Windows Live Sync upgrades to 5GB and rebrands to Live Mesh

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Microsoft launched the beta of Windows Live Sync along with Windows Live Essentials 2011, allowing users to sync files and data between PC and PC, and between your PC and the cloud. After the most recent beta refresh, Microsoft will be rebranding Sync to Windows Live Mesh.

Windows Live Sync allows users to sync between two Windows or Mac computers, sharing folders and files between computers, and even allows users to sync Microsoft software settings, including Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office. Users can also sync their Windows-based PC or Mac with SkyDrive.

SkyDrive originally offered 2GB of storage, but with Windows Mobile 7 coming soon, users will be keeping more and more storage on the cloud, so Microsoft has upped the limit to 5GB. The beta started just in June, with over 240,000 people using Windows Live Sync. Microsoft mentioned that the average Live Sync customer syncs over 675 files with an average file size of 1.8MB, and uses roughly 240MB of storage on the cloud.

Microsoft also announced that they will be rebranding Windows Live Sync to Windows Live Mesh moving forward. Users can expect to see the new branding on future releases of Windows Live Essentials 2011.

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I have been syncing Windows a TB of data with Windows Live Sync for a long time with no problem, Now I have just switched to the beta and it slows my machines to a crawl and uses masses of memory. Opening a directory now takes several seconds :-(

SkyDrive offers 25GB of storage, not 5 GB. I know you probably mean 5 GB for Live Sync out of this 25 GB but you I think should state it more clearly.

I'm confused! the article says Windows Live Sync is becoming Live Mesh but that graphic says Live Mesh is becoming Windows Live Sync which one is it! *confused*

Xerxes said,
I'm confused! the article says Windows Live Sync is becoming Live Mesh but that graphic says Live Mesh is becoming Windows Live Sync which one is it! *confused*

The image is out of date. They renamed Mesh to Sync during the Live Essentials beta (killing off the original Sync and merging in some of its features)--which is what the picture is from--but they are now renaming this new Sync back to its original Mesh name.

Confused yet?

Really? Mesh was the better service but Sync had a much more polished interface with a name that isn't likely to confuse the average user. To me upping Sync's storage to 5GB would be the way forward, but... Change the name back to Mesh, whatever, do what you like Microsoft.

When all MS consolidate fluidly, MS is gonna be the defacto service. Phone, XBOX Live, Windows, Office, etc all connect to the cloud seamlessly. Others gonna have a tough time to beat.

vice le von said,
When all MS consolidate fluidly, MS is gonna be the defacto service. Phone, XBOX Live, Windows, Office, etc all connect to the cloud seamlessly. Others gonna have a tough time to beat.

Yeah, I agree. When that happens... And they seem to be ramping that up recently. Releasing their applications and services on other platforms and such...

vice le von said,
When all MS consolidate fluidly, MS is gonna be the defacto service. Phone, XBOX Live, Windows, Office, etc all connect to the cloud seamlessly. Others gonna have a tough time to beat.
1

This has been a funny/interesting thing to watch.

1) Microsoft tries to implement cloud based services and integration going back to MSN of 1995 where it was an intregrated explorer folder concept.
2) Microsoft's cloud ideas get side lined as consumers don't have the bandwidth or the need for it.
3) Companies like Google step in and go,"Wow, we have a great idea, and will be the awesome cloud and online services."
4) Microsoft gets Win7 out the door and put time into the consumer side of the cloud and a massivie choice of cloud storage/hosting and programming services.

In the end Microsoft's cloud is more complete and easier than what Google and others have been toying with for a few years. (Having started as far back as 1995, it makes sense.)

So a bit of consolidation of services and more Win7 and Win7Phone hooks to the cloud services and bingo, it becomes a really solid set of services.

Angel Blue01 said,
No Linux client, no good to me.
I believe that Microsoft stopped developing for Linux a long time ago. So there will be little chance for a linux mesh client.

Angel Blue01 said,
No Linux client, no good to me.

Well, Linux only holds a tiny part of the market. And the Linux part is really a whole bunchif distributions, each with their set of packages installed. It would be a hassle to write a program that works with a large amount of Linux distributions out of the box.

