Report: Windows Phone 7 sales underwhelm

Windows Phone 7 went on sale on Monday of this week in the U.S. and the sales were not as strong as Microsoft may have hoped.

According to reports by Thestreet, Microsoft sold 40,000 handsets in the first day sales in the U.S. through AT&T and T-Mobile. The numbers are based on a market research source who tracks phone sales. Microsoft estimated that they would sell 3.5 million devices in the Q4 of this year, but the numbers appear to be falling far shorter than expected.

The sales appear to be weak in the United States for Microsoft, almost as weak as the Microsoft Kin, which sold a mere 10,000 units. These sales figures do not include the 87,000 units allocated to every Microsoft Employee, or the 25,000 units that Dell will be trading their BlackBerrys for.

This may not be great first day news for Microsoft, but the true test lays ahead, as the holiday season in the U.S. quickly approaches, including Black Friday and Christmas. Windows Phone 7 has over 12,000 developers and 1,000 applications in their market place.

Google said last month that they sell 200,000 Android handsets a day, while Apple claims they sell 260,000 iPhone's a day.

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OH Balmer will get his Bonus with Office and WIN7. It's not like he needs the money...

It will take at least a year or two to know the true success of WP7. Many IPHONE customers were given an early upgrade so they took it. Apple hyped it and AT&T sold it. They will not leave for it for something new at this moment. Zune will start to get more recognition due to the WP7 Zune integration. Global Zune markets are opening which will help with the Zune and WP7 brand.

Talking about numbers now is about about useful as talking about how if you had played those winning Lottery Numbers you would have won.

I really enjoy the WP7 phone(HD7) but not TMOBILE's horrible coverage. Don't get me wrong there are quirks. I mean quirks not lack of features. Marketplace hangup which requires a reboot to reset the sandbox. Not enough to make me dislike the OS at all. The apps are really nice and the Metro UI flow works very well to the software developers that continue to follow its flow/design. It is much better looking than the IPHONE and ANDROID apps. The Facebook UI needs an overhaul comparatively speaking to IPHONE or ANDROID.

I downloaded "Where" expecting at least the ANDROID experience with the icons and what not. Well the app really uses the minimalist approach and just has a search. It works very well but its not graphically as nice an Android or IPHONE. Of course these are version 1's and they will improve just like WP7 will improve over time.

It has a lot of potential and haters can continue to hate but I don't think they will go anywhere soon. KIN is coming back and Verizon was the one that kinda hurt that one. The data plan was too expensive for the semi-smart phone that it was. If they can tie a better data plan or lack there of to it then they would be okay. I hope they integrate the KIN and ZUNE desktop together to bring a very good Desktop Application. The KIN had some really nice features that would work well with WP7.

Something Else - the pricing plan is not different from any smartphone out there with these features. IPHONE, DROIDS, Etc. Why are you saying the WP7 are overpriced?

I've seen Android UI and though... icons
I've seen iPhone UI and thought... icons
I've seen Palm UI and thought... icons
I've seen Blackberry UI and thought... icons
I've seen WP7 UI and thought.... YEAH!

I would consider buying one, if you didn't have to be Bill Gates to be able to afford one (not to mention the ridiculously priced contracts)

I think that the OS looks cool and I would love to play with one. But they released too many hardware variants, while not advertising hardly at all. But no, didn't come with the sale numbers iPhone brought. Sorry Microsoft, this is going to be an uphill battle. Hopefully the developers don't get frustrated at the lack of customers and give up on the platform.

Shadrack said,
I think that the OS looks cool and I would love to play with one. But they released too many hardware variants, while not advertising hardly at all. But no, didn't come with the sale numbers iPhone brought. Sorry Microsoft, this is going to be an uphill battle. Hopefully the developers don't get frustrated at the lack of customers and give up on the platform.

my favorite comercial for a phone was the Droid comercial that had the spaceship bring the phone inn (hence the sales figures on that was HUGE) - THAT is what pulls in customers, not a comercial with a whole bunch of people just walking around stareing at their phones

Article seems biased, like many of the comments here. I will reserve my judgement until such time as I have explored what Windows Phone 7 can offer me.

drunkgoat said,
Article seems biased, like many of the comments here. I will reserve my judgement until such time as I have explored what Windows Phone 7 can offer me.

definately save your judgement, this numbers for all i know could potentiall be fake, when i called all my carriers in my area they seemed to be out of stock so this kinda goes against that fact (im heading for the optimus 7 - reason why: its time for something new).

I'm kind of toying with the idea of getting one but, I think I shall wait for better deals around Xmas and the New Year.

Jonessie said,
I'm kind of toying with the idea of getting one but, I think I shall wait for better deals around Xmas and the New Year.

i think 3 yr contract for 90 dollars is good, thats why im getting mine now. i mean minus wel...

Keep in mind that Microsoft is not the one responsible for ensuring that there are enough handsets in the stores. All we do is make the OS and it is the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer to get them to the stores. Microsoft does have a vested interest in working with the carriers/vendors to get them out there but it is not Microsoft'f fault that ATT and T-Mobile didn't order enough or Samsung and others didn't ship enough by the deadline.

MS is not a hardware manufacturer and all we do is ship the OS to the manufacturers.

Wow, it's sad MS once again dropped the ball and didn't include the features the other smart phones have. Not being able to change the ringtone or the homescreen, the lack of e-mail encryption and copy/paste how did MS expect such sales targets tobe hit? Not to mention the lack of a real ad campaign. Seems like once again MS doesn't get the mobile experience. They better get with it. Windows and Office and Server products are not going to be the long-term economic engines they have been thanks to changing tastes and needs of computing devices. Most phones now can do what people orignally bouth a Windows desktop for. Web, e-mail even documents and spreadsheets (granted not a fun task if they're complex). I was hoping the Kin and WinMo would teach them to be proactive with features and customization. It's like they're not listening to what people want from Windows Phone, yet they love to hear from you about Windows 8 ideas...sigh.

DATmafia said,
Wow, it's sad MS once again dropped the ball and didn't include the features the other smart phones have. Not being able to change the ringtone or the homescreen, the lack of e-mail encryption and copy/paste how did MS expect such sales targets tobe hit? Not to mention the lack of a real ad campaign. Seems like once again MS doesn't get the mobile experience. They better get with it. Windows and Office and Server products are not going to be the long-term economic engines they have been thanks to changing tastes and needs of computing devices. Most phones now can do what people orignally bouth a Windows desktop for. Web, e-mail even documents and spreadsheets (granted not a fun task if they're complex). I was hoping the Kin and WinMo would teach them to be proactive with features and customization. It's like they're not listening to what people want from Windows Phone, yet they love to hear from you about Windows 8 ideas...sigh.

i get that your ****ed that all these features didnt make it but when you think about it..its a new sofware, allot of the things you said are missing ARE coming, its just that they arent there yet...once those are implemented (the things most customers just expect because phone (x) has it) you will see features that NO other smartphone has, which this one already has a couple. patience.

Ha ha. I'm not surprised at all. Microsoft's Ad campaign for this phone is horrible. "A Phone you don't need to look at". Yeah that's because it's fugly as hell. No thank you.

Maybe it isn't selling as fast as the iPhone because people outside of the Apple distortion bubble, don't drop what they are doing and run out to buy the newest piece of 'magic'?

Windows 1.0 didnt sell well, in fact Windows 3.0 when released didnt sell very good at first either, and a couple of years was the most popular OS Environment in history.

These numbers are essentially worthless having no real context to the phone market and buyers.

People won't know how well WP7 will do at this time.

The only real markers for its success are the number of device MFRs and Developers commiting to it, which is higher than Android during its first six months, so this is a good indicator for WP7. Especially with many bigger studio developers working on software and gaming titles for it that are not developing for Android or iOS, which has a lot to do with the robust API features of the WP7 platform that DO NOT exist on the other mobile OSes.

its a great OS, and its shaded by its less intreaging 6.5 version. also its Windows phone not windows mobile now so people might not be able to tell the diference either way...id say though that it probobly doesnt have much popularity cause the average population knows "blackberry" or "Iphone" they WOULD NOT know "windows phone" on the first day it came out due to the lack of advertising in-stores and television. i beleive that once people start realizing this new software/hardwares available it probobly will kick up the numbers a bit. (also ive contacted all the telus cariers cause im looking for an optimus 7 and they have none of them left, but they have little and i mean little amounts of HTC surrounds left)

Microsoft is not the giant that it once was..this is clearly an example. Now if we could just get the people to see the same about walmart and its dictatorship dominace then maybe the world canstart to turn itself around.

