Windows 8 pre-beta demoed, shows new features [Video]

There is no doubt that Windows 8 is a hot topic at CES 2012. The new OS is quickly approaching beta and will be in the consumer hands before we know it. At the Microsoft booth today, a pre-beta build was shown off that included new features that are not currently included in the developers preview. 

There are some things that had not been seen before such as new background colors, mouse gestures, and of course, Microsoft Music. The demo lasted about 17 minutes and is a great overview of what Windows 8 will offer.

There was a lot of excitement at the booth for many reasons but the vision Microsoft has for the Metro UI begins to become a bit more clear after viewing the demo; Metro will be a fantastic addition to the platform. While many critics are writing it off without having used the interface, it offers a lot of flexibility and a new way to interact with your PC.

 

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Still not sure if I'll upgrade my Desktop to this, I mean it looks impressive but need to play with it myself first. Hence, I definetly plan to grab the beta and have a play with it

from watching the videos above i'm becoming more excited about windows 8 and can't wait to see the beta and the final end product....

You can't shut Metro off. Just, no. Seriously, I remember going from Win 3.1 to 95 and asking the sales rep if I could just get a machine with 3.1. He said, "you'd be going backwards". He was right. Everyone wanting to just have a simple desktop is going backwards but here's the good news: you can still use the desktop if you need it.

The demo also showed simultaneous Metro/Desktop action. It's looking more and more polished.

So tile to lunch let's say Visual Studio 2010 consist on one big ass square with little icon in it which is completely odd ball on it. Microsoft call that efficient? They must be out of their mind. As someone said a guy giving presentation doesn't believe in half crap he said.

Biggest previously un-hinted-at change here is that rearranging tiles looks WAY better (at 6:40) - in the preview the way the surrounding tiles would rearrange themselves when you moved a tile was very unintuitive, now you can actually see where they'll go while you drag the tile. The drag-to-the-bottom-to-zoom-out looks handy too.

They told us about this when the dev-preview was first announced - including the zooming out and rearranging (though, at the time, they were demoing a build a lot newer than the dev preview)

I've yet to see anything exciting on Win8 that they won't or can't patch to Win7 in SP2... I mean come on MS why even fool with Win8 just up Win7 with SP2 and slim it down for a tablet... push on to something even better for a sales point of view.

sava700 said,
I've yet to see anything exciting on Win8 that they won't or can't patch to Win7 in SP2... I mean come on MS why even fool with Win8 just up Win7 with SP2 and slim it down for a tablet... push on to something even better for a sales point of view.

why do chips makers come up with new covers and new flavour and new names while it still feels the same? It is attractive

So basically Windows 8 Desktop looks like Window 7 and they slapped Metro crap on it. These two together do not fit at all, my god what a crap. Dear Microsoft, PC is not a Tablet. I hope we can disable Metro completely from the system!

techguy77 said,
So basically Windows 8 Desktop looks like Window 7 and they slapped Metro crap on it. These two together do not fit at all, my god what a crap. Dear Microsoft, PC is not a Tablet. I hope we can disable Metro completely from the system!

You say that now.
Once your favorite desktop applications transition to Metro style, implementing the features described in the videos, you'll be turning it back on, or spending 3x longer accomplishing tasks under the old paradigm.

dotf said,

You say that now.
Once your favorite desktop applications transition to Metro style, implementing the features described in the videos, you'll be turning it back on, or spending 3x longer accomplishing tasks under the old paradigm.

There is no favorite desktop application thing for me. Metro design does not work for people like me because it is intrusive and no metro **** can lunch application faster than single click on desktop. I don't use touch screen and using mouse for this crap is going to get me carpet tunnel syndrom. I don't use Windows Media Player nor i watch video while coding in Visual Studio. I don't need 15 stupid apps sucking up my internet connection for some info in tiles i don't care about and most people especially in business wont care about. Truth is i wont even be installing Windows 8 unless there is a good way not only to disable it but completely remove it from Windows Install, if possible.

techguy77 said,
......

Just do yourself a favor and look at the documentation for the Windows Runtime to see if the solutions you code would be better suited for Metro style than classi desktop. Your customers WILL thank you.

techguy77 said,

There is no favorite desktop application thing for me. Metro design does not work for people like me because it is intrusive and no metro **** can lunch application faster than single click on desktop. I don't use touch screen and using mouse for this crap is going to get me carpet tunnel syndrom. I don't use Windows Media Player nor i watch video while coding in Visual Studio. I don't need 15 stupid apps sucking up my internet connection for some info in tiles i don't care about and most people especially in business wont care about. Truth is i wont even be installing Windows 8 unless there is a good way not only to disable it but completely remove it from Windows Install, if possible.

