Windows Blue: the next big Windows 8 update

Though Windows 8 little more than a month old, attention is already turning to what Microsoft has planned for the future of its new-generation OS. With over 40 million licences already sold, Windows 8 is off to a solid start, but it will come as no surprise to anyone to learn that the company is already working on updates for the OS.

You may already be familiar with the product codename "Windows Blue." When we reported on it back in August, it was suggested that it would be a significant update to Windows 8 – perhaps delivered as a "Windows 8.1" Service Pack-style upgrade – at some point next year. The Verge today reports that Blue is a little bit more than that – not just an OS update, but a move towards a standardised annual update cycle across both Windows and Windows Phone.

For Windows 8, it's said that the update, which is expected to arrive in mid-2013, will include "UI changes and alterations to the entire platform and pricing." On the user interface front, we at Neowin have heard from one knowledgeable source that the changes are expected to include the ability to customise the Start screen with more flexible tile sizes – along the lines of the Start screen that debuted in Windows Phone 8 – as well as a broader range of colour and background customisation options.

Perhaps more interesting than this is the prospect that while Blue will almost certainly be a low-cost update, it may even be provided free of charge as a means to stimulate upgrades for all users. According to The Verge's sources, a new version of the Windows SDK will be released with Blue, and "Microsoft will stop accepting apps that are built for Windows 8, pushing developers to create apps for Blue."

It's said that Microsoft wants Blue to be "the next OS that everyone installs," although it's believed that the Windows 8 branding will remain. The initial Blue update is also expected to pave the way for a cycle of annual OS updates. A tentative release date for Blue beyond the mid-2013 time frame is not yet known.

Source: The Verge

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Neowin users (over all) nauseate me..
I read the comments here and you guys are mostly defending the M$ should charge money for the update angle and pouncing on anyone that disagrees.
Dumb.

Neowin users always defend serving ad's/pop-ups on web sites.
Dumb.

Neowin users are always defending the "right to charge money" for software
anbd no one is entitled to free software angle.
Dumb.

Neowin users consider people involved with file sharing as criminals.
Dumb.

Newoin users agressively attack anyone that uses and old OS regardless of why.
Dumb.

Neowin users defend Microsoft no matter how bad they screw things up such as Windows 8.
Dumb.

Neowin users are experts at knowing what other people are thinking and doing even when they have never met or talked to a person.
Dumb.

Neowin users are like vultures stripping a carcass to pieces if any person objects to the status quo. For example you will be targeted and villified if you dare question the mighty overlord Bill Gates lol

I come here because it amuses me to no end watching people post their opinions.
Much of comes across as M$ butt kissing at all costs no matter what and if anyone disagrees.. then look out .. here we go lol

And the professional Troll spotters. You'd swear they get a cookie for each one they find lol and the funny part is the responses someone gets is usually more offensive than whatever the so called Troll said and definitely more useless.

Smug condescending experts bending over backwards to silence people unless you agree with their wise opinions lol (educating people on what they are thinking and what they have done while never never actually checking)

I look forward to another year of this crap lol

Their plan to release an upgrade to Windows 8 this fast is actually a tell tale sign of the failure of Windows 8. Windows 8 is a disaster. If they continue going down this path, they will badly upset and annoy corporates and consumers both.

The short story is, Microsoft needs to get rid of Steve Ballmer as soon as possible!

Win8 isn't all that bad as I thought. If anything, I never or very seldom go to the modern ui part. I use Pokki and do everything from there being on a NON touch laptop circa 1-2 years old. works for me. I'm just glad MS didn't lock down the kernel and other parts so these apps can be made. Only detractor is, it is an app itself. I still think MS should have offered a start menu for non touch systems. MS DOES want people like me to upgrade to Win8 if I don't have a touch system right?

I know this is bad and not like me but my first thought was 'Your cant polish a....'

I don't like that I thought that. I wish they would just rethink the UI with Blue, so many users don't like it and there is nothing wrong with re-styling following valid feedback from customers, heck its what makes so many companies the best in their field.

Edit - Just want to say that my thoughts above was from a Desktop users point of view, I do love the additions to Explorer and so many other things it just they really lost me with the clunky new and unforgiving Start Menu replacement. Im all for innovation but it still feels like Ive put all my icons on my desktop every time I open the start screen and have to wade throught it.