Maybe they should have opened up more retail stores. Or even better make sure the carriers actually have supply at outlets.
I hate to give it to them but Apple = 1, MS = 0 for this.
Thinking about going Android if I dont get a WP7 by the end of this month.

While it's obvious Microsoft have a long way to go to win the hearts an minds of people who love their obsolete platforms, I predict that these devices are priced at a point where they could totally erode the 'feature phone' market.

Which, last time I looked, was bigger than the smartphone market.
Any phone that I can put my sim into, log into windows live, and have it be exactly like my phone before it is amazing.

Feature phone users should be the target of the marketing, not the silly smartphone addicts who love their existing platforms.

I'm saving up to buy one, I've always stayed off contract so to buy one i need to save like $500. A lot of people will probley wait until the holidays when they have money to buy it.

Considering that the iPhone took 74 days just to reach 1 million sales and the G1 took 6 months to achieve the same feat, did anyone actually think that WP7 would have any better luck right out of the gate?

FFS, did anyone expect iPhone numbers on the first day of availability of a brand-new mobile OS that's not yet as well-known outside the gadget community? That doesn't have anything like Verizon's rather cool "DROOOOOID" commercials hyping it yet?

Give it more than one day (or one week) before passing judgement, sheesh.

Well WP7 aint sitting well with AT&T remember AT&T going go for iphone market while they still have exclusitivity in US, this going to hurt Microsoft in mobile smartphone market in US. If rumors are true about Iphone on Verizon then At&T aint going try to sell anything else if possible for more money.

WP7 doing well outside North America though.

I think WP7 will be a huge success, if it doesn't it is a SHAME. I actually own a wp7 device and i am honestly blown away by how smooth it is. The speed is amazing and the integrated features with face book and contacts. It isn't quite as robust as android is on terms of what you are able to do, but for a brand new product, it blows me away.

This was bound to happen, can't say I'm surprised. Now the question is will the sales increase steadily or even worse, decrease. I fear for the worst even though MS tried their best, they were not able to brand their new phones into people brains. Unfortunately their marketing is still as weak as 10 years ago.

All I hear people talk about is iPhone. I even did some spot checks and asked coworkers what they think about WP7. I almost couldn't find anyone who had even heard about WP7. Android can be found more and more often. With 300.000 new Android activations every day, they are light years ahead of what MS can only hope to achieve. WP7 will never have any dominance on any market, MS just doesn't know how to do it... and throwing even more money in it, doesn't help.

They simply priced them too high IMO, at $199 you aren't going make inroads against the iPhone, unless you are just a hater of course (aka your average butthurt Droid user).

Really though, its far too soon to say how it will perform. Wait till after XMas before making such claims. Most places I've gone to look for one have been sold out here in the US.

Sadly I'll probably get a Torch for now and check back on the WP7 next renewal.

Dashel said,
They simply priced them too high IMO, at $199 you aren't going make inroads against the iPhone, unless you are just a hater of course (aka your average butthurt Droid user).

Really though, its far too soon to say how it will perform. Wait till after XMas before making such claims. Most places I've gone to look for one have been sold out here in the US.

Sadly I'll probably get a Torch for now and check back on the WP7 next renewal.

really $199? my carrier both its WP7 devices for 90 dollars

There is no way apple sells 260 000 iPhones per day in the U.S. The article talks about how many WP7's are sold in the U.S. and compares this to how many iPhones are sold on a worldwide basis? how misleading is that?! Same goes for Android. It does not sell 200 000 a day in the U.S. but IN THE WORLD. Whoever wrote this article needs to revise it so its not so misleading.

daddy_spank said,
There is no way apple sells 260 000 iPhones per day in the U.S. The article talks about how many WP7's are sold in the U.S. and compares this to how many iPhones are sold on a worldwide basis? how misleading is that?! Same goes for Android. It does not sell 200 000 a day in the U.S. but IN THE WORLD. Whoever wrote this article needs to revise it so its not so misleading.

yep misleading data sucks..its like this guy is con-microsoft. i at least want to know if its good sales and this does not even tell me if this is the right sales

This is BS. My AT&T store was sold out my lunchtime on Monday. This theme ran everywhere. Amazon sold out of the Focus too. There were supply issues here

burnblue said,
This is BS. My AT&T store was sold out my lunchtime on Monday. This theme ran everywhere. Amazon sold out of the Focus too. There were supply issues here

T-Mobile store in Miami had at least fifteen HD7 when I bought mine; besides shortage of units is a proof of management incompetency, not an excuse..... at least in our company.

Fritzly said,

T-Mobile store in Miami had at least fifteen HD7 when I bought mine; besides shortage of units is a proof of management incompetency, not an excuse..... at least in our company.


But its something Microsoft has no control over. HTC, Samsung etc each have their own budgets, suppliers, factories, and delivery methods. And then carriers have to contact them to place orders for the phones they want, yet again based on supply and demand.

If MS manufactured the phone and the OS then you can blame them for not making enough devices or for not shipping enough. But the blame here lies with OEMs, either for not making enough devices, or with carriers, for not ordering enough devices.

Where I live not one store had a Windows Phone or any idea when they would get them, and I doubt my town is the exception. Could this maybe, possibly, contribute to low sales? Maybe?

Also, to those that keep saying that it "failed" despite the ad campaign: that just started this week. Most people aren't glued to their televisions 24/7, so it takes a few days for people to see the ads. Of course people weren't going down to their AT&T store in droves; and even if they did, almost nobody would have walked out with a phone...

This could be true because here in Toronto I went to a few Rogers store on launch day and not one device to be found. I learned later on that you have to order it on the Rogers website. Telus had their device in store though, but not one flyer or poster about WP7 in either store, sad.
50/50 blame on the carriers and Microsoft, someone from Microsoft should have been in every store demoing the phones.

...Still waiting for my Samsung Focus to show up.

What can you expect if there's a big lack of devices in some stores. I knew that there were going to be problems all around. I'm still waiting the Samsung Focus that I pre-ordered 15 days ago, is supposed to arrive this friday but I'm not gonna wait standing up

How many people are on contracts also? You can pay $500 for the phone, or you can wait till your contract expires and get it for $200. Many people are going to wait till their contract expires. Mine has already expired, but I want better hardware.

bguy_1986 said,
How many people are on contracts also? You can pay $500 for the phone, or you can wait till your contract expires and get it for $200. Many people are going to wait till their contract expires. Mine has already expired, but I want better hardware.

That could be true as well because I bought mine out of contract. $677.99 after taxes.

Of course.. another misleading article. There is a TON of interest in WP7... it's the fact that the stores only got very few phones each. There is a major store stock issue. International sales are actually MUCH higher. Here in Canada, I couldnt even find a store that hadn't sold out, mainly because they only had like 5 phones each.. it's ridiculous.

I still can't wait to get one though. I tried the Samsung Focus and it's amazing. Those complaining about the UI should try it out for themselves before whining.

I'm not surprised, the launch was terrible and it's a first generation platform.

The adverts atm are just getting peoples interest going, and the next adverts coming actually show the device in use.

The thing we have to remember is that it wasn't a 'launch' like we think of with Apple, of all the hype then a massive event to kick it off with 10000's of devices and massive queues at the main Apple stores. It was a launch where it was kept quite quiet to the people outside of the tech community, and marketing is starting to kick in now.

What's more, is that people are on more contracts now then ever before. And in the UK at least it seems quite difficult to get a WP7 on Pay As You Go, it has to be a contract. So people need to wait for their contracts to expire. I know many people (myself included) who are dropping there existing phones and getting a Wp7 in the next few months when it's their turn to upgrade.

So I think only time will tell, remember, the 1st gen iPhone wasn't a great hit.

dave164 said,

What's more, is that people are on more contracts now then ever before. And in the UK at least it seems quite difficult to get a WP7 on Pay As You Go, it has to be a contract. So people need to wait for their contracts to expire. I know many people (myself included) who are dropping there existing phones and getting a Wp7 in the next few months when it's their turn to upgrade.

So I think only time will tell, remember, the 1st gen iPhone wasn't a great hit.

+1

Exaclty the reason I haven't gotten one yet. By Febuary is when my brother and I are getting one.

dave164 said,
I'm not surprised, the launch was terrible and it's a first generation platform.