I'm with you my friend! What we (the power users) need is the damn professional edition which should be what the name says... for PROFESSIONALS! Each year they release windows professional which has nothing professional about it! Heck, they can even call it Developer's edition, I don't give a hoot, as long as it's free from the Metro Crap! I'm tired to see what my so called friends are doing on facebook or other useless social network. I just want to focus on my work and nothing else, but still have a decent desktop look, not the Aero/Metro ugly mutant thingy... which makes me throw up!

Microsofts new direction in Interface Design is the biggest thing to happen in tech in decades. As great as Apple was with the iPhone and the new direction in mobile, nobody has stepped out of the box and into the future of design like this.

Going to be an amazing next couple years for MS.

Microsoft is trolling us!

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

i went that now!! :cries: hehe


err Problem geeks?

Just hoping that there will be a way of using traditional apps in the metro envrionment rather than switching between the metro ui and the regular windows desktop...

thechronic said,
Just hoping that there will be a way of using traditional apps in the metro envrionment rather than switching between the metro ui and the regular windows desktop...

This.

Loving Windows 7 so far, so no comment on Windows 8 until feature packed version shows up. One thing for sure, windows 8 is definitely aimed towards laptop and tablets. Anyone says otherwise is just too fanboyish to admit it.

MaSx said,
Loving Windows 7 so far, so no comment on Windows 8 until feature packed version shows up. One thing for sure, windows 8 is definitely aimed towards laptop and tablets. Anyone says otherwise is just too fanboyish to admit it.

They want one OS to run it all. Lord of the OSs?? I'd like to run an app on my laptop, tablet and desktop and have them all be the same exact app. Touch monitors are coming also. Great... more smudges.

So in short a half an hour of fafing about with metro and 30 seconds of the desktop Media Player & Center still MIA.

I really wish we could just park metro for once and look at the desktop & applications. Fingers crossed we will be able to index network shares again.

PhilT said,
So in short a half an hour of fafing about with metro and 30 seconds of the desktop Media Player & Center still MIA.

I really wish we could just park metro for once and look at the desktop & applications. Fingers crossed we will be able to index network shares again.

Media Player is there

PhilT said,
.....

I would love to see Metro Media Center.

Oh how I would love to snap that while doing traditional desktop stuff.
I hate how the window size on the windows 7 desktop is locked to the aspect ratio of the source.
I imagine that if it's in the snapped layout that some remote functions over and above the traditional media strip would be available, along with program metadata.

Zedox said,
When the beta is released.

For free apps only, which is a shame, because I know of a few commercial developers that would love to sell their apps earlly with the promise of upgrade to RTM.

Also, it will hinder the adoption Metro style apps and the start experience as many of the Apps will facilitate scenarios we cannot yet imagine. Without them Metro on the PC will be panned by most.

Oh, I'm also curious about Explorer and file management.

The Start Screen just looks like the Start Menu with way oversized icons.

All this touchy-feeling orientation reminds me of a 50s Lucky Strike commercial, whose tag line was "LS/MFT" One variant, explains Windows 8 so completely "Let's stop/my finger is tired."

Thus far, I'm not a big fan, though I won't say it sucks or not until I've actually used it for more than 5 minutes. If they leave in an option to stick with a Win7-like desktop environment, but keep the Win8 updates to hardware, memory, etc, then I'm still definitely in.

I am someone who uses the context menu for pretty much everything. Seeing it ditched on the side of the road like this in the demo is my main hesitation. I don't need an automatic copy and paste thing, and the IE10 version they are using without even visual tabs... I have like 10 tabs open I switch between constantly. They take up all of 50 pixels of space. I don't see any need to get rid of them.

And I still don't get the start screen. The windows taskbar and system tray let you switch between apps quickly and automatically display updates like e-mails and weather while only occupying a tiny bit of space, instead of some goofy brightly colored blob. Win7 can dock and stick applications to the side of the screen already, so I don't see how that is a big deal.

The other thing I am hesitant about is multitasking. Yea, they show some in the video, but let me describe what I'm looking at right now: 2 monitors, one of which has a mIRC window and a minimized media player (WinAmp in WindowShade mode) floating on top of my browser, a taskbar with all 6 of my programs, time, date, weather, processor temperature, audio systray button for switching to my headset, any new mail items I get, etc. I don't see the start screen making any access to this easier.

