
Guys, guys, I have an idea

Let's install Windows 8 so we can isntall start menu mod, aero mod and other mods so it would look like OS we used before. Just like linux users says: you can make it look like windows if you spend 10 days customizing it.

You either adapt to change or you die, as Ballmer said

Let's just skip this messy OS and keep using 7 or choose alternatives.

[quote=FoxieFoxie said,]Guys, guys, I have an idea

Let's install Windows 8 so we can isntall start menu mod, aero mod and other mods so it would look like OS we used before. Just like linux users says: you can make it look like windows if you spend 10 days customizing it.

You either adapt to change or you die, as Ballmer said[/]

Ballmer...... enough said...

FoxieFoxie said,
Guys, guys, I have an idea

Let's install Windows 8 so we can isntall start menu mod, aero mod and other mods so it would look like OS we used before. Just like linux users says: you can make it look like windows if you spend 10 days customizing it.

You either adapt to change or you die, as Ballmer said

I sometimes think I should start a Blog on how to use File Manager, Program Manager, enable Explorer from Win95, Win95, WinXP and also how to boot into a full screen Command Prompt.

The crazy thing, is you can really do all these things with Windows 8, it is only the idiots that don't realize how customizable the OS really is...

Windows always has had the option to use a custom shell, replacing Program Manger 20 years ago and also replacing Explorer in Windows 8.

I am so tired of this outrage, and it comes from people not grasping that they are NOT FORCED to do freaking anything, and can customize the experience, even if the Neowin goofs headlines to get their attention are telling them otherwise.

Windows 8 is many, many times more customizable than OS X, and yet people are in here threatening to move to OS X to have 'choice'... That is just freaking ignorant.

not using win 8
sticking with windows 7.
having to mod it so much to look like 7 is not worth the trouble for me..

Its nice to see the world's talented crackers/coders/modders
stepping in to give people what they want and what Microsoft has failed to deliver.
(they would rather turn the other way and play stupid and ignore the customer)

If Metro cheerleaders don't like the mod's then don't install them .

and after giving the Glass people their transparencies, can somebody find a way to remove the taskbar's transparency for those of us who love the ugly UI?

MFH said,
Anything is better than this ugly gray mess AeroLight uses...

Gray? I thought the theme's default colour was blue?

TCLN Ryster said,

Gray? I thought the theme's default colour was blue?


Huh? All inactive windows in my version are grey/white...

MFH said,

Huh? All inactive windows in my version are grey/white...

Confirming, all inactive windows are fugly white/gray harmful to the human eye.

Please, before you post anything, do not complain about how much battery drain does the Glass effect will consume you. There are people out there who either have desktops, laptops plugged in, or really like the glass effect.

Thanks

Jose_49 said,
Please, before you post anything, do not complain about how much battery drain does the Glass effect will consume you. There are people out there who either have desktops, laptops plugged in, or really like the glass effect.

Even so, power consumption is still a consideration. There are hundreds of millions of computers in use and if you can reduce power consumption by even 1% then that's a significant saving in terms of power consumption when aggregated.

It's always a balancing act but most people won't miss the glass effect.

Jose_49 said,
True. But this hack would do harm to no one who really wants his transparency back.

I agree. I was just pointing out that it's good that Microsoft opted for a more power efficient solution out-of-the-box.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Even so, power consumption is still a consideration. There are hundreds of millions of computers in use and if you can reduce power consumption by even 1% then that's a significant saving in terms of power consumption when aggregated.

It's always a balancing act but most people won't miss the glass effect.

But 'Glass' is still present in the Taskbar. The UI is GPU accelerated regardless, it's going to use power, I don't think having the borders transparent would even effect performance or power consumption with today's GPU's.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I agree. I was just pointing out that it's good that Microsoft opted for a more power efficient solution out-of-the-box.


Not true.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Even so, power consumption is still a consideration. There are hundreds of millions of computers in use and if you can reduce power consumption by even 1% then that's a significant saving in terms of power consumption when aggregated.

It's always a balancing act but most people won't miss the glass effect.

