Windows Phone 7 'Mango' hits RTM, carriers now testing [Update] Nope

Microsoft’s upcoming Mango release for its Windows Phone platform is the second major update to the platform. Many consumers have been anxiously awaiting the update as it will bring many new features to the table and will also bring new hardware to retail locations.

If you are one of the many who are waiting for Mango to launch, there is good news. According to the Windows Phone Dev podcast (via WMPoweruser), Mango has reached the RTM stage of development. The gold build is 7710 and is now in the hands of carriers for testing.

This update also represents another chance for Microsoft to prove that it is able to effectively push out updates to multiple devices on multiple carriers. The previous updates did not go as smoothly as Microsoft or consumers had expected. Attempting to update multiple devices on multiple carriers at the same time is not an easy task as there are many variables in the equation.

If you are holding out for the next revision of Microsoft’s mobile OS, the end is near. Even though carriers could slow down the process, you can bet that Microsoft will be putting the pressure on the get this update out the door as soon as possible.

[Update] Microsoft's Bill Cox has just tweeted that Mango has not hit RTM yet but to "stay tuned" about the progress.

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scaramonga said,
Been running it now for over a month, nothing to get excited about lol
Ran it for a day or two on my device and I disagree with you . Threaded messaging, battery saver and smooth scrolling (it doesnt jutter) are all killer features imo

zikalify said,
Ran it for a day or two on my device and I disagree with you . Threaded messaging, battery saver and smooth scrolling (it doesnt jutter) are all killer features imo

Kills my Omnia 7 battery wise, no kill for open apps don't help, everything is just running with no option to exit, Mango, at least, shows you this, but I like to be able to have some control.

scaramonga said,

Kills my Omnia 7 battery wise, no kill for open apps don't help, everything is just running with no option to exit, Mango, at least, shows you this, but I like to be able to have some control.


I'm not sure if you fully understand what is going on in Mango. All the apps which appear in the visual task switcher view (the "multi-tasking" interface), except for the one you currently have open are not running. There is no kill option, because you can't kill them - they're not running in the first place! (they only remain in memory so they can be quickly resumed) - because they never wanted you to have to "babysit" your apps like you do on other platforms.

xnederlandx said,

I'm not sure if you fully understand what is going on in Mango. All the apps which appear in the visual task switcher view (the "multi-tasking" interface), except for the one you currently have open are not running. There is no kill option, because you can't kill them - they're not running in the first place! (they only remain in memory so they can be quickly resumed) - because they never wanted you to have to "babysit" your apps like you do on other platforms.

For God's sake, it's the beta version. I'm sure the real version, like the ones we've seen at Microsoft press conferences with a boatload of more features is not out yet. You wouldn't think they'd release the entire Mango build and leave no surprises in August, right?

scaramonga said,
Been running it now for over a month, nothing to get excited about lol

I don't know how you could not be excited by all of the changes shipping in Mango. This update is huge...

Lachlan said,
Why does this have a google picture on it!?
Maybe Neowin lifted the new Windows phone square logo form google images and then google replaced the image link with their own logo

Does this get updated on the Where's My Update" website? I checked but it's not on there.

Also, the Verizon update is marked as "Planning", does anyone know what that means? That's the one status that isn't explained on the site, which I thought was weird...

M_Lyons10 said,
Does this get updated on the Where's My Update" website? I checked but it's not on there.

Also, the Verizon update is marked as "Planning", does anyone know what that means? That's the one status that isn't explained on the site, which I thought was weird...

Maybe I have the order wrong but isn't Planning after Testing but before Shipping or Delivering? Which means they're close to sending it out but haven't started the process yet.

M_Lyons10 said,
Does this get updated on the Where's My Update" website? I checked but it's not on there.

Also, the Verizon update is marked as "Planning", does anyone know what that means? That's the one status that isn't explained on the site, which I thought was weird...


Never mind, GP0007 cover it.