It is like Gadgets gone mad. Gadgets generally blow.

We'll see about beta.

Basically all your concerns can be answered by saying - you can use everything that you do on Windows 7 basically the same on Windows 8. There's a standard desktop IE 10 included, multitasking will work the same as Windows 7, etc. (Infact, Windows 8 Metro apps can't actually use any CPU when they're not visible - so they can't really "multitask" in the background)

~Johnny said,
Basically all your concerns can be answered by saying - you can use everything that you do on Windows 7 basically the same on Windows 8. There's a standard desktop IE 10 included, multitasking will work the same as Windows 7, etc. (Infact, Windows 8 Metro apps can't actually use any CPU when they're not visible - so they can't really "multitask" in the background)

They "multitask" in the sense that developers have to code them to get updates while they are in the background. That's how you get messages and emails but the computer is locked.

~Johnny said,
Basically all your concerns can be answered by saying - you can use everything that you do on Windows 7 basically the same on Windows 8. There's a standard desktop IE 10 included, multitasking will work the same as Windows 7, etc. (Infact, Windows 8 Metro apps can't actually use any CPU when they're not visible - so they can't really "multitask" in the background)

bull****

that giant start screen pos needs to go.

Zedox said,

They "multitask" in the sense that developers have to code them to get updates while they are in the background. That's how you get messages and emails but the computer is locked.

Developers can't actually do that like they can in Windows Phone. However, they can make an app subscribe to push notifications, but that requires the developer to have a web server set up and running and able to deal with all the requests (requires money money money... @_@)

nekrosoft13 said,

bull****

that giant start screen pos needs to go.

Go into desktop mode and stay there forever. You can do that, you know? However, having your fully customized start screen with all of your favorite and most used apps is handy too. You can pull it up and see new messages, weather updates, news feeds, friend updates, hottest videos, etc, etc. Then when you're done you can just go right back into desktop mode and forget Metro ever existed.

Zagadka said,

The other thing I am hesitant about is multitasking. Yea, they show some in the video, but let me describe what I'm looking at right now: 2 monitors, one of which has a mIRC window and a minimized media player (WinAmp in WindowShade mode) floating on top of my browser, a taskbar with all 6 of my programs, time, date, weather, processor temperature, audio systray button for switching to my headset, any new mail items I get, etc. I don't see the start screen making any access to this easier.

Everything you mention works more or less the same in 8 developer preview as in 7. The taskbar is still there, systray, multimonitor support for desktop (improved - you can now have a taskbar spanning multiple monitors), window management on the desktop etc. The only thing that's been replaced is the start menu.

Impressive, you can have classic and metro style apps on the screen at the same time by snapping the metro app to the side.... nice!

TCLN Ryster said,
Impressive, you can have classic and metro style apps on the screen at the same time by snapping the metro app to the side.... nice!

I'm hoping with enough resolution we can have Metro | Desktop | Metro or any combination therof we can imagine.

~Johnny said,
Sometime from February 20 - 28.

Really? I didn't know that. When was this range given? At Build blog?

For tablets and touch screen it look promising but for traditional PCs I'm not so sure. The demo videos dont really show off Windows 8 for PCs.

So...

I mean I love demos of just about anything, but... why does every demo from MS make me feel like I'm watching vacation slides from someone I don't really like very much? From Windows Phone to Windows 8, it's always the same thing.

...oh look, someone's kid. Oh look, someone's wife. Oh look, someone's wife and kid. Oh look. Oh look, your buddy from college you play ultimate frisbee with.

We get it. The PC is personal. Your content 'comes to life'. But I don't believe that, in reality, people shove pictures of family and friends into every nook and cranny of their devices. We need to get some of those folks from the monthly desktop threads to go in and customize these demo units for them.

Joshie said,
So...

I mean I love demos of just about anything, but... why does every demo from MS make me feel like I'm watching vacation slides from someone I don't really like very much? From Windows Phone to Windows 8, it's always the same thing.

...oh look, someone's kid. Oh look, someone's wife. Oh look, someone's wife and kid. Oh look. Oh look, your buddy from college you play ultimate frisbee with.

We get it. The PC is personal. Your content 'comes to life'. But I don't believe that, in reality, people shove pictures of family and friends into every nook and cranny of their devices. We need to get some of those folks from the monthly desktop threads to go in and customize these demo units for them.

Believe it or not, a LOT of Windows users are actually Mums and Dads. I don't know many Mums and Dads that don't like to have pictures of their family for their wallpaper.