Will the defects in the original Windows-8 release be fixed? More specifically, will it return those business-critical/desired features that exist in XP, Vista, and Windows-7 but were removed in Windows-8? It is one thing to pander to the fickle consumer market; but to alienate business market in that process, is certainly very risky behavior.

TsarNikky said,
Will the defects in the original Windows-8 release be fixed? More specifically, will it return those business-critical/desired features that exist in XP, Vista, and Windows-7 but were removed in Windows-8? It is one thing to pander to the fickle consumer market; but to alienate business market in that process, is certainly very risky behavior.

Are you hinting at the start menu again??? Give it up
It's not coming back

Stoffel said,

Are you hinting at the start menu again??? Give it up
It's not coming back


Start8 from Stardock is a good replacement and not to expensieve.

This is just the codename. It will turn out being Windows 8.1

They want to integrate everything I guess.....

Windows Phone 8.x
now Windows 8.1 (or whatever number)

I imagine their next gen Xbox will have something similar. Unify the expirence.

This is the first I've heard of blue. Very interesting. Hopefully the sdk isn't too different. Seems really annoying to have to learn something new so soon

thatguyandrew1992 said,
This is the first I've heard of blue. Very interesting. Hopefully the sdk isn't too different. Seems really annoying to have to learn something new so soon

They just reset everything, Metro is really v1.0 so it seems normal to me that they are going to update this new SDK very fast to catch up with everybody else.
So I don't think you will have to learn something new, but rather get more functionality

I just hope they really work hard on the UI. The system behind it is pretty solid, but the UI is just poorly thought out. It amazes me that a company this size doesn't have any visionary UI developers. Or people who would listen to what the testers have been shouting since the first public preview version.

As a web developer I truly hope this faster release cycle applies to IE as well. Often the new versions have collided with a new Windows version so having people stuck on an old piece of crap for 3 years just to get a new out-of-date browser is no good when the competition moves forward every month.

Free update from windows 8 to blue yes
paying for an update after a couple of months from release date no freaking way and i don't think it will happen

"UI changes and alterations to the entire platform and pricing."
oh my, why couldn't you just get this right at launch. That's just embarrassing.

tytytucke said
....

Why do you think Sinofsky is gone now.
Here's hoping the Blue platform unification will succeed with Julie at the helm of the Windows Division.

I'm fine with 8 as it is. I can see them adding older stuff back in and allowing for a boot to desktop though. I think enterprise would like to have the option to disable start screen and so forth and still have the option to run touch mode on tablet devices. Really makes sense that way. Time will tell. If MS feels the heat of slow adoption, they'll do it.

S3P€hR said,
Now I see why it was cheaper because for updates we have to pay. Screw you Microsoft. By the Blue means Sad Times for Screwed Users.

It likely won't cost anything. Maybe calm down a bit and think things through before throwing a tantrum?

Blue sounds interesting to me. I might switch to 8 once this drops, as many of the bugs and UI inconsistencies would probably be fixed. This would also give power users the ability to pin smaller tiles and use up all their screen real estate.

Aside from that, I also want to use metro apps on multiple monitors, new metro icons for the desktop and more options for hot corners and metro (native boot to desktop, turn off charms while on desktop, etc.)

Wow, when they released Windows 8 with the big wart on top named "Windows RT", I said: "They're trying to kill Windows?"

Now I'm sure they're trying too!

myxomatosis said,
Wow, when they released Windows 8 with the big wart on top named "Windows RT", I said: "They're trying to kill Windows?"

Now I'm sure they're trying too!

By releasing more frequent updates?

myxomatosis said,
Wow, when they released Windows 8 with the big wart on top named "Windows RT", I said: "They're trying to kill Windows?"

Now I'm sure they're trying too!

And how exactly are they doing that? Or are you referring to the traditional Windows UI which was long over-due for a refresh whether we like it so much at the moment or not...

myxomatosis said,
Wow, when they released Windows 8 with the big wart on top named "Windows RT", I said: "They're trying to kill Windows?"

Now I'm sure they're trying too!

What's wrong with Windows RT?

The main difference between Windows 8 and Windows RT is that RT is the ARM version, 8 is the x86 and x64 version. If anything it's the other way around, Windows 8 being the wart on top of Windows RT!!!

