Windows 8.1 update 2 ('August Update') said to have minor UI changes

Windows 8.1

Later this month, on the 12th to be exact, Microsoft will be releasing an update that is said to be called the "August Update"; as many of you who have been following the rumors know, it was previously referred to as Update 2.

We have already heard, multiple times, that this next update will be rather small and will likely be ushered in without much noise, but that was not always the plan. According to our good friend, Mary Jo Foley, the mini Start menu was supposed to be included in this update but was pulled several months ago, in favor of including it in Threshold. This makes quite a bit of sense as we have heard that Microsoft wants to move on from the current Windows release to make Threshold feel more like Windows 7, with just the right amount of Windows 8.1 tossed in.

The idea is that if they can make Windows 9 feel more like Windows 7/XP, it will make the transition easier for legacy users but they, by no means, want to do away with Modern apps. The apps will live on but will also be able to run on the desktop in a window.

The update is said to bring various UI enhancements when it arrives, but they will be minor, so do not expect any sort of massive visual overhaul here. 

As previously said, the update will arrive in twelve days' time, which means we won't have to wait too much longer to hear more about the update as Microsoft is expected to announce details about it some time next week. 

Source: ZDnet

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Well... duh.
The "new" start menu will be one of the biggest selling points of Windows 9 next year, so there is no marketing reason in the world to release it sooner, even though the code is probably already done and tested. ;-)

Want improvements? Pay new money... It's a well known tune.

You do understand Microsoft is in business to make money, correct? Besides, no one makes you upgrade to every new version of Windows, do they?

Need the old Start Menu -> Install Windows 7 or use a 3rd-party one for Windows 8. Problem solved.

My hope is when you change the theme colour to Black the text changes to white on title bars. Right pain in the ass not being able to see the text. Been around since aero drop in Windows 8 testing.

Vester said,
My hope is when you change the theme colour to Black the text changes to white on title bars. Right pain in the ass not being able to see the text. Been around since aero drop in Windows 8 testing.

Hell, just let the user adjust the font colour!

I agree with the changes being held off until Threshold, it seems they have bigger plans that include updates to more areas of the desktop. If these changes hold up, maybe it'll be worthwhile to keep the desktop. I don't know about you guys, but I'm ready to move away from this dead, static, point and click **** that should have been left behind in the early 2000's.

You're trolling right? You do all your computing, ALL of it, in Modern apps, you exclusively use touch-screen(s) and you're advocating everyone should 'leave' anything else behind? None of my desktops are 'dead/static' -they're everything to me, all the time.

Either workstation-computing plays a small part in your life or I am calling BS?

Mugwump00 said,
You're trolling right? You do all your computing, ALL of it, in Modern apps, you exclusively use touch-screen(s) and you're advocating everyone should 'leave' anything else behind? None of my desktops are 'dead/static' -they're everything to me, all the time.

Either workstation-computing plays a small part in your life or I am calling BS?

You're misunderstanding me. The desktop of the 90's was dull. When you powered up a desktop, and looked at it, what did it have? An grid of static icons, maybe a stretched out, and distorted wallpaper, and that's about it. Pretty "exciting", right? Even the Windows 7 desktop makes me yawn most days. There just isn't anything inspiring about it.

Each time I boot into the Start Screen on Windows 8, it's a new experience. It's nice to finally have an OS that "feels" alive. It feels more personal, and creates a more dynamic UX that makes me excited to use my machines again. It's nice having live tiles aggregate personalized updates that make it feel as if the OS is finally working for me.

That's the UX I want. That's the UX I want to see more of. If Microsoft can bring that to the desktop, and transform it into a Modern experience, than it maybe worth while to keep it.

Dot Matrix said,

You're misunderstanding me. The desktop of the 90's was dull. When you powered up a desktop, and looked at it, what did it have? An grid of static icons, maybe a stretched out, and distorted wallpaper, and that's about it. Pretty "exciting", right? Even the Windows 7 desktop makes me yawn most days. There just isn't anything inspiring about it.