TCLN Ryster said,
Believe it or not, a LOT of Windows users are actually Mums and Dads. I don't know many Mums and Dads that don't like to have pictures of their family for their wallpaper.

And this is really the point of Metro. Remove all that UI complexity that we geeks have come to love in order to present ONLY the information your average mum and dad need to get their content where they want them, be it cloud, device or direct send to contact.

Joshie said,

I mean I love demos of just about anything, but... why does every demo from MS make me feel like I'm watching vacation slides from someone I don't really like very much? From Windows Phone to Windows 8, it's always the same thing.

That's hardly unique to MS.

On a separate note, I really hope someone figures out how to get windows 8 beta running well on an HP Touchpad lol :-p

Prob not gonna be possible though hey.

Windows 8 for tablets and devices with a touchscreen? HELL YES!

Windows 8 for desktops? I'd rather not.

Windows 8 for laptops with a touchpad? OH PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO ME. You have to move such large distances over the touchpad since everything is placed so far apart. I'm not liking it. I'm a speed master with the new Windows 7 shortcuts (Winkey+numbers for example), I can't miss those anymore.

Ambroos said,
Windows 8 for tablets and devices with a touchscreen? HELL YES!

Windows 8 for desktops? I'd rather not.

Windows 8 for laptops with a touchpad? OH PLEASE DONT DO THIS TO ME. You have to move such large distances over the touchpad since everything is placed so far apart. I'm not liking it. I'm a speed master with the new Windows 7 shortcuts (Winkey+numbers for example), I can't miss those anymore.

Winkey+numbers and other shortcuts still work. In fact they even work while you're inside a Metro-style app or on the start screen - the taskbar is apparently still "there" in some sense, though it's not visible.

Xilo said,
If Metro and the new bastardized start menu is still forced upon desktop users, then no thanks.

This isn't constructive at all.
The new new start screen/menu shows you all you needs in a glimpse, search shows more results per page, live tile are awesome and so on. Seriously, bring something constructive, because there is no reason to hate it.

Anthonyd said,

This isn't constructive at all.
The new new start screen/menu shows you all you needs in a glimpse, search shows more results per page, live tile are awesome and so on. Seriously, bring something constructive, because there is no reason to hate it.

Every opinion must be constructive? To be honest I don't like it either, and before you say "then stay with 7" thats my plan. Here is something constructive, "old" start menu, know where everything is at... Quick easy to the point. "new" start screen, screen changes, where is this of that, I have to scroll. To be clear, I just want to get stuff done and not have to jump between screens.

Skruff said,

Every opinion must be constructive? To be honest I don't like it either, and before you say "then stay with 7" thats my plan. Here is something constructive, "old" start menu, know where everything is at... Quick easy to the point. "new" start screen, screen changes, where is this of that, I have to scroll. To be clear, I just want to get stuff done and not have to jump between screens.

If you have a mouse&keyboard, you have everything under your hand in a quarter of second. Unless you are part of the people who are still trying to click on an appz shortcut instead of using the clever search introduced in Vista?

Anyway, yes I think it's better to have a constructive opinion, because most of the time it just full of wrong point and shows that people are miss-informed.

Xilo said,
If Metro and the new bastardized start menu is still forced upon desktop users, then no thanks.

agreed,
windows 95 = horrible
windows 98 = slightly better
widows ME = flop
windows xp = good
windows vista = so-so, generally disliked by almost everyone = flop
windows 7 = great
windows 8 = see the pattern?

welcome to the next flop

Skruff said,

Every opinion must be constructive? To be honest I don't like it either, and before you say "then stay with 7" thats my plan. Here is something constructive, "old" start menu, know where everything is at... Quick easy to the point. "new" start screen, screen changes, where is this of that, I have to scroll. To be clear, I just want to get stuff done and not have to jump between screens.

On the contrary: In the 'old' start mnu, things move. You don't know where everything is at. In the new start screen they stay in the same place once pinned. You are more likely to 'have to scroll' with the old menu

Anthonyd said,
If you have a mouse&keyboard, you have everything under your hand in a quarter of second. Unless you are part of the people who are still trying to click on an appz shortcut instead of using the clever search introduced in Vista?

Anyway, yes I think it's better to have a constructive opinion, because most of the time it just full of wrong point and shows that people are miss-informed.