If Microsoft stops accepting app submissions for old Windows 8 apps, then I think that pretty much guarantees the update will be free, there simply isn't any other way without angering all of your early adopters.

I would not mind paying a small fee for a onetime update specially if it is a big update but I do not want to pay for updates on a regular basis. If that were to happen I would definitely ditch Microsoft.

I guess that is why this why Windows 8 was cheaper then Windows 7, because they are going to charge fees every few months. lol

BillyJack said,
I would not mind paying a small fee for a onetime update specially if it is a big update but I do not want to pay for updates on a regular basis. If that were to happen I would definitely ditch Microsoft.

I guess that is why this why Windows 8 was cheaper then Windows 7, because they are going to charge fees every few months. lol

Would it be so bad to pay $10 a year to have the latest and greatest?
I don't mind paying for an OS since I use it every single day

Stoffel said,

Would it be so bad to pay $10 a year to have the latest and greatest?
I don't mind paying for an OS since I use it every single day

You are right. Even though I previously said I would not pay numerous fees a year it really is not that bad to pay a low priced fee once or a few times a year. Specially since I use my computer all the time

BillyJack said,

You are right. Even though I previously said I would not pay numerous fees a year it really is not that bad to pay a low priced fee once or a few times a year. Specially since I use my computer all the time

My point exactly, and I don't think MS will ever manage to release big updates multiple times a year.
So it would be only once a year a small fee, sounds good to me

.Neo said,
Cool, now Apple users can get to call every single new Windows version a "service pack" too.

This wont be a new Windows version it will be an addition, so yes kinda like a service pack that has actual stuff in it, unlike OSX which features a new desktop background.

ingramator said,
unlike OSX which features a new desktop background.

Thanks for showing us we don't have to take you seriously.

This paid update thing feels like a horrible similarity to Vista's Ultimate Extras, which some people are still waiting for!

Will Happily use Windows Blue once released, even if I do have to pay a little for it, Liking Windows 8 totally here, Start Screen isn't an issue for me, find myself actually using the Start Screen Apps at times, Sure will be better experience even once I have Monitor that supports it fully

It won't be paid update I don't think. Doesn't make sense for Microsoft. I understand them reimagining themselves but I don't think they'll go that far less than a year after the launch of their most revamped OS (UI-wise at least) since 1995. From what I know they are calling it a little more than a Service Pack update as SP's traditionally don't bring new functionality to Windows and have never changed the UI which this update claims it will do. I think they'll bring more apps, update existing apps and update the interface a little bit after user feedback.

not that i care they will charge for an OS update but i think this may be the nail in the coffin for w8. tried it for 3 weeks and went back to w7. im sure quite a few others did the same.

smooth3006 said,
not that i care they will charge for an OS update but i think this may be the nail in the coffin for w8. tried it for 3 weeks and went back to w7. im sure quite a few others did the same.

Yes, I did also. We have already had 175 clients upgrade back to Windows 7 when their new machines came pre loaded with Windows 8.

JHBrown said,

Yes, I did also. We have already had 175 clients upgrade back to Windows 7 when their new machines came pre loaded with Windows 8.

Wow. That's pathetic, please explain how using Windows 8 was going to be so bad that you bothered to downgrade all your computers to Windows 7, sometimes I think it just gives the tech team something to do or complain about...

smooth3006 said,
not that i care they will charge for an OS update but i think this may be the nail in the coffin for w8. tried it for 3 weeks and went back to w7. im sure quite a few others did the same.

You didn't give it enough time. I have been running Windows 8 exclusively since the Dev Preview. I did have hiccups along the way, but I have effortlessly mastered the UI, you have to form some memory maps and its good to learn a few keyboard commands, especially Windows key + X. Pinn your favorite and most commonly used apps on the Taskbar. I am always preparing documents, so Word is pinned to Taskbar, Explorer is there, SpiceWorks, Facebook , Outlook.com, my Calendar provides me updates and its a quick click away. Moving between Start Screen and Desktop is a simple press of the Windows key on the keyboard.

yowanvista said,
"UI changes" - Give us the damn Start Menu!!!

if they were smart they would separate out the 2 UI's and fix the mess they made.

