Windows Mobile 7 details start to leak out

As we get closer to Mobile World Congress, the details surrounding Windows Mobile 7 seem to become clearer each day. WMExperts have let out a bunch of details that they believe are the real deal when it comes to WM7 (Windows Mobile 7).

They state that there will be two versions of the platform, Windows Mobile Seven Business Edition and Windows Mobile Seven Media Edition, although WMExperts reports that both versions will be called “Seven”.    The emphasis for the Media Edition will be HD media playback, Xbox Live integration, Facebook, Twitter, Silverlight and many other features.

The Business Edition will focus on the corporations who want security and reliability as well as third party vendors. This version will allow for third party manufactures to use their own UI if they choose; so expect to see companies like HTC put their Sense UI on top of this platform.  This platform will get better battery life and be less resource intensive when compared against the Media Edition.

Finally, Microsoft will also be showing off a new cloud based assisted GPS that is supposed to speed up the initial lock-on when trying to aquire your location; this platform is called “Orion”.  The target is for the user to be able to locate themselves using “Orion”  in less than a second and would be within 300 meters.  A warm or hot start is targeting 10 meters in less than .25 seconds.

A lot of speculative details have been potentially uncovered.  While all of these seem legitimate and follow Microsoft’s core strategy ( multiple versions of the OS) they are all still rumors.

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I wasnt sold on this idea at first but I hope they do this it makes alot of sense provided the business version is cheaper. It would give oems the ability to produce a device without the media features and enable them to buy a WinMo7 license at a cheaper cost to the media version. It states that the business one is also capable of having the oem overlay applied to it. That means HTC can continue to develop and use its highly acclaimed SenseUI and produce a total cheaper WinMo experience...likely targeted at business or just a generally cheaper winMo device.

The media version allows for Microsoft to fix one of the biggest problems with WinMo and to adopt one of iphone/ipod/ZuneHD's biggest advantages. By not allowing OEMs to customise it with overlays etc, it will mean any device shipping the media version is gonna be packing all the right features and youre going to get a fully fluid and working out of the box exprience just like you do when you boot your brand new iphone or ZuneHD. This of course assumes a pretty radical and graphics rich UI which I think were all hoping to see.

All we need now is iphone to be able to dual boot into wm
I think the development in windows mobile is not given enough time and thus goes no where fast

Gazzanet said,
All we need now is iphone to be able to dual boot into wm
I think the development in windows mobile is not given enough time and thus goes no where fast

WM releases are less frequent than you might think. Yes there are frequent leaks of beta/testing builds (WM6.5.3 and now 6.5.5 are prime examples) but they are not actual releases. On the other hand, the progress they have done, the enhancements present in the latest builds, are incredible. In a very short time they changed to a snappier, more touch friendly mobile OS, albeit, it is still FAR behind Android in terms of eye candy and friendliness - some applets related to configuration are still not touch oriented.

To those bitching about the 2 editions of WM7, remember. WM already comes in 2 editions; Standard (for non-touch devices) and professional (for touch devices). This really isn't that different TBH...

Ok, now what is really important: what did they do with the user interface. I cant wait till the first screenshots (or beta's) start leaking. The HTC HD2 is the only confirmed phone that is gonna have Win7 mobile on it?

depl0y said,
Ok, now what is really important: what did they do with the user interface. I cant wait till the first screenshots (or beta's) start leaking. The HTC HD2 is the only confirmed phone that is gonna have Win7 mobile on it?

Don't know yet, nothing offical so you'll have to wait and see.

depl0y said,
Ok, now what is really important: what did they do with the user interface. I cant wait till the first screenshots (or beta's) start leaking. The HTC HD2 is the only confirmed phone that is gonna have Win7 mobile on it?

It was confirmed by HTC affiliates that the HD2 would get a WinMo7 update but then the page was quickly taken down. I dont think theres any doubt the HD2 can run WinMo7 its really just a matter weather HTC give you the upgrade or you have to wait for a cook over at Xda-developers to fry you up one.

To those complaining about editions...

Many companies to not buy iPhones for their employees because of the cost of iPhones and their added service costs for the data plans cost more then even BlackBerry's.

Media version = you need a higher priced phone and probably a higher cost data plan
Business version = cheaper phone (no HD) and possible a cheaper data plan. As a manager why would I want my employees playing around on Youtube, FaceBook, Twitter and watching HD movies on a phone that is meant for business that I'm paying for with my budget?

I love it when people bitch before they look at the whole picture, just points out who's opinions I should ignore.

HouseOfLeaves said,
To those complaining about editions...

Many companies to not buy iPhones for their employees because of the cost of iPhones and their added service costs for the data plans cost more then even BlackBerry's.

Media version = you need a higher priced phone and probably a higher cost data plan
Business version = cheaper phone (no HD) and possible a cheaper data plan. As a manager why would I want my employees playing around on Youtube, FaceBook, Twitter and watching HD movies on a phone that is meant for business that I'm paying for with my budget?