Ok, wrong words.... -constructive opinion +same opinion... You called this guy out because he had a differing opinion to yours

Wrong point, misinformed... What is the wrong point or misinformation? The point was he doesnt like the new start menu. I'm sure he enjoys using the old menu... Me also for the information I have already posted
See this is where the different of opinion comes into play, also the fact that you must deal with it

burnblue said,

On the contrary: In the 'old' start mnu, things move. You don't know where everything is at. In the new start screen they stay in the same place once pinned. You are more likely to 'have to scroll' with the old menu


burnblue said,

On the contrary: In the 'old' start mnu, things move. You don't know where everything is at. In the new start screen they stay in the same place once pinned. You are more likely to 'have to scroll' with the old menu

Everything I use has stayed in the same spot since I've installed 7... What moves?

nekrosoft13 said,

agreed,
windows 95 = horrible
windows 98 = slightly better
widows ME = flop
windows xp = good
windows vista = so-so, generally disliked by almost everyone = flop
windows 7 = great
windows 8 = see the pattern?

welcome to the next flop

Why was Vista disliked, yet Windows 7 (which actually had very little in the way of changes from Vista) is gushed over? Can anyone that panned Vista - yet praised 7, explain why the change of attitude?


The Windows-key shortcuts have NOT disappeared - not any of them. (Why would they? That Winkey shortcut system has roots going back to the *original* Windows 3x/NT - it's not going anywhere.) You are making assumptions based on the Start menu being missing.

From an application standpoint (any application), the Start menu is not that important. YOUR issue is that you've gotten used to the Start menu being there - it's a subjective POV - not an objective one.

My objection isn't to subjective points of view in and of themselves - its to confusing subjectivity with OBjectivity. (But then, that sort of confusion is, in fact, running rampant in every aspect of life - let alone computing.).

PGHammer said,

Why was Vista disliked, yet Windows 7 (which actually had very little in the way of changes from Vista) is gushed over? Can anyone that panned Vista - yet praised 7, explain why the change of attitude?


The Windows-key shortcuts have NOT disappeared - not any of them. (Why would they? That Winkey shortcut system has roots going back to the *original* Windows 3x/NT - it's not going anywhere.) You are making assumptions based on the Start menu being missing.

From an application standpoint (any application), the Start menu is not that important. YOUR issue is that you've gotten used to the Start menu being there - it's a subjective POV - not an objective one.

My objection isn't to subjective points of view in and of themselves - its to confusing subjectivity with OBjectivity. (But then, that sort of confusion is, in fact, running rampant in every aspect of life - let alone computing.).


Your issue is that you assume everyone wants to and uses keyboard shortcuts for everything and everyone should do everything similar to you.

Skruff said,
Everything I use has stayed in the same spot since I've installed 7... What moves?

By default, half the menu is 'most used' programs. By its very nature, this moves around. The full list of programs moves around as you install more programs.

The smart person in the store will be the company that releases a Win8 ready tablet the day the beta is released. Priced correctly, I am all over that tablet.

limok said,
Win8 is going to force me to buy a tablet!!

can't wait to get a win8 tablet, will be selling my macbook.

Looks interesting but looks too cluttered at the same time, I hope they stream line it like it Windows 7 cause not every computer is a tablet or tablet capable.

shadodemon said,
Looks interesting but looks too cluttered at the same time, I hope they stream line it like it Windows 7 cause not every computer is a tablet or tablet capable.

Take it from someone who used the DP, it's really not that cluttered in person. Or rather I didn't think it was.

SharpGreen said,

Take it from someone who used the DP, it's really not that cluttered in person. Or rather I didn't think it was.

I'm on the DP right now - and it's not even close to being as cluttered in person as folks would think, and I haven't changed how I install applications even a little.

I admit - I'm one of those "kitchen-sink" installer types - especially with application suites (such as Microsoft Office, for example). However, a funny thing happened with Microsoft Office since 2003 - it doesn't create a single desktop shortcut - not even for Outlook, which is my single open-several-times-daily application from Office. (That's right - more so than even Word.) So how do I get to Outlook, with no desktop shortcut, and no Start menu? Simple - Windows key + R still brings up the Run dialog box on the desktop; in that box I type in "outlook" (no quotation marks in actuality), mash the Enter key, and Outlook launches. Not even so much as a mouse click. The method works for any application, game, utility, etc. I have installed in the WDP. It doesn't matter if it's Metro or classic. And the system is quite traditional - in fact, it's a desktop.

SharpGreen said,

Take it from someone who used the DP, it's really not that cluttered in person. Or rather I didn't think it was.