Zedox said,

*Hands you Windows 7*

*Throws it right towards your face*
I'm already using Windows 8 but the touch oriented interface just doesn't feel right on a desktop, had to disable all the Metro Crap UI. The lack of Aero Glass also makes the whole thing lame and boring.

It's most likely just a big update that all existing Windows 8 and RT users will get next year via windows update for free. They have never charged for services packs or windows updates so why would they start now?

Lets hope that they make it a 64bit version only as annual windows updates will be a nightmare as it is for developers, nevermind 32bit and 64bit versions too.

torrentthief said,
Lets hope that they make it a 64bit version only as annual windows updates will be a nightmare as it is for developers, nevermind 32bit and 64bit versions too.

They can't do that, the new CloverTrail Atom is only 32 bit
So you will have a Windows Blue x32 and x64

This is just my guess

Stoffel said,

They can't do that, the new CloverTrail Atom is only 32 bit
So you will have a Windows Blue x32 and x64

This is just my guess

Not to mention Windows RT is 32 bit and the ARM processor in the Surface is 32 bit. There would be a lot of disgruntled users if they made Blue 64 bit only. There is really no point really in making it 64 bit only either. Its not like Modern apps use gobbs of memory.

Mr. Dee said,

Not to mention Windows RT is 32 bit and the ARM processor in the Surface is 32 bit. There would be a lot of disgruntled users if they made Blue 64 bit only. There is really no point really in making it 64 bit only either. Its not like Modern apps use gobbs of memory.

I think that Windows Blue will have a 64-bit version for ARM, it's already been stated that Microsoft are working on a 64-bit version of Windows RT

I doubt it will be paid. Android/iOS updates are free every year (for their supported hardware) I figure this will be more in-line to compete with them. I figure they will release as 8.1, 8.2, etc until Windows 9 comes out (which will be the next paid version).

greensabath said,
I doubt it will be paid. Android/iOS updates are free every year (for their supported hardware) I figure this will be more in-line to compete with them. I figure they will release as 8.1, 8.2, etc until Windows 9 comes out (which will be the next paid version).

yes, plus the app store... since they get part of the revs it might subsitute for the cost of it. I don't know.

Multi-monitor support for Start screen..please. I want to gloriously span tiles between my monitors and run different apps on different screens full screen. Especially since my 1280x1024 monitors "aren't good enough" for split screen apps.

Also would be nice to be able to have the system tray time replicate on all taskbars when in desktop mode. To find out the time currently I have to either switch to desktop mode on my primary monitor, or bring up the charms menu. I have to do an action, not glance and go.

You are going to have to separate Messenger from Calendar and People as well if you are moving towards Skype.

NXTwoThou said,
Multi-monitor support for Start screen..please. I want to gloriously span tiles between my monitors and run different apps on different screens full screen. Especially since my 1280x1024 monitors "aren't good enough" for split screen apps.

Also would be nice to be able to have the system tray time replicate on all taskbars when in desktop mode. To find out the time currently I have to either switch to desktop mode on my primary monitor, or bring up the charms menu. I have to do an action, not glance and go.

You are going to have to separate Messenger from Calendar and People as well if you are moving towards Skype.

This.

[quote=NXTwoThou said,]

Also would be nice to be able to have the system tray time replicate on all taskbars when in desktop mode. To find out the time currently I have to either switch to desktop mode on my primary monitor, or bring up the charms menu. I have to do an action, not glance and go.
quote]
If you want the time on the Start Screen, there are several tile options available that will show you the time.

Absolutely true, until I launch any app. So if I have Skype up, what do you suggest? I've got one monitor that shows Skype, the other monitor that has my desktop without time/date.

NXTwoThou said,
Absolutely true, until I launch any app. So if I have Skype up, what do you suggest? I've got one monitor that shows Skype, the other monitor that has my desktop without time/date.

Or a game (like TES V: Skyrim) that refuses to launch itself on anything other than the main screen...

This is a real issue

As a Mac OS X user that has been trolled many times by Windows fanboys, I get to finally say this: Microsoft is going to charge for service packs!?

Sarcasm aside, I think it's a good way to go. Enterprise be damned. Frequent updates are important and fun.