M_Lyons10 said,
Does this get updated on the Where's My Update" website? I checked but it's not on there.

Also, the Verizon update is marked as "Planning", does anyone know what that means? That's the one status that isn't explained on the site, which I thought was weird...

I wouldn't expect that site to get updated with mango information until Microsoft actually says that mango is going out

GP007 said,

Maybe I have the order wrong but isn't Planning after Testing but before Shipping or Delivering? Which means they're close to sending it out but haven't started the process yet.

Thanks. I found it odd it wasn't described. I mean this update is only a minor security update from what I understand, but I'm curious how long Verizon's going to sit on things... Mango's what I'm really curious about...

And does anyone else find it odd that the Where's My Update site isn't a mobile site? LOL

Sraf said,

I wouldn't expect that site to get updated with mango information until Microsoft actually says that mango is going out

Yeah, I saw above that the news appears to have jumped the gun... I figure once it actually does hit RTM they'll update with "Testing" or whatever...

M_Lyons10 said,

Thanks. I found it odd it wasn't described. I mean this update is only a minor security update from what I understand, but I'm curious how long Verizon's going to sit on things... Mango's what I'm really curious about...

And does anyone else find it odd that the Where's My Update site isn't a mobile site? LOL

Yeah, I saw above that the news appears to have jumped the gun... I figure once it actually does hit RTM they'll update with "Testing" or whatever...

With WP7 having a real browser, why would it need to be a mobile site? It isn't like they are catering to odd browsers on old phones.

thenetavenger said,

With WP7 having a real browser, why would it need to be a mobile site? It isn't like they are catering to odd browsers on old phones.

Oh, I know. It's just not the easiest to scroll around that grid. Not unmanageable or anything, but as I figured most people would be checking this site from their mobile I thought it would make sense...

And honestly, the OS should ship with this as one of the built in bookmarks...

Byron_Hinson said,
Certainly more willing to give WP7 a little bit more of my time with Mango - if I ever get another WP7 handset that is.

I'm definitely getting a new phone. We're discussing moving our company to WP7 when one with good battery life and a slide out keyboard comes to Verizon too...

Byron_Hinson said,
Certainly more willing to give WP7 a little bit more of my time with Mango - if I ever get another WP7 handset that is.

We'll look forward to some more whiny comments on the subject - if you ever write them that is.

smot said,

We'll look forward to some more whiny comments on the subject - if you ever write them that is.

Thanks - I'll try not to disappoint

smot said,

We'll look forward to some more whiny comments on the subject - if you ever write them that is.

You will alwaysy find hilarious comments here.
I vividly remember posts by WP7 worshippers predicting that by the end of the first quarter 2011 WP7 would have achieved two digit numbers marketshare......

Fritzly said,

You will alwaysy find hilarious comments here.
I vividly remember posts by WP7 worshippers predicting that by the end of the first quarter 2011 WP7 would have achieved two digit numbers marketshare......

Really? Who?

Anyone that is/was a phone of WP7 knew that CDMA devices wouldn't even be out til the 1st qtr at the earliest, so a real fan of the product wouldn't have assumed it would be dominating before it was even available in crucial markets.

Additionally with the Verizon iPhone deal and the way WP7 is handled by stores and carriers in the US, it is amazing that any sell, and I think WP7 is a great platform.

WP7/WP8, in maybe 2 years, will have a good chance at owning 40-50% of the new smartphone sales, and I like it, and am optimistic about it...

The version that ships with the NT kernel and runs the same version of Windows as the desktops will be the major shift and the end of the smartphone OS movement, as all computers and phones will be running the same OS bases. And I don't know if Apple can make this happen, which will be a test for their longevity.

It will also be the end of 'Android' and the movement to other Linux distributions for phones as I don't think Google can even keep Android stable and not fragmented to heck, as it is already becoming.

thenetavenger said,

Really? Who?

Anyone that is/was a phone of WP7 knew that CDMA devices wouldn't even be out til the 1st qtr at the earliest, so a real fan of the product wouldn't have assumed it would be dominating before it was even available in crucial markets.