As well, Linux is just a hassle to use for the most part. There are a few distributions that are rather nice, but a large amount of them are still not user-friendly. This is what keeps Linux with a tiny market share. This and relatively no advertising or marketing.

Jayke Huempfner said,

Well, Linux only holds a tiny part of the market. And the Linux part is really a whole bunchif distributions, each with their set of packages installed. It would be a hassle to write a program that works with a large amount of Linux distributions out of the box.

As well, Linux is just a hassle to use for the most part. There are a few distributions that are rather nice, but a large amount of them are still not user-friendly. This is what keeps Linux with a tiny market share. This and relatively no advertising or marketing.

and yet dropbox managed to put out a linux client, i don't think it's that hard to write a client, especially with the resources Microsoft has. It was also do a lot for their image of inoperability.

Jayke Huempfner said,
Well, Linux only holds a tiny part of the market. And the Linux part is really a whole bunchif distributions, each with their set of packages installed. It would be a hassle to write a program that works with a large amount of Linux distributions out of the box.

As well, Linux is just a hassle to use for the most part. There are a few distributions that are rather nice, but a large amount of them are still not user-friendly. This is what keeps Linux with a tiny market share. This and relatively no advertising or marketing.

True but Android is a growing segment of the marketplace; it would be insanity for Microsoft to ignore such a growing customer base.

rawr_boy81 said,

True but Android is a growing segment of the marketplace; it would be insanity for Microsoft to ignore such a growing customer base.

That's a good point. I would really be surprised if Microsoft weren't at least in the conception stages of targeting Android.

Chrono951 said,
So Mesh + Sync = Sync only to become Mesh again?

Well not really, think it's more like this:
1. Sync
2. Sync and Mesh at the same time; Mesh being a beta all the time
3. New Sync (actually Mesh); Old Sync removed from system
4. New Sync is called Mesh (as in the beta...)

I LOVE the live sync the way it is now! I have FOUR 24 inch displays on my desk, and I can use my 8 inch Asus EeePC to scroll remotely across all 4 screens over the internet. That rocks.

Well, make me an iphone app or one really good mobile website and ill do go fulltime live sync then, abandoning my dropbox.

I currently use live sync to sync the pictures folder and few other on my computers and dropbox for documents so that i can get them on my iphone too in case i would need to...

With sync it doesn't even matter if you forget to put a document in a sync folder as the website lest you access you entire harddrive...

The lack of mobile app or iphone rather as i think windows mobile have one is the only way dropbox is superior...

Leonick said,
Well, make me an iphone app or one really good mobile website and ill do go fulltime live sync then, abandoning my dropbox.

I currently use live sync to sync the pictures folder and few other on my computers and dropbox for documents so that i can get them on my iphone too in case i would need to...

With sync it doesn't even matter if you forget to put a document in a sync folder as the website lest you access you entire harddrive...

The lack of mobile app or iphone rather as i think windows mobile have one is the only way dropbox is superior...

There's a mobile browser version of Skydrive that works great, the Windows Live Messenger App for the iPhone also allows you to access photos on Skydrive and upload photos to Skydrive.

mm4rley said,
Yes I have, and I dont think it has an iPhone or Android app without them its a fail in my eyes.

One step at a time, first OS X/Windows, next who knows?

Redestium said,
Without an Android app (like Dropbox), I couldn't use it very much sadly.

Microsoft has stated plans for Live clients for Android. Messenger, Sync/Mesh , etc.

I have tried it on a few occasions and didnt like it, would rather use Dropbox... I am always trying new services sometimes I think too many but this has never been anything that has excited me, for one they are missing one of the main features just now which is mobile. I know they say that this is coming with sync/mesh but how long have they said this for......

mm4rley said,
I have tried it on a few occasions and didnt like it, would rather use Dropbox... I am always trying new services sometimes I think too many but this has never been anything that has excited me, for one they are missing one of the main features just now which is mobile. I know they say that this is coming with sync/mesh but how long have they said this for......