Each time I boot into the Start Screen on Windows 8, it's a new experience. It's nice to finally have an OS that "feels" alive. It feels more personal, and creates a more dynamic UX that makes me excited to use my machines again. It's nice having live tiles aggregate personalized updates that make it feel as if the OS is finally working for me.

That's the UX I want. That's the UX I want to see more of. If Microsoft can bring that to the desktop, and transform it into a Modern experience, than it maybe worth while to keep it.

As you would say .... I like point and click ###### better than Metro touch screen UI, your point?

Dot Matrix said,

...nice having live tiles aggregate personalized updates that make it feel as if the OS is finally working for me.

Well yes then, we're in violent agreement! I recall how inspiring the idea of the Longhorn combined horizontal taskbar/gadget bar was. I thought desktop gadgets were a much better thing than MS eventually claimed when they were terminated and hopefully we'll enjoy seeing these things return based on the live-tile platform.

Mugwump00 said,

Well yes then, we're in violent agreement! I recall how inspiring the idea of the Longhorn combined horizontal taskbar/gadget bar was. I thought desktop gadgets were a much better thing than MS eventually claimed when they were terminated and hopefully we'll enjoy seeing these things return based on the live-tile platform.

We should, if the interactive live tiles play out into Threshold.

Right on. There is a whole world out there who hasn't gotten lost in the "rapture of touch-centric UIs" and who find the traditional desktop perfectly suitable for what they have to do on their desktops and full-size laptops.

I wonder if Microsoft will release an ISO with Update 2 integrated on MSDN\VLSC\other.

Would help us IT Pros who do WDS\SCCM deployments. I understand I can slipstream the update into ISO myself, but cbf lol.

What would be nice is if MS can ever come up with a consistent version numbering system. They seem to name updates by throwing darts at a board.

Zagadka said,
What would be nice is if MS can ever come up with a consistent version numbering system. They seem to name updates by throwing darts at a board.
How's that? It's just a rumor and beside, Update 1 was originaly called "Windows 8.1 Spring 2014 GDR", "Windows 8.1 August Update" is probably just the codename.

If you're only in Desktop mode, plus a start button tool like Start8 or alike (as I am anyway) it's pretty stable and decent. Just for some apps like radio stations etc I go into Modern UI.
But I guess that's not what Microsoft intended when they introduced this Modern UI

Windows 8 is a horrible mess, I feel sorry for the people who just want to get stuff done and can't. Microsoft has once again had a monumental stuff up with their flagship product. I thought that Vista was a wake up but they did it again, even worse this time.

Maybe MS is finally "getting the message" about the Windows-8 mess and is focusing its energy and brains on making Windows-9 a true success. A second UI disappointment (failure?) would be catastrophic. It would further ensure Windows-7 being around for 2020, albeit on a smaller customer base.

Prepare to be upset. It's simply too much work whose only purpose is to please customers. Not going to happen. Besides, you don't want anyone and MS exposing them. Making it easier/more stable for third parties to replace ALL icons would be acceptable.

I kind of wish they'd incorporate the same "folder tiles" into Windows 8.1 Update 2 that they're putting in Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1...

I also wish they'd make the "Last Active Windows" hack a checkbox on the Taskbar Properties. I always have to download the *.reg file from this site on any Windows box I use because the default behavior of the taskbar for apps with multiple tabs or instances is just brain-dead and completely inconsistent... this simple registry hack turns a usability nightmare into something that functions perfectly and fluidly: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto...active-window-in-windows-7/

Works on Win7 and Win8 just fine. If you've never tried it, try it out (it's easy to reverse). THIS behavior should be the DEFAULT, and there should simply be a checkbox option on the taskbar behavior properties to allow you to select which option you want, for those few that might actually prefer the current inconsistent and obnoxious behavior that requires TWO clicks (and hunting) in order to switch back to a multi-tab/instance application.

