Windows Blue/8.1 build 9369 screenshots appear

A few days ago we learned that Windows Blue will be known as Windows 8.1 after a screenshot of build 9375 appeared that showed the OS as being "Windows 8.1 Pro". Today screenshots of a different build have appeared, build 9369, however in this earlier build there is no mention of Windows 8.1, which seems to indicate that the naming choice for Windows Blue has been reasonably recent in the development of the OS.

The screenshots, courtesy of WinForum.eu, don't really highlight any new features that may be found in the build, however signs point to a compiling date after the leaked build (9364) which makes it seem plausible. The full build tag shows it's from a 64-bit Microsoft partner version of Windows Blue (6.3.9369.0.fbl_partner_out14.130324-1300 (x64)), and as you might have expected Internet Explorer 11 is still alive in these builds.

Source: WinForum.eu via: WinBeta

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I guess 9375 is the BUILD build. Microsoft always stabilises the build that they will release to the public

The desktop hasn't changed much, they took away the glassy semi-transparent borders which a lot of people disliked anyway.
If that is enough to call it white boredom/mess, you're seriously overreacting.....

All improvements all are related to Metro. The desktop is still a white boredom/mess. If this situation is preserved, it will flop as much as Windows 8.0 flopped.

It's sad that it seems that all of the Microsoft's engineering effort is put into mobile front, neglecting the desktop or taking it a step back.

Mortis said,
All improvements all are related to Metro. The desktop is still a white boredom/mess. If this situation is preserved, it will flop as much as Windows 8.0 flopped.

It's sad that it seems that all of the Microsoft's engineering effort is put into mobile front, neglecting the desktop or taking it a step back.

Of course the improvements are to Metro. It's the most that needed work. They're not touching the desktop in order to mitigate more training costs. You won't see any changes to the desktop until the next major release.

What I want to see is the bug fix of Windows Search.
Starting from Windows 7, Windows Search sucks. I cannot find what I want even if I know where it is. There are a lot of compliants but Micro$oft ignores.
Windows XP is much better in searching function.

ce1st said,
What I want to see is the bug fix of Windows Search.
Starting from Windows 7, Windows Search sucks. I cannot find what I want even if I know where it is. There are a lot of compliants but Micro$oft ignores.
Windows XP is much better in searching function.

Wait what?

ce1st said,
What I want to see is the bug fix of Windows Search.
Starting from Windows 7, Windows Search sucks. I cannot find what I want even if I know where it is. There are a lot of compliants but Micro$oft ignores.
Windows XP is much better in searching function.

First of all, loose the dollar sign, second of all, what?

ce1st said,
What I want to see is the bug fix of Windows Search.
Starting from Windows 7, Windows Search sucks. I cannot find what I want even if I know where it is. There are a lot of compliants but Micro$oft ignores.
Windows XP is much better in searching function.

No one is going to take anything you say seriously if you continue to use the $ sign in the name. Drop, then we'll talk.

That second screenshot looks interesting. The title bars almost look like they have a bevel effect.

I like the white text, too.

Ian William said,
That second screenshot looks interesting. The title bars almost look like they have a bevel effect.

I like the white text, too.

Yes indeed, I already tought that my eyes saw something that there isn't, but the borders have indeed gradients.

ACTIONpack said,
Does anyone know what score does IE11 gets on html5test.com?

not trying to sound rude but why do people care about these tests ?
only thing that matters to me is does the site open .
sorry i just do not understand

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Like Turbo said, why would you care? In real world they count for milliseconds which you won't even notice most of the cases.

html5test doesn't test browser speeds, it tests for html5 standards support.

torrentthief said,

html5test doesn't test browser speeds, it tests for html5 standards support.

It actually scores a little lower but half the stuff in ie 11 is locked in the registry, its essentially just ie10 with a different name. As you may know, the ie team work separate to the windows team and their stable builds are only incorporated into the windows build every so often.

torrentthief said,

html5test doesn't test browser speeds, it tests for html5 standards support.


Actually, it tests for ****.

First, it doesn't really tests anything. It just asks browser if the browser implements this/that feature and depending on browser saying yes/no, it gives score.
It doesn't actually test if the said feature is implemented let alone implemented correctly.

Then, it tests for whole bunch of other things that are not even standards.

Crimson Rain said,

Actually, it tests for ****.

