Windows 8.1 build 9369 has leaked

Windows 8.1 build 9369 has leaked which is the second copy of Windows 8.1 to make its way to the web, well ahead of Microsoft's expected release in June.

Links are currently available that are of the build 9369 of Windows 8.1 that will be released later this year. As with any leak, we highly caution you from installing the build on your primary machine as these builds are likely not stable and could corrupt any disk you install the files on. 

The last build to leak was 9364, seeing as this is only a small incremental increase from the last leak, we don't expect to see many changes in this build. With that said, Microsoft could introduce a new feature with each new build so there may be small changes hidden within this copy of Windows 8.1

Microsoft is expected to release a preview build of the platform in late June as part of its upcoming BUILD conference with the RTM release coming sometime in the late summer season.

As standard practice for Neowin, we will not link to the locations that contain the leaked builds. 

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So is this the Windows 98 second edition "update" to Windows 8?

Does someone has a comparison broken down from Win8 to Win8.1?

Only thing I'm excited for in this release is the new ways of snapping and the lower resolution requirement for it. I was about to buy a new device because my 1280x800 HP tm2 convertible tablet couldn't multitask in the Modern environment (trying to get away from using the desktop). Hope it stays that way then 8.1 RTMs.

My conclusion of Windows 8 Modern UI in contrast to the desktop app. 'Starting all over again, is gonna be tough, so tough , but can't make it'.

Seems to be getting better and better, well almost usable anyways.
Almost thinking of installing my copy of VMware Workstation and giving this 8.1 a try.
Have always had a copy of Win 8 Enterprise, but figured why try it virtually, I know it sucks, so never bothered.
It's going to have to be absolutely perfect before I overwrite my Win 7, that's for sure.

A general tip, when posting screenshots of new things, it's best to do it before you start customising it the way you like it, otherwise it gives off false impressions that this is the way it will be in the new version*.

Case in point, the taskbar has small icons and no date under the clock. I incorrectly assumed these were the new defaults introduced by Microsoft, but other screenshots revealed that it's not, it's just the user's customisation.

*Yes I'm aware Neowin has just nicked the screenshot off some other site that had this done to it, but it's still something to be weary of,

Edited by Ideas Man, Apr 16 2013, 10:08pm :

And nothing of value was gained....

This really sucks. Every version of Windows that has had leaks, I have jumped on the first copy I could find and install. I wouldn't install Win 8 if you paid me.

From another site...

* Those using a mouse can now access the Apps List, there is a button (which is rather annoyingly places) at the bottom of the screen. Clicking it will open the Apps List, clicking it again will close it. This further confirms better mouse support in Windows 8.1

*The SkyDrive app, or as it's now called, the Files app. It allows browsing through the file system and your SkyDrive cloud. This app is practically two apps in one, being both a file system explorer and SkyDrive app. However the app is still rather basic, and is no replacement for the File Explorer on the desktop.

* You can now sync more settings from the PC setting app. Syncing now includes Start Screen layout, Browser settings, mouse settings, file explorer settings, the lot! These features we're spotted in 9364 via regedit, so this isn't really new, however the options in PC Settings are.

Microsoft, just listen, just listen to me, STOP!

Put the dan-g Start menu back. You can tell the enthusiast to disable through a Control Panel applet if they like how Windows 8 works now. But its obvious the majority of the 1.2 billion Windows users don't.

Mr. Dee said,
Microsoft, just listen, just listen to me, STOP!

Put the dan-g Start menu back. You can tell the enthusiast to disable through a Control Panel applet if they like how Windows 8 works now. But its obvious the majority of the 1.2 billion Windows users don't.

Maybe if you spent a fraction of the time you spend bashing the product, actually using it, you may find your point holds very little water.

spudtrooper said,

Maybe if you spent a fraction of the time you spend bashing the product, actually using it, you may find your point holds very little water.
How do you know he hasn't?

I have been using Windows 8 since the beta, I know how to use it. In fact, I am not your typical average Windows user. I am system administrator with over 10 years experience, been a private beta for Windows when you were in your mothers fallopian tube. I have also been a Microsoft MVP for the past 5 years. So, trust me, I know Windows.

Mr. Dee said,
I have been using Windows 8 since the beta, I know how to use it. In fact, I am not your typical average Windows user. I am system administrator with over 10 years experience, been a private beta for Windows when you were in your mothers fallopian tube. I have also been a Microsoft MVP for the past 5 years. So, trust me, I know Windows.

I am pretty sure that there are people who have used Windows for more than 10 years.