Very true, it's ridiculous they've gone through 8.1 and update 1 and still haven't sorted this out. To put in a design flaw is bad enough, to leave it there is criminal....

Angel Blue01 said,
Update 1 still refuses to install on my system, and here comes update 2...

Have you change Users place/partition?

Yes it would be. Maybe in Windows-9? To think, it was such a hot item for Windows-7, only to have MS get rid of it for Windows-8. Retrograde thinking at MS.

TsarNikky said,
Yes it would be. Maybe in Windows-9? To think, it was such a hot item for Windows-7, only to have MS get rid of it for Windows-8. Retrograde thinking at MS.

A hot item for Windows 7? No, it wasn't. In fact many complained about it because "It looked like Vista". Windows 7 garnered gain because of it's speed and stability.

Vista created XP die hard in the western world. Even on tech forums like ZDNet and wired who still write they want XP 2014 edition as the nee kernel.

I bet you Vista caused it and win 7 being improved vista set their minds after they downgraded

I agree with delaying start etc until threshold, it will five it a more distinctive image and could be the kind of thing they got with vista > 7 in that vistas issues were all sorted out after sp2 but it still carried the stigma in none techys. It needs the massive version jump to detach itself from the stigma (mainly wrongly placed imo) of 8, so like vista to 7 we'll see little perf increase (end of line vista) but loads of visual changes to make it the one they held out for. Every hero needs a villain....

For once I agree with you. ;-) Microsoft needs to separate itself from the name "Windows 8". The damage to their image is done. At one point Windows 8 image got so bad that I once heard a lady at the AT&T store say that she doesn't want a Windows 8 Phone because everyone says it's terrible. Regular consumers are tying the two together. In reality, Windows Phone is leaps above its desktop counterpart.

JHBrown said,
For once I agree with you. ;-) Microsoft needs to separate itself from the name "Windows 8". The damage to their image is done. At one point Windows 8 image got so bad that I once heard a lady at the AT&T store say that she doesn't want a Windows 8 Phone because everyone says it's terrible. Regular consumers are tying the two together. In reality, Windows Phone is leaps above its desktop counterpart.

I don't think it's that. I think what it is, is that a small group knows how to game the population with propaganda, oozing lame spam until everyone just goes along with them in order to avoid fighting with them or because they don't know better. See poster above me, really nothing to say,
but have to say it often and loudly. Only place it doesn't work is Windows and Office, because of compatibility concerns. But I bet MS no matter how good a product they make will never really have another similar success because the self-proclaimed "tech-illuminati" have decided against it. (mostly people hurt that not many people want/use Macs or Linux.)

Enron said,
lol, a Windows 8 Phone.
Yup, that's what she said. LOL! It goes to show you that consumers hear, Windows/Phone/8, and will automatically tie them all together.

J_R_G said,

I don't think it's that. I think what it is, is that a small group knows how to game the population with propaganda, oozing lame spam until everyone just goes along with them in order to avoid fighting with them or because they don't know better. See poster above me, really nothing to say,
but have to say it often and loudly. Only place it doesn't work is Windows and Office, because of compatibility concerns. But I bet MS no matter how good a product they make will never really have another similar success because the self-proclaimed "tech-illuminati" have decided against it. (mostly people hurt that not many people want/use Macs or Linux.)


Could I borrow some of the stuff you are smoking?... Top quality indeed....

JHBrown said,
Yup, that's what she said. LOL! It goes to show you that consumers hear, Windows/Phone/8, and will automatically tie them all together.

With few people around to correct her. If the crowd echoes the same line, it becomes an accepted fact.

duddit2 said,
so like vista to 7 we'll see little perf increase (end of line vista) but loads of visual changes to make it the one they held out for.

There were some pretty serious performance increases between Vista & 7, and i'm even noticing that now with the upgrades I've been doing of old Vista installs to 7.
As for visual changes in W8 to 9, well... I hope so!