Additionally with the Verizon iPhone deal and the way WP7 is handled by stores and carriers in the US, it is amazing that any sell, and I think WP7 is a great platform.

WP7/WP8, in maybe 2 years, will have a good chance at owning 40-50% of the new smartphone sales, and I like it, and am optimistic about it...

The version that ships with the NT kernel and runs the same version of Windows as the desktops will be the major shift and the end of the smartphone OS movement, as all computers and phones will be running the same OS bases. And I don't know if Apple can make this happen, which will be a test for their longevity.

It will also be the end of 'Android' and the movement to other Linux distributions for phones as I don't think Google can even keep Android stable and not fragmented to heck, as it is already becoming.

Just check the articles, and the related comments, posted between December 2010/ February 2011, you will find plenty of them.

WP7 is not W8; the latter could, and having been a user of MS mobile OSes since the time of Motorola MPX 200 I hope it will, be a success.

As for which company will dominate the market in two, three years from now....... every prediction could be the right one: Palm dominated the market, along came MS and dethroned Palm: after that they made the same mistake of the previous king: they stopped innovating and... along came Apple and then Android. As Polybius and Giambattista Vico wrote "history repeats itself".
One thing is sure though: there will not be a company dominating the market for a very long time as, for example, MS and Intel did for the PC segment.

Good to see they are doing carrier testing before saying they are releasing the update. Hopefully this menas it will all be ready at the same time.

zikalify said,
I'm using an unbranded HTC rom on Mozart. When do I get this?

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

ur wrong.. Unbranded ROMs will also get update.. for example.. in India we do get windows phone 7 without contract.. which is unbranded, and we did get update. so yes all unbranded (non-contract) phones will get update.

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

What are you talking about? Read up, unbranded carrier unlocked devices get updates FIRST and all updates come from MS's servers through the Zune software, the carriers have to give the green light to MS for their own branded phones though. Since this is an OS update it's got nothing to do with HTC, HTC is only doing hardware firmware updates if needed and those go out on their own, as has been the case in the past.

Just wait, MS will let us know when they push it out to unlocked devices in time.

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!


Seriously, when you don't have a ****ing clue what you are talking about, it is better not to say anything at all.

zikalify said,
I'm using an unbranded HTC rom on Mozart. When do I get this?

From memory (and the fact that I was one of the last to get it so i spent longest tracking it), unbranded phones were amongst the first.

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

For your information most of the devices sold in Europe are SIM free, not "Carrier crippled".

Besides SIM free WP7 devices were among the first to receive NoDo.

Fritzly said,

For your information most of the devices sold in Europe are SIM free, not "Carrier crippled".

Besides SIM free WP7 devices were among the first to receive NoDo.

My phone was locked to orange uk with an orange rom installed. As soon as it arrived I took it to the shop to allow me to use a giffgaff sim and then got an unbranded rom. So yh it was crippled and they were preventing nodo so i unbranded the rom

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

Lets just say for a fact that I'll get the update before you.

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

Ya, no...

This is WP7, not Android that depends on the phone MFR to add their drivers and software, then modify the code base for the specific phone, compile, test, bug fix, compile, test, ensure carrier software works, fix, test and then distribute it...

Additionally, since it is WP7, every device will get the update, they are not locked into the version they were purchased with like all new Android phones are becoming, as the MFRs and Carriers can't handle the costs to even roll out 'fixes' let alone new version updates.

rijp said,

You don't... HTC will have to update, which is doubtful. This is why the carriers must do it, because unbranded non-affiliated phones are not part of the update. If you manage to get it, somehow.. which I doubt, you will be LAST!

Be quiet

Sraf said,
Awesome! So when does my NDA come off?

I hate to point out the obvious.. but NDA's are until the product is announced and released to the public. I think your NDA should mention that...

Sraf said,
Awesome! So when does my NDA come off?