The adverts atm are just getting peoples interest going, and the next adverts coming actually show the device in use.

The thing we have to remember is that it wasn't a 'launch' like we think of with Apple, of all the hype then a massive event to kick it off with 10000's of devices and massive queues at the main Apple stores. It was a launch where it was kept quite quiet to the people outside of the tech community, and marketing is starting to kick in now.

What's more, is that people are on more contracts now then ever before. And in the UK at least it seems quite difficult to get a WP7 on Pay As You Go, it has to be a contract. So people need to wait for their contracts to expire. I know many people (myself included) who are dropping there existing phones and getting a Wp7 in the next few months when it's their turn to upgrade.

So I think only time will tell, remember, the 1st gen iPhone wasn't a great hit.

Sorry but if I did not properly advertise my new product, if I did not provide enough units to almost satisfy the demand, if I did not consider that, especially in Europe, a lot of people buy phones without a contract, and did not make SIM free units available I would have made several unexcusable mistakes and the launch would have been a blunder.....

Fritzly said,

Sorry but if I did not properly advertise my new product, if I did not provide enough units to almost satisfy the demand, if I did not consider that, especially in Europe, a lot of people buy phones without a contract, and did not make SIM free units available I would have made several unexcusable mistakes and the launch would have been a blunder.....

I did say that the launch was terrible. But at the end of the day, all of them issues you have outlined (apart from "several unexcusable mistakes" which I don't know what your referring to) are the carriers problems. Not MS.

dave164 said,

I did say that the launch was terrible. But at the end of the day, all of them issues you have outlined (apart from "several unexcusable mistakes" which I don't know what your referring to) are the carriers problems. Not MS.

Really? An advertising campaign is planned in advance by the producer and its distributors as well as promotions, amounts of items to have in stock, re-supply contingency plans etc.Besides if the distributors of my product di not handle sales well the issue would not affected me, the supplier? I would love it but in the real World things are different.

Not surprised. WP7 is coming out when Androids are surging and iPhone sales are doing well. So WP7 has to compete with 2 diff platforms...3 if you count BBs.

Has anyone considered that the headline would get a lot of "hits" on blogs and on "the street". That is the real story here. Because anyone who has actually picked up the phone and used it for more than 5 minutes can clearly see that it is a winner. Gee, yesterday's headlines were all about a shortage of handsets and today no one is buying the phone?! Made us CLICK and respond didn't it. Who are the dummies now?

And here we go again, the excuses arrive en masse. Just like the KIN, it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the carriers, or the OEM's. The same old blaming game used with Vista as well. There it was the hardware manufacturers supposedly making defective drivers. Pathetic. Just admit it, the Microsoft Vista Phone has failed How many times do MS products have to fail until it becomes obvious that the problem is microsoft, not anybody else?

Flawed said,
And here we go again, the excuses arrive en masse. Just like the KIN, it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the carriers, or the OEM's. The same old blaming game used with Vista as well. There it was the hardware manufacturers supposedly making defective drivers. Pathetic. Just admit it, the Microsoft Vista Phone has failed

HD7 sold out on T-Mobile in the US within a day with backorders lasting upto 3 weeks. Dell venue pro not even released yet, but whatever stock they had sold out very fast. AT&T also are having device shortages. All WP7s have shortages throughout Europe and Australia (sales in Germany alone were in the 6 figures). Most parts of Asia don't even have a device yet even though they were promised a release.

Yup that seems like WP7 is obviously a failure and OEMs and carriers have tons of devices just laying around.

And as for Vista, you would know if you actually used it just how bad device drivers were especially from GPU manufacturers and Creative.

Flawed said,
And here we go again, the excuses arrive en masse. Just like the KIN, it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the carriers, or the OEM's. The same old blaming game used with Vista as well. There it was the hardware manufacturers supposedly making defective drivers. Pathetic. Just admit it, the Microsoft Vista Phone has failed How many times do MS products have to fail until it becomes obvious that the problem is microsoft, not anybody else?

That's because it's true? The Kin died because the carrier charged too much for the plan and nobody wanted it. Vista had driver issues because many OEMs did not write proper drivers. You speak as if everything Microsoft has done has been a dud. That must be why they are ubiquitous in almost every market they participate in.

GreyWolf said,

That's because it's true? The Kin died because the carrier charged too much for the plan and nobody wanted it. Vista had driver issues because many OEMs did not write proper drivers. You speak as if everything Microsoft has done has been a dud. That must be why they are ubiquitous in almost every market they participate in.

Very correct, the OP forget that Microsoft is a software company. OEM's and carriers buy licenses for the software from MS. It becomes there responsibility to sell there own hardware. Microsoft does do advertising, but there's only so much they can do before the third parties need to do something better.

dave164 said,

Very correct, the OP forget that Microsoft is a software company. OEM's and carriers buy licenses for the software from MS. It becomes there responsibility to sell there own hardware. Microsoft does do advertising, but there's only so much they can do before the third parties need to do something better.

Actually unless Flawed sees M$, bloat, bloatware, ME, Vi$ta, Microshaft, Microsloth, monopoly, or antitrust in a Microsoft post, the wiring comes undone.

GreyWolf said,

That's because it's true? The Kin died because the carrier charged too much for the plan and nobody wanted it. Vista had driver issues because many OEMs did not write proper drivers. You speak as if everything Microsoft has done has been a dud. That must be why they are ubiquitous in almost every market they participate in.

MS is not Joe Smith & Co.; if they felt that the carrier, not carriers, was charging too much for the plans and they did nothing about it either way they had no one else to offer the Kin or they were incompetent.
As for Vista again: drivers were a big issue but there were also issue with the OS itself like network transfer speed just to mention one. My point? While MS is not the only at fault, at the same time is not an innocent victim of others entities poor behaviour.

Flawed said,
And here we go again, the excuses arrive en masse. Just like the KIN, it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the carriers, or the OEM's. The same old blaming game used with Vista as well. There it was the hardware manufacturers supposedly making defective drivers. Pathetic. Just admit it, the Microsoft Vista Phone has failed How many times do MS products have to fail until it becomes obvious that the problem is microsoft, not anybody else?

LOL! The truth well put.

Fritzly said,

MS is not Joe Smith & Co.; if they felt that the carrier, not carriers, was charging too much for the plans and they did nothing about it either way they had no one else to offer the Kin or they were incompetent.

MS has no power over what carriers charge for the phone, or what plan the phone requires.

Considering the kin was going to be a verizon only phone, what other carrier could they have brought it on? Sprint? And you think Verizon would have just let them do that?

Flawed said,
And here we go again, the excuses arrive en masse. Just like the KIN, it wasn't microsoft's fault, it was the carriers, or the OEM's. The same old blaming game used with Vista as well. There it was the hardware manufacturers supposedly making defective drivers. Pathetic. Just admit it, the Microsoft Vista Phone has failed How many times do MS products have to fail until it becomes obvious that the problem is microsoft, not anybody else?

Nope, I'm blaming your dad for being so careless on that night.

give it time and people will start to use the phone and see what it does, I think people are just skepticle about it at the moment after the fun ordeal with the Kin (Stupid phone.....)

I bought 1 of the 2 Samsung Focus available in my town.

This story is just a fluff piece for hits and lots of comments. It has been 1 day.

I am replying to this on my new Samsung focus that was nearly impossible to find locally. Online it wasn't even available and big resellers won't have inventories for another 5 to 10 days. Hardware is limited for sure.

No excuse for MS, its not as though the launch day was a surprise either to them, their hardware partners or the carriers stocking the phones, yet they all managed to screw up, from lack of awareness in carrier stores and in general to practically no stock from OEM's. Cant cut it any other way, it was a poor launch. And its no reflection on the OS, as by all accounts those who see it for the first time really like it, so one wonders why we arent seeing better marketing.

I think it would be a smarter comparison actually if people start comparing launch vs. launch, as opposed to launch vs. 3 years in the market. Meaning, compare Microsoft's launch with Apple or Google's first launch.

I'm no fanboy, I just think this type of comparison makes more sense, and I actually would love to read an article that establishes that.

bigm0e said,
I think it would be a smarter comparison actually if people start comparing launch vs. launch, as opposed to launch vs. 3 years in the market. Meaning, compare Microsoft's launch with Apple or Google's first launch.