Elliott said,
As a Mac OS X user that has been trolled many times by Windows fanboys, I get to finally say this: Microsoft is going to charge for service packs!?

Sarcasm aside, I think it's a good way to go. Enterprise be damned. Frequent updates are important and fun.

for service packs? not at all

The facts are we don't know the facts. We know rumors. Although the upgrade cost for Windows 8 is significantly cheaper than what Microsoft offered before and there are only OEM full version CDs. We'll have to wait and see what comes out in 6 months.

Elliott said,
As a Mac OS X user that has been trolled many times by Windows fanboys, I get to finally say this: Microsoft is going to charge for service packs!?

Sarcasm aside, I think it's a good way to go. Enterprise be damned. Frequent updates are important and fun.

Elliott said,
As a Mac OS X user that has been trolled many times by Windows fanboys, I get to finally say this: Microsoft is going to charge for service packs!?

Sarcasm aside, I think it's a good way to go. Enterprise be damned. Frequent updates are important and fun.

Enterprise users and non for profit use software assurance so for 2 years weather its a new OS or pay for upgrade they would get them for free .

FalseAgent said,

This is why Windows fanboys troll you

Because they're sour their OS updates are everything but fun? Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Like browser updates but you get the free version and will have to pay to have the advertising crap removed. ? or MS like me links scattered everywhere lol,,

I don't believe for a second Microsoft is calling this a new OS. Or anyone else for that matter. Shouldn't they let Windows 8 settle down for people to get used to? Instead after 6 months forcing another OS down people's throats and dismissing all the effort and marketing they put in WIndows 8?

SlimShady said,
I don't believe for a second Microsoft is calling this a new OS. Or anyone else for that matter. Shouldn't they let Windows 8 settle down for people to get used to? Instead after 6 months forcing another OS down people's throats and dismissing all the effort and marketing they put in WIndows 8?

settle what? The OS is half-baked right now the way they slapped Metro, more work needs to be done. Android and iOS/OSX are iterating fast Microsoft needs to move just as fast in order to catch up

That's not what the article is suggesting. It's suggesting that MS will start doing smaller updates to their OS that are more than bug fixes meaning new feature doesn't just come with the big releases. It's the release style used by iOS and Android and if MS want Windows to compete with them in the tablet market they'll have to do these kind of updates.

Leonick said,
That's not what the article is suggesting. It's suggesting that MS will start doing smaller updates to their OS that are more than bug fixes meaning new feature doesn't just come with the big releases. It's the release style used by iOS and Android and if MS want Windows to compete with them in the tablet market they'll have to do these kind of updates.

If what the article says and MS will indeed push developers to focus on apps tailored to "Blue" this means that the release will make substantial changes to the OS; yes they did it already once with Windows XP SP2 but again, and I reiterate, if what is reported will be true this will not be just an update or a Service pack.

Leonick said,
...It's the release style used by iOS and Android and if MS want Windows to compete with them in the tablet market they'll have to do these kind of updates.

Android and iOS do not charge for their updates.

Yearly paid updates to the OS possibly changing baseline functionnality...? Enterprise customers will be up in arms over this

Arkos Reed said,
Yearly paid updates to the OS possibly changing baseline functionnality...? Enterprise customers will be up in arms over this

hm I wonder
Enterprise usually doesn't buy licenses they buy rights to install a version of Windows, whether it's Windows 7 or Windows 8

mmjm said,

hm I wonder
Enterprise usually doesn't buy licenses they buy rights to install a version of Windows, whether it's Windows 7 or Windows 8

An upgrade/component you pay for in the retail space is not free in the enterprise space, far from that.
The only hypothesis I have, if the information is verified, is that they're gonna use this as a trojan horse of sorts to push Software Assurance down customers' throats.
The other problem with this is compatibility testing and upgrade cycles, companies which don't use SA are either gonna be forced to buy these upgrades or face the risk of having metro apps (given they use them mind you... ) not compatible with the gold versions of Windows 8 they bought as OEM (because most do that) on the PCs they install/ship.

Arkos Reed said,
Yearly paid updates to the OS possibly changing baseline functionnality...? Enterprise customers will be up in arms over this

I bet you do not work in the enterprise. Enterprises get software assurance means they get any and all updates be then full blown OS's or pay for upgrades for 2 years.

majortom1981 said,

I bet you do not work in the enterprise. Enterprises get software assurance means they get any and all updates be then full blown OS's or pay for upgrades for 2 years.