Are you sure you used the service because I have been using this to sync to my phone for the last 2 years?

The mobile installer is here http://m.mesh.com/install/wm6/LiveMesh.cab

So if you can use this to synchronize files on two different PCs on your LAN without going to the cloud (as was claimed in another thread), does this 5GB limit apply? How feasable is it to use this, say, to mirror important folders on one PC to another one?

_dandy_ said,
So if you can use this to synchronize files on two different PCs on your LAN without going to the cloud (as was claimed in another thread), does this 5GB limit apply? How feasable is it to use this, say, to mirror important folders on one PC to another one?

No, the 5GB limit is the amount you can store in the cloud on Microsoft's servers. PC-to-PC synching is unlimited, and the scenario you describe is exactly what this application is designed for.

JonathanMarston said,

No, the 5GB limit is the amount you can store in the cloud on Microsoft's servers. PC-to-PC synching is unlimited, and the scenario you describe is exactly what this application is designed for.

Suddenly this is interesting. :-)

So...can this support a totally offline scenario? I mean, if the PCs on my LAN can talk to each other but the LAN itself is isolated from the internet, can this still work, or do clients have to negotiate *something* at some point with a server?

So Microsoft offers "unlimited" storage for emails in Hotmail which Microsoft knows we'll never need or use, yet for a service like this they offer a much smaller storage space because they know it would be used and would cost them. Get it together MS, offer 10GB for every Live account and allow users to use it in any of your products in any way you want.

thealexweb said,
So Microsoft offers "unlimited" storage for emails in Hotmail which Microsoft knows we'll never need or use, yet for a service like this they offer a much smaller storage space because they know it would be used and would cost them. Get it together MS, offer 10GB for every Live account and allow users to use it in any of your products in any way you want.

or better yet, combine Sky Drive with Sync already! and combine both storage into a 30G free drive!

noPCtoday said,

or better yet, combine Sky Drive with Sync already! and combine both storage into a 30G free drive!

I agree, they will properly converge over time.

noPCtoday said,

or better yet, combine Sky Drive with Sync already! and combine both storage into a 30G free drive!

Its going to happen, just not in this release. But frankly, I do most of my syncing between PC to PC. When you sync that way, Live Mesh is virtually unlimited.

noPCtoday said,

or better yet, combine Sky Drive with Sync already! and combine both storage into a 30G free drive!

Yup, totally as simple as that, it's more or less just like formating two partitions down to one! I mean, i did that this afternoon on my laptop, surely microsoft is only doing it because it hates us!

AgentGray said,

Yup, totally as simple as that, it's more or less just like formating two partitions down to one! I mean, i did that this afternoon on my laptop, surely microsoft is only doing it because it hates us!

I'm sorry, no, it's completely different.

TBH I'd prefer that each service has its own data caps. I don't want to think about whether or not uploading file X to sync with a computer will result in my email starting to bounce because it's also impacted my mailbox.

They do need to better integrate and brand the services but and stop producing redundant ones (too many services overlap far too much). Their entire online services is still a bit of a shamble really.

Smigit said,
TBH I'd prefer that each service has its own data caps. I don't want to think about whether or not uploading file X to sync with a computer will result in my email starting to bounce because it's also impacted my mailbox.

They do need to better integrate and brand the services but and stop producing redundant ones (too many services overlap far too much). Their entire online services is still a bit of a shamble really.


Hugh, good to know - thought the 5GBs were stored on the 25GB Skydrive...

MFH said,

Hugh, good to know - thought the 5GBs were stored on the 25GB Skydrive...

It is. A portion of your SkyDrive is set aside for Live Sync / Mesh to use. After the 5 GB are set aside, your SjyDrive is left with 20 GB of room to store data.

mm4rley said,
Decide on a name already, this is another service that I gave up on long ago... ill stick with Dropbox.

I never got the concept of giving up on anything in the tech community. Use what works, and try new **** to see if it's better for you then what you're using. Otherwise we'd all still be on yahoo mail and AOL 9.0!

mm4rley said,
Decide on a name already, this is another service that I gave up on long ago... ill stick with Dropbox.