Except that Google and Apple didn't spend half a billion dollars on advertising and hype on launch. Given the money ploughed into Windows Phone Vista, I'd say it's turning out to be an epic fail

Flawed said,

Except that Google and Apple didn't spend half a billion dollars on advertising and hype on launch. Given the money ploughed into Windows Phone Vista, I'd say it's turning out to be an epic fail
MS has released like what? 3 ads for Windows Phone 7...pretty sure they haven't spent anywhere near half a billion dollars yet.

And as for Apple's advertising? With the amount of iPhone / iPad / iPod commercials I see on TV or on billboards...I'd be pretty shocked if they only spent a couple of million.

And Google doesn't advertise Android, it's upto carriers to do so..and you will see a lot of Verizon commercials showing off the Droid range of phones. There are also a few from Sprint showing off the Evo 4g.

Flawed said,

Except that Google and Apple didn't spend half a billion dollars on advertising and hype on launch. Given the money ploughed into Windows Phone Vista, I'd say it's turning out to be an epic fail

Actually, if you as I said go back to the launch vs. launch comparison and remember the 'There's an App for that' commercials, plus endorsements from carriers, the marketing campaign comparison narrows down. Apple only had to advertise for the iPhone once. All the other following releases of the device were easy to push forward.

And I'm with +/- Razorfold, Google doesn't advertise for Android, it's the carriers that do.

What people keep forgetting is how surprising and unpredictable the market is. Again, I am not really in defense of anybody here, I just think there needs to be an apples to apples type of comparison such as: number of applications available in the market place on launch, number of carriers supporting the device(s), shortage of sales, number of devices sold on first day, ... etc. I hope that's clear enough.

Maybe the article should have realized that not many stores even have enough phones.

T-Mobile sold out of their HD7 within a day, and is now on backorder with wait times from one to three weeks. AT&T also said they were experiencing heavy demand for their WP7s. The venue pro still hasn't been released (unless you were one of the lucky few who managed to pick one up at the Microsoft store).

Hell, last I read Germany was completely out of WP7 stock with sales there estimated to be in the 6 figures. And there are shortages all over Europe and Australia.

satanist said,
No surprise here. That UI was screaming fail from day one.

UI is a matter of opinion. A lot of people here really like the Metro UI.

i knew wp7 against android and iphone wouldn't do well. ive seen alot of complaints about the phone even on xda. doesn't even come with google maps at all.

smooth3006 said,
i knew wp7 against android and iphone wouldn't do well. ive seen alot of complaints about the phone even on xda. doesn't even come with google maps at all.

And that's Microsoft's fault? How?

Bing maps is still pretty dam good.

smooth3006 said,
i knew wp7 against android and iphone wouldn't do well. ive seen alot of complaints about the phone even on xda. doesn't even come with google maps at all.

Name a SINGLE complaint about the OS and not about the actual phone (MS doesn't manufacture the ****ing phones in case you didn't know).

ahhell said,

Name a SINGLE complaint about the OS and not about the actual phone (MS doesn't manufacture the ****ing phones in case you didn't know).

1 - If you're using your windows live ID, which, you should be, there is no way to remove your MSN contacts from your phone book other than deleting them.
2 - Bluetooth only connects to audio - you can't even connect to other WP7 devices.
3 - Facebook contacts still show up around the phone, even after choosing only to sync those already on your phone.
4 - Silverlight is pretty, and powerful, but performance wise it's probably the worst out of Android & iPhone's objective C. And it shows.
5 - There are no draft texts, there are no deleted texts, you can't save texts or contacts to your SIM card.
6 - Camera never persists your settings
7 - Shutter sound can't be explicitly turned off - it'll just randomly not come on sometimes when you're in silent, though other times it will (still in silent).
8 - Can't hide sharepoint or swap it for Windows Live Office
9 - There are delivery reports for SMS, but not MMS. No sent message reports for either.
10 - 65K Colour depth!!! Meaning helklo colour banding ^^;

There are lots more if you look around, but the XDA fellows are mostly complaining because it's less like Windows Mobile & Android and more like the iPhone in terms of openness, and they're the guys who like to play around and tinker with things (:

smooth3006 said,
i knew wp7 against android and iphone wouldn't do well. ive seen alot of complaints about the phone even on xda. doesn't even come with google maps at all.

It's a Microsoft phone; thus, it comes with Bing Maps by default (which, in my opinion, is better than Google Maps). Of course Microsoft are not going to include Google Maps, by default - they develop a competing product.

Google could easily create a Google Maps application for the phone, so you can't blame Microsoft for the fact there is no application on the phone.

Mobile phones are generally attached to contracts, contracts do not all expire with the launch date of Windows Phone. Look at sales over a longer period and then make comparisons.

I've picked one up to use as my main phone. Coming from Android, there are shortcomings, but the UI is great to use and the overall experience is awesome. What they've done in this first version, they've done extremely well.

I've kept my HTC Desire to keep an eye on Android as it develops. All platforms are moving forward so fast, it'd be stupid to say any of them are doomed to fail. Did anyone think Microsoft had a chance with the XBOX in a Playstation dominated market, really? But, they've got a nice market share.

One of the things that frustrate me most, is people assuming they know if something is good or bad without immersing themselves in a scenario with that device. I tried to make no judgements before getting the handset, perhaps people on here should try not to make assumptions so early.

derekaw said,
No one I know gives a damn about Windows Phone, no one.

Same experience. No one I know seems even remotely interested. Android is the most popular at the moment.

derekaw said,
BS

Flawed said,
BS

You guys obviously care enough to post on something in which you have no interest.
And the sheer number of posts have me believing you're closet fanboys.

derekaw said,
No one I know gives a damn about Windows Phone, no one.

Nobody I know has any idea what Windows Phone 7 is. However, as soon as I show them WP7, they are always very impressed.

I think sales numbers will be low at first, followed by stronger sustained sales later.

What is it with Neowin and misleading articles lately. Seems every other piece has stats taken out of context.

I had brief use of WP7 device at one of the PDC10 screenings and its great the UI may look flat but when you start using it the UI comes to life.

a better job needed o have been to to facilitate the 3.5 that they predicted.... cant sell when you cant meeet demands... hope it picks up tho

lmfao, threes a crowd for sure. WP7 will keep die hard winmo alive but sure isn't knocking chunks from symbian in any hurry.

How about we wait for some official numbers from MS that counts the EU and other parts of the world in there, and also all the online sales that this 40k number doesn't take into account? If it's even spot on that is.

GP007 said,
How about we wait for some official numbers from MS that counts the EU and other parts of the world in there, and also all the online sales that this 40k number doesn't take into account? If it's even spot on that is.
Agreed. Microsoft will likely give us numbers in January.

GP007 said,
How about we wait for some official numbers from MS that counts the EU and other parts of the world in there, and also all the online sales that this 40k number doesn't take into account? If it's even spot on that is.

Be careful about MS sales numbers; usually they speak about licenses sold not actual devices.
Anyway I have a HD7 and my opinion is that the OS has a lot of potential but......

The first and most important check will be the update process; by what I have read MS will still rely on OEM and carriers to push it to customers and this make me very nervous.

The second biggest issue, but this is just my personal opinion, is the lack of a "global" phone/desktop sync option. Zune does not sync with Office and I will not be forced to rely on the "Cloud" mantra. Windows won hearts and minds because it offered choices...

Also I read a lot of comments about the UI; while I personally love it, minus some annoyances as the battery meter etc., I have no doubts that it is and will remain for a long time very controversial. Either way you love it or hate it. Said that I was already around and remember when people were saying that a GUI was useless, it noly slowed down computers and types C:\MD was faster and easier than right click and scroll down a list of option to create a new folder so... opinions coul evolve.

The first and most important check will be the update process; by what I have read MS will still rely on OEM and carriers to push it to customers and this make me very nervous.

Nope. All updates will come directly from Microsoft. Minor ones will be OTA, whereas major ones will be downloaded through the Zune client.

Fritzly said,

Be careful about MS sales numbers; usually they speak about licenses sold not actual devices.
<snip>

Huh? Usually when a license is sold, that means it was put on a device, meaning that is pretty close to the number of devices sold.

Microsoft has sold over 240 million Windows 7 licenses, meaning there are some 240 million computers running Windows 7, no? Sure some might have installed another OS, but not many to make a huge dent in that number.

/- Razorfold said,
Nope. All updates will come directly from Microsoft. Minor ones will be OTA, whereas major ones will be downloaded through the Zune client.

Yes. Carriers and OEMs will be allowed to add their software updates to Microsoft's deployments by submitting them for approval/rollout.

