Windows 8 Start menu makers thoughts on the return of the Start button for 8.1

The rumors about Microsoft adding a Start button for the upcoming Windows 8.1 update started flying a few months ago and this past week, Microsoft confirmed that a version of the Start button would indeed be part of its free upgrade to Windows 8. However, the Start button won't actually be a full Start menu but rather will simply take people out of the desktop UI of Windows 8.1 to the Modern UI Start screen. That means the makers of the various third party Windows 8 Start menu programs may still be in business when Windows 8.1 is officially released later this year.

Neowin contacted some of the developers behind the most well known Windows 8 Start menu programs to get their opinions on Microsoft's decision to bring back at least the Start button in Windows 8.1

Brad Wardell - CEO of Stardock (Start8)

It's good to see Microsoft responding to customer feedback. Bringing the start button back is a positive first step. But the main issue is that their start button just takes the user to the Metro Start screen. The reason we created Start8 was because switching from the desktop to a completely different environment to find and launch apps is disorienting and less productive than the Start Menu. So while I'm glad Microsoft has at least put the button back, which should reduce the training costs to migrate, I wish they'd brought back the Start menu with it. In the meantime, I suspect Start8 and ModernMix to continue to be the premiere solutions for Windows users to use Windows 8 as a desktop PC OS.

 

Don Van Oort - CTO of Thinix (RetroUI)

Our opinion is that Windows needs to be a platform, and we think Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 are or will all be excellent platforms. They provide consistency, security and a development platform to support a variety of users, in many different situations. It’s like buying tools, no tool is good for everything, but if you have to pick a single tool, we feel that the Microsoft platform is a great place to start (no pun intended). Conversely, we see fragmentation and control in Android. It’s ironic that a platform built on an open source platform is basically closed because of the totalitarian control placed on the App store by Google. Similarly, iOS is a great platform and Apple has done some excellent things, but developers can’t get in under-the-hood and write low-level code that alters the fundamental behavior of devices. That is a good and bad thing. It is for that reason, that Windows or the Windows ecosystem is so important.

With that in mind, we feel Microsoft made some bold steps and some mis-steps, which we addressed with respect to User experience (Ux) in Windows 8, and they are trying to make adjustments. Since we haven’t seen release builds for Win8.1, we can’t speculate fully, but I think it is safe to say that there will still be a viable ecosystem for vendors who find opportunities and provide solutions for Windows 8.1. At Thinix, we are pushing the envelope in next generation technology development that will further improve the way people use, manage, and experience computers. At Thinix we are focused on building genuinely innovative technology, not worrying about the ‘shiny thing’ of the month. With this in mind, as Windows 8.1 gets closer, we will be looking carefully at it and determining where we add value, how we make it better more reliable and transparent. I would like to thank your team at Neowin, for providing the insight into these things and for providing a framework and ecosystem for healthy conversation.

Alan Masarsky - Senior Marketing Manager of Sweetlabs (Pokki)

We haven't actually tried 8.1 so would be premature for us to say. That said, the changes they've announced sound like a step in the right direction and validate the importance of the desktop for users. It's the desktop where Pokki will continue to try to help, from our Start menu to modern app platform and store.

Ivo Beltchev - Creator of Classic Shell

I still will need to wait to play with it before I can make up my mind.

We would like to thank Brad, Don, Alan and Ivo for offering their opinions for our story

Images via Paul Thurrott, Stardock, Thinix, SweetLabs and Ivo Beltchev

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With any luck this will prevent the absolutely stupid Start Menu hacks from working period. Microsoft should have blocked Start Menu Hacks from working with Windows 8 in the first place.

Totally worthless. Until they stop clinging to the failed "Modern" UI they will continue to bleed customers. Having a bigger button on the screen to access a Start Screen that everyone hates isn't going to change anything.

ok... tell me one thing
i'm looking for an application that i forgot the name of and i can find it in start menu from All Programs-scrolling to the list of applications and BOOM... i got it.
Now try to search that in start menu search in windows 8... All Apps-Scrolling in the files which include both files and applications from directory folder...
Is getting start menu back helping me in any way?????
We all know about the start screen icon on the left and on the right... if someone still didn't get it they should not be using windows at all... Don't throw that start screen menu on my face all the time.