Raa said,

There were some pretty serious performance increases between Vista & 7, and i'm even noticing that now with the upgrades I've been doing of old Vista installs to 7.
As for visual changes in W8 to 9, well... I hope so!

What I mean is the perceived perf increase was higher than it actually was. Vista perf increased a lot with the sp's and by the end it was a lot better. But the perceived jump is from vista pre sp to 7.

J_R_G said,

I don't think it's that. I think what it is, is that a small group knows how to game the population with propaganda, oozing lame spam until everyone just goes along with them in order to avoid fighting with them or because they don't know better. See poster above me, really nothing to say,
but have to say it often and loudly. Only place it doesn't work is Windows and Office, because of compatibility concerns. But I bet MS no matter how good a product they make will never really have another similar success because the self-proclaimed "tech-illuminati" have decided against it. (mostly people hurt that not many people want/use Macs or Linux.)

Too true. I always laugh when I hear that Microsoft are on the way down. Their market share in Windows and Office have both gone UP over the past couple of years. And let's not even mention Azure.

J_R_G said,

I don't think it's that. I think what it is, is that a small group knows how to game the population with propaganda, oozing lame spam until everyone just goes along with them in order to avoid fighting with them or because they don't know better. See poster above me, really nothing to say,
but have to say it often and loudly. Only place it doesn't work is Windows and Office, because of compatibility concerns. But I bet MS no matter how good a product they make will never really have another similar success because the self-proclaimed "tech-illuminati" have decided against it. (mostly people hurt that not many people want/use Macs or Linux.)

I call BS. Witness Windows Server 2012. Despite the annoying addition of the Start Page, it is probably Microsoft's best operating system, bar none, to date. You don't hear people complaining about the Start Page, though they did initially. The features, performance, and stability of Server 2012 are unparalleled and the minor UI annoyances added didn't even make a blip on the radar. Customers will endure minor annoyances if the value delivered is high enough.

The problem with Windows 8 is it delivered MAJOR annoyance, lack of productivity in some key areas for a LOT of people, and added little or no "perceptible" value to compensate as far as desktop computing goes. In fact with regards to core apps and a the UX, many feel they took leaps and bounds backwards. If MS puts it all together and gets it right, they will be rewarded by consumers as they have in the past which is why they are in position to make such huge blunders on the desktop and phones and still be around to compete.

MorganX said,

I call BS. Witness Windows Server 2012. Despite the annoying addition of the Start Page, it is probably Microsoft's best operating system, bar none, to date. You don't hear people complaining about the Start Page, though they did initially. The features, performance, and stability of Server 2012 are unparalleled and the minor UI annoyances added didn't even make a blip on the radar. Customers will endure minor annoyances if the value delivered is high enough.

The problem with Windows 8 is it delivered MAJOR annoyance, lack of productivity in some key areas for a LOT of people, and added little or no "perceptible" value to compensate as far as desktop computing goes. In fact with regards to core apps and a the UX, many feel they took leaps and bounds backwards. If MS puts it all together and gets it right, they will be rewarded by consumers as they have in the past which is why they are in position to make such huge blunders on the desktop and phones and still be around to compete.

The problem with this, is I have used Windows 8, a lot, because I always hear people complain who seem to talk like I have not. Now I'm always forced to say 'well maybe the person has a special use case that I don't know about' like maybe you use apps while you open an app in the start menu, and Win 8 is a no go. I find such things extremely unlikely, when you open the start menu, if you are any kind of normal user, you are opening an app and getting out, so it makes no difference if it is taking 1/3rd of the screen or the whole screen. Everything else is almost the same, except better under the hood stuff. That's why I conclude it is internet copy-catism. After you pin an app to your start screen, you don't need to wade through apps/dirs you never use, and you open every app in two clicks. The productivity claim is really just a big word to muddy things with and cover up the simple phenomenon of wanting to be one of the cool kids that hates win 8 imo.