/- Razorfold said,

Nope. All updates will come directly from Microsoft. Minor ones will be OTA, whereas major ones will be downloaded through the Zune client.

Source please? P Thurrot, and a source of mine too, stated that only SIM Free/ Unlocked phones will receive updates directly from MS; carriers crippled phones will receive updates that are "phisically" located in MS servers but only after carriers approval....

Mr aldo said,
Huh? Usually when a license is sold, that means it was put on a device, meaning that is pretty close to the number of devices sold.

Microsoft has sold over 240 million Windows 7 licenses, meaning there are some 240 million computers running Windows 7, no? Sure some might have installed another OS, but not many to make a huge dent in that number.

Not exactly; it means that MS sold X licenses to Dell, Y licenses to HP and Z as part of "Software assurance". It does not mean that those licenses are OSes used by people.

Fritzly said,

Not exactly; it means that MS sold X licenses to Dell, Y licenses to HP and Z as part of "Software assurance". It does not mean that those licenses are OSes used by people.

Sure, but those licenses will be used up quickly, seeing as there are millions upon millions of computers sold a year.

Dude you are the only one saying its not a great 1st day... This number maybe be small but its a good thing because supply was shot and demand exceeded supply... another reason why the number was this short is because most people can't find a time to pick up one on monday... they should have launched it friday or saturday... watch how it will sell from next week and the people buying it will be the main ad campaign as their friends n family will play with it and pick one up which will cause a chain reaction... from next year they will be selling as much as apple.

another thing is that people can't upgrade now. when apple release ios4.2 they should get it right cos if iphone 3g and 3gs owners r not satisfied they will jump ship... many are saying they won't get iphone 4.

P.S use ios not iphone sold 260k

The last sentance is wrong, Apple claims to sell 260,000 iOS devices per day, the majority of that number are not iPhones but IPads and iPod Touches.

Yeah, 40k is pretty bad for a new platform that does not launch on the 2 biggest carriers...how ever, Google and Apple are counting WORLDWIDE sales and WP7 sells very well in Europe...

bluefisch200 said,
Yeah, 40k is pretty bad for a new platform that does not launch on the 2 biggest carriers...how ever, Google and Apple are counting WORLDWIDE sales and WP7 sells very well in Europe...

you have a strong point... the world against the United start. or lets disect the sales of iphone world wide and compared each country sale to the numbers windows phone 7 sold...

bluefisch200 said,
Yeah, 40k is pretty bad for a new platform that does not launch on the 2 biggest carriers...

Since when is Sprint one of the two biggest carriers?

I love reading the comments on the wp7 stories as there are people here who have obviously not used the phone at all and are forming completely biased opinions about it like they have used one everyday of their lives!

I'm curious do you same people decide that a whole movie is good or bad before reading anything about it or even seeing a trailer?

Sure you can get an idea but hell give it a chance!

Yeah, usually when you read a sentence or two of someones comment, you can determine whether or not they have any idea what Windows Phone 7 is. Usually they call it Windows Mobile 7, which is a big red flag meaning they think Windows Phone 7 is just an update to Windows Mobile 6.5.

Sure, Windows Mobile and Windows Phone are based off of Windows CE, but they are two completely different things.

Ently said,
I love reading the comments on the wp7 stories as there are people here who have obviously not used the phone at all and are forming completely biased opinions about it like they have used one everyday of their lives!

I'm curious do you same people decide that a whole movie is good or bad before reading anything about it or even seeing a trailer?

Sure you can get an idea but hell give it a chance!


+1

Ently said,
I love reading the comments on the wp7 stories as there are people here who have obviously not used the phone at all and are forming completely biased opinions about it like they have used one everyday of their lives!

I'm curious do you same people decide that a whole movie is good or bad before reading anything about it or even seeing a trailer?

Sure you can get an idea but hell give it a chance!

+2

Dead'Soul said,
possible causes:
1. non availability of WP7 phones
2. another microsoft fail

3. Customers don't trust Microsoft anymore when it comes to them bailing out on past Windows Phones.

Dazog said,

1 Phone on 1 provider.

Far cry from Microsoft's partners many offers and world wide launch.


It's not worldwide...it's US only...the G1 on the other hand...

Owen W said,
Remember this?
Android launch-day sales dwarfed by iPhone, looks to be a dud: http://bit.ly/disand

Windows Phone Vista was launched in multiple countries with multiple carriers and multiple handsets almost simultaneously. It also has a half a billion advertising/hype budget. And yet, it still did badly. No amount of excuses can negate this fact Owen

Flawed said,

Windows Phone Vista was launched in multiple countries with multiple carriers and multiple handsets almost simultaneously. It also has a half a billion advertising/hype budget. And yet, it still did badly. No amount of excuses can negate this fact Owen

It didn't launch simultaneously. It does have a budget of half a billion dollars but that doesn't mean all of it has already been spent.

And did badly? The US =/= the world.

Flawed said,

Windows Phone Vista was launched in multiple countries with multiple carriers and multiple handsets almost simultaneously. It also has a half a billion advertising/hype budget. And yet, it still did badly. No amount of excuses can negate this fact Owen

WTH is this Windows Phone Vista crap you keep speaking of?

xiphi said,

WTH is this Windows Phone Vista crap you keep speaking of?

Because how the Anti-MS's minds work, they see Vista as the worst thing ever, call something Vista, and you're calling it one of the worst thing ever.

xiphi said,

WTH is this Windows Phone Vista crap you keep speaking of?

I keep thinking this when I'm reading this thread. But seriously, there was no advertising for Wp7 prior to release, I didn't see any TV ads until launch day itself.

The ball has just started rolling.

Nobody wants to deal with Microsoft anymore when it comes to Windows Mobile Phone. We all have been screwed over in the past with Windows Live Mobile Phones so many times that everyone has moved onto other phones. As of right now I still have my Windows Mobile 6.5 phone that is barely a year old and Microsoft has not done nothing to update it, or introduced updated applications so that it will function correctly. They have fu*ked over all the current customers and we are ****ed. So they are getting what they deserve when it comes to Windows Phone 7...and that is poor sales. How do you expect us to have confidence in buying new phones from you all when you have totally abandoned us with the current ones we have?

JSYOUNG571 said,
Nobody wants to deal with Microsoft anymore when it comes to Windows Mobile Phone. We all have been screwed over in the past with Windows Live Mobile Phones so many times that everyone has moved onto other phones. As of right now I still have my Windows Mobile 6.5 phone that is barely a year old and Microsoft has not done nothing to update it, or introduced updated applications so that it will function correctly. They have fu*ked over all the current customers and we are ****ed. So they are getting what they deserve when it comes to Windows Phone 7...and that is poor sales. How do you expect us to have confidence in buying new phones from you all when you have totally abandoned us with the current ones we have?
Windows Mobile Phone? Windows Live Mobile?

You do realize Windows Phone 7 is a complete "reboot" having nothing to do with Windows Mobile.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Nobody wants to deal with Microsoft anymore when it comes to Windows Mobile Phone. We all have been screwed over in the past with Windows Live Mobile Phones so many times that everyone has moved onto other phones. As of right now I still have my Windows Mobile 6.5 phone that is barely a year old and Microsoft has not done nothing to update it, or introduced updated applications so that it will function correctly. They have fu*ked over all the current customers and we are ****ed. So they are getting what they deserve when it comes to Windows Phone 7...and that is poor sales. How do you expect us to have confidence in buying new phones from you all when you have totally abandoned us with the current ones we have?

Speak for yourself. I was well aware of what was going to happen when I bought my Touchpro 2. Don't blame MS for you being an uninformed and ignorant consumer.

Mr aldo said,
Windows Mobile Phone? Windows Live Mobile?
You do realize Windows Phone 7 is a complete "reboot" having nothing to do with Windows Mobile.

I thought it was based on Windows CE? If that's the case, then it's more like SP1.

Flawed said,

I thought it was based on Windows CE? If that's the case, then it's more like SP1.
Yes, it is based on Windows CE, just like Windows Mobile, but I am pretty sure there was a lot done to Windows CE to make Windows Mobile what it was, and a lot done to it to make Windows Phone what it is.

That's the only similarity between WinMo and Windows Phone, nothing else. The Zune HD is based on Windows CE as well.

ahhell said,

Speak for yourself. I was well aware of what was going to happen when I bought my Touchpro 2. Don't blame MS for you being an uninformed and ignorant consumer.