Also every thread turns into a atart menu debate. I want to remind people the main problem in windows 8 is multi tasking and full screen apps is a bigger issue

i don't get it, why if i use or anyone else a classic shell to emulate a start menu put all of you in so big bad mood????
i like, i use
if you don't, go to metro
it is simple
there are a option to everyone

sorry about my english

I still don't understand how the Modern Start Screen keeps me from being productive on my desktop. I see it for about 10 seconds at most, as I check tiles, and launch the app I need. I'm confused how that is a distraction, and keeps me from working.

Are you all fish or something that have ten second attention spans?

To the people complaining: ffs man, you're using Windows 8, created by Microsoft, hate it or love it, you're being pwnt my friends. GG gentlemen.

Please Bring Back The Start Menu. This one optional choice has split people who like Microsoft in two groups that constantly post comments against one another.

classic shell 3rd party app you could right click and change the startmenu/button. how difficult is that?

seems like MS and the MS army around here aren't very concerned or caring for the overall happiness of the users who compute differently.

I think 8.1 is a step in the right direction, but its gaps will still oblige me to use Start8 and ModernMix.

Like a lot of people, I don't start with apps. I normally start with documents. That's why I want to boot straight to the desktop and open a document right away. I sure don't want to revert to my keyboard to find something; to me that harkens back to the days of DOS. Been there; done that; don't want to go back again. So, booting straight to the desktop will be an improvement.

Nevertheless, I still like using the Start Menu for the programs I only rarely use. Rather than scrolling right and left, trying to distinguish between dozens and perhaps hundreds of tiles that all look the same, going straight to an alphabetically arranged fold out menu is the most efficient and elegant solution for me. I don't clutter up my desktop or taskbar with rarely used programs, and I don't have to go back to the DOS keyboard. As a result, I still need Start8 for the Win7 Start Menu.

Finally, I usually have 4-8 windows at the same time, so I want all of my programs windowed or minimized to to a visible taskbar, including a small number of new Modern apps (like Radio App). Therefore, ModernMix remains essential, as it allows me to use ALL my apps on the desktop in the shape and size I prefer. Moreover, snapping in a vertical manner makes no sense, since most Modern apps are horizontal in nature. ModernMix is essential to properly shape the window of a Modern app.

Thus, I'll still need Stardock's help in making my computer conform to the way I prefer to do my computing. If the Modern UI floats your boat, great. But for me, change doesn't not always equal progress, and choice is the essence of why I'm (still) with Windows.

The tablet FAD is starting to slow and a start button / menu system is needed for Desktop / laptop / server systems . Keep your Surface tablet crap on the surface .

Microsoft : ok we learned our lesson our mistake how about a button.

Lol the simple fact is a tablet os had no place on a desktop PC. If Microsoft can not deliver them step the hell aside and let Linux take over . I like win8 but refuse to ever use it as a touch os . That's stupid and a gimmick. I want a real productive desktop os

Got any evidence for that "tablet FAD is starting to slow" crap? I think you'll probably find that its PC and Laptop shipments that are doing the slowing.

TCLN Ryster said,
Got any evidence for that "tablet FAD is starting to slow" crap? I think you'll probably find that its PC and Laptop shipments that are doing the slowing.

Just look at surface sales for your proof .

its not "Start Button" its "Metro Button".
Clicking it would bring forth a 'Screen',
which that screen can not called 'Start Screen' anymore
as you no longer 'Start' with that screen,
rather that screen should dubed as 'Task Screen'.

Torolol said,

I know it's wrong to say anything before it rtms, but I call it the "incorrectly-placed band-aid button".

If the return of the button was really because of end users' demand/complaints, then I don't think a "start screen button" is what end users really want (other than those who use W8 via rdp).

As a 28 year old Power User. I would argue that the Vista/7 Start Panel was actually unneeded. I for one never have to search for a file or program. I know exactly where everything is. For me, the Start Menu (as in the 95 style start menu) is the fastest and most efficient UI for launching programs.

My PC is setup in such a way that it has been adapted to work for me. Not how someone considers it should work. In the past this meant different shells, different launchers like objectdock or RK launcher. But always as the novelty wore off I would find my self back using the same start menu that has served me well. I realize that my choices would serve a very minority of people but I also know in this I am not alone.

Yes in today's useage most general end users will open the start panel or start screen and start typing. But for someone who has a firm grasp of windows internals and the UI inside and out the Start Screen and even the Start Panel are not as efficient.

This comes from performing the same action for all those years to accomplish a simple goal. Launching something. For our minority of Power Users these things become automatic and we do not think about them as we have done it this way for years. It would be argued this could be analogous of a car manufacturer deciding to redesign the accelerator peddle of a car into a force feedback button on the steering wheel. This may appeal to more masses that say use controllers for driving games. Providing the same type of "interface" for acceleration of a car. But those who have driven for years and years would find this change very jarring and would have significant issues adapting because pressing an accelerator peddle has become automatic for them.