But I agree with you on Win 2012 Serv and I think it illustrates my point, it is actually my desktop OS for a while now because of the reasons you listed, but still it's market share is very small outside of places where compatibility are needed (afaik).

Edited by J_R_G, Aug 2 2014, 3:35pm :

J_R_G said,
Now I'm always forced to say 'well maybe the person has a special use case that I don't know about' like maybe you use apps while you open an app in the start menu, and Win 8 is a no go. I find such things extremely unlikely, when you open the start menu, if you are any kind of normal user, you are opening an app and getting out, so it makes no difference if it is taking 1/3rd of the screen or the whole screen. Everything else is almost the same, except better under the hood stuff. That's why I conclude it is internet copy-catism. After you pin an app to your start screen, you don't need to wade through apps/dirs you never use, and you open every app in two clicks. The productivity claim is really just a big word to muddy things with and cover up the simple phenomenon of wanting to be one of the cool kids that hates win 8 imo.

I'm good with 8, and Modern UI though Modern UI is for fun with limited useful apps outside of Package Tracker, Remote Desktop, Mail and Lync for me. I find modern IE somewhat useless in a business/productivity setting. I have experienced and seen many get in an upper left hand corner loop trying to close desktop apps with modern apps open. This has been mostly remedied with 8.1. There are many features the Start Menu had that were more productive than constantly going to File Explorer, and are simply not possible currently. Pinning apps to the task bar is nice for the first few but limited, as is the Start Page itself. There's no way to autostart modern apps, GPO control is limited to non-existent without a ton of unjustifiable work, even now being able to minimize modern apps and use the X is cumbersome IMO. One of the best apps, Modern Remote Desktop is somewhat ruined buy the clumsiness of the start menu/charms and navigating all that with multiple sessions. I really hope that UI gets a makeover as otherwise I prefer the Modern RDP.

There's a ton of flaws that affect productivity depending on the user. It was far worse in 8 RTM which is what most people complained about. With 8.1, I don't hear it so much, there's just nothing compelling in 8.1 for most people and there's really no killer Modern apps for the desktop.

I actually think MS is backtracking and making 9 more like 7 because, on the desktop, Win32 apps still rule and there's no sign there will be any serious Modern Apps for desktop use in the next several years. I think they're headed in the right direction. They could use some of the graphic designers/app developers from the Mac platform is they really want to change Windows platform UX. Probably not going to happen.

I'll be happy with what it appears Windows 9 will be, with everything x64, and a few cool modern apps that pop up and are usable every now and then. Hoping for more will probably be as fruitful as hoping for a fully functional new Zune client or a system icon overhaul. Not going to happen.

Edit: Just to show how MS' modern initiative just keeps "missing". The alarm app is quite nice and useful, however, it doesn't sync across devices using onedrive/cloud syncing. How does that happen? They need to let whoever runs the server division give Windows a go.

Cosmocronos said,

Not really... I studied in Italy therefore Philosophy, Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects...
What I would be interested to get is the stuff that makes you rant about a conspiracy of the Illuminati, supported by the Bilderberg and the Trilateral of course, against MS....


I take it English isn't your first language then, because 'self-proclaimed "tech illuminati"' is of no relation to that stuff.

morganx: It seems most of your complaints are along the lines of "metro apps aren't desktop apps", but you can just use old desktop apps if you are unhappy with them. I think they serve their use as simple, easy apps for people who are either new to computers or want to try apps that can't muck up the system. I've never had an issue closing or using a metro app (that was caused by Windows), I'm sure there are some as with any system, did it justify ungodly amounts of spam and hate? Not in my opinion. And yes there is much less complaining now, which I guess is a good thing, MS addressed some points and people got tired of the boring back and forth, I guess.

I'm not actually complaining, just noting some facts. The issue with Modern UI on the desktop was why? The apps have not provided a good reason. It was there because MS just made a bad decision. They're correcting it and having a single OS that presents the best UI depending on the form factor is probably where things should have started but hindsight is 20/20.