Aleast we as customers who were not aware of Microsoft not supporting our current phones at all have an excuse. If Microsoft would have said at the beginning that they are going to release new Windows Mobile 6.5 phones but not support them, then they would have had no sales at all. Who would buy a phone knowing Microsoft is not supporting it? They are out to make money. They waited till everyone brought the phones and then stopped supporting them when Apple turned up the heat up on their A** in sales. Microsoft gave up and left us with a phone that has not been updated with a new OS or up to date applications since it came out. I look at you as an ignorant spender who knew that they were not going to support the phones and you went on an brought it anyway. So it is good to see the economy is not affecting your pockets at all since you have free cash to throw away.

JSYOUNG571 said,

Aleast we as customers who were not aware of Microsoft not supporting our current phones at all have an excuse. If Microsoft would have said at the beginning that they are going to release new Windows Mobile 6.5 phones but not support them, then they would have had no sales at all. Who would buy a phone knowing Microsoft is not supporting it? They are out to make money. They waited till everyone brought the phones and then stopped supporting them when Apple turned up the heat up on their A** in sales. Microsoft gave up and left us with a phone that has not been updated with a new OS or up to date applications since it came out. I look at you as an ignorant spender who knew that they were not going to support the phones and you went on an brought it anyway. So it is good to see the economy is not affecting your pockets at all since you have free cash to throw away.

Does Apple still support the iPhone 1? No.

Corporations do that all the time, either accept it or move to Cuba/North Korea/insert favorite Communist country here. You might want to check out NK's new PDA, it looks pretty cool.

resol612 said,

Does Apple still support the iPhone 1? No.

Corporations do that all the time, either accept it or move to Cuba/North Korea/insert favorite Communist country here. You might want to check out NK's new PDA, it looks pretty cool.

As far as applications....Yes Apple does continue support for the iPhone 1. That is what I was complaining about as far as Microsoft with the Windows Mobile Phone Department.

Because Windows Phone 7 had a global launch, right?

Oh wait, no, they didn't. The launch dates were sporadic. Just the way it was. Give it time... Windows 7 is a huge success, but did people line up to get Windows 7? No, they got it when it was convenient (or on a computer).

Just because the launch didn't see staggering results means nothing.

Until they can prove to me that they will provide continual support for WP7, I'm not even interested. MS does a horrible job of providing support for their phones i.e. lackluster updates if any, at least in the past.

Jiggah said,
Until they can prove to me that they will provide continual support for WP7, I'm not even interested. MS does a horrible job of providing support for their phones i.e. lackluster updates if any, at least in the past.

Considering how MS abandoned winmo users, everyone should be cautious about relying on support from them.

Jiggah said,
FUD

Flawed said,
FUD.

The reason to jump on this phone is a renewed interest in supporting the phones. The biggest reason for the stringent hardware requirements and Microsoft taking over the software update process was to be able to support the phones in a manner more on par with Windows or Zune.

The reason WinMo wasn't updated in the past was because MS wasn't focused in this market space. Now they are. They see the billions they've lost with their 'lackluster updates', etc.

The company is making the commitment, users will see. When Galaxy users have to wait for the next greatest point release from Google, MS will be happily pushing updates to all users of the OS.

Flawed said,

Considering how MS abandoned winmo users, everyone should be cautious about relying on support from them.

You are as flawed as your nickname, I suppose. You haven't seen how they had been pumping out wm6.5 alphas/betas. I guess you're just another obstinate, ignorant, egoistical prick.

Waiting for my Samsung Galaxy S to be delivered.

They are selling so well in they are constantly in and out of stock....

The WP7 UI looks like a dogs breakfast IMO

Baked said,
Waiting for my Samsung Galaxy S to be delivered.

They are selling so well in they are constantly in and out of stock....

The WP7 UI looks like a dogs breakfast IMO


+1 hehe. The Galaxy S does look sweet.

I've had a Galaxy S Fascinate (Verizon) for some time now, which I really like, and an iPhone (AT&T) for 3 years before that. After playing with an HD7 yesterday for about an hour, I am ready to drop this Android phone as soon as WP7 is available on Verizon. Say what you want about the UI, but until you actually play with it and see how fluid, deep, and beautiful it really is, people's opinion's are pretty pointless. I think Microsoft have a real winner with WP7, and I can't wait to get one!

AKLP said,
ofc their prices are freaking high

the iphone retails for $1k here and it's not high at all! i blew all my teeth out just to get it. the phone7 here retails for so much lower. god damn.

Years ago, I would've never recommended a Windows Mobile phone to anyone. I've had almost every latest and greatest phone on the market this year, this the HD7 takes the cake. I don't understand the hate for the UI. It's simple, sleek, and efficient.

Don't knock it down if you haven't tried it.

Jaybot said,
Years ago, I would've never recommended a Windows Mobile phone to anyone. I've had almost every latest and greatest phone on the market this year, this the HD7 takes the cake. I don't understand the hate for the UI. It's simple, sleek, and efficient.

Don't knock it down if you haven't tried it.

+1

Flawed said,

Tried it. I have only one word for it: meh

I am reporting all of your posts. I really dislike you. I thought troll dolls were abandoned in the '90s)

And over here in Hong Kong, we don't even know -when- the phones are coming out, even though MS has stated that Hong Kong will be one of the available areas.

I would have bought one on launch day if Verizon had them, though I got a free Windows phone 7 shirt from the Microsoft today

murkurie said,
I would have bought one on launch day if Verizon had them, though I got a free Windows phone 7 shirt from the Microsoft today

Same, had my iPod Touch not drowned in a sink back in April, I would have waited it out till launch and got it but no Verizon? I'm happy I got my Droid Incredible back then.

I've seen the Android UI and though Niiice, I would love to have one of those
I've seen the iPhone UI and thought Niiice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Palmpe UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought .....uh...... I'll pass.

warwagon said,
I've seen the Android UI and though Niiice, I would love to have one of those
I've seen the iPhone UI and thought Niiice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Palmpe UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought .....uh...... I'll pass.

I've seen the iPhone UI and thought, nice but a chaos of icons...
I've seen the Palme UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Android UI and though, uahhh...this is the most ugly thing i have ever seen for a UI
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought, never seen such a beautiful and easy to use UI...oh and btw. i am an Android user atm...

Oh my god...someone with another opinion (or maybe just not a MS hater that has never used WP7 before)...

warwagon said,
I've seen the Android UI and though Niiice, I would love to have one of those
I've seen the iPhone UI and thought Niiice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Palmpe UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought .....uh...... I'll pass.

+1
I feel the same. It's just not impressive like Android or iOS.

dotf said,

Have you tried it?


I've tried WM6.5 (current owner), Android, WP7 and iOS. My choice? Android.

Consensus? Everyone has their own opinion, and not everyone is going to agree.

bluefisch200 said,

I've seen the iPhone UI and thought, nice but a chaos of icons...
I've seen the Palme UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Android UI and though, uahhh...this is the most ugly thing i have ever seen for a UI
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought, never seen such a beautiful and easy to use UI...oh and btw. i am an Android user atm...

Oh my god...someone with another opinion (or maybe just not a MS hater that has never used WP7 before)...

Replacing my Xperia 10 with a Focus. Throwing a 16GB Class 10 microSD in it as well. I didn't realize Neowin was full of trolls nowadays. Kiddy trolls /w phones that are app launchers and complex multitasking. I had an iphone and got bored. Xperia /w 1.6 left me disappointed (no multitouch) and slow updates sucked. So far this phone/brand looks to be promising. I for one can't wait for it to arrive in the mail. I had to order it online because Rogers doesn't and won't have any on display for "another month". Meanwhile they have that lame iphone everywhere.

warwagon said,
I've seen the Android UI and though Niiice, I would love to have one of those
I've seen the iPhone UI and thought Niiice I would love to have one of those.
I've seen the Palmpe UI and thought Niice I would love to have one of those.
i've seen the WM Phone 7 UI and thought .....uh...... I'll pass.

Until you hold it in your hands, and see your own info on it, you may not get it. Don't judge this book by it's cover. This is an awesome phone. Every bit as capable as anything out there. They pushed an update to the HTC Hub this morn. And the MS updates will be fast and furious, and I'm betting every bit as impressive.