Under volume licensing, a company can deploy a premium business edition of Windows at their own pace. In face, Windows 7 Enterprise has 10 years of support. So a company that did not deploy Windows 7 in 2009, can install it in 2017 and get 4 to 5 years of extra support and upgrade to Windows 16 under their SA if they maintain and downgrade to Windows 14 if they feel like it.

Well, other than getting extra years of support (which is not accurate), the rest is correct. When you have SA on Windows, you pay for Windows licenses, not specific versions. However, it doesn't change the lifecycle dates, and you also can't deploy older unsupported OSes after they go EOL under that SA license either. Getting extra time for support from Microsoft (custom / extended support agreements) costs money, and always has.

majortom1981 said,

I bet you do not work in the enterprise. Enterprises get software assurance means they get any and all updates be then full blown OS's or pay for upgrades for 2 years.

Enterprises do NOT get Software assurance by default, it may surprise you but many do not opt to buy it, why? Their upgrade cycles are often longer than the usual 3 year OS/Product release cycle, not everyone has to be on the bleeding edge. Therefore, Software Assurance would cost them more than buying new licences would (any cycle under 3 years would make SA somewhat interesting though).

Simple example, where I work, until late last year we were running XP/Office 2003 on most of our workstations, now we're on Windows 7/Office 2010. Why didn't we migrate sooner?
Vista was a disaster? Office 2007 was too much of a change to users? Nope, we just didn't NEED to upgrade, only when security, interoperability and the impossibility to downgrade started to show up in the projections did we start our migration project.
How much did we save by not buying SA? Close to 1.2 milion euros.

So, when I say that businesses will be up in arms over this kind of increase in release cycle speed, if they keep EOLing n-2 versions, it's not just words I throw out at random.

Perhaps more interesting than this is the prospect that while Blue will almost certainly be a low-cost update, it may even be provided free of charge as a means to stimulate upgrades for all users.

Why would MS charge money for an OS update?! This doesn't make sense.

oliver182 said,

Apple does...


No, Apple charges for every new version of OS X, they don't charge you for the smaller updates in-between. Similarly, back when iPod Touch users had to pay for updates they only paid for the big ones with smaller .x updates being free.

If MS want to compete with iOS and Android on the tablet market they'll have to do smaller .X updates to their OS that aren't just bug fixes between the large releases and they'll want to do them for free.

Leonick said,

No, Apple charges for every new version of OS X, they don't charge you for the smaller updates in-between. Similarly, back when iPod Touch users had to pay for updates they only paid for the big ones with smaller .x updates being free.

If MS want to compete with iOS and Android on the tablet market they'll have to do smaller .X updates to their OS that aren't just bug fixes between the large releases and they'll want to do them for free.

Did you read the article? This won't be a small update or a regular service pack. They will be adopting OS X release cycle. We are taking about Windows 8 in general, not just tablets.

eddman said,

Doesn't mean MS should follow them in this regard. I, for one, will be disappointed.

We dont even know if they will charge yet, or how it will be if they do. But either way i see this coming and was expecting it.

In order to compete MS absolutely NEED to do more regular updates. You can no longer release an OS every 3 years, thats a very long time. A lot can happen in 3 years in the computing world (as the iPad proved). MS need more updates with more features in order to stay competitive. It was inevitable.

1Pixel said,

We dont even know if they will charge yet, or how it will be if they do.


But people want to be angry nowwwwwww~!

1Pixel said,

We dont even know if they will charge yet, or how it will be if they do. But either way i see this coming and was expecting it.

In order to compete MS absolutely NEED to do more regular updates. You can no longer release an OS every 3 years, thats a very long time. A lot can happen in 3 years in the computing world (as the iPad proved). MS need more updates with more features in order to stay competitive. It was inevitable.


this!

When windows was x86 only (pre W8), this wouldn't matter as much as apps can really change the OS experience (both UI and UX), but throw RT into the equation and you see the need for big updates more regularly implemented, which will need to tie into the whole platform.

How this effects big business, and how much they will cost (if anything) is anyones guess as we lack details.