Windows 8.1 is fine, better than 7. 7 is fine. 8 in VDI is better. There's nothing particularly exciting going on in desktop computing right now. Just more of the same, faster and without crashes.

J_R_G said,
morganx: It seems most of your complaints are along the lines of "metro apps aren't desktop apps", but you can just use old desktop apps if you are unhappy with them. I think they serve their use as simple, easy apps for people who are either new to computers or want to try apps that can't muck up the system. I've never had an issue closing or using a metro app (that was caused by Windows), I'm sure there are some as with any system, did it justify ungodly amounts of spam and hate? Not in my opinion. And yes there is much less complaining now, which I guess is a good thing, MS addressed some points and people got tired of the boring back and forth, I guess.

MorganX said,
I'm not actually complaining, just noting some facts. The issue with Modern UI on the desktop was why? The apps have not provided a good reason. It was there because MS just made a bad decision. They're correcting it and having a single OS that presents the best UI depending on the form factor is probably where things should have started but hindsight is 20/20.

Windows 8.1 is fine, better than 7. 7 is fine. 8 in VDI is better. There's nothing particularly exciting going on in desktop computing right now. Just more of the same, faster and without crashes.

I don't see the 'issue' with modern UI on the desktop. MS can 'fix' it, because people complained but I don't see the start menu as better, just different. It seems easier to pin your most used items to the start menu, then you can open them in 2 clicks. For most users I can't see that the start menu provides anything over that, imo people just couldn't adapt to it even though it was better. When the start menu returns I won't be upset though, I'll just use whatever, I'm more interested in people getting the benefits of the under the hood stuff like the better security, so if it takes a productivity regression (imo) because they are fickle, so be it.

duddit2 said,

What I mean is the perceived perf increase was higher than it actually was. Vista perf increased a lot with the sp's and by the end it was a lot better. But the perceived jump is from vista pre sp to 7.

That lie keeps being spread mostly by XP loyalists using it as an excuse not to change. On a Vista era 1-2 gigs of ram AMD turion or pIV Vista sucks. Its ram usage, vm swap, and indexing are ######. Win 7 is twice as fast on my sytem with 2 gigs of ram. I suppose on a core2duo extreme 4 core with beefy 4 gigs with an updated ssd performance will be similar. But these were not the norms. XP was a much better OS for these systems.

So good XP is die hard to this day as win 7 looks too much like Vista which scares users

J_R_G said,

I take it English isn't your first language then, because 'self-proclaimed "tech illuminati"' is of no relation to that stuff.

No, it is not indeed. I also guess you do not know well who the Illuminati were... Bing will be surely able to help you understanding the references.

Cosmocronos said,

No, it is not indeed. I also guess you do not know well who the Illuminati were... Bing will be surely able to help you understanding the references.

I am not talking about Bilderberg illuminati, sheesh. self-proclaimed tech illuminati is just a phrase that basically means illuminati of the internet wannabes, people who are trying to control things and manipulate public opinion with a small force. In this instance it is bitter computer users who spam a lot, instead of cigar smoking billionaries. If I had said "saviours of the computing world" instead, I think you would be able to figure out I was not referring to jesus Christ, so please stop wasting my time as your English seems more than good enough to grasp what I meant.

Edited by J_R_G, Aug 3 2014, 3:00pm :

J_R_G said,

I am not talking about Bilderberg illuminati, sheesh. self-proclaimed tech illuminati is just a phrase that basically means illuminati of the internet wannabes, people who are trying to control things and manipulate public opinion with a small force. In this instance it is bitter computer users who spam a lot, instead of cigar smoking billionaries. If I had said "saviours of the computing world" instead, I think you would be able to figure out I was not referring to jesus Christ, so please stop wasting my time as your English seems more than good enough to grasp what I meant.