Your comprehension skills are weak, when I said sys admin with 10 years experience, I am referring to my IT background supporting Windows. Since you wanted me to spell that out for you. My background with Windows goes back as far as Windows NT 3x which is what my dad used at work and got the machine which was replaced with Windows 95 machine at work by his company. My exposure to the platform goes as far back as Windows 3.0, but was more occasional use, since we couldn't afford a PC. So overvall, I have been using Windows for nearly 20 years.

Mr. Dee said,
Microsoft, just listen, just listen to me, STOP!

Put the dan-g Start menu back. You can tell the enthusiast to disable through a Control Panel applet if they like how Windows 8 works now. But its obvious the majority of the 1.2 billion Windows users don't.

I am writing this reply from a Samsung Chromebook, Imagine how ****ed is a Microsoft fan can be to switch to Chromebook and also instal Ubuntu in the home machine in a VM?

I am using Windows since 3.0 and NT 3.51 (still have it, the disks)

I work as a C# developer, we write for Microsoft .NET and we are impressed by the latest Google Technologies, every developer I know started considering Google next to .NET, this is how popular Microsoft is after Windows 8

Sooo stupid, just keep the start button, menu, and Glass as registry options, and change everything else, and everyone will be happy, no? then use it yourself, the world will look at alternatives.

Mr. Dee said,
Microsoft, just listen, just listen to me, STOP!

Put the dan-g Start menu back. You can tell the enthusiast to disable through a Control Panel applet if they like how Windows 8 works now. But its obvious the majority of the 1.2 billion Windows users don't.


what would be the advantage of buying windows 8 instead of using win7 with a startmenu back?

ACTIONpack said,
If anyone going to download this and you go to html5test.com and tell me what's the score of IE11 gets! THANKS!

Oh! me wants the samey!

I don't think Microsoft would be that arrogant and greedy to charge for something that's really just an update, or are they? I think the 1 in 8.1 means service pack 1, which makes sense now!

TurboShrimp said,
Pay for service pack ahahahahahahahahahahahshahahahahahahahaha. NO

well it's not a service pack it's a feature pack(which includes service pack) but I agree for not paying for this because microsoft shipped unfinished version of windows at first place, I mean windows 8 is faster but speed isn't everything, windows 8 lacks many basic features I like start screen but I don't like metro apps they are just too basic and not worth using.

lctb51 said,
I don't think Microsoft would be that arrogant and greedy to charge for something that's really just an update, or are they? I think the 1 in 8.1 means service pack 1, which makes sense now!

Just an update? They are changing a good bit. If they do charge, they would be aligning themselves with OS X 10.x updates.

Not a problem, but they would have to make it cheaper.

What did you really think 8.1 was??? Its a freaking update! Reports actually state it will be free. Microsoft is Microsoft, they are not trying to copy apple's way of doing things, or maybe they are. It would be a epic failures if ms charged for a small update!

sat2012 said,

well it's not a service pack it's a feature pack(which includes service pack) but I agree for not paying for this because microsoft shipped unfinished version of windows at first place, I mean windows 8 is faster but speed isn't everything, windows 8 lacks many basic features I like start screen but I don't like metro apps they are just too basic and not worth using.


ah well its mostly like those games that have season passes and such. Maybe microsoft is doing the same now, release a windows that isn't a full 100% finished and then release a service pack which will allow you to make full use of your windows.

So much more sense.

1- Found on Internet and downloaded
2- Install in VM
3- Started, had a look there is nothing new, there is nothing exciting, the Start button is not back, the glass interface is not there, etc.

4- Deleted the VM

john.smith_2084 said,
1- Found on Internet and downloaded
2- Install in VM
3- Started, had a look there is nothing new, there is nothing exciting, the Start button is not back, the glass interface is not there, etc.

4- Deleted the VM

Not sure why you believe they would bring the startmenu back, the rumours are just that, rumours. It wouldn't make any sense to bring it back, the startscreen is better and is also better suited for the other formfactors Windows 8 is designed for.

I

Sszecret said,

He said start button, not start menu.

And pressing the start button in Windows 7 brings up... The start menu ! Surely he doesn't only miss the start button, as it isn't gone in Windows 8, it is just hidden. If you not believe me, try it yourself, move the mouse to the lower left corner.

sjaak327 said,

And pressing the start button in Windows 7 brings up... The start menu ! Surely he doesn't only miss the start button, as it isn't gone in Windows 8, it is just hidden. If you not believe me, try it yourself, move the mouse to the lower left corner.

I'm guessing he is referring to the start button as a visual clue for accessing the Start Screen. That is, a way that is more discoverable for the average user.

sjaak327 said,

And pressing the start button in Windows 7 brings up... The start menu ! Surely he doesn't only miss the start button, as it isn't gone in Windows 8, it is just hidden. If you not believe me, try it yourself, move the mouse to the lower left corner.