I love it when people bitch before they look at the whole picture, just points out who's opinions I should ignore.

You're pretty much spot on. And it's not like the business version probably couldn't turn on those media features as well. They could be in there but just turned off by default for all we know.

AltecXP said,
To those complaining about editions...

Many companies to not buy iPhones for their employees because of the cost of iPhones and their added service costs for the data plans cost more then even BlackBerry's.

Media version = you need a higher priced phone and probably a higher cost data plan
Business version = cheaper phone (no HD) and possible a cheaper data plan. As a manager why would I want my employees playing around on Youtube, FaceBook, Twitter and watching HD movies on a phone that is meant for business that I'm paying for with my budget?

I love it when people bitch before they look at the whole picture, just points out who's opinions I should ignore.

Thank you... someone that actually uses their brain and isn't a hipster living out of mom and pop's basement.

In the case of the MS rumored media phone, what business user needs xbox live. lol
Now, if I need all of the above, I'll get the premium, if I don't I get the regular.

Besides this is all just rumor. Maybe Project Pink and xYz are yet additional SKUs. ;-)

Remember, there are thousands and thousands of applications written for classic windows moble. lots of which for VERY well paying enterprise customers... so if you want all that functionality... and you also want a compleatly new UI with none of the retro interfaces a lot of enterprise apps depend on. You also want lots of storage for music movies and your emails and all other personal information, even though you know storage is at a premium, and functionally two entirely seperate platforms.

Me thinks you want to much. If it's, which I think it is, a split that continues to optimize/stabalize/improve the WM classic platform for businesses and gives the average new consumer a new and streamlined base OS... isn't that a good thing? Lets them walk away from legacy interfaces while giving businesses a way to continue to make money and pay them.

Microsoft has continued to make good decisions all the way though the last couple of years, and they've done it without ****ing off a major market yet.

well.. first theres sure gonna be enough apps to fix the lack of functions on both versions.. cuz without something like that they cant compare to android or iphone or nokia for that purpose anyway..
and nokia also has its business mobiles and its xpress music mobiles why not have media magic and buisness 7

Oh please! Windows Mobile is bad enough as is. Providing separate editions will only serve to further turn potential users away, who will instead opt for an alternative such as Palm, BlackBerry, iPhone, Symbian/Nokia, or Android. Microsoft should just abandon Windows Mobile and instead, develop business software for the other platforms. Now that, I could see Microsoft excel in.

:: Lyon :: said,
Hopefully my HTC Touch Pro 2 can be upgraded to Win Mo 7 :(

It sounds like you would be able to upgrade to the business edition with a cooked rom but the media edition would have built for and targeted to snapdragon and media heavy devices, ie HD2.

mikash said,
Will you be able to upgrade from windows mobile 6.5 to 7?

I believe that depends on the phone. Some of them are supposed to be offering upgrades, but I'm thinking it will be less likely than the phones upgrading from 6.1 to 6.5, and most of them didn't offer the update for that...

Provided the business edition is cheaper than the media edition it makes pretty good sense. IF these details are correct anyway its a good sign the media edition will be a graphics rich sexy consumer experience

you know, they could be two different DEVELOPMENT platforms, both capable of running on the same phones... or operating environments running the same backend. Dosn't nessairly mean that they will be two different bases... or that they need to remain that way. Business could keep a lot of the legacy functionality/interfaces for already-designed enterprise apps while media will be allowed to ignore those kinds of things and move off in it's own direction.

Yups they should just have 1 edition to rule them all. Why not enable/disable core features with simple switch? Like you turn on/off bluetooth or wireless!!!

wrack said,
Yups they should just have 1 edition to rule them all. Why not enable/disable core features with simple switch? Like you turn on/off bluetooth or wireless!!!

Maybe the business version will be like that? Look at windows server vs win7. The flashy UI effects are off on server by default so you can use the whole hardware for work etc, but you can turn them back on if you want and make server more like a workstation.

So why not the same here? I expect WM7 to end up pretty moduler like win7 itself, so just turning things on that are off by default could very well be as simple as opening up the settings panel.

GP007 said,

Maybe the business version will be like that? Look at windows server vs win7. The flashy UI effects are off on server by default so you can use the whole hardware for work etc, but you can turn them back on if you want and make server more like a workstation.

So why not the same here? I expect WM7 to end up pretty moduler like win7 itself, so just turning things on that are off by default could very well be as simple as opening up the settings panel.

That would make sense, but then when starting the device it should just have two profiles "Consumer" and "Business" and set default properties depending on what you choose. Shipping two versions is suicide... The market just isn't built like that. Businesses don't have a separate phone list they look at when purchasing their phones...

KeR said,
I really don't get the separation of flavors/options, especially in this case.

Business/power users don't want or need a flashy UI to drool over like normal folk. That's pretty much the difference between the two (if there will be two that is). It makes sense just fine.

GP007 said,

Business/power users don't want or need a flashy UI to drool over like normal folk. That's pretty much the difference between the two (if there will be two that is). It makes sense just fine.