The three launcher interfaces used in Windows from Win95 on (not counting progman) the Start Menu, Start Panel, and Start Screen all work in a similar way while allowing the user to accomplish basically the same goal. However, these are geared twords different people.

Removal of the Start Menu from Windows 7 which only uses the Start Panel was a bit of a jarring experience for us but not as drastic as the removal of the Start Panel in favor of the Start Screen in Windows 8 was. Unlike the previous situation we did not even get time where we had both. Consider when the shell was changed to explorer for Windows 95 and NT 4 we still had progman and winfile and we had these up till XP SP1 when those were turned into explorer stubs. But they were there till then.

So while the change isn't necessarily wrong. The fact we had no options until the 3rd party programs updated/created for us to use was an even bigger mistake than introducing the new way of doing something.

I concur.

With win7, we had some users who did not like Windows 7's super bar (icon, no title) initially.
But we had the option to re-enable that, which made transition so much easier:

We had NO complaints from users; and the users had all the time in the world to adjust to the new task bar, while still enjoying the new additions that came with the new os.

When we did the trial run with Windows 8, we HAD to parrot the phrase "The start screen is JUST LIKE the start menu" (not unlike the win8 fanboys around here).
But that's all we could say, as there wasn't a built-in option for us to toggle.
Instead of saying "There's an option for that!", all we could say was "You're using it wrong. Do it like this instead".

We went from being able to solve a user's agitation/problem, to having to retrain/pushing the responsibility/(respectfully) blame the user instead.

Today, our entire organisation (and its subsidiaries) is still running Windows 7, per our (IT department's) recommendation.

I DON'T WANT THE START MENU BACK !
And I'm tired of the people who can't think in a global envisioning and cry about start menu.
Windows 8.1 is a mistake. The desktop is leaving on computing. The place where MS putted it, as a function of a more global environment is the best l, and elegant way to continue to use it. Why the hell they permit to use same wallpapers between desktop and start screen. It will be confusing, it will does believe there can be a taskbar on the start screen although it's absolutely not same environment. It's a hierarchy information design question. It will be confusing for some people and transition to post desktop will be hard.
Microsoft should have been more confident into their choice and keep is own vision. People are not designer. It should be nice they stop trying to be (or doing it well). I'm sure lot of consumers who asks for bring back old fashioned will switch to other mobile OS when they will be tired of Windows7 and desktop era. Why are they trying to keep us in it. I don't want an old windows7 tired desktop and an Android device, I want Metro and Windows8, I want a Microsoft solution for a new era.

Wireless wookie said,
I DON'T WANT THE START MENU BACK !

Then don't bloody use it. Geez, MS can't cop a break from anyone.
Give people the option, that's all many are asking for. Have a simple choice at pre-logon, you choose what you want. No problem.
How hard can it be?

The return of the Start button in 8.1 is a step in the right direction, but I'm not sure about other changes. Leaked builds seemed awfully incomplete and Modern UI overhaul doesn't seem well thought to me. I still hope for the common sense to return; multi-level PC Settings duplicated with Control Panel, combined with lot of non-unified search places and obscure UI bits mean even harder leaning curve which many people won't afford, so let's hope for the best.

Windows 7 start menu has its shortcomings but is wonderful UI bit which is complex on the inside but is simple to use; you can do almost anything on your PC from the start menu:
- launch programs you use
- open documents you edited
- browse and interact with file system
- get to settings without digging complex UIs

You don't have to fight with it, you don't see it when you don't want it, you don't have to search when you know what you're looking for. You can configure it for your needs very quickly.

There should be a StartIsBack version for Windows 8.1.

Many people used the start menu for this : open it > start typing.
Many people currently use the start screen like this: open it > start typing.

Different 'software', same usage. Nothing has changed really....

Shadowzz said,
Many people used the start menu for this : open it > start typing.
Many people currently use the start screen like this: open it > start typing.

Different 'software', same usage. Nothing has changed really....


I'd love to see where you based this information from.

Shadowzz said,
Many people used the start menu for this : open it > start typing.
Many people currently use the start screen like this: open it > start typing.

Different 'software', same usage. Nothing has changed really....

On the Mac OS:
Command + Space > start typing.

Different 'software', same usage. Nothing has changed really....

