Windows Live Wave 4 to be named Windows Live Essentials 2011

Microsoft is planning to brand Windows Live Wave 4 Essentials as Windows Live Essentials 2011 when it launches later this year.

The software giant is currently readying a public Windows Live Wave 4 beta which is expected to be widely available in June. Microsoft has reached the end of the Milestone 3 phase of development and is expected to enter the beta period shortly.

Windows Live Essentials, known previously as Windows Live Installer, is a suite of programs offering access to an array of Windows Live services. Essentials includes Windows Live Messenger, Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Writer, Windows Live Movie Maker and more.

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Weren't the downloadable programs already called Windows Live Essentials? Seems that it's actually better to call it Windows Live Essentials 2011 than Windows Live Essentials Wave 4.

I know, MS actually improved the name of something. I'm shocked, too.

Talking about MSN (yeah... I'm still calling it that way! lol), they'd better put all the conversations in tabs arrangement. That and this damn file transfering dating from the first versions of msn. shame!!

Redestium said,

They're adding advertisements to all the live programs?

Only on web based stuff, hotmail, skydrive, cal...etc. If you pay $19 a year (hotmaiil plus) the are removed. Not a bad price compared to $89 for MobileMe and MobileMe does not have a free version with ads.

Sebianoti said,

iLife you have to buy, this on the other hand is free...

No it comes on a Disc when you buy a new system. Sorry that you are wrong, but I guess you are having a bad day. Better luck tomorrow.

Pam14160 said,

No it comes on a Disc when you buy a new system. Sorry that you are wrong, but I guess you are having a bad day. Better luck tomorrow.

Yes a bad day... Thanks

Pam14160 said,

No it comes on a Disc when you buy a new system. Sorry that you are wrong, but I guess you are having a bad day. Better luck tomorrow.

http://store.apple.com/us/prod.../A/iLife-09?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
iLife costs $79.99. Family Pack is $99.99. Microsoft doesn't make their customers from Windows Vista pay this. I'm really tired of Mac fanboys saying they get everything for free with no ads...Snow Leopard for $29.99...etc... That Apple Tax is on all new Macs and it pays for that Snow Leopard operating system full price, it also includes iLife for it's full price, and anything else you purchased. Snow Leopard Retail is priced at $29.99 because customers with Leopard on their Macs have paid for that Apple Tax up to the point of Leopard, so it basically pays that new Apple Tax debt off your new Snow Leopard Retail copy. iLife doesn't come with Snow Leopard Retail either. It comes with the Mac Box Set priced at $169.00 though. Maybe you should learn more about what you are talking about, the Snow Leopard Retail copy is supposed to be an upgrade while the Mac Box Set is supposed to be the full deal including iLife. Because it only runs on a Mac, the Snow Leopard Retail copy can clean install. So it's a rip-off other than you are getting iLife with the Mac Box Set. The Family Pack of the Mac Box Set costs $229.00, same price as my iPod Touch 2nd Gen when I had one last year.

APPLE = RIP-OFF

Microsoft is giving every Windows Vista and Windows 7 customer a free copy of this like they should since it has ads.

wtf... iLife is much more powerful than Live Essentials, what's this comparison all about? They aren't even the same tools... It's not exactly shipping web design software and an amateur musician studio with pro sound pack addons. The only similar tool here is iMovie and Movie Maker!

I'm not saying iLife has a justified price or not, but I'm saying this thread is crap.

Edited by Northgrove, May 11 2010, 11:31am :

Northgrove said,
wtf... iLife is much more powerful than Live Essentials, what's this comparison all about? They aren't even the same tools... It's not exactly shipping web design software and an amateur musician studio with pro sound pack addons. The only similar tool here is iMovie and Movie Maker!

I'm not saying iLife has a justified price or not, but I'm saying this thread is crap.

Well Photo Gallery and iPhoto are similar, you can also compare WLM and mail (though not part of iLife, but could be). WLE doesnt have Garage Band but iLife doesn't have WL Writer, an excellent blogging tool. They are more comparable for the end user's needs than you make it out to be.

