Windows Blue has removed 'system image recovery,' leaves us a bit perplexed

Windows Blue has brought many changes to the platform including new apps and customizations, but one feature that appears to have been canned, is the ability to use the "System Image Recovery" option as a boot option.


Boot options menu in Windows 8.


Boot options menu in Windows Blue.

As you can see above, Microsoft has removed the option to recover Windows using a specific image file. Why Microsoft would remove the option to create and restore from a system image backup is a bit baffling, as it would only serve to assist those whose machines are on the fritz, but there you have it – the option is gone.

In its place, Microsoft has introduced "Startup Repair," in the same location and may be a great feature, but it's still not as good as the option to boot from an image file.

This makes it so that Refresh is now the only image back up option and, while Refresh does reinstall everything and you can create a custom image (admittedly only currently via the command line unless they fix this) it doesn’t restore all your settings for your desktop software (email accounts, custom settings etc). So, this isn’t as overall useful as a bit-by-bit image that people have been using for decades with software like this and Symantec Ghost.

For many, this may seem like a step backward for Windows Blue, and we haven’t wrapped our heads around why Microsoft would be stripping features with an update.

Now, this is a leaked build and the option could be added back but this isn’t a situation where the feature is there and it doesn’t work, the option has been removed completely. We hope that this was simply a mistake but there you have it: the option has been nixed.

Again, this is a leaked build of Blue so you should not take this at face value, anything could change before launch.  

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"Now, this is a leaked build and the option could be added back but this isn't a situation where the feature is there and it doesn't work, the option has been removed completely. We hope that this was simply a mistake but there you have it: the option has been nixed."

We don't really know that the option has been removed do we? From what's shown in the article, at best we know that the option won't be accessed in the same way. There could just be a different way of doing it now. I'm not saying that there is, but that is all we know from what you've shown.

[quote=NoPanShabuShabu said,]"Now, this is a leaked build and the option could be added back but this isn't a situation where the feature is there and it doesn't work, the option has been removed completely. We hope that this was simply a mistake but there you have it: the option has been nixed."

Windows 8 and Windows Blue are both a mistake!

Aero - gone
Backup and restore - bye bye
Metro disable reg key - adios
DVD playback - sayonara
Shadow Copy - auf wiedersehen
WMC - arrivederci
START MENU - you get the idea


Fully right, stick to windows 7 is the best for now.

What i found very annoying in 8 was the Safe Mode acces - is very deeply hiden instead of being of the first page - i see blue still keep it hidden...

It's been mentioned in another thread, but it happens again here.
The title and article are misleading. Windows Blue hasn't leaked, it's an early build that was not supposed to be shown to the public. Yet everybody is b*tching like this is the final version and MS is screwing up left and right.

Can we all at least wait until MS releases an official Beta, and evaluate that?
I guess that is to much to ask for most of the people here. Strange, so much hate for MS on a site that mainly covers MS. Why are you all here? Is it just to complain?

not sure if I'm correct, but maybe it's because your copy of windows blue isn't activated?

Another explanation is that it's not a finished product.

I was expecting Microsoft to put split Windows to Desktop and Tablet in GarbeWindows Blue 1.0, or to have some of the Windows 7 features back, but it does not look like it is going to happen, so I am officially starting looking for alternatives.

I looked a bit and delayed it since everyone had a negative opinion and you expect them to listen, but no, they are not interested, so I am not interested in them either anymore.

It was a good run, I enjoyed Windows 3.0, 3.1 and then 3.11, Windows NT 3.51 was so stable and so nice, Windows 95 was just beauty, Windows NT 4 was stable and nice, Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and 7, I enjoyed every one of them.

Goodbye Windows 8 Garbage

john.smith_2084 said,
....

When your eyes start to bleed from reading crappy fonts on forums and man pages, we'll be happy to welcome you back.

Or get a Mac.

Ok, this is in the the new Metro side of settings (moving more settings into metro). Who's to say that non-metro/desktop settings pages don't still exist with some additional features?

you know...... there is a document that is given to their partners explaining what is and isn't in the current builds..... just maybe you know.... this feature is temporarily disabled due to it's latest checking not being ready? you know.... just maybe?....... kinda like how some programs disappear in the win8 beta.... to you know..... return later

neufuse said,
you know...... there is a document that is given to their partners explaining what is and isn't in the current builds..... just maybe you know.... this feature is temporarily disabled due to it's latest checking not being ready? you know.... just maybe?....... kinda like how some programs disappear in the win8 beta.... to you know..... return later

You know, I think you might be onto something, you know it seems pretty cut and dry after you said that you know?

warwagon said,

You know, I think you might be onto something, you know it seems pretty cut and dry after you said that you know?

you know.... right? *lol*

neufuse said,
....