I went to buy a Focus at my local AT&T wireless store, and they were all sold out - they said it sold out fairly quickly. I'm sure my experience was *not* unique. I ended up getting one directly from the Microsoft Store, and they were even sold out temporarily. Even if my story is just anecdotal and most stores were not selling what they had in stock, hopefully once people get it and are blown away by how good it is, word of mouth will *really* help the sales.

NateB1 said,
... blown away by how good it is, word of mouth will *really* help the sales.

+1 On that.

When my friends saw my HD7 today at school, they were thoroughly impressed. And they knew what Windows Phone was! I think sales will just continue to rise.

Absolutely agree. Though the WP7 is probably as functional if not more so than the iPhone or Android, it certainly does lack luster. The UI just looks clunky. Would say that the WP7 is doomed to fail, but don't honestly believe that competing directly with the iPhone is the intent. Rather, like the Zune, believe Microsoft is content with simply taking a bite out of Apple's sales.

bradsday said,
Absolutely agree. Though the WP7 is probably as functional if not more so than the iPhone or Android, it certainly does lack luster. The UI just looks clunky. Would say that the WP7 is doomed to fail, but don't honestly believe that competing directly with the iPhone is the intent. Rather, like the Zune, believe Microsoft is content with simply taking a bite out of Apple's sales.

I'm assuming you have never touched a Windows Phone yet and therefore your opinion holds no basis here.

bradsday said,
Though the WP7 is probably as functional if not more so than the iPhone or Android

That's the thing though. It's no where near as functional as any of the other phones on the market. It lacks many basic features people expect from smart phones these days. The bar was raised and microsoft failed to meet it.
bradsday said,

it certainly does lack luster. The UI just looks clunky.

This I agree with. Fugly and looks cheap.
bradsday said,

Would say that the WP7 is doomed to fail, but don't honestly believe that competing directly with the iPhone is the intent. Rather, like the Zune, believe Microsoft is content with simply taking a bite out of Apple's sales.

The problem with this is Apple users will never buy a Windows Phone Vista. Microsoft is really competing against Android and Blackberry. Unfortunately, Blackberry has the enterprise market sown up, and Android is dominating the consumer market. MS's WPV can't hope to compete using such a poorly conceived UI and featureless phone.

sexypeperodri said,
If anyone really thought Windows Phone 7 was going to sell well was clearly delusional.

Troll alert. Any fact to base on your comment on?

gxsaurav said,

Troll alert. Any fact to base on your comment on?

Actually yeh I read this article that said everyone in mental institutions thought WP7 would sell well. So it's pretty much fact.

gxsaurav said,

Troll alert. Any fact to base on your comment on?


It's well-known that WP7 has little to offer over the competition other than a new UI (which is expected since it's still just the initial version of it), and lagging behind in app support compared to Android Market and App Store by a huge margin. It would be an insane reality if WP7 would sell well from day 1.

Also, just today, I read this in Computer Sweden: "Microsoft admits: Windows Phone 7 lacking e-mail encryption". Apparently it doesn't do encrypted Microsoft Exchange support, which even iPhone, BlackBerry and Windows Mobile 6.5 does, as funny as that may sound. Things like this can shut it out from enterprise use.

That's not to say MS can't fix all its flaws in time though, but I hope they're spending more energy on development than marketing right now. A turd is still a turd no matter how well you market it. WP7 doesn't even do multitasking with 3rd party apps for christ's sake. I don't understand the early adopters buying it -- they'll get a subpar phone with "child's diseases" just because they like MS? And people go noisy about Apple fans... Why not wait and see how MS will do in a subsequent WP7 release? If they can at all pull ahead of the competition here.

I think that's why it's not selling too well yet. Many enter wait & see-mode, with many reviews that I've read saying "what WP7 does, it does very well, but it also needs improvement".

Northgrove said,

It's well-known that WP7 has little to offer over the competition other than a new UI (which is expected since it's still just the initial version of it), and lagging behind in app support compared to Android Market and App Store by a huge margin. It would be an insane reality if WP7 would sell well from day 1.

Also, just today, I read this in Computer Sweden: "Microsoft admits: Windows Phone 7 lacking e-mail encryption". Apparently it doesn't do encrypted Microsoft Exchange support, which even iPhone, BlackBerry and Windows Mobile 6.5 does, as funny as that may sound. Things like this can shut it out from enterprise use.

That's not to say MS can't fix all its flaws in time though, but I hope they're spending more energy on development than marketing right now. A turd is still a turd no matter how well you market it. WP7 doesn't even do multitasking with 3rd party apps for christ's sake. I don't understand the early adopters buying it -- they'll get a subpar phone with "child's diseases" just because they like MS? And people go noisy about Apple fans... Why not wait and see how MS will do in a subsequent WP7 release? If they can at all pull ahead of the competition here.

I think that's why it's not selling too well yet. Many enter wait & see-mode, with many reviews that I've read saying "what WP7 does, it does very well, but it also needs improvement".

+1
It's lacking copy and paste for crying out loud. Something the iPhone lacked and WinMo users slammed iPhone users about. And now such missing features, that the competition has, are not important? I'm not buying that bull. Lack of apps and features like multitasking and copy and paste are reasons why more tech savvy people are staying away from Windows Phone Vista. Only the Microsoft zealots will be out buying these overly-hyped turds.

gxsaurav said,

Troll alert. Any fact to base on your comment on?

It was predicted to sell poorly by the Gartner Group and many other analysts, so it's hardly a surprise except perhaps to some of the fanboys on this site lol.

asdavis10 said,

+1
It's lacking copy and paste for crying out loud. Something the iPhone lacked and WinMo users slammed iPhone users about. And now such missing features, that the competition has, are not important? I'm not buying that bull. Lack of apps and features like multitasking and copy and paste are reasons why more tech savvy people are staying away from Windows Phone Vista. Only the Microsoft zealots will be out buying these overly-hyped turds.


+1
Agreed. Without such things as custom ringtones, C&P, third party multitasking, flash, a browser that can actually render web sites, and lacking the game and app portfolios that Android and iOS has, it was doomed to failure from the start. Not to mention the fugly and unfamiliar UI.

gxsaurav said,

Troll alert. Any fact to base on your comment on?

All other Windows phones have been major failures! Why would this one be any different?
It's not easy to save a dying/dead (?) brand.

Northgrove said,

It's well-known that WP7 has little to offer over the competition other than a new UI (which is expected since it's still just the initial version of it), and lagging behind in app support compared to Android Market and App Store by a huge margin. It would be an insane reality if WP7 would sell well from day 1.

Also, just today, I read this in Computer Sweden: "Microsoft admits: Windows Phone 7 lacking e-mail encryption". Apparently it doesn't do encrypted Microsoft Exchange support, which even iPhone, BlackBerry and Windows Mobile 6.5 does, as funny as that may sound. Things like this can shut it out from enterprise use.

That's not to say MS can't fix all its flaws in time though, but I hope they're spending more energy on development than marketing right now. A turd is still a turd no matter how well you market it. WP7 doesn't even do multitasking with 3rd party apps for christ's sake. I don't understand the early adopters buying it -- they'll get a subpar phone with "child's diseases" just because they like MS? And people go noisy about Apple fans... Why not wait and see how MS will do in a subsequent WP7 release? If they can at all pull ahead of the competition here.

I think that's why it's not selling too well yet. Many enter wait & see-mode, with many reviews that I've read saying "what WP7 does, it does very well, but it also needs improvement".


There is no way they could have developed a featureset to match that of the iPhone's (in terms of number of features or similar features) and release the operating system in time.

This is version 1 of the software (it has been completely rewritten and does not relate to Windows Mobile 6.5), so they have included the most used and important features.

Lack of copy/paste does not affect me, lack of Exchange encryption does not affect me... The operating system limits me in very few ways and the ways it does are not that important (they will also be addressed in the future).

Microsoft have to start somewhere.

Tpiom said,

All other Windows phones have been major failures! Why would this one be any different?
It's not easy to save a dying/dead (?) brand.


Uhm, perhaps because it's a completely different operating system to the previous versions used in Windows phones?

sexypeperodri said,
If anyone really thought Windows Phone 7 was going to sell well was clearly delusional.

er.... this is an English-speaking forum.

SuperHans said,

Actually yeh I read this article that said everyone in mental institutions thought WP7 would sell well. So it's pretty much fact.


Calum said,

Uhm, perhaps because it's a completely different operating system to the previous versions used in Windows phones?