And did you use it on a multimonitor desktop? I did and it's an incredible waste of screen real estate on anything more than one small screen. I love Metro for tablets, phone, etc. but I'll be "turning it off" for my day to day desktop use unless we get a "sidebar-like" option that works unobtrusively.

excalpius said,

And did you use it on a multimonitor desktop? I did and it's an incredible waste of screen real estate on anything more than one small screen. I love Metro for tablets, phone, etc. but I'll be "turning it off" for my day to day desktop use unless we get a "sidebar-like" option that works unobtrusively.

It's better use of screen real-estate for the start menu. You get more information and makes it easier to read than it is in the cluttered start menu.

I would agree that not having the ability to window the metro apps is a major issue. Zune is a beautiful app full-screen and works just as well with little chrome (window frames) as a window. Why they can't just let me restore it to a window is beyond me. At least make it an option to enable windowed metro apps or have a desktop vs tablet role where it can do that automatically.

excalpius said,

And did you use it on a multimonitor desktop? I did and it's an incredible waste of screen real estate on anything more than one small screen. I love Metro for tablets, phone, etc. but I'll be "turning it off" for my day to day desktop use unless we get a "sidebar-like" option that works unobtrusively.

How is it a waste of space? If anything, the old start menu which took up 10% of your screen was wasting space.

PGHammer said,

I'm on the DP right now - and it's not even close to being as cluttered in person as folks would think, and I haven't changed how I install applications even a little.

I admit - I'm one of those "kitchen-sink" installer types - especially with application suites (such as Microsoft Office, for example). However, a funny thing happened with Microsoft Office since 2003 - it doesn't create a single desktop shortcut - not even for Outlook, which is my single open-several-times-daily application from Office. (That's right - more so than even Word.) So how do I get to Outlook, with no desktop shortcut, and no Start menu? Simple - Windows key + R still brings up the Run dialog box on the desktop; in that box I type in "outlook" (no quotation marks in actuality), mash the Enter key, and Outlook launches. Not even so much as a mouse click. The method works for any application, game, utility, etc. I have installed in the WDP. It doesn't matter if it's Metro or classic. And the system is quite traditional - in fact, it's a desktop.


Why not just tap the windows key and use search?

StarLion said,

Why not just tap the windows key and use search?

The point is that *either* is usable.

The Windows-key shortcut system is old - very old. It goes all the way back to, in fact, the original keyboards with Windows-key shortcuts (the Microsoft Natural Keyboard and it's clones); that means that it actually predates Windows 9x. While it *did* get a trainload of additions with Metro, the shortcuts that already existed (the ones for "power users") still work the same way they always have. The entire WIN+ shortcut system, in fact, got seriously energized when Index Server was added as standard fare across Windows NT's OS-base with Windows 2000 Professional; Index Server itself has gotten periodic improvements and refreshes since with each new iteration of Windows.

Search has been there for over a decade - it's simply been horribly underused, even by so-called "power users".

My favorite thing was the drag down to close a metro app. Last time I checked out the beta it seemed there was no real way to close an app therefor it always stayed in the Alt-Tab menu. This is looking great.

David Chenell said,
My favorite thing was the drag down to close a metro app. Last time I checked out the beta it seemed there was no real way to close an app therefor it always stayed in the Alt-Tab menu. This is looking great.

time travel much? The beta doesnt come out until Feb. If you mean the dev preview, that's a dev preview, not a feature rich beta.

Pete G said,
looking better, but lets hope you can keep windows like windows and shut off the metro if you like.

Or stick with Windows 7.

Pete G said,
looking better, but lets hope you can keep windows like windows and shut off the metro if you like.

Microsoft will have no problem with you sticking with Windows 7. Seeing how many people stuck on XP, they knew that people are comfortable enough with Win7 where they can take risks expanding Win8 to a new realm. If you don't see the new application platform as having any benefit to you, then you don't need to get Win 8.

Or, you could get Win 8 and just use the desktop and not find a singe thing to complain about. The fact that they switched out the Start Menu for a screen full of tiles should in no way affect your happy desktop use (it doesn't affect mine). The taskbar and everything are still where you left it all. You see the Start Screen -once- when you log in, and that makes sense, since you're starting... how many emails do I have? What do I want to run? etc

Metro isn't a thing you "turn off". It's an additional application platform that has benefits (and drawbacks, sure) that Win32 doesn't.

efjay said,

Or stick with Windows 7.

You are so right. Serious personal and business PC users will be sticking with Windows 7, until the next "serious" version is released. Windows 8 is to tied to tablets and smart phones--clearly not oriented to mouse and keyboard oriented tasks and applications.

burnblue said,

Microsoft will have no problem with you sticking with Windows 7. Seeing how many people stuck on XP, they knew that people are comfortable enough with Win7 where they can take risks expanding Win8 to a new realm. If you don't see the new application platform as having any benefit to you, then you don't need to get Win 8.