1Pixel said,

We dont even know if they will charge yet, or how it will be if they do. But either way i see this coming and was expecting it.

In order to compete MS absolutely NEED to do more regular updates. You can no longer release an OS every 3 years, thats a very long time. A lot can happen in 3 years in the computing world (as the iPad proved). MS need more updates with more features in order to stay competitive. It was inevitable.

Ooops. And here I was thinking that Microsoft did automatic updates every Tuesday. Some of these are as major as the ones Apple charges for.

Major Plonquer said,

Ooops. And here I was thinking that Microsoft did automatic updates every Tuesday. Some of these are as major as the ones Apple charges for.

As a user of both, you are sorely mistaken. There has never been an update released on Patch Tuesday anywhere near the magnitude of an OS update from Apple. A few KB fixes do not equal the differences between Tiger, Leopard, SL, Lion, and ML. No idea what gave you this idea.

oliver182 said,

Apple does...


There is a big difference. Windows 8 is not ready for customer. Poor launcher, very poor app store, poor standard apps etc. So, instead of rushing to update launcher and app store, they are working on something else. This will kill Windows 8 RT sales, especially outside US, considering how poor localizations are. Customers won't be buying tablets just to wait for fixes, knowing that there will be no them.

oliver182 said,

Apple does...

thank this guy for pushing forward the Windows is copying Apple angle lol

and that logic is as solid as swiss cheese.. how could you even type that out ?
insert some example here of people doing dumb crap <roll eyes>

jeez christ neowin "experts" blow me away with their opinionated crap wow !

Zlip792 said,

Not but their OS is more desktop oriented rather than touch optimized OS thrown to your desktop... Got my point???


Your point is stupid.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

no no no, didn't you forget that you have to own apple hardware to legally use mac os x? ppl dont wanna buy 1500 dollar hardware to use an os ;3 this upgrade wil most likely be 10-20 bucks, and regular updates free thereafter. i guess piracy is hittin windows hard, otherwise they wouldn't have come up with slic 3.0 and paid upgrades. hahah

Zlip792 said,

Not but their OS is more desktop oriented rather than touch optimized OS thrown to your desktop... Got my point???

That isn't remotely close to what you said first...

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..
If Microsoft is going to force developers to develop for Windows Blue, this update won't be payed.

Zlip792 said,

Not but their OS is more desktop oriented rather than touch optimized OS thrown to your desktop... Got my point???

Your point is mute as Apple are moving more and more iOS features into OSx, so your point is one that will continuously erode over time.

Anyway, even if that wasn't the case - its a stupid point as W8 works just fine on desktop.

duddit2 said,

Your point is mute as Apple are moving more and more iOS features into OSx, so your point is one that will continuously erode over time.

Anyway, even if that wasn't the case - its a stupid point as W8 works just fine on desktop.

Only comment that makes sense out of all above, all things have one time to end like Microsoft and Apple in future. So there will some other competitor in future as well. Also currently using Windows 8 and still stick and say it sucks.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

Mac osx is more expensive since that requires a whole new machine which is $1000 on up.

Izlude said,

no no no, didn't you forget that you have to own apple hardware to legally use mac os x? ppl dont wanna buy 1500 dollar hardware to use an os ;3 this upgrade wil most likely be 10-20 bucks, and regular updates free thereafter. i guess piracy is hittin windows hard, otherwise they wouldn't have come up with slic 3.0 and paid upgrades. hahah

both OS on desktop and laptop are genuine, when I spend many bucks on i7 etc, I can get Mac as well.

Izlude said,
no no no, didn't you forget that you have to own apple hardware to legally use mac os x? ppl dont wanna buy 1500 dollar hardware to use an os ;3 this upgrade wil most likely be 10-20 bucks, and regular updates free thereafter. i guess piracy is hittin windows hard, otherwise they wouldn't have come up with slic 3.0 and paid upgrades. hahah

a EULA is not a law. It's an agreement.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

Yes, 2013 will be the year of the Linux desktop..
/s

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

I don't see a problem with Microsoft charging for its products. Developing an update costs resources, just like developing the initial version does, so it's understandable that Microsoft may charge for it.

Calum said,

I don't see a problem with Microsoft charging for its products. Developing an update costs resources, just like developing the initial version does, so it's understandable that Microsoft may charge for it.