But I still prefer Windows 7 > Mac OS > Windows 8.
And while it won't make much of a difference, I'll continue to vote with my (and my company's) wallet.

MS will probably, eventually, give users the option to have the standard setup and a 'classic' setup. Default will be the new way but for old schoolers and enterprise there needs to be a way to go back to a familiar look while still maintaining all the improvements that Windows 8 brings.

That's the thing that bugs me. 8 just runs better but people can't get past a UI change and just label it as junk even BEFORE they try it.

MS dropped 'classic' when pushing Windows 95 as the future of computing. Or well, the Win3.11 menu bar saw its come back in Windows 8 as the charms bar.

I dont get the hatred either, it takes a whole minute or 2 (depending on your connection) to change Windows 8 back identically to Windows 7.
Instead of crying rivers on the internet, these people should just download a shell.
But its more important and fun to blast your opinion over the internet, often even spreading FUD, just to make sure other people will fit your opinion.

Grow up people, either use it OOTB, or customize it to suit your needs. Noone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to use Modern apps.

Why should a majority of users have to download a shell or customize Windows-8 to suit their needs, when MS should have avoided that who mess and given users the UI that best suits their needs? Tablet use and laptop/desktop use are very different, so why not provide a UI was optimized for each? It is called "choice."

The choice for MS is very easy--give users what they want/need or what MS thinks users want. While doing that, gives users value for their money and make it easy to upgrade, if users want to do so. Regrettably, MS's arrogance has been getting in their way. Review what GM tried to do with rectangular headlights or Sony with BetaMax--they may have "won" in the short run, but "lost big time" in the long run.

Oh they can win, by offering users the choice to use the start screen or the start menu. Its really that simple and it certainly isn't going to junk up the Windows codebase. Microsoft's problem is they can't seem to grasp the concept of "choice". They like to brag about all of the "telemetry" they have, which justifies the removal of certain features, based upon usage. I say give users a choice, and make the telemetry data public so we can in fact see that no one is using one pr the other.

Perhaps the start menu is outdated and needs replaced, but that doesn't mean Modern UI is the answer.

If you give users a choice - most of them will stick with the old crap and we would still produce 16bit programs in the terminal

Raa said,
If that's what you really think, you need to step outside more, Adrian.

Sorry - it is not what i think - it is what humans do. they dont adept to change unless its necessary

-adrian- said,

Sorry - it is not what i think - it is what humans do. they dont adept to change unless its necessary

Was it necessary to adapt to the Windows 95 interface? The new Explorer interface in Vista? The Windows 7 taskbar?

Now that I can actually use Windows 8 and got my driver issues sorted, I can't imagine going back to the start menu, the start screen is incredibly intuitive for me, and the added features of the apps make it worth keeping, in my opinion at least.

I would buy Start8 but being that my next computer will be a tablet, I don't know if I have use for it.

BTW, Mary Jo Foley said on Windows Weekly that some are already saying they'll hack Windows 8 so that it doesn't show the returned Start button.

Microsoft just can't win.

they can't win because they can't get it together. they similar to trying to ram a round peg through a square hole. not everyone is buying into MS's vision.

Windows 8 is just their vision. doesn't necessarily mean it is a successful vision. what will screw MS in the end is corporate adoption. this is where it will make or break MS. they rely on heavy corporate adoption. if they don't buy into windows 8, 8.1.. MS will lose huge market share and corporate customers will migrate elsewhere

I meant Microsoft can't win because while it tries to placate one group, another will cry out about the change.

But, yes, Windows 8's short comings is Microsoft's -- well, Sinofsky's -- fault. It tried to shoe horn a tablet OS into desktops and laptops.

I never understood that argument. How is a fullsize start screen less productive then a tiny startmenu? You can't use the rest of the screen when you have the startmenu open anyway.

True enough the startscreen made some poor design choices that made it slightly harder to search for something. They will fix this in 8.1.

But the fact that the startmen is now fullscreen doesnt seem like a bad thing to me. Just more room for content. I find it very useful even as the startscreen offers live tiles providing you more information then the icons from the old startmenu.

Some complain that they are only adding a button there, which I agree can be important for some people. But they say the effect of going to the Start Screen is jarring and that's why you need a Start Menu. I"ve never found it so. I know where I'm going when I launch it, find what I need (because its organized) and back in business - which I do use the desktop more than the Metro apps.
Also the effect will be less jarring in 8.1 because you can have the same background on the Start Screen as the desktop. More unifying. That plus the different tile sizes, improved search and Microsoft is making all the right moves, yet retaining their vision and not conforming to people who can't adjust.
Microsoft knew they couldn't keep doing business as usual to succeed.