Electric Jolt said,

http://store.apple.com/us/prod.../A/iLife-09?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
iLife costs $79.99. Family Pack is $99.99. Microsoft doesn't make their customers from Windows Vista pay this. I'm really tired of Mac fanboys saying they get everything for free with no ads...Snow Leopard for $29.99...etc... That Apple Tax is on all new Macs and it pays for that Snow Leopard operating system full price, it also includes iLife for it's full price, and anything else you purchased. Snow Leopard Retail is priced at $29.99 because customers with Leopard on their Macs have paid for that Apple Tax up to the point of Leopard, so it basically pays that new Apple Tax debt off your new Snow Leopard Retail copy. iLife doesn't come with Snow Leopard Retail either. It comes with the Mac Box Set priced at $169.00 though. Maybe you should learn more about what you are talking about, the Snow Leopard Retail copy is supposed to be an upgrade while the Mac Box Set is supposed to be the full deal including iLife. Because it only runs on a Mac, the Snow Leopard Retail copy can clean install. So it's a rip-off other than you are getting iLife with the Mac Box Set. The Family Pack of the Mac Box Set costs $229.00, same price as my iPod Touch 2nd Gen when I had one last year.

APPLE = RIP-OFF

Microsoft is giving every Windows Vista and Windows 7 customer a free copy of this like they should since it has ads.

And the best part about it is that a-patch will clean those too after install

Pam14160 said,

No it comes on a Disc when you buy a new system. Sorry that you are wrong, but I guess you are having a bad day. Better luck tomorrow.

True, but when iLife 10 or 11 comes out are you going to get it free? No, you are going to buy it or buy a new Mac and get it as part of the inflated price.

Northgrove said,
wtf... iLife is much more powerful than Live Essentials, what's this comparison all about? They aren't even the same tools... It's not exactly shipping web design software and an amateur musician studio with pro sound pack addons. The only similar tool here is iMovie and Movie Maker!

I'm not saying iLife has a justified price or not, but I'm saying this thread is crap.

I have Mac's and MobileMe. Live Essentials is a set of tools that is really a iLife and MobiileMe competitor.

Comparing this new version of Live essentials wave 4 (2011) to MobileMe and iLife...

Photo Gallery wave 4 > iPhoto
Movie Maker wave 4 = iMovie (both have weak areas)
iTunes is iTunes =
Garage Band > .......great for Music people.
SkyDrive >> iDisk (iDisk does allow for large files, but its god awful slow and 10gig vs sky drive 25gig)
Hotmail wave 4 with Active Sync >> MobileMe email/cal/address book.
iWeb is better than nothing on the MS side but iWeb is very weak.
Both can make DVD's.

Windows 7 with Live essentials 2011 > Snow Leopard with iLife and MobileMe IMHO. Oh and Live Essentials is FREE.

rrode74 said,

I have Mac's and MobileMe. Live Essentials is a set of tools that is really a iLife and MobiileMe competitor.

Comparing this new version of Live essentials wave 4 (2011) to MobileMe and iLife...

Photo Gallery wave 4 > iPhoto
Movie Maker wave 4 = iMovie (both have weak areas)
iTunes is iTunes =
Garage Band > .......great for Music people.
SkyDrive >> iDisk (iDisk does allow for large files, but its god awful slow and 10gig vs sky drive 25gig)
Hotmail wave 4 with Active Sync >> MobileMe email/cal/address book.
iWeb is better than nothing on the MS side but iWeb is very weak.
Both can make DVD's.

Windows 7 with Live essentials 2011 > Snow Leopard with iLife and MobileMe IMHO. Oh and Live Essentials is FREE.

And, although not part of Live Essentials, Microsoft does offer free web design software that includes a very powerful database for free. Visual Studio 2010 Web Express can be downloaded for that - not sure how iWeb compares but I know VS 2010 is pretty nice.

My take:
01). Windows Live Photo Gallery = iPhoto
02). Windows Live Movie Maker = iMovie (past versions of iMovie were better)
03). Windows DVD maker < iDVD
04). Windows Live Writer >> iWeb
05). WMP or Zune software < iTunes (even though it is buggy and slow)... close
06). Garage band = (?)... Microsoft needs something here

All said, not bad for not having to pay for or buy a new computer to get these features. The exception is iTunes not be part of iLife anymore and always being available to all.

(the rest... not part of iLife)
07). Sky Drive >> than iDisk
08). Windows Live Mail > than Mail
09). Internet Explorer << Safari (webkit is better)
10). Studio Express <<<<< Xcode (its got good SDKs for free, like iPhone)

Microsoft here needs a full version of Visual Studio at no charge that comes with Windows (pro or higher on a bonus disk). They of course don't need to do this given that they own the market and don't really need to encourage development. Still it would be nice... include SDK for Zune, Windows Mobile and Xbox and than of course get hit by multiple antitrust lawsuits.

Electric Jolt said,
Microsoft is giving every Windows Vista and Windows 7 customer a free copy of this like they should since it has ads.