In the developer previews of Windows 8 there was a start button that took you to the start screen. He's referring to them bringing back that button (hence why he used the term start button) and not the start menu

lctb51 said,
I hope windows 8.1 is free!! Godforbid they charged for it, what a disaster that be!

Free? Microsoft is a business, not a charity. Get a job and pay for it.

lctb51 said,
I hope windows 8.1 is free!! Godforbid they charged for it, what a disaster that be!

phone call activation? ;-)

MajinDark said,

Free? Microsoft is a business, not a charity. Get a job and pay for it.

Windows 8.1 will most likely be a free update, because who would pay for something that's really just an update? The 1 in 8.1 possibly means service pack 1. I don't think its necessary to be rude and hostile to others by saying "Get a job and pay for it".

MajinDark said,

Free? Microsoft is a business, not a charity. Get a job and pay for it.

I think he's talking about the update, not the whole OS.

MajinDark said,

Free? Microsoft is a business, not a charity. Get a job and pay for it.

BTW Because bill gates is the founder of Microsoft and does alot of charity related work, Microsoft is in someways a charity smh!

lctb51 said,
I hope windows 8.1 is free!! Godforbid they charged for it, what a disaster that be!

This comment has been made in every single Windows Blue thread. It's right up there with "Still no Start button?"

Joshie said,

This comment has been made in every single Windows Blue thread. It's right up there with "Still no Start button?"

Uh, no. Windows 8.1 is just an update, therefore it will most likely be free. Theres so much hostlity here, its unbearable! Microsoft isn't that arrogant and greedy to charge for an update or are they?

Actually, I'm surprised that the icons STILL haven't been updated. I guess I shouldn't be. Microsoft has always been very half-hearted when it comes to keeping their icons up to date with the operating system... there are still some Win 95 era icons sprinkled throughout Win 7.

Windows Nashville said,
Actually, I'm surprised that the icons STILL haven't been updated. I guess I shouldn't be. Microsoft has always been very half-hearted when it comes to keeping their icons up to date with the operating system... there are still some Win 95 era icons sprinkled throughout Win 7.

They should change icons, those icons are from windows vista, I mean they are 7 years old. I admit creating compelling icons can be difficult task but is it harder than writing the code?

I agree, i've been saying this for years. In Windows 8 theres icons from XP, Vista, 7 and possibly Windows 95 and 98. All with totally different styles from each OS.

It's such a mess. it's ridiculous because updating the icons is the easiest thing to do.

I don't care about the Start Menu or booting to desktop, those complaints are retarded stuff by cave men who can't adapt, and the first thing you do on the desktop is open a program, so going straight to Start screen (thats made for opening programs) saves a click anyway!

RiverRaid said
Still no start button? no thanks then
It's one thing to be annoyed that they didn't put it there, but to not use an OS just because of that, is stupid imo.

dtourond said,
It's one thing to be annoyed that they didn't put it there, but to not use an OS just because of that, is stupid imo.

I couldn't agree more, especially since adding in a Start Menu is simple and free.

dtourond said,
It's one thing to be annoyed that they didn't put it there, but to not use an OS just because of that, is stupid imo.

The decision of MS to not to add the start button is stupid or arrogant (or both)

dtourond said,
It's one thing to be annoyed that they didn't put it there, but to not use an OS just because of that, is stupid imo.

its not just the lack of the start button that I'm not willing to use windows 8, there are other things too that I didnt like in windows 8, but the start button is important to have and its been there since the first windows so I don't see a good reason to remove it

DeaconFrost88 said,

I couldn't agree more, especially since adding in a Start Menu is simple and free.

I'm not willing to add a separate process running in the background using up CPU and RAM resources for the start button that should have been there in the first place

dtourond said,
It's one thing to be annoyed that they didn't put it there, but to not use an OS just because of that, is stupid imo.

800 million Windows 7 users say no, 430 million Windows XP users say no. So you are in a small majority that is considered as the stupid batch of the Windows family. Sorry, but 1.2 billion Windows user have real work to do.

RiverRaid said,

I'm not willing to add a separate process running in the background using up CPU and RAM resources for the start button that should have been there in the first place

It's still there... just hidden.

Unless you seriously don't know the difference between a button and a menu? If what you want is a start menu, stop telling everyone you want a start button. Know what you're asking for.

RiverRaid said,

its not just the lack of the start button that I'm not willing to use windows 8, there are other things too that I didnt like in windows 8, but the start button is important to have and its been there since the first windows so I don't see a good reason to remove it

Windows 1.0 didn't have a start button, neither did 2 or 3 for that matter.