The last thing these vendors actually want will be for Microsoft to restore a Start menu.

That would kill their business. I hope the possibility of pegging Start8 or similar to the button when on the desktop remains or that the Start screen becomes more satisfactory from the desktop.

At the moment I use the Start screen at boot and as a launcher for Metro, and a Start menu in desktop mode.

Maybe they will request to the EU about adding a screen at install so users have to choose between all the choices of Start Menus out there, since Microsoft maintains a monopoly of Start Screen market share.

/s

I haven't used any of these add-ons on my Windows 8 installs, but I can understand their value to those who find the removal of the Start button/Menu a culture shock. What I see in 8.1 though based on the leaks and official info, its a better compromise. A common ground at least.

I am so tired of the start button cry babies. Move on all ready. Is the start screen perfect, no. It is better then the start menu though.

I believe if the tech bloggers would start supporting it, then the people would get behind it too.

Microsoft is going in a forward direction, technology is changing... fast. I like their direction, and will continue to support them.

MikadoWu said,
I am so tired of the start button cry babies. Move on all ready. Is the start screen perfect, no. It is better then the start menu though.

I believe if the tech bloggers would start supporting it, then the people would get behind it too.

Microsoft is going in a forward direction, technology is changing... fast. I like their direction, and will continue to support them.


The Start Menu is better than the Start screen.

People don't get behind a product because somebody else says it's good, they get behind a product if they find it convenient to use. And CLEARLY, a lot of people don't find the Start Screen as convenient as the Start Menu. It's a matter of user friendliness.

Who says that the Start Screen is the future? In which Bible did you read this?

MikadoWu said,
I am so tired of the start button cry babies. Move on all ready. Is the start screen perfect, no. It is better then the start menu though.

I believe if the tech bloggers would start supporting it, then the people would get behind it too.

Microsoft is going in a forward direction, technology is changing... fast. I like their direction, and will continue to support them.

Im tired of the dont question Dear Leader Microsoft drones.

Change for the sake of change is not innovation , also use some plain sense for a second if the new way is universally popular and 100 million copies of win 8 have been sold then why is MS considering the change instead of sticking to its guns.

Adamodeus said,

People don't get behind a product because somebody else says it's good, they get behind a product if they find it convenient to use. And CLEARLY, a lot of people don't find the Start Screen as convenient as the Start Menu. It's a matter of user friendliness.

Not entirely true. I've talked with some people in my class who said "windows 8 sucks blablabla". But then, when I actually asked them if they have tried it out they confess they haven't.

I am behind the poster on this. Do I think the Start Screen is perfect, No, but at some point everyone is just going to have to face the facts that the Start Menu is dead. Microsoft had been talking about this for a while. No matter how many Neowin posts, blog posts and general rants its not coming back.
Now these addon apps are nice, and for those wanting the menu its great, but in general I think people should just realize that Microsoft has moved on

Its like complaining back in Win95 days of the first Start menu. How thick skulls do some people have? Geez.

Win95 people where crying "CLI IS THE ONLY FORM OF COMPUTING", "IM STICKING WITH WINDOWS 3.11 UNTILL THE TOPMENUBAR COMES BACK"...

Its the same cryfest as 18 years ago, except now the internet is popular, and those who scream the loudest, get heard the best. Most haters either started using Win8 completely biased, or havent even tried using it for more then a day or so.

If you start using a product completely biased, it doesnt matter HOW good the product is, you will hate it.

Can we please grow up people, don't like it. Google this "I DONT LIKE THE WINDOWS 8 START MENU" and tadá.

MikadoWu said,
I am so tired of the start button cry babies. Move on all ready. Is the start screen perfect, no. It is better then the start menu though.

I believe if the tech bloggers would start supporting it, then the people would get behind it too.

Microsoft is going in a forward direction, technology is changing... fast. I like their direction, and will continue to support them.


Insulting people with a different opinion does not add anything to your one, actually quite the contrary.....

There are currently at least two problems with the Start Screen.

1) I takes up my whole screen. There's no need to waste the whole screen if I simply intend to search for an app or a program.

2) The search is horrendously bad and doesn't search across categories. At least they're going to fix this in 8.1.

My way of using Windows since Win 8 has changed. I've pinned more programs to the taskbar, and I'm more often using Win+R+[exe name] instead of Win + [search].