Right... As if the average consumer looks at things that way. Instead they just remember how ****ty previous Windows Mobile phones worked and won't go down that road again.

could it be that every network has great phones coming out constantly, and people are just out of upgrades lol. I would love a windows phone but I have exhausted all my upgrades with iphones and a captivate.

pepsihabbit said,
could it be that every network has great phones coming out constantly, and people are just out of upgrades lol. I would love a windows phone but I have exhausted all my upgrades with iphones and a captivate.

exactly, i went to get my phone at t-mobile store. they told me i have to wait two months to get an upgrade. so then i thought ill go to walmart and get it there, people working there might just give it to me. nope no luck. so then i see it on newegg.com so i decide to order it on there. i get an email they have to check with t-mobile. and what do you know. i get an email telling me i cant upgrade until january 17th lol

-=SEDIN=- said,
went to get a HD7 yesterday and i can't get it for the discount price until january 17th. i want one so bad.

Just pay the early upgrade price, it's only $100 more! Haha that's what I did. I had like 8 more months left on my contract though.

andrewbares said,

Just pay the early upgrade price, it's only $100 more! Haha that's what I did. I had like 8 more months left on my contract though.

they wanted $270 at the store lol. but i found it on newegg for $150. i just got to wait few more months lol. if i cant then ill just go and buy it

What the source does not say is that - well, every store got just about 10 phones and effectively sold out immediately. Right now, Microsoft has a major supply issue, not the lack of interest issue.

It is extremely silly to compare WP7 (one full day on the market) to Android or iPhone sales as far as numbers go.

BigBoy said,
What the source does not say is that - well, every store got just about 10 phones and effectively sold out immediately. Right now, Microsoft has a major supply issue, not the lack of interest issue.

It is extremely silly to compare WP7 (one full day on the market) to Android or iPhone sales as far as numbers go.

also it is international numbers versus numbers just in the US..

Took me about 3 or 4 hours to buy my WP7 in Canada because noone knew what was gong on. Walked into a Telus store to find out when they would finally get some and i was told "they should be here just before christmas".. Very annoyed because they have posters everywhere for the Iphone 4 still which has been out for a while now and no employees even know that there is a WP7

BigBoy said,
What the source does not say is that - well, every store got just about 10 phones and effectively sold out immediately. Right now, Microsoft has a major supply issue, not the lack of interest issue.

It is extremely silly to compare WP7 (one full day on the market) to Android or iPhone sales as far as numbers go.

Exactly. Equally silly to say that the sales are underwhelming by comparing the sales made in one day to their Q4 goal...

BigBoy said,
What the source does not say is that - well, every store got just about 10 phones and effectively sold out immediately. Right now, Microsoft has a major supply issue, not the lack of interest issue.

Exactly what values of "every store" is this true for? AT&T, T-Mobile, Newegg, Microsoft Store, and Amazon all have phones in stock.

Kitty Karloso said,

Exactly what values of "every store" is this true for? AT&T, T-Mobile, Newegg, Microsoft Store, and Amazon all have phones in stock.

Every real physical store with an actual street location. Not everyone favors buying stuff online.

Kitty Karloso said,

Exactly what values of "every store" is this true for? AT&T, T-Mobile, Newegg, Microsoft Store, and Amazon all have phones in stock.

every store but 1 in orange county, ca sold out of samsung focus'. The microsoft store sold out of dell venue pro's by 11. the hd7 was hit and miss but seems even there is a supply issue. stores that had the hd7 didnt really have much interest in them, but it should be noted, i called 5 that didnt have any of them in stock yet (hd7's). best buy mobile have no windows phones in yet at all.

as far as i know, i got the last 2 samsung focus' in the first shipment to orange county.

OrangeFTW said,

Every real physical store with an actual street location. Not everyone favors buying stuff online.

If all they have is choked sales from physical stores then the numbers are hardly a indication of real sales since I and others ordered online, and I'm sure lots more did as well. There is no real need to rush to some store to buy something anymore when you think about it.

And they really are short on supply. I think that 40k is only a part of it, we'll get official numbers from MS when the time comes.

They really are short on supplies - something that probably should be mentioned in the article. Still, better than the UK though. I wouldn't be surprised if our first day sales were less than 1000 or something, it was nearly impossible to find one on day one!

BigBoy said,
Right now, Microsoft has a major supply issue, not the lack of interest issue.

I read reports of short stocks in Europe, but not north America. Perhaps this is wishful thinking to explain the poor performance? I feel sorry for all the developers and hardware manufacturers who once again jumped on board with another microsoft failure.
BigBoy said,

It is extremely silly to compare WP7 (one full day on the market) to Android or iPhone sales as far as numbers go.

Well microsoft has a half a billion advertising campaign, yet they are no where near that of the current market leaders. I'd say that must be disappointing for them. I guess they'll have to do a real funeral for windows phone 7 now lol.

Flawed said,
I read reports of short stocks in Europe, but not north America.
So because you didn't read about it, it didn't happen?

Flawed said,

I read reports of short stocks in Europe, but not north America. Perhaps this is wishful thinking to explain the poor performance? I feel sorry for all the developers and hardware manufacturers who once again jumped on board with another microsoft failure.

Well microsoft has a half a billion advertising campaign, yet they are no where near that of the current market leaders. I'd say that must be disappointing for them. I guess they'll have to do a real funeral for windows phone 7 now lol.

I want some of what you're on, seriously. You must've lost it thinking that it's over because of a small initial report on the figures. WP7 is a great platform and it's all about the OEM's and carriers screwing up. Microsoft is going to hurt for it yet again but it is not their fault or at least not completely. If they knew there weren't going to be enough to fill demands, they should've pushed the launch back a few weeks or even a month.

It has nothing to do with the platform or phones themselves, they're all great for the most part in someone's eyes. Don't blame Microsoft for the "hardware manufacturers" inability to meet demand.

And it doesn't matter how much money you throw at an advertising campaign. You can't expect your product to sell like the big boys right away. Once the stock hits the shelves in reasonable numbers, the sales will skyrocket and we'll see what this platform can really do.

There are the few out there too that are still stuck on contracts and are looking forward to getting a WP7 device. I'm one of them. I can't wait to get rid of my iPhone.

Flawed said,

I read reports of short stocks in Europe, but not north America. Perhaps this is wishful thinking to explain the poor performance? I feel sorry for all the developers and hardware manufacturers who once again jumped on board with another microsoft failure.

Well microsoft has a half a billion advertising campaign, yet they are no where near that of the current market leaders. I'd say that must be disappointing for them. I guess they'll have to do a real funeral for windows phone 7 now lol.

You are a simple minded hater. Your hate clouds any sane reason. Good luck with that.

Lachlan said,
Walked into a Telus store to find out when they would finally get some and i was told "they should be here just before christmas".. Very annoyed because they have posters everywhere for the Iphone 4 still which has been out for a while now and no employees even know that there is a WP7

Same here. In my scenario, I was arguing with a Telus kiosk manager in the tim hortons coffee lineup. She was miffed that she was ordered to take the training. Come launch day they didn't have any phones. Now they have a couple HTC Surround, with the LG arriving next week.

Lachlan said,

also it is international numbers versus numbers just in the US..

Took me about 3 or 4 hours to buy my WP7 in Canada because noone knew what was gong on. Walked into a Telus store to find out when they would finally get some and i was told "they should be here just before christmas".. Very annoyed because they have posters everywhere for the Iphone 4 still which has been out for a while now and no employees even know that there is a WP7

same exact thing happened here (near Ottawa). I went to the Telus store and asked them if they received WP7. The salesperson didn't even know what I was talking about. He then proceeded to the backstore and got me a box of my HTC Surround. Told me there was only 3 and the LG Optimus hadn't even arrived yet.

No posters, no demos, no nothing! Just a normal day like any other.

Mouettus said,

same exact thing happened here (near Ottawa). I went to the Telus store and asked them if they received WP7. The salesperson didn't even know what I was talking about. He then proceeded to the backstore and got me a box of my HTC Surround. Told me there was only 3 and the LG Optimus hadn't even arrived yet.

No posters, no demos, no nothing! Just a normal day like any other.

I went to a T-Mobile store to look at the HTC HD7 and they only had a display model - only a single phone, and it wasn't for sale.

Lachlan said,

Very annoyed because they have posters everywhere for the Iphone 4 still which has been out for a while now and no employees even know that there is a WP7

I bet they don't know there's an iOS neither. WP7 is the OS, the phone itself is Samsung Focus...