First, it doesn't really tests anything. It just asks browser if the browser implements this/that feature and depending on browser saying yes/no, it gives score.
It doesn't actually test if the said feature is implemented let alone implemented correctly.

Then, it tests for whole bunch of other things that are not even standards.

Close but not quite. It also checks the speed at which the rendering engine deals with the request and how closely the engine follows the laid out standards.

Mikeffer said,

Close but not quite. It also checks the speed at which the rendering engine deals with the request and how closely the engine follows the laid out standards.


As far as I know, both of your claims are 100% false. So please give some proof.

I really hope that MS decides to improve the wireless networking situation in Windows. I have seen it so many times for myself and heard from many others that connections just stop and the subsequent inability to rejoin a network that others are happily using.

Iridium said,
I really hope that MS decides to improve the wireless networking situation in Windows. I have seen it so many times for myself and heard from many others that connections just stop and the subsequent inability to rejoin a network that others are happily using.

More than likely a hardware problem rather than Windows. Myself and my business are running Win8 on all our systems and not a single one has a Wireless drop out issue.

Hopeful, but knowing Microsoft, it wouldn't surprise me if it were another failure. For Vista fans, I had an HP HDX 20" laptop which at the time was top of the line and it came with Vista, even with every update it was agonizingly slow. When I put 7 on it, it was like a new machine. My opinion of Vista, is it was **** and every bit as bad as it's reputation. Maybe you're personal experience was a good one, but for most of us, it sucked. Now with W8, it's an ugly clunky disaster and every REAL indicator proves it.

How much RAM? Vista with a dual core processor and 2GB+ RAM ran perfectly fine. No worse than 7 in my experiences.

2GB then expanded to 4GB. File transfers were agony and almost every aspect was slower than 7 on that machine. Still use it to this day in my office and runs great.

Yay, more build-number screenshots.
I am concerned that more seems to be focused on pointless, mainly cosmetic, features.
I would much rather they make it more robust and fix the numerous bugs which have been annoying me since day one.

I have win 8 but not as my main development PC. What bugs are you referring to? I'm thinking of updating my main PC but will wait if the problems are enough to wreck my day.

Laptop screen STILL blank after a full reboot (has to then be put to sleep then woken up for the screen to come on). USB ports suddenly stopping working (having to be deleted in device manager then re-scanned). Wireless suddenly stops and can only be fixed with a reboot. Volume balance switching to right side when input source changes (fixed by setting main volume to zero).

Of course, all of the above could be blamed on driver issues; but windows 7 never had such problems, and for windows 8 to break so many things is unacceptable.

Tony Gorham said,
I have win 8 but not as my main development PC. What bugs are you referring to? I'm thinking of updating my main PC but will wait if the problems are enough to wreck my day.

ZERO issues with Windows 8 on my desktop with two 2560 wide monitors, my convertible tablet PC, or my two old convertible tablet PCs that I passed on to my parents. Zero issues on two other desktops I have installed Windows 8 onto, either. It works as flawlessly as 7, but has some extra driver support included such as USB 3.0.

Shiranui said,
Laptop screen STILL blank after a full reboot (has to then be put to sleep then woken up for the screen to come on). USB ports suddenly stopping working (having to be deleted in device manager then re-scanned). Wireless suddenly stops and can only be fixed with a reboot. Volume balance switching to right side when input source changes (fixed by setting main volume to zero).

Of course, all of the above could be blamed on driver issues; but windows 7 never had such problems, and for windows 8 to break so many things is unacceptable.

You're right. You have weird driver issues and you are in an EXTREMELY small minority of users. Microsoft would never release something like that if it was at all likely to happen to a normal user.

thanks - I have it running happily on my Samsung Slate series 7 but I don't run that much. Need to install on my HP Elitebook - and I run 3 monitors so a little nervous. As long as its only driver errors - which it sounds like then all good I guess.

I'm running W8 on my trusty old HP Pavilion 9085, and it runs just fine. If someone has major issues after installing W8, check for the latest drivers you can find for your hardware. There's a possibility you needed specialised drivers anyway, and they cannot come from MS, but from the chap who built the damn thing.

Even though W8 did a fine job of finding all the hardware inside my laptop, I did some hunting, and found (non HP) native drivers for all the hardware inside. Maybe not all W8 certified, but at least close to, or released after the W8 release.