<3 Dropbox

mm4rley said,
Decide on a name already, this is another service that I gave up on long ago... ill stick with Dropbox.

lol Dropbox - not even close to the Skydrive "expirence"
Wheter it's called Live Sync or Live Mesh doesn't really matter! More important would be access to synced files from SkyDrive...

MFH said,

lol Dropbox - not even close to the Skydrive "expirence"
Wheter it's called Live Sync or Live Mesh doesn't really matter! More important would be access to synced files from SkyDrive...
You can access synced files on Dropbox's web interface. What are you talking about?

AgentGray said,

I never got the concept of giving up on anything in the tech community. Use what works, and try new **** to see if it's better for you then what you're using. Otherwise we'd all still be on yahoo mail and AOL 9.0!

I agree. A more bizarre statement in tech there isn't...

*Edit

haha, that sounds like Dr. Zoidberg said it... lol

Funny enough, I use Mesh for directory sharing between computers and I use Dropbox for my Truecrypt drive... Reason being: Mesh lets me choose where I want each 'synced' directory while Dropbox does delta based file changes. So my 2GB TC volume doesn't re-upload EVERY time I make a small change, only the updated bits are needed.

So basically, Microsoft is offering less storage for an online file syncing client than Google is offering for online e-mail storage. Come on Microsoft, go all in or get out. Commit to offering a storage pool that isn't a joke, and you'll secure the cloud computing market. Keep half-assing it like this, and you'll be left behind.

Relativity_17 said,
So basically, Microsoft is offering less storage for an online file syncing client than Google is offering for online e-mail storage. Come on Microsoft, go all in or get out. Commit to offering a storage pool that isn't a joke, and you'll secure the cloud computing market. Keep half-assing it like this, and you'll be left behind.

Are you forgetting about Windows Live SkyDrive?

Relativity_17 said,
So basically, Microsoft is offering less storage for an online file syncing client than Google is offering for online e-mail storage. Come on Microsoft, go all in or get out. Commit to offering a storage pool that isn't a joke, and you'll secure the cloud computing market. Keep half-assing it like this, and you'll be left behind.

Left behind who ? I don't see anyone else doing this on the same level.

Relativity_17 said,
So basically, Microsoft is offering less storage for an online file syncing client than Google is offering for online e-mail storage. Come on Microsoft, go all in or get out. Commit to offering a storage pool that isn't a joke, and you'll secure the cloud computing market. Keep half-assing it like this, and you'll be left behind.

way to not understand the product. It can sync as much data as you want, to all the computers involved. It just only stores 5 gigs of it to skydrive.

as for smaller then google's email service... Text compresses really really well. Music, video, and complex documents meant to be used on livemesh not so much. That, and Google offers the storage because they know a large portion of the population won't ever use it, or if they do they'll use it very slowly over time. It's very easy for you to right click on a folder and snyc up all 5 gigs in a matter off minutes.

BoneyardBrew said,

Are you forgetting about Windows Live SkyDrive?

It depends on what OS he's using. It's easy to forget if it doesn't integrate with your system, dude!!

Edited by xendrome, Aug 28 2010, 11:32pm :

Northgrove said,

It depends on what OS he's using. It's easy to forget if it doesn't integrate with your f'ing system, dude!!

??? Skydrive is browser based, which system can't interact with it?

BoneyardBrew said,

Are you forgetting about Windows Live SkyDrive?

the branding/ PR is horrible from MS. The Live Mesh whatever should be just called skydrive use that 25 GB capacity for sync / cloud storage

AgentGray said,

way to not understand the product. It can sync as much data as you want, to all the computers involved. It just only stores 5 gigs of it to skydrive.

as for smaller then google's email service... Text compresses really really well. Music, video, and complex documents meant to be used on livemesh not so much. That, and Google offers the storage because they know a large portion of the population won't ever use it, or if they do they'll use it very slowly over time. It's very easy for you to right click on a folder and snyc up all 5 gigs in a matter off minutes.

Exactly. +1

Mesh was a great service I'm glad to see that Microsoft is putting it center stage by including it in the live essentials apps.