Of course, I have an English proficiency certificate from Cambridge University... Beautiful University BTW...
And my original comment stands: stating that poor adoption of W8, which after 8.1 and 8.1 Update 1 I personally like very much, was just caused by some bloggers is naive... to keep it mildly. People did not like W8 and got a tarnished reputation that, unfortunately I would add, the tremendous improvements that 8.1 brought to the OS were not enough to reverse. As Giovambattista Vico stated: " History repeats itself"... It is another Vista; let us put it behind and move forward with Windows Next/ Threshold.

Cosmocronos said,

Of course, I have an English proficiency certificate from Cambridge University... Beautiful University BTW...
And my original comment stands: stating that poor adoption of W8, which after 8.1 and 8.1 Update 1 I personally like very much, was just caused by some bloggers is naive... to keep it mildly. People did not like W8 and got a tarnished reputation that, unfortunately I would add, the tremendous improvements that 8.1 brought to the OS were not enough to reverse. As Giovambattista Vico stated: " History repeats itself"... It is another Vista; let us put it behind and move forward with Windows Next/ Threshold.

Well everyone has their own opinion, but having used Win 8 extensively, I'm of the opinion that the hate was more viral than legitimate concerns, but whatever. People keep complaining about the productivity, but the start screen is faster for launching programs in most cases, or about metro apps not doing what desktop apps do but then you could just use desktop apps for those cases, the allure of metro apps is they offer you a chance to use apps securely sandboxed, types of apps that maybe you wouldn't want to trust running on your computer just to get some cooking recipes, or do some doc conversions or whatever. The massive benefits get lost, while all we see are the same people repeating "lol windows 8" tripe. Some people just can't see abstract social patterns well, I suppose, and take such things at face value.

Really, 98?! Wow. Time to hire someone to do a new icon set. Or license one from some of the artists on Deviant Art. Some of the sets there are amazing.

Xenon said,
Really, 98?! Wow. Time to hire someone to do a new icon set. Or license one from some of the artists on Deviant Art. Some of the sets there are amazing.
And 95. Anyway, it isn't about not having time to create a new icon set, but how critic it is to replace them. The Windows Vista icons are easly replaced, but how I understand it, that's not the case with XP and older.

Xenon said,
I don't think we are EVER gonna get new icons. They are still using some from XP.

Rumours are Windows 9 will have a complete UI revamp to make everything look more coherent and modern.

scorpian007 said,

Rumours are Windows 9 will have a complete UI revamp to make everything look more coherent and modern.

There are still Windows 3.1 icons laying around, I doubt they'll ever go away lol.

Those icons are only used in places like Admin Tools, regedit and the services manager - why waste time and money updating something that probably < 1% of your users see?

JustAnotherTechie said,
Those icons are only used in places like Admin Tools, regedit and the services manager - why waste time and money updating something that probably < 1% of your users see?

Consistency, besides updating the underlying code will make it easier to update in the future. Maybe add PNG support while they are at it. How hard is it to make an icon anyways?

ians18 said,

Consistency, besides updating the underlying code will make it easier to update in the future. Maybe add PNG support while they are at it. How hard is it to make an icon anyways?

Um, icons have had PNG support since Vista.

scorpian007 said,

Rumours are Windows 9 will have a complete UI revamp to make everything look more coherent and modern.

You mean CGA like, flat, no color, no gradient, like a 1984 mac look? We have modern computers! I want something that I imagine something from 2014 should look like not 1984. What is wrong with designers today.

The you tube apps are all tile and flat and offer have the content of old! Office 2013 looks like something I would install from 1993. But hipsters always know more than the users.

Windows 7 aero, shades, and gradients are gorgeous and fully take advtange of ky hardware. Tablets are dying so why try to make everything look like a cell phone?

Dot Matrix said,

Um, icons have had PNG support since Vista.

Uhh, where are you talking about? On my Surface I just tried applying a PNG to replace a folder icon and the Recycle Bin Icon, but it didn't work until I converted it to ICO. I'm talking about direct PNG support, you try to apply a PNG.