I just can't stand this bickering over non-working installations, while the person knows it's not a Windows problem. Of course the OS isn't going to run properly with outdated drivers. Why do you think you get updates on those all the time?
And there were some changes in W8 the way hardware and drivers communicate, so don't assume W7 drivers will work just fine in W8. You mention issues with the screen, that's one area where driver changes were made. So yes, get the latest one you can find.

If you want this solved, at least state what hardware you're running, so people can actually help you. Just complaining about it doesn't really solve it, doesn't it???

Dutchie64 said,
If you want this solved, at least state what hardware you're running, so people can actually help you. Just complaining about it doesn't really solve it, doesn't it???

He's just here to complain.
>>

Shiranui said,

Of course, all of the above could be blamed on driver issues; but windows 7 never had such problems, and for windows 8 to break so many things is unacceptable.

Shiranui said,
Laptop screen STILL blank after a full reboot (has to then be put to sleep then woken up for the screen to come on). USB ports suddenly stopping working (having to be deleted in device manager then re-scanned). Wireless suddenly stops and can only be fixed with a reboot. Volume balance switching to right side when input source changes (fixed by setting main volume to zero).

Of course, all of the above could be blamed on driver issues; but windows 7 never had such problems, and for windows 8 to break so many things is unacceptable.


Well, it's always recommended that you update your drivers regardless...

service pack 1 this summer .

the average windows user know not a single thing about this BLUE crap and its clear that microsoft is doing what ever it can to fix the mess they released just so mom and pops will buy windows 8 after tech websites and microsoft says hey Microsoft fixed all the problems with windows 8 its ok to go buy it now.

no matter what you say this is a ditch attempt and fixing windows 8 with a service pack . its not going to work

They did this same thing with Vista, just not as fast.

Worked then, which unfortunately lead to a massive bandwagon as Vista was nowhere near as bad as everyone made it out to be, especially after SP1.

I love it. Microsoft released a very new UI with Windows 8, which was expectedly met with a lot of criticism. Now they very rapidly responding to specific criticisms of the UI to improve it, and you somehow have a problem with this?

ModernMech said,
I love it. Microsoft released a very new UI with Windows 8, which was expectedly met with a lot of criticism. Now they very rapidly responding to specific criticisms of the UI to improve it, and you somehow have a problem with this?

the thing is they did not do anything with the Ugly UI it is still a 100% mess and still inconsistent. they need to go back and start from scratch

The main problem was the hardware. people expected XP systems to run vista just fine. not even trying to have more than 3GB ram. Nowadays the hardware in general is much faster and the jumps are not so far as 2001-2004. Vista was running on my Notebook desktop replacement for about 4 years without problems.

-adrian- said,
The main problem was the hardware. people expected XP systems to run vista just fine. not even trying to have more than 3GB ram. Nowadays the hardware in general is much faster and the jumps are not so far as 2001-2004. Vista was running on my Notebook desktop replacement for about 4 years without problems.

The problem was not only what people expected but the fact that MS messed up with Vista "capable", or whatever it was called, certification granted to hardware that was underpowered to run the OS.

TurboShrimp said,

the thing is they did not do anything with the Ugly UI it is still a 100% mess and still inconsistent. they need to go back and start from scratch


Stay with 7 then.

TurboShrimp said,

the thing is they did not do anything with the Ugly UI it is still a 100% mess and still inconsistent. they need to go back and start from scratch

Oh, waaaa. Metro is getting significant improvements in Blue and here you are crying over them , without having tried it. How very adult of you.

TurboShrimp said,
service pack 1 this summer .

the average windows user know not a single thing about this BLUE crap and its clear that microsoft is doing what ever it can to fix the mess they released just so mom and pops will buy windows 8 after tech websites and microsoft says hey Microsoft fixed all the problems with windows 8 its ok to go buy it now.

no matter what you say this is a ditch attempt and fixing windows 8 with a service pack . its not going to work


Yes, this being the first time they've released a service pack and all... /s

TurboShrimp said,
service pack 1 this summer .

the average windows user know not a single thing about this BLUE crap and its clear that microsoft is doing what ever it can to fix the mess they released just so mom and pops will buy windows 8 after tech websites and microsoft says hey Microsoft fixed all the problems with windows 8 its ok to go buy it now.

no matter what you say this is a ditch attempt and fixing windows 8 with a service pack . its not going to work

I very much doubt this is a service pack. This isn't a reaction to the flaws in 8. This is a scheduled planned Agile release. Service Packs are so Waterfall.