If it does indeed make UI changes, adds features, and isn't just a glorified service pack, then yeah I would think a cost isn't a bad thing. Though it sounds like they want to basically abandon the stock Win8 and almost force people into paying for this update, which will definitely make people mad. I'm sure a ton of people would like to see options added to turn on/off or customize more of the UI instead of needing 3rd party software. I'd pay for update like that.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

You must not have a Mac OS now; they always charge for their updates. I think you need to look of the definition of the word doomed.

devHead said,

You must not have a Mac OS now; they always charge for their updates. I think you need to look of the definition of the word doomed.

Yes, I don't have now but in future I can get if it means to get better User experience, so what if they charge but their OS will be more desktop oriented.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

linuX?! really???
MAC OSX?!! REALLY!?

you do realize the price for windows 8 is many times lower than windows 7. If i have to pay a little fee, im all in. because i didnt have to pay as much as i would have for win 7.

Zlip792 said,

Yes, I don't have now but in future I can get if it means to get better User experience, so what if they charge but their OS will be more desktop oriented.


if you look into this, even a tiny amount, you'll see more and more iOS 'features' being rolled into OSx. I know apple have been vocal about merging the tablet and desktop, but that doesn't mean that's what they actually believe. When you take a step back its entirely logical to have a platform span multiple devices and I think apple know this.

Anyway stats and figures (early granted) suggest people are happy with w8, only time can honestly tell.

duddit2 said,

if you look into this, even a tiny amount, you'll see more and more iOS 'features' being rolled into OSx. I know apple have been vocal about merging the tablet and desktop, but that doesn't mean that's what they actually believe. When you take a step back its entirely logical to have a platform span multiple devices and I think apple know this.

Anyway stats and figures (early granted) suggest people are happy with w8, only time can honestly tell.

Sure, Time will tell.. Hope consumer got win in the end.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

It took Apple 30 years to get to 40 million users. These are numbers Linux can only dream of. The six guys who use Linux should all shut up and leave the rest of us alone.

Wake me up when Microsoft put the start button, and desktop back "front and centre" in their operating system. Until then they can keep their OS, I'm not buying it.

dvb2000 said,
Wake me up when Microsoft put the start button, and desktop back "front and centre" in their operating system. Until then they can keep their OS, I'm not buying it.
Have fun driving to work in your Model T with square tires.
Things need to evolve! If Microsoft did not take the next step in revolutionizing the computer to make it better, someone else would have. Think about the mouse. Everyone hated it initially, wondering what the hell was wrong with the keyboard. Eventually, people wisened up, seeing the true usefullness of the peripheral.
Watch any futuristic movie, and they're almost always using touch devices like glass tablets or touch computers. Touch is simply more realistic and intuitive; get over it.

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

think you mean just linux. but per update... great so everything we hate about Mac is Microsoft now.

hagjohn said,
a EULA is not a law. It's an agreement.
An EULA is a CONTRACT. Ever heard of CONTRACT LAW. By using the software you are agreeing to the contract and installing OSX on non-apple hardware is breaking the contract. Breaking a contract without mutual consent is BREAKING THE LAW!!

Zlip792 said,
If it will be paid thingy then we are doomed... linux is way to go or Mac OS X..

"Mac OSX and Linux will be the way to go!", usual but always hilarious trash.

Zlip792 said,

Not but their OS is more desktop oriented rather than touch optimized OS thrown to your desktop... Got my point???

Not for very much longer. Touchscreen Airs are just a question of time, and OS X has been moving in that direction too. Slowly, though. They need to milk their iSheep more often for what's considered a service pack in the real world.

holy jeez guys lol

you got yourself a live one ..don't let em get way now lol
christ neowin users bloody brutal !
god forbid some guy has an opinion
better hurry up and "Like" em to death..

oliver182 said,

I didn't know OS X was free.....


Nopes, but do you want to start paying for the same Windows service packs that you got free for the last many years?

Mineria said,

Nopes, but do you want to start paying for the same Windows service packs that you got free for the last many years?

These aren't service packs; these are updates with a fair amount of new features. We haven't ever got such updates for free before.

Mineria said,

Nopes, but do you want to start paying for the same Windows service packs that you got free for the last many years?

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