Plus, I would like Proxy Icons to be able to drag and drop file between Modern UI apps, and be able to save an item to a folder by dragging its proxy icon off a desktop or Modern UI app directly into a folder.

sinetheo said,

You mean CGA like, flat, no color, no gradient, like a 1984 mac look? We have modern computers! I want something that I imagine something from 2014 should look like not 1984. What is wrong with designers today.

The you tube apps are all tile and flat and offer have the content of old! Office 2013 looks like something I would install from 1993. But hipsters always know more than the users.

Windows 7 aero, shades, and gradients are gorgeous and fully take advtange of ky hardware. Tablets are dying so why try to make everything look like a cell phone?

They used those effects because they could, not because they're good. Using those older UIs nowadays (especially early 2000's) is just terrible. I couldn't believe how long iOS kept that terrible skeumorphic design.

sinetheo said,

You mean CGA like, flat, no color, no gradient, like a 1984 mac look? We have modern computers! I want something that I imagine something from 2014 should look like not 1984. What is wrong with designers today.

The you tube apps are all tile and flat and offer have the content of old! Office 2013 looks like something I would install from 1993. But hipsters always know more than the users.

Windows 7 aero, shades, and gradients are gorgeous and fully take advtange of ky hardware. Tablets are dying so why try to make everything look like a cell phone?

Just because it's 2014, we don't need extravagant, distracting, butt ugly in your face 3D UIs while we work. Minimalism is the best UI any user could ask for. It allows the user to keep focus, and not get distracted with unnecessary clutter.

And where are tablets dying?

ians18 said,

Uhh, where are you talking about? On my Surface I just tried applying a PNG to replace a folder icon and the Recycle Bin Icon, but it didn't work until I converted it to ICO. I'm talking about direct PNG support, you try to apply a PNG.

Plus, I would like Proxy Icons to be able to drag and drop file between Modern UI apps, and be able to save an item to a folder by dragging its proxy icon off a desktop or Modern UI app directly into a folder.

Windows icons since Vista are PNG compressed.

Dot Matrix said,

Just because it's 2014, we don't need extravagant, distracting, butt ugly in your face 3D UIs while we work. Minimalism is the best UI any user could ask for. It allows the user to keep focus, and not get distracted with unnecessary clutter.

And where are tablets dying?

Here http://www.maximumpc.com/best_..._crashing_tablet_sales_2014

Just because hammers are popular means every screw is a nail. Only iPad really sold well. No need to stop everything else

I hate the fact that they still use old icons. If you want to start fresh and new, they have to throw a rock at the post. FFS Windows team. Do, for once, your job correctly.

Dot Matrix said,

Windows icons since Vista are PNG compressed.

I meant 'direct' PNG support. Uncompressed, images downloaded from the internet.

mrp04 said,

iPad sales decreased just like everything else. The market is saturated and people are realizing that they're terrible for productivity. They have very limited real uses.

So why are we running a tablet OS? PC's are picking up now that win 7 is sold on some of them. I mean a fad is being used as a revolution that we all would use touch screens like mice today? Icons are bring cell phone ized flat as we all use our phones for appearances only right?

sinetheo said,

So why are we running a tablet OS? PC's are picking up now that win 7 is sold on some of them. I mean a fad is being used as a revolution that we all would use touch screens like mice today? Icons are bring cell phone ized flat as we all use our phones for appearances only right?

Minimalist design != a Tablet OS. Where are you getting this from?

ians18 said,

I meant 'direct' PNG support. Uncompressed, images downloaded from the internet.

I don't see what the difference would be. It takes almost no effort to convert a PNG image to an ICO, and both will scale.

sinetheo said,

So why are we running a tablet OS? PC's are picking up now that win 7 is sold on some of them. I mean a fad is being used as a revolution that we all would use touch screens like mice today? Icons are bring cell phone ized flat as we all use our phones for appearances only right?

Bro, click the Desktop tile. Boom instant desktop OS. People making the full screen start menu such a big deal are fools.