Therefore invite people to raise the thermostat of their AC; note the use of the verb "invite".
I also wonder how did you decide that most people will not miss Aero; personally I am one of those who will not miss it but.......

theyarecomingforyou said,

Even so, power consumption is still a consideration. There are hundreds of millions of computers in use and if you can reduce power consumption by even 1% then that's a significant saving in terms of power consumption when aggregated.

It's always a balancing act but most people won't miss the glass effect.

The glass effect is only one facet of Aero. The GPU accelerated UI is actually still present and in fact cannot be disabled in Windows 8, just not the glass. It's just a matter of rendering solid colours VS transparent gradients, the difference in GPU usage would be negligible

theyarecomingforyou said,

I agree. I was just pointing out that it's good that Microsoft opted for a more power efficient solution out-of-the-box.

out of box is ok, but again LEAVE THE DAMN CHOICE TO USERS! just like the stupid metro crap

Jose_49 said,
Please, before you post anything, do not complain about how much battery drain does the Glass effect will consume you. There are people out there who either have desktops, laptops plugged in, or really like the glass effect.

Thanks

Glass itself wasn't the draw on battery, it was the Blur effect of the Glass, which is why transparency was turned off by default on most laptops power settings.

The problem with 'enabling' the transparency effect, is that remote connections that the host is doing the composer(DWM) in software instead of the GPU, is going to create a performance pop.

I understand the technical and UI consistency reasons Microsoft turned off the transparency, but I liked it and have modded it back on as well in the RTM.

Tony. said,

But 'Glass' is still present in the Taskbar. The UI is GPU accelerated regardless, it's going to use power, I don't think having the borders transparent would even effect performance or power consumption with today's GPU's.

When running a good GPU, ya it is tiny, but on a Tablet, it is NOT tiny.

The problem isn't 'transparent/glass' is the blur effect that keeps the Window borders from looking too transparent and becomes distracting.

Microsoft had 'good' reasons to remove it, to pretend like you understand the ramification better than a team of software engineers is a bit presumptuous...

thenetavenger said,

Glass itself wasn't the draw on battery, it was the Blur effect of the Glass, which is why transparency was turned off by default on most laptops power settings.

The problem with 'enabling' the transparency effect, is that remote connections that the host is doing the composer(DWM) in software instead of the GPU, is going to create a performance pop.

I understand the technical and UI consistency reasons Microsoft turned off the transparency, but I liked it and have modded it back on as well in the RTM.

I don't understand why they didn't just do what they do with Vista and 7... detect the capability of the GPU and adjust accordingly. But no, just spoil one of the best features of your product in the name of bastardisation. It's just the new Microsoft, apparently.

[quote=Javik said,] But no, just spoil one of the best features of your product in the name of bastardisation./quote]

Indeed! After all, if Stardock's Deskscapes can automatically disable itself when it discovers the device is running on battery power (the default behavior in the settings with a check box you can disable if desired), why can't Microsoft do this with the Aero theme under Metro?

Instead, the entire world now has to run an ugly, childish looking OS from the 1980's as if we're all using gimped devices by default.

Microsoft. Two steps back.

This is nice for those who would like to have Aero Glass under windows 8, Personally I don't see why Microsoft couldn't have made it an option, the option was always there as it is, they could have just had glass off by default.

It's not like the glass-less theme doesn't have its problems - it's impossible to set it to a nice dark color without the text in the title bar becoming unreadable because it is black and there is no (easy) way to change it, the new theme without glass definitely seemed rushed, I really liked aero glass under the release preview.

IronChef75 said,
Having the option of using Aero Glass would be nice.

Even better would be Microsoft giving users the choice during installation of Windows- 8 "Use Metro or Classic UI?" Regrettably, third-party software companies will develop workarounds/add-ons/Registry hacks to restore the Windows-7 UI to Windows-8. Not an elegant solution.

TsarNikky said,

Even better would be Microsoft giving users the choice during installation of Windows- 8 "Use Metro or Classic UI?" Regrettably, third-party software companies will develop workarounds/add-ons/Registry hacks to restore the Windows-7 UI to Windows-8. Not an elegant solution.


Subscribe to that. That or detecting if you are running a device with touch capabilities. The metro UI is useless for non touch devices. Hope it goes away, or I'll just keep with 7.

David Crane said,

Subscribe to that. That or detecting if you are running a device with touch capabilities. The metro UI is useless for non touch devices. Hope it goes away, or I'll just keep with 7.