Exactly. They've already got two versions out there and there seems to be no complaints. It was most notable for both 6.1 with the front-end home screen interface.

GP007 said,

Business/power users don't want or need a flashy UI to drool over like normal folk. That's pretty much the difference between the two (if there will be two that is). It makes sense just fine.

How about they give the user the option? Like on first startup ask the user, media/flashy interface, or simplified business interface.

Not every power user/business user is going to want the same thing, I bet there are a lot of business folks running around with iPhones... rather than a Blackberry.

Wow. Microsoft just doesn't "get it." Users don't want (or really need to) choose between feature sets of multiple versions. In fact, the added confusion and ambiguity of it all will probably mean that users will go to another mobile OS platform where the choices are clear.

I want the version with ALL the features. I don't want to choose between half the features and decide which half I want more. Ridiculous.

Shadrack said,
Wow. Microsoft just doesn't "get it." Users don't want (or really need to) choose between feature sets of multiple versions. In fact, the added confusion and ambiguity of it all will probably mean that users will go to another mobile OS platform where the choices are clear.

I want the version with ALL the features. I don't want to choose between half the features and decide which half I want more. Ridiculous.

im sure the chefs will cook up a rom with all features. too bad no phones but the hd2 will run it as of now. two versions=fail!

Hehehe comments like these make me think MS purposely "leaked" this info and probe people's reactions and criticisms while not affecting its stock price and PR.
but yeah, I agree with you.

Edited by noPCtoday, Jan 19 2010, 12:27am :

smooth3006 said,

im sure the chefs will cook up a rom with all features. too bad no phones but the hd2 will run it as of now. two versions=fail!

Acer's neoTouch S200 (F1) is more than capable of running it as well as HTC's HD2. So is the Acer Liquid, hardware wise at least, though that's an Android phone. :p

Shadrack said,
Wow. Microsoft just doesn't "get it." Users don't want (or really need to) choose between feature sets of multiple versions. In fact, the added confusion and ambiguity of it all will probably mean that users will go to another mobile OS platform where the choices are clear.

I want the version with ALL the features. I don't want to choose between half the features and decide which half I want more. Ridiculous.

You're making a big deal out of something that's not a big deal. This isn't like windows on the desktop. If there indded is 2 versions the business one will find it's way on phones that are sold to business and so on. Those consumers you talk about who will be walking into phone stores at some mall will see the media versions on sale with those specific phones.

You can have 2 versions just fine, and the media version will have everything by the looks of it. The business/lite version will also probably be able to turn those features on or re-install them if you want. Most of what business will lack would be the MS specific and flashy UI with all the eye candy that business users don't actually care about.

There is no giant difference in features, only looks.

I would have seen it the other way around, like for the desktop client. Business users are the more likely to pay premium and should get the whole feature set, on top of all the new UI (which must be easier to use at some point, see the iPhone thing), and the home users only get their multimedia stuff. The business user does not spend 100% of its time working, so why would not he want the other stuff too?

Maybe Exchange connection, third party security and modularity could be reduces or removed from the "multimedia only" version?

Just a thought though.

I agree, there should be only one version. I hope Microsoft realizes that as well, because if they continue with multiple versions they're going to hurt their chances...

GP007 said,

You're making a big deal out of something that's not a big deal. This isn't like windows on the desktop. If there indded is 2 versions the business one will find it's way on phones that are sold to business and so on. Those consumers you talk about who will be walking into phone stores at some mall will see the media versions on sale with those specific phones.

You can have 2 versions just fine, and the media version will have everything by the looks of it. The business/lite version will also probably be able to turn those features on or re-install them if you want. Most of what business will lack would be the MS specific and flashy UI with all the eye candy that business users don't actually care about.

There is no giant difference in features, only looks.

Well, we'll have to see about the differences between the two versions if in fact there are two versions.

But mobile phones are a bit different than buying desktop PC's at this point... When you're a business, you buy phones from the same place a consumer does and you pick from the same phones... I don't see that changing.

Shadrack said,
Wow. Microsoft just doesn't "get it." Users don't want (or really need to) choose between feature sets of multiple versions. In fact, the added confusion and ambiguity of it all will probably mean that users will go to another mobile OS platform where the choices are clear.........

I agree, multiple versions is a mistake. Business people want media friendly phones just as much as next person. They should just have it all built-in to the same phone, just enable business centric interface, enable media centric interface, that's if they insist on two different versions of the OS.

I really hope Microsoft abandons this idea... it has fail written all over it IMO.

Use your recent good decisions.... ie. was it a good idea, when Microsoft consolidated Windows Media Center Ed., and Windows Tablet Ed. all into one product??? Yes! Make it easier for yourself Microsoft, and the end-users.

mad_onion said,
I really hope this is good. We need another big player in the mobile OS market.

Me too. But Microsoft's biggest issue with the Windows Mobile platform was that they neglected it. They're not doing that anymore, so I think we definitely have some things to look forward to.