Shhh developers aren't supposed to reveal the secrets of nightly builds and source code control to the masses.

Don't be the masked magician of software.
/S

I would assume that the option is only visible if a suitable image recovery partition is available. Also the fact this is a pre-beta at best might have something to do with it..

Well considering they added the skydrive backup I think they are going in the way that wp8 works as the refresh your pc would reinstall the os and the once login the skydrive backup would install all your settings and apps just as it does in wp8.

The only place to make a system image (without command prompt) is in the Windows 7 backup options, available from the "File History" section in the control panel. Did they remove that too?

I hope not, as I thought that was an excellent feature. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if it will be removed, as Microsoft went out of its way to hide it.

The last thing Windows Blue should be doing is REMOVING features, especially those so useful to technical users.

Aaron44126 said,
The only place to make a system image (without command prompt) is in the Windows 7 backup options, available from the "File History" section in the control panel. Did they remove that too?

It's available directly in Control Panel under Windows 7 File Recovery or from start menu search.
Odd name considering it still has the full functionality and isn't just used for restoring files from backups created in 7.
I'll be quite disappointed if they actually remove this feature. It would be the first feature in 8 that Microsoft removed that I actually used. Well, other than Previous Versions that is but that was really just hidden, you can browse your local computer through it's network path and previous versions are there.

"Windows Blue has removed 'system image recovery,' leaves us a bit perplexed"

The title is dumb.....

your then turn around and say:

"Again, this is a leaked build of Blue so you should not take this at face value, anything could change before launch. "

if you know this is leaked software then you know things are still changing...

Perhaps they're working on a new version of said feature? Seems a bit premature to talk about missing features in an unfinished product that should not have been released to the public. Even the new features we see might stil be improved upon. In a way I think its bad that this update has been shown in its current state. Although in general its nice to know in what direction they're taking it.

They said that about Windows 8...and yet we got almost exactly what was shown in the first betas/release. Nothing but meaningless cosmetics and bug fixes came through the pipe after that moment.

The polished aps that were supposed to ship by RTM? We're supposed to see that this week...ahem.

Startup Repair....if it is anything like the Windows Repair in Win7, it doesnt work to well. Half the time it cannot repair Windows or it messes up Windows even more.

But just a Beta and who knows what the final will be.

*facepalm*
So Windows Repair "messes up Windows even more" when trying to repair an already broken Windows system.
Yeah, that makes sense.

ahhell said,
*facepalm*
So Windows Repair "messes up Windows even more" when trying to repair an already broken Windows system.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Yup sure does...not all the time but I have personally seen it happen several times the past couple of weeks. Just because you have not experienced it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

ahhell said,
*facepalm*
So Windows Repair "messes up Windows even more" when trying to repair an already broken Windows system.
Yeah, that makes sense.

Yes, it doesn't work and makes things worse because now you can't even reinstall Windows over the previous version. Thus Refresh is useless and screws your whole system.

I'm going to go ahead and say this *is* a beta, and every time they removed a feature during the Windows 8 beta, apologists kept insisting 'don't worry its just a beta' and ultimately these features never returned and then the tone changed to 'well this is Microsoft's new direction. Deal with it'

Aero - gone
Backup and restore - bye bye
Metro disable reg key - adios
DVD playback - sayonara
Shadow Copy - auf wiedersehen
WMC - arrivederci
START MENU - you get the idea

Edited by MVD, Mar 25 2013, 6:59pm :

siah1214 said,
I'm going to go ahead and say we should wait for a Beta before we start panicking.

This is supposed to be launched in a few months... This IS the beta.
Also, the Recovery Mode NEVER worked when I needed and now they're removing features.
This is all looking pretty great.

Luis Mazza said,

This is supposed to be launched in a few months... This IS the beta.
Also, the Recovery Mode NEVER worked when I needed and now they're removing features.
This is all looking pretty great.