Mr. Dee said,

800 million Windows 7 users say no, 430 million Windows XP users say no. So you are in a small majority that is considered as the stupid batch of the Windows family. Sorry, but 1.2 billion Windows user have real work to do.

I am a server admin running windows 8 on my desktop. I have hit the start key 3 times today (been here 8 hours) and I did like I would in win 7 -- hit start then started typing mstsc /admin twice and mmc once.

rfirth said,

It's still there... just hidden.

Unless you seriously don't know the difference between a button and a menu? If what you want is a start menu, stop telling everyone you want a start button. Know what you're asking for.

I know its on the start screen, but obviously you are not smart enough to know that I'm referring to the desktop view which is what everyone is mostly familiar with

Mr. Dee said
800 million Windows 7 users say no, 430 million Windows XP users say no. So you are in a small majority that is considered as the stupid batch of the Windows family. Sorry, but 1.2 billion Windows user have real work to do.
That still doesn't change how I think about Windows 8. If people aren't willing to use it just because they feel that it's not better in any way than the previous versions of Windows (even though it is), then that's their problem.

I guess I'm one of the few people that have this rare ability to learn new things.

Tell that to the Enterprises where Microsoft makes real money on volume license contracts with SA. They dictate their upgrade paths. Based on figures, the majority of enterprises are on Windows 7 while they rest are still running Windows XP and are expected to migrate mostly to Windows XP. Microsoft can't bad mouth them either.

Hey Server admin help me figure something out...

What keeps me using a start button is that I type "Windows Update" in the start button and it launches windows update. If I type that by pressing start I have to navigate down to settings, which adds a step - then I must press windows update, wait till it is done checking, and then press on view updates to be directed to the initial windows update screen I could get to with a few keystrokes.

Seriously how do you deal with situations like that - I wouldn't mind not using a start button if it didn't needlessly waste my time.

NyaR said,
Hey Server admin help me figure something out...

What keeps me using a start button is that I type "Windows Update" in the start button and it launches windows update. If I type that by pressing start I have to navigate down to settings, which adds a step - then I must press windows update, wait till it is done checking, and then press on view updates to be directed to the initial windows update screen I could get to with a few keystrokes.

Seriously how do you deal with situations like that - I wouldn't mind not using a start button if it didn't needlessly waste my time.


Try windows button and W and type update. also it will be showing in windowsbutton and typing update from version 8.1
But i am glad to tell you that updates will be installed automatically without looking for them. Just if some admin out there likes the updates not being tested prior install

That was just an example, to get to sound settings or screen resolution I must still click over to the Settings page, which means I must take my hand of the keyboard and put it on the mouse or press down down enter. A significantly less fluent method than typing the first few letters and pressing enter.

Agreed. No Start button, no Start Menu, no default to desktop. I have serious work to do on my desktop, so I'll stick with Windows-7. Let those with tablets play and enjoy it.

RiverRaid said,

I'm not willing to add a separate process running in the background using up CPU and RAM resources for the start button that should have been there in the first place

That is an extremely silly argument, especially in this day and age! Even low -end machines nowadays are coming with AT LEAST 2 GB RAM, which is MORE than enough to handle the one odd extra process created by these Start menu apps.

TsarNikky said
Agreed. No Start button, no Start Menu, no default to desktop. I have serious work to do on my desktop, so I'll stick with Windows-7. Let those with tablets play and enjoy it.
Or you could just pin all of your apps to the Start Screen so that you can launch 'em all right from there.

The Dark Knight said
That is an extremely silly argument, especially in this day and age! Even low -end machines nowadays are coming with AT LEAST 2 GB RAM, which is MORE than enough to handle the one odd extra process created by these Start menu apps.
He makes it sound like that one process is going to kill the machine.

I expect this to be very little different from the first one. If this was a 937x or 938x build it would be more interesting.

GP007 said,
I expect this to be very little different from the first one. If this was a 937x or 938x build it would be more interesting.
Buildnumber don't say anything about changes. I mean, the startmenu was removed in one build on another, but it only level up with 1. Windows 8 RC was build 8400 and RTM was 9200, except the new desktop interface, nothing changed.

actually there were a few new features from RC -> RTM, besides the new desktop and sound themes and Start screen backgrounds -

1. Added "Open file location" to Files search charm category result commands
2. When doing a search through the Search charm with touch, the touch keyboard comes up automatically instead of having to tap the search text box
3. Added "View app sizes" option under PC Settings -> General (this one was obviously rushed and poorly designed )

that's just off the top of my head, I think there were a few more I've forgotten.