Or, you could get Win 8 and just use the desktop and not find a singe thing to complain about. The fact that they switched out the Start Menu for a screen full of tiles should in no way affect your happy desktop use (it doesn't affect mine). The taskbar and everything are still where you left it all. You see the Start Screen -once- when you log in, and that makes sense, since you're starting... how many emails do I have? What do I want to run? etc

Metro isn't a thing you "turn off". It's an additional application platform that has benefits (and drawbacks, sure) that Win32 doesn't.

Thank you. I don't get why people flip about the new start screen - there's policies to change the logon to go to desktop if they don't want the start screen when they start up. Other than that, the new start menu has exactly the same functionality as the old one - start typing to find something or browse through your programs (which you can now organize yourself on a screen that's 100x bigger than the original one). What's to not like?

What became more clear in this demo that you hadn't seen before?

For me, using the dev preview each day as my only OS, on a 28" desktop monitor, I'm quite comfortable with Windows 8 as a desktop OS. All it takes is learning where to point your mouse when you want to switch between apps, which is really easy.
My main complaint is just the lack of context menus in favor of the app bar

burnblue said,

Not that much different, in anything I saw here

Then you havent really tried using developers preview version with mouse. It's a lot better.

random_ said,

Then you havent really tried using developers preview version with mouse. It's a lot better.

I have, and I already knew they were going to make start screen mouse movements smoother in beta so I guess I mistook his "a lot better" to mean some highly visible new features beyond what we just saw.

burnblue said,

Not that much different, in anything I saw here

You either aren't running WDP, you're trolling or... both? What's different?

Mouse control in metro UI
Closing the Metro Apps

And those, my friend, are huge.

laserfloyd said,

You either aren't running WDP, you're trolling or... both? What's different?

Mouse control in metro UI
Closing the Metro Apps

And those, my friend, are huge.

I use and like the WDP, and I do not troll. It's simply a matter of miscommunication on what "a lot" and "that much" mean.

mjedi7 said,
I really, really hope metro will be just for Tablets.

I really, really hope you will watch the video and keep comments just for Yourself.

mjedi7 said,
I really, really hope metro will be just for Tablets.
I don't... Why not have it on both.. If you don't want it, don't stay on the metro start...

mjedi7 said,
I really, really hope metro will be just for Tablets.

I am really really sure, that it won't be so.

mjedi7 said,
I really, really hope metro will be just for Tablets.

well, im really not worried.. i think it will be different - and good.
As this guy said, their is no compromise... you will have your standard windows desktop, but at the same time you will have this whole different section that is pretty much a whole different UI.
I have seen convertible tablets, and THAT is where i think w8 will be very effective.

auziez said,

well, im really not worried.. i think it will be different - and good.
As this guy said, their is no compromise... you will have your standard windows desktop, but at the same time you will have this whole different section that is pretty much a whole different UI.
I have seen convertible tablets, and THAT is where i think w8 will be very effective.

problem 1
everytime you start PC, it will start from that giant metro bull**** menu
Problem 2
everytime you click the windows screen, your entire destop will be covered by same useless metro bull**** menu, bookface this, be a tweet about this bla bla bla

this whole interface will like 9 circles of hell for people that care about productivity and corporate/design enviroment.

nekrosoft13 said,

problem 1
everytime you start PC, it will start from that giant metro bull**** menu
Problem 2
everytime you click the windows screen, your entire destop will be covered by same useless metro bull**** menu, bookface this, be a tweet about this bla bla bla

this whole interface will like 9 circles of hell for people that care about productivity and corporate/design enviroment.

1 How often do you reboot?
2 Facebook and Twitter will only be on your Start screen if YOU keep them there. It's yours. Put productivity and corporate apps on it if that's what you want. What you said makes no sense. Is a tile that shows you information without you having to open your corporate app to check it really going to make you less productive? Bull. A tile showing me my email so I don't have to click would be a godsend for productivity

burnblue said,

1 How often do you reboot?
2 Facebook and Twitter will only be on your Start screen if YOU keep them there. It's yours. Put productivity and corporate apps on it if that's what you want. What you said makes no sense. Is a tile that shows you information without you having to open your corporate app to check it really going to make you less productive? Bull. A tile showing me my email so I don't have to click would be a godsend for productivity

no it would not, a giant screen that covers entire monitor would never improve productivity.

nekrosoft13 said,

problem 1
everytime you start PC, it will start from that giant metro bull**** menu
Problem 2
everytime you click the windows screen, your entire destop will be covered by same useless metro bull**** menu, bookface this, be a tweet about this bla bla bla

this whole interface will like 9 circles of hell for people that care about productivity and corporate/design enviroment.