No this is an alpha. Learn the difference between alpha and beta.

mnl1121 said,

No this is an alpha. Learn the difference between alpha and beta.

The difference is: alphas you can still find hope and excuses for your delusions over features, while beta software you can only excuse bugs.
Not convincing... But you can still believe in fairy tales.

mnl1121 said,
What a troll. Half of those features are still indeed not gone.

Really? Name one thats still 'not gone' out of the box if I go buy Windows 8 Pro today. Repeat out of the box, meaning third party hacks don't count since MS can patch them out anytime, and apparently in Blue they already have.

Only one troll I see here.

MVD said,
I'm going to go ahead and say this *is* a beta, and every time they removed a feature during the Windows 8 beta, apologists kept insisting 'don't worry its just a beta' and ultimately these features never returned and then the tone changed to 'well this is Microsoft's new direction. Deal with it'

Aero - gone
Backup and restore - bye bye
Metro disable reg key - adios
DVD playback - sayonara
Shadow Copy - auf wiedersehen
WMC - arrivederci
START MENU - you get the idea

Precisely. Anyone remember Windows 8 in beta?! Their preview releases were virtually feature complete and LOCKED before they ever got the IT public's feedback.

And we all told them the public would reject a GUI with INVISIBLE undocumented controls designed for touch screens when 99% of computer users at home and at work don't use touch screens and likely never will.

But they didn't listen to those of who saw Windows 8 before the previews were shown to the IT public. And they didn't listen to them. And they don't appear to be listening to the consumers now.

Not really, since it is become more and more obvious that Microsoft is abandoning the business sector in favor of the consumer sector. Therefore, image backups are nowhere as critical as they would be for business users.

TsarNikky said,
Not really, since it is become more and more obvious that Microsoft is abandoning the business sector in favor of the consumer sector. Therefore, image backups are nowhere as critical as they would be for business users.
You realize the backup system in all windows installs is an image now right?

Who actually make a backup image? I don't know a single person that does. They'll restore to the original, but that's about it from what I see. I don't even bother making a backup of my system images anymore. You always have to update it from time to time. Just as easy to just restore the original, then re-install from scratch.

farmeunit said,
Who actually make a backup image? I don't know a single person that does. They'll restore to the original, but that's about it from what I see. I don't even bother making a backup of my system images anymore. You always have to update it from time to time. Just as easy to just restore the original, then re-install from scratch.
Microsoft's built in backup uses images.

farmeunit said,
Who actually make a backup image? I don't know a single person that does. They'll restore to the original, but that's about it from what I see. I don't even bother making a backup of my system images anymore. You always have to update it from time to time. Just as easy to just restore the original, then re-install from scratch.
I use to before I installed Windows 8. It ****ed me off. The benefit of an image is, when I first install Windows,I install all my apps with my settings. Then I activate and then I create an image. If I ever have to reinstal Windows, I simply use the image which has all my settings and all my updates to that point and I dont have to waste my activations. My system came with Windows 7 Home Premium, but I purchased the in place upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. MS only allows you to activate a limited ampount of times even on the same system.if I use an image I dont waste my activations.

TechieXP said,
I use to before I installed Windows 8. It ****ed me off. The benefit of an image is, when I first install Windows,I install all my apps with my settings. Then I activate and then I create an image. If I ever have to reinstal Windows, I simply use the image which has all my settings and all my updates to that point and I dont have to waste my activations. My system came with Windows 7 Home Premium, but I purchased the in place upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. MS only allows you to activate a limited ampount of times even on the same system.if I use an image I dont waste my activations.
What's stopping you from creating a backup image in Windows 8. I've done it. Why can't you?

TechieXP said,
I use to before I installed Windows 8. It ****ed me off. The benefit of an image is, when I first install Windows,I install all my apps with my settings. Then I activate and then I create an image. If I ever have to reinstal Windows, I simply use the image which has all my settings and all my updates to that point and I dont have to waste my activations. My system came with Windows 7 Home Premium, but I purchased the in place upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate. MS only allows you to activate a limited ampount of times even on the same system.if I use an image I dont waste my activations.
Just so you know, they allow automated internet activations up to a point over a period of time. At that point you usually just call in and they let you keep going and in some cases I've hard they reset the counter. People need to seriously quit seeing the activation product as this boogieman, it's actually very user friendly, even to Power Users.