It goes away when you enter the desktop...derp.

DClark said,

It goes away when you enter the desktop...derp.
That's nice, if you only use your PC to look at an empty desktop. Derp derp

David Crane said,
That's nice, if you only use your PC to look at an empty desktop. Derp derp

How is that any different from what we have now? If it's empty, then that's up to the user.

mikeyx12 said,

How is that any different from what we have now? If it's empty, then that's up to the user.

How about bringing back the option of using a Start menu, a usable file explorer? Maintaining app and hardware compatibility? Getting rid of those useless tiles that add no usability to a desktop PC? Windows has gone down the drain in terms of usability for me and most of the desktop PC users out there. They'll just keep using 7, or move to OSX, Linux...

TsarNikky said,

Even better would be Microsoft giving users the choice during installation of Windows- 8 "Use Metro or Classic UI?" Regrettably, third-party software companies will develop workarounds/add-ons/Registry hacks to restore the Windows-7 UI to Windows-8. Not an elegant solution.

How about an option to "install start button"?

David Crane said,
How about bringing back the option of using a Start menu, a usable file explorer? Maintaining app and hardware compatibility? Getting rid of those useless tiles that add no usability to a desktop PC? Windows has gone down the drain in terms of usability for me and most of the desktop PC users out there. They'll just keep using 7, or move to OSX, Linux...

Explore is more usable, with more functionality, and even takes up less screen space.

As for the idiocy about the Start Menu being full screen 'bothering' you, maybe you should go to OS X and embrace the Menu Bar that is a non-GUI Textual UI element from the 1970s that Macs are still using in a modern GUI based OS.

Heck, just set Windows to boot to a Command prompt, cause all the fancy stuff is confusing you...

You do realize you can get to the Desktop automatically, and even ignore the new Start Menu/Screen by throwing a few folders on the desktop with shortcuts, and even docking one to the Taskbar that creates a Menu for its contents,

If you think you are losing anything or losing any functionality, you are not comprehending something. Seriously.

David Crane said,
That's nice, if you only use your PC to look at an empty desktop. Derp derp

i could go on for ages pointing out why an empty desktop is wanted but i will
list one good reason.. I myself use Aida64's Sensor panel and it covers a portion of the desktop.
People seriously for the love of god could you STOP with this i don't need or like something so everyone should be forced to have stuff how I want it.
It's really exhausting pointing out to the ignorant that people have different ways or preferences for having their machines setup.
I'm right and everyone is dumb or using it wrong right ?
Gimme a bloody break !

thenetavenger said,

Explore is more usable, with more functionality, and even takes up less screen space.

As for the idiocy about the Start Menu being full screen 'bothering' you, maybe you should go to OS X and embrace the Menu Bar that is a non-GUI Textual UI element from the 1970s that Macs are still using in a modern GUI based OS.

Heck, just set Windows to boot to a Command prompt, cause all the fancy stuff is confusing you...

You do realize you can get to the Desktop automatically, and even ignore the new Start Menu/Screen by throwing a few folders on the desktop with shortcuts, and even docking one to the Taskbar that creates a Menu for its contents,

If you think you are losing anything or losing any functionality, you are not comprehending something. Seriously.

Complete BS .
Spare me the cocky expert opinion
Few million "idiots" would beg to differ there pal..

David Crane said,
How about bringing back the option of using a Start menu, a usable file explorer? Maintaining app and hardware compatibility? Getting rid of those useless tiles that add no usability to a desktop PC? Windows has gone down the drain in terms of usability for me and most of the desktop PC users out there. They'll just keep using 7, or move to OSX, Linux...

haters be hating.
you are either a common troll or you have absolutely NO clue what the donkey your talking about and should either get yourself informed or RTFM
and to others responding to him, let him, who cares about someone who is either trolling, or flaming with his narrow blinded vision.

I am Not PCyr said,

Complete BS .
Spare me the cocky expert opinion
Few million "idiots" would beg to differ there pal..


nah he is right.. and few million... the win8 haters are a big minority, they just scream very hard and attent to people that wanna belong to a 'cool' crowd of people.

knock yourself out mate but the File explorer is great, much better then Win7's. maybe you should use it once at least before flaming it