You'll just add the apps you use to the screen... How is that not productive? Like how you add desktop shortcuts to the apps you use the most in Windows 7?

You really don't seem to have thought this through, seeing how irrational your thoughts about this are.

mjedi7 said,
I really, really hope metro will be just for Tablets.

It's for Desktops too. MS want a single unified UI for all platforms that Win8 runs on, the idea is so that you don't need to learn how to use each of your devices and have a consistent and fluid experience across all of them.

I thought you could also scroll through the metro apps with just the mouse wheel? Moving the mouse from side-to-side is going to get old, and quite honestly, frustrating!

Dot Matrix said,
I thought you could also scroll through the metro apps with just the mouse wheel? Moving the mouse from side-to-side is going to get old, and quite honestly, frustrating!

You can scroll with the mouse wheel or move the mouse to the borders. Both are working.

Dot Matrix said,
I thought you could also scroll through the metro apps with just the mouse wheel? Moving the mouse from side-to-side is going to get old, and quite honestly, frustrating!

You can. Plus, how quickly he just moved that doesn't look frustrating at all.

Anthonyd said,

You can scroll with the mouse wheel or move the mouse to the borders. Both are working.

so Metro now scrolls up and down with the mouse-wheel, instead of side to side? side-to-side just doesn't work for me on a desktop with a mouse

Buttus said,

so Metro now scrolls up and down with the mouse-wheel, instead of side to side? side-to-side just doesn't work for me on a desktop with a mouse

Metro scrolls side-to-side, even thought the mouse wheel goes up/down, the screen will scroll side-to-side. I'm glad that's working.

Dot Matrix said,
I thought you could also scroll through the metro apps with just the mouse wheel? Moving the mouse from side-to-side is going to get old, and quite honestly, frustrating!

How to get charm bar if the same (mouse on right edge) thing used to scroll right and show the charmbar?

Dot Matrix said,
I thought you could also scroll through the metro apps with just the mouse wheel? Moving the mouse from side-to-side is going to get old, and quite honestly, frustrating!

In the WDP you can only use touch (which I don't have) or scroll with the slider at the bottom. Trust me, mousing to left/right and using the scroll wheel will be a vast improvement. Those newer versions are looking so nice and they're pre-beta.

laserfloyd said,

In the WDP you can only use touch (which I don't have) or scroll with the slider at the bottom. Trust me, mousing to left/right and using the scroll wheel will be a vast improvement. Those newer versions are looking so nice and they're pre-beta.

Honestly, I'm happy to scroll. To me, it just feels more 'natural' than using a scrollbar or moving the cursor left or right. I honestly can't wait to give the beta a go. It'll have a nice real world test too, as my classes start again at the end of the month.

laserfloyd said,

In the WDP you can only use touch (which I don't have) or scroll with the slider at the bottom. Trust me, mousing to left/right and using the scroll wheel will be a vast improvement. Those newer versions are looking so nice and they're pre-beta.

Honestly, I'm happy to scroll. To me, it just feels more 'natural' than using a scrollbar or moving the cursor left or right. I honestly can't wait to give the beta a go. It'll have a nice real world test too, as my classes start again at the end of the month.

webdev511 said,
I can't wait to put the Beta on my Samsung Series 7 Slate.

Me too sir. Having the dev preview is awesome but we need that beta and more apps. Can't wait!

love the snapping of metro apps and working with the desktop at the same time. I could see that very useful to keep an eye rss feeds, twitter, etc

flexkeyboard said,
love the snapping of metro apps and working with the desktop at the same time. I could see that very useful to keep an eye rss feeds, twitter, etc

True! Have been running Windows 8 Developer Preview for some time, and it's GREAT for rss feeds, weather apps, twitter, socialite etc...

lunarworks said,
The guy doing the presentation sounds like he doesn't buy half the stuff he's saying himself.

He's probably had to do the demo several times in a day.

Metro is looking awesome, I wonder what sort of Apps we will get when the Store is released to hundreds of millions of people. Your going to have an Audience roughly the size of the Apple app store but instead of taking years to get there, they will appear in 1-2 years. Quality apps for Windows 8 are going to go around very well, I just hope that they learn their lessons from the WP7 marketplace to ensure that the best apps aren't bogged down by rubbish apps.