ModernMech said,
I love it. Microsoft released a very new UI with Windows 8, which was expectedly met with a lot of criticism. Now they very rapidly responding to specific criticisms of the UI to improve it, and you somehow have a problem with this?
I just tried the latest leak I could get my hands on in a VM (only a couple builds previous to the one from this article) and could not distinguish it from the Win8 that I'm running now. I'd really like to know how these complaints are supposedly being addressed.

Darrian said,
I just tried the latest leak I could get my hands on in a VM (only a couple builds previous to the one from this article) and could not distinguish it from the Win8 that I'm running now. I'd really like to know how these complaints are supposedly being addressed.

They're almost impossible to miss. What did you do, just stare at it?

Mostly the notice on the desktop that essentially says "don't share this build or you'll be in big trouble," because that's the only noticeable difference besides a couple of metro apps on the start screen that I'll never use and a revamped settings app, neither of which affect the UI.

Edited by Darrian, Apr 5 2013, 1:38pm :

Darrian said,
I just tried the latest leak I could get my hands on in a VM (only a couple builds previous to the one from this article) and could not distinguish it from the Win8 that I'm running now. I'd really like to know how these complaints are supposedly being addressed.

The changes mostly relate to the Metro UI. If your complaint is a lack of start menu, that's the one thing they're blowing right past because the future for MS is Metro.

But with respect to Metro and the start screen:

+ People complained about Tiles being too large for a 24" display - they'e adding 1/4x tiles to address this.
+ People complained about the desktop tile being too eas to miss - they're adding 4x tiles to address this.
+ People complained about fullscreen only metro apps - they're adding 2x, 3x, and 4x side-by-side metro app views.
+ People complained about the minimum resoution for app pinning being too high - they lowered it.
+ People complained about the search functionality being categorized - they made it a unified view.
+ People complained about lack of customization options on the start screen - they added a color picker.
+ People complained about two control panels - they added a heap ton of new options into the metro panel, to try and make the desktop control panel redundant.

And that's just the things we know about in this early build.

I didn't notice any of that besides the control panel, probably because I didn't play with any metro apps and I certainly didn't play around with pinning tiles or having multiple apps displayed. Now I wonder and will have to see if you can have 2 apps open taking up only 50% of the screen each so that they are both fully usable. Still, I figure Stardock has already fixed those issues for users who spend most of the time on the desktop with ModernMix and Decor8, so there probably isn't too much excitement for me to be had over this update.

An Aero type theme would be good, yes, but Aero itself wouldn't due to how terrible of a rendering engine it is compared to what's currently being used on Windows 8.

Yet another reason I wish I could use it..

lctb51 said,
They need to bring back Aero, the new interface is so cheesy looking and outdated!

Windows 8 desktop is significantly better. Every day at work when I go back to W7 I am amazed at how much uglier it is than W8. The only thing that needs tweaking in W8 desktop is the gray titlebar for background windows.

I don't miss the Windows 7 aero theme. When I was using Windows 7 I always used custom visual styles. However, I'm very upset that they removed transparency support, because the Windows 8 RP theme was a lot better than Windows 7's aero, and it works in 8, but not well because of the loss of transparency, and also because it limits what people making custom visual styles can do. There's no reason they couldn't have made the Windows 8 theme opaque as it is and still kept the ability to display transparency. I understand they were trimming fat with Windows 8, but aero and transparency were relatively new features. They should have cut more of the old antiquated crap and kept the more modern stuff. I'm angry that they cut gadgets out, too, but at least I was able to restore that functionality, also using files from the RP.

as much as i dig the start screen (it's just like a full-screen start menu...which is awesome), I really would love to see actual significant improvements for desktop users. Some added features, visual touch-ups, more customization, etc.

Edited by Avi Patel, Apr 4 2013, 2:10am :

dead.cell said,
I hear ya. I'd love to see icon grouping on the taskbar, akin to something like Bins.

Dock in Mac OS X Leopard beta used to be able to group app icons as well. But in the GM (final) it became limited to folders only. Such a shame.