Well I'd pay up to 9.99 for a no-ad version. lol

bluarash said,
My take:
01). Windows Live Photo Gallery = iPhoto
02). Windows Live Movie Maker = iMovie (past versions of iMovie were better)
03). Windows DVD maker < iDVD
04). Windows Live Writer >> iWeb
05). WMP or Zune software < iTunes (even though it is buggy and slow)... close
06). Garage band = (?)... Microsoft needs something here

All said, not bad for not having to pay for or buy a new computer to get these features. The exception is iTunes not be part of iLife anymore and always being available to all.

(the rest... not part of iLife)
07). Sky Drive >> than iDisk
08). Windows Live Mail > than Mail
09). Internet Explorer << Safari (webkit is better)
10). Studio Express <<<<< Xcode (its got good SDKs for free, like iPhone)

Microsoft here needs a full version of Visual Studio at no charge that comes with Windows (pro or higher on a bonus disk). They of course don't need to do this given that they own the market and don't really need to encourage development. Still it would be nice... include SDK for Zune, Windows Mobile and Xbox and than of course get hit by multiple antitrust lawsuits.

Visual Studio 2010 Express Edition is still free.

PGHammer said,

Visual Studio 2010 Express Edition is still free.

Yes, but it is crippled. Microsoft could offer so much more. Xcode is not limited and it is free as well. It was just a thought. I think putting a full version of Visual Studio on Pro and Ultimate CDs (and licenses) would be a great way to entice the sales. It beats domain (unless you need it) and XPmode (again, unless you need it). If they want to they could continue to offer corporate editions and uber editons at cost, and they could continue to charge the mass amount of cash that they do for the MSDN library.

bluarash said,

Yes, but it is crippled. Microsoft could offer so much more. Xcode is not limited and it is free as well. It was just a thought. I think putting a full version of Visual Studio on Pro and Ultimate CDs (and licenses) would be a great way to entice the sales. It beats domain (unless you need it) and XPmode (again, unless you need it). If they want to they could continue to offer corporate editions and uber editons at cost, and they could continue to charge the mass amount of cash that they do for the MSDN library.

You're comparing VS 2010 Express with VS 2010 Pro/Ultimate. I'd be more interested in how, exactly, Xcode compares with VS 2010 Express. I use VS 2010 Ultimate so not sure what the limits of Express are but I also have SQL Enterprise but choose to use SQL Express for development because it's so much easier. I believe VS 2010 Express comes with SQL Express. I haven't seen another dev environment with such nice integration of HTML/Asp.net/Database(SQL)/Javascript/ and actual coding (c# in my case) as Visual Studio.

BTW, I was just watching http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/SVC09 which shows that even Windows Azure development can be done for free using VS 2010 Express. What limits of the Express Edition are you talking about?

bluarash said,

Yes, but it is crippled. Microsoft could offer so much more. Xcode is not limited and it is free as well. It was just a thought. I think putting a full version of Visual Studio on Pro and Ultimate CDs (and licenses) would be a great way to entice the sales. It beats domain (unless you need it) and XPmode (again, unless you need it). If they want to they could continue to offer corporate editions and uber editons at cost, and they could continue to charge the mass amount of cash that they do for the MSDN library.


They would offer more, but MS would actually like to have an incentive to spend money on VS Pro/Ultimate. If they offered all that for free no one would buy Pro/Ultimate.

Electric Jolt said,

http://store.apple.com/us/prod.../A/iLife-09?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
iLife costs $79.99. Family Pack is $99.99. Microsoft doesn't make their customers from Windows Vista pay this. I'm really tired of Mac fanboys saying they get everything for free with no ads...Snow Leopard for $29.99...etc... That Apple Tax is on all new Macs and it pays for that Snow Leopard operating system full price, it also includes iLife for it's full price, and anything else you purchased. Snow Leopard Retail is priced at $29.99 because customers with Leopard on their Macs have paid for that Apple Tax up to the point of Leopard, so it basically pays that new Apple Tax debt off your new Snow Leopard Retail copy. iLife doesn't come with Snow Leopard Retail either. It comes with the Mac Box Set priced at $169.00 though. Maybe you should learn more about what you are talking about, the Snow Leopard Retail copy is supposed to be an upgrade while the Mac Box Set is supposed to be the full deal including iLife. Because it only runs on a Mac, the Snow Leopard Retail copy can clean install. So it's a rip-off other than you are getting iLife with the Mac Box Set. The Family Pack of the Mac Box Set costs $229.00, same price as my iPod Touch 2nd Gen when I had one last year.

APPLE = RIP-OFF

Microsoft is giving every Windows Vista and Windows 7 customer a free copy of this like they should since it has ads.

Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade ($119.99)
+ Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
= $119.99

Mac OS X Snow Leopard Upgrade ($29.99)
+ iLife '09 Upgrade ($79.99)
= $109.98

Windows 7 Home Premium ($199.99)
+ Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
= $199.99

Mac Box Set ($169.00) contains:
* Mac OS X Snow Leopard
* iLife '09
* iWork '09
= $169.00

Somebody failed in math class.

Oh, and to thoroughly finish this ass kicking: I used Windows 7 Home Premium, not Windows 7 Ultimate, yet every version of Mac OS X *is* the Ultimate version because there is 1 SKU.

cowlick said,

Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade ($119.99)
+ Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
= $119.99

Mac OS X Snow Leopard Upgrade ($29.99)
+ iLife '09 Upgrade ($79.99)
= $109.98

Windows 7 Home Premium ($199.99)
+ Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
= $199.99

Mac Box Set ($169.00) contains:
* Mac OS X Snow Leopard
* iLife '09
* iWork '09
= $169.00

Somebody failed in math class.

Oh, and to thoroughly finish this ass kicking: I used Windows 7 Home Premium, not Windows 7 Ultimate, yet every version of Mac OS X *is* the Ultimate version because there is 1 SKU.

Windows 7 Home Premium OEM full version from NewEgg ($99)
Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 with full Active Sync, unlimited storage for email and 25gig Sky drive($0.00)
=$99

Snow Leopard Box Set with iLife, iWork ($169)
MobileMe for one year from Amazon ($65)
=$234

Oh and to complete the ass kicking: COPY and PASTE...and....resize a Windows from every side, included FREE with every copy of Windows.

j3f3m said,

You're comparing VS 2010 Express with VS 2010 Pro/Ultimate. I'd be more interested in how, exactly, Xcode compares with VS 2010 Express. I use VS 2010 Ultimate so not sure what the limits of Express are but I also have SQL Enterprise but choose to use SQL Express for development because it's so much easier. I believe VS 2010 Express comes with SQL Express. I haven't seen another dev environment with such nice integration of HTML/Asp.net/Database(SQL)/Javascript/ and actual coding (c# in my case) as Visual Studio.

BTW, I was just watching http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/SVC09 which shows that even Windows Azure development can be done for free using VS 2010 Express. What limits of the Express Edition are you talking about?

http://developer.apple.com/technologies/tools/features.html

As for Studio Express, it is lacking in features and the ability to use add-ons. This is not the best article, but it does discuss some of the short comings of MSSQL Express and the edition limitations. I think what hurts it most is the limited ability to use third party products, memory and CPU usage limits among other things. It even lacks the full MSDN Library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio_Express

Edited by azure.sapphire, May 12 2010, 4:57am :

rrode74 said,

Windows 7 Home Premium OEM full version from NewEgg ($99)
Windows Live Essentials ($0.00)
Windows Live Hotmail Wave 4 with full Active Sync, unlimited storage for email and 25gig Sky drive($0.00)
=$99

Which requires you to buy new hardware, otherwise you are violating the OEM agreement - that means it is illegal. Period.

I also like how you totally ignored the fact that Mac OS X has a single SKU which has everything in it. Have it your way, though: Windows 7 Ultimate OEM from Newegg.com is $174.99.

rrode74 said,

Snow Leopard Box Set with iLife, iWork ($169)
MobileMe for one year from Amazon ($65)
=$234

If you're going to get MobileMe from Amazon (which they actually sell for $64.90), why not the Mac Box Set (which they sell for $133.95), too?

Total: $198.85, or $23.86 more than your [illegal] copy of Windows 7. Let's see what $23.86 buys:

1. Pages - Word is not included with Windows
2. Keynote - PowerPoint is not included with Windows
3. Numbers - Excel is not included with Windows
4. GarageBand - no Microsoft equivalent
5. iWeb - far exceeds the functionality of Windows Live Writer
6. iDVD - far exceeds the functionality of Windows DVD Maker

Oh, and lets not forget that Mac OS X is the only operating system in the world that includes Exchange support for free. Amazon sells Outlook 2007 for $87.94, the reduced-functionality Office Starter 2010 will only include ad-supported versions of Word and Excel.

rrode74 said,

Oh and to complete the ass kicking: COPY and PASTE...and....resize a Windows from every side, included FREE with every copy of Windows.

Well...you got me there. It really is a drag paying Apple 99¢ every time I want to cut, copy, and paste in Mac OS X.

Edited by cowlick, May 12 2010, 12:31pm :

cowlick said,

Oh, and lets not forget that Mac OS X is the only operating system in the world that includes Exchange support for free. Amazon sells Outlook 2007 for $87.94, the reduced-functionality Office Starter 2010 will only include ad-supported versions of Word and Excel.