Shadowzz said,
Win95 people where crying "CLI IS THE ONLY FORM OF COMPUTING", "IM STICKING WITH WINDOWS 3.11 UNTILL THE TOPMENUBAR COMES BACK"...

I don't remember that at all. I do remember Windows 95 being a huge success at launch.

exactly. seems like MS fans are like rank and file drones. What happened from the time windows 7 came out till windows 8? there was huge customization's, the love of Aero.. now we have a OS with a UI that would be great for a child's leapster

There's a reason why the OLD windows division head at MS got the ax..

ChrisJ1968 said,
What happened from the time windows 7 came out till windows 8? there was huge customization's, the love of Aero.. now we have a OS with a UI that would be great for a child's leapster

Not a fan of the new theme either... but you do know there's a bunch of custom themes for Windows 8 too yea? You can still customize the hell out of it, including theme, file manager, menus, extensions, even change the shell, etc etc... just like 7. Wonder what happened between 7 and 8 where people started to forget you could do this.

No no no. No no no no no. NO NO NO NO NO NO!

Now, here's your bottle. Go lay down You obviously need a nap.

When you wake up, we'll get your little sister to show you how to use a computer. She didn't have any trouble at all figuring it out.

Shadowzz said,

Win95 people where crying "CLI IS THE ONLY FORM OF COMPUTING", "IM STICKING WITH WINDOWS 3.11 UNTILL THE TOPMENUBAR COMES BACK"...

The irony of that is, they're trying to move that direction in Windows Server (Hint: PowerShell).

Not saying that's a good or bad thing though.

ChrisJ1968 said,
exactly. seems like MS fans are like rank and file drones. What happened from the time windows 7 came out till windows 8? there was huge customization's, the love of Aero.. now we have a OS with a UI that would be great for a child's leapster

There's a reason why the OLD windows division head at MS got the ax..

If anything, Windows 8 is more customizable than Windows 7.

fobban said,
There are currently at least two problems with the Start Screen.

1) I takes up my whole screen. There's no need to waste the whole screen if I simply intend to search for an app or a program.

2) The search is horrendously bad and doesn't search across categories. At least they're going to fix this in 8.1.

My way of using Windows since Win 8 has changed. I've pinned more programs to the taskbar, and I'm more often using Win+R+[exe name] instead of Win + [search].

Different strokes for different folks, the issues I had with the start menu was,

It doesn't utilise my screen real estate, (I have a huge screen and want it to be utilised to display lots of programs that I've pinned, the start menu could only go vertically, and it was just a long list, I couldn't organise into categories.

you mean like the tray and clock? there is a start button on every charm bar - should be enough for the people who dont have a windows button on their keyboard

Here we go again. I agree with them. The start button without the start menu is just a total waste of space.

Seems the execs at Microsoft who told the programmers to bring it back, have been ignored again.

Won't be long before we see many more heads rolling in the Windows Management and Development teams.

I dont't really understand why it is less waste of space if there were the startmenu. You actually never need a icon there (it is always a button).

Mohitster said,
Waste of Space? LOL.. How many pixels of your huge Super HD screens does a small Start button takes?

Why should it take any? Why do I need to see a Windows logo at all times? I know I'm using Windows.

well, you bring up an interesting point. why does the icon have to be windows?why not a frog, cat or whatever you want? why does this OS have to make you all look like the lined up robots in irobot? seems that the idea of customizing the desktop or UI experience just fell of the face of the earth. themes in windows 8 are simple wallpapers this time around.

dvb2000 said,
Here we go again. I agree with them. The start button without the start menu is just a total waste of space.

I welcome the addition, im sure people who use remote desktop will do... try hitting invisible areas of the screen over remote desktop. It gets annoying fast.

ChrisJ1968 said,
well, you bring up an interesting point. why does the icon have to be windows?why not a frog, cat or whatever you want? why does this OS have to make you all look like the lined up robots in irobot? seems that the idea of customizing the desktop or UI experience just fell of the face of the earth. themes in windows 8 are simple wallpapers this time around.

You realize nobody gives a **** about that level of customization? A wallpaper and MAYBE changing the window border color is the only thing anyone ever changes on their computer.

mrp04 said,

You realize nobody gives a **** about that level of customization? A wallpaper and MAYBE changing the window border color is the only thing anyone ever changes on their computer.


I cannot see how you are everyone. Please, read off everyone single persons name that you are, and elaborate which name wants customization and which doesn't. I don't believe you that 1 billion people all do not customize...I just don't. What is wrong with options?