I don't think anyone has been taking the NDA seriously... Windows Phone sites have been "leaking" new stuff constantly.

andrewbares said,

I don't think anyone has been taking the NDA seriously... Windows Phone sites have been "leaking" new stuff constantly.

Some of the stuff I've seen hasn't been mentioned, I don't want to incite any corporate rage in my direction

Sraf said,

The Dev beta has an NDA on it


It had an NDA, it quickly altered allowing the discussion and posting of images/videos.

SoyoS said,

It had an NDA, it quickly altered allowing the discussion and posting of images/videos.

I should go re read it then

Edit: I didn't find anything that lets me talk, maybe I'm missing it

Sraf said,

I should go re read it then

Edit: I didn't find anything that lets me talk, maybe I'm missing it

Yup... You're missing it... It was changed barely 4 days after the beta was released to developers. To quote from their updated agreement :


8. Confidentiality: By participating in this program, the developer agrees to not share the ‘Mango' pre-release device image, binary dumps, or the applications used to update to this pre-release image, with third parties.

I Accept to keep this confidential

And that is it. It now talks ONLY about the Binaries, images or applications to upgrade. That's all. They've removed all other clauses.

If you want to read that, you can go to your log in to your Connect ID and check it out by clicking on the "Acceptance Conditions for access to 'Mango' " under Survey.

Suave Sagittarian said,

Yup... You're missing it... It was changed barely 4 days after the beta was released to developers. To quote from their updated agreement :

And that is it. It now talks ONLY about the Binaries, images or applications to upgrade. That's all. They've removed all other clauses.

If you want to read that, you can go to your log in to your Connect ID and check it out by clicking on the "Acceptance Conditions for access to 'Mango' " under Survey.

I did see that, but there was a lot of ambiguity under that, and when it's not expressedly stated, I err on the side of caution

Anywho, this http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...expanding-outside-usuk-soon

Is also happening in Canada, as I have purchased a few songs up here via Zune

Thief000 said,
Wow! That was fast MS!

They usually are, now to wait another 6 months for the carriers to test and roll it out across the networks!!!

Thief000 said,
Wow! That was fast MS! I hope I can get a flashable ROM for my HD7 ASAP!

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name

rijp said,

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name

Uh you flash ROM's. People have been doing it for years on Windows Mobile.

neo158 said,

They usually are, now to wait another 6 months for the carriers to test and roll it out across the networks!!!


It's unlikely it'll take 6 months. It'll most likely be rolled out quite fast to all devices this time. Microsoft aren't going to mess up with the updating of devices again; it's not all down to the carriers as to why the rollout was slow before.

rijp said,

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name

Flash is a type of EEPROM, or Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory

rijp said,

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name

No, I meant what I said. I want a ROM file to flash on my phone just like I did with the NoDo update for my HD7.

rijp said,

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name


I'm guessing that you've never heard of EEPROMs before, which is what most ROM chips really are.

Callum said,

It's unlikely it'll take 6 months. It'll most likely be rolled out quite fast to all devices this time. Microsoft aren't going to mess up with the updating of devices again; it's not all down to the carriers as to why the rollout was slow before.

Well when you consider some carriers dragged their feet last time, I don't hold out much hope for an improvement this time.

We'll see though, hopefully Microsoft has restricted the amount of time a carrier can test an update this time round.

neo158 said,

Well when you consider some carriers dragged their feet last time, I don't hold out much hope for an improvement this time.

We'll see though, hopefully Microsoft has restricted the amount of time a carrier can test an update this time round.

I wonder how long people like me who paid the full price for their devices, therefore not at the mercy of carriers, will have to wait.

Fritzly said,

I wonder how long people like me who paid the full price for their devices, therefore not at the mercy of carriers, will have to wait.

Historically speaking? Less time than everyone else

rijp said,

Flashable ROM, you are joking right? I think you mean flash RAM, ROM (read ONLY memory) is NOT possible, hence the name

lol