Now obviously almost no home users use Exchange for their personal e-mail; I've only met one person going that far out, but while you're pulling stuff out of your behind I figured I might as well point out that Mac OS X includes lots of little things like that which you have to pay for on Windows.

bluarash said,

http://developer.apple.com/technologies/tools/features.html

As for Studio Express, it is lacking in features and the ability to use add-ons. This is not the best article, but it does discuss some of the short comings of MSSQL Express and the edition limitations. I think what hurts it most is the limited ability to use third party products, memory and CPU usage limits among other things. It even lacks the full MSDN Library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio_Express

I checked out the Xcode link. Like I said earlier, I don't use the express versions so I was wondering why you rated it as:
10). Studio Express <<<<< Xcode (its got good SDKs for free, like iPhone)

You mention some of the limits of SQL Express (which I do use) but I didn't see any equivalent integrated in Xcode. Again I think you're comparing SQL Express with SQL Standard/Enterprise. I think, like cowlick, you're assuming that since Apple offers one version, it's as good as MS's best version. I was just curious how Xcode compared with MS's free version. So far MS's comes with a pretty awesome database (though not as good as their best database) as well as a graphical db editor built in and Xcode has none?

I did notice that Xcode has a profiler/code coverage report but VS Express doesn't include that. I don't use those tools very often but when they're needed they're pretty important. Also, wikipedia claims xCode doesn't have true intellisense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...ed_development_environments - called Autocomplete on the Wikipedia page)? That would be a very big deal and I find it hard to believe. Can you confirm that? If true I'd say that'd alone would put Xcode < VS Express as that is used constantly throughout the day.

One last thing - you mentioned one of the advantages of Xcode is that it comes with free iPhone sdk. I noticed that Windows Phone 7 dev tools (free) integrate with VS Express so the two IDEs seem about the same there.

As much as people make fun of them, MS does often have pretty crappy names for their products... How about just call it Live 4 or something?

primexx said,
As much as people make fun of them, MS does often have pretty crappy names for their products... How about just call it Live 4 or something?

What's wrong with having a year date for things? THey've been doing it forever with Office, and have done it with Windows itself. People don't care as much either way.

primexx said,
As much as people make fun of them, MS does often have pretty crappy names for their products... How about just call it Live 4 or something?

So an arbitrary number vs. arbitrary year.. much more sense.

Maybe by putting a date on the end they will release updates to these programs more often. I love Live Mail, but it seems to not get along completely with Windows 7. (I run it in Vista compatibility mode to allow for it to hide in the tray instead of cluttering my taskbar).

That's because the tray in Windows 7 is used for other stuff now. Live Mail and Live Messenger both aren't in the tray anymore while being used in Windows 7. Live Messenger even has changes made to the taskbar item so that it works better on 7 compared with the older version of it.

Capric0rn said,
That's because the tray in Windows 7 is used for other stuff now. Live Mail and Live Messenger both aren't in the tray anymore while being used in Windows 7. Live Messenger even has changes made to the taskbar item so that it works better on 7 compared with the older version of it.

...but I'm still running it in Vista compatibility mode for the icon not to clutter my superbar. I want it to run in the background. Heck... the better integration I've seen so far is epiphany on ubuntu 10.04

Mail doesn't even support Jump Lists, so it really is just clutter on the taskbar. I wouldn't mind it so much if I could have sections to the superbar instead of just everything clumped together.

I was sure it was already called Windows Live Essentials... Doesn't Windows 7 have a "Download Windows Live Essentials" download link in the start menu of a fresh install?

Fred 69 said,
I was sure it was already called Windows Live Essentials... Doesn't Windows 7 have a "Download Windows Live Essentials" download link in the start menu of a fresh install?

I did a recent clean installation of Windows 7, do not recall seeing that. I remember Vista did.

Fred 69 said,
I was sure it was already called Windows Live Essentials... Doesn't Windows 7 have a "Download Windows Live Essentials" download link in the start menu of a fresh install?

It's an optional update in Windows update

Fred 69 said,
I was sure it was already called Windows Live Essentials... Doesn't Windows 7 have a "Download Windows Live Essentials" download link in the start menu of a fresh install?

You are correct, it was renamed Windows Live Essentials in 2008.

Fred 69 said,
I was sure it was already called Windows Live Essentials... Doesn't Windows 7 have a "Download Windows Live Essentials" download link in the start menu of a fresh install?

yes it does

DarkNovaGamer said,

I did a recent clean installation of Windows 7, do not recall seeing that. I remember Vista did.

It's in the "Getting Started" item on the Start menu.