Windows Phone 7.8 has reportedly hit RTM status

Windows Phone 7.8 is likely the swansong of major updates for first and second generation Windows Phone hardware. Windows Phone 8 is exclusive to the new hardware from Nokia, HTC and Samsung, so it was a pleasant surprise when Windows Phone 7.8 was announced, bringing not only the Windows Phone 8 Start Screen, themes and ringtone support to Windows Phone 7 hardware, but other (as of yet unknown) Windows Phone 8 functionality and features.

Even though Windows Phone 8 has already arrived in stores, details around Windows Phone 7.8 and its release have been scarce. Now it seems that the update has actually hit the magical RTM build. At a recent Microsoft and Nokia developer event in Singapore, a Nokia employee who wished to remain anonymous said Nokia's head of developer relations in the Asia Pacific region told the audience that Windows Phone 7.8 went RTM earlier this week.

If this is true, and we can only stress if as this is only a rumour, we could expect to see the update sometime in the next few weeks. This would go against what had previously been said by Microsoft, however, as they stated the update would arrive in Q1 2013. The same tipster also added that IE9 would be the default browser for WP7.8, as IE10 takes advantage of certain hardware acceleration that Windows Phone 7 hardware can’t support.

So, however true the information the anonymous Nokia employee provided is, it’s good to think that the Windows Phone 7.8 update is almost ready to arrive, even if it is next year. It is only 45 days until January 1.

Source: WPCentral | Image courtesy of XDA Developers

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I only hope they add MMS APN settings like WP8 has.
That is my only issue with my SIM Unlocked Lumia 900.

If they fix that, I'm in no big rush to upgrade to WP8.

spy beef said,
This will cause fragmentation

it's more like clear division between the two price ranges that already happened. only Tango phones that make no sense cause some fragmentation on WP7 platform.

I haven't been the biggest fan of the surround, hardware wise, to be quite fair with you, I almost regretted buying WP7/surround when I first bought it. But the software updates make the phone what it is, and usable. I'm glad to hear that my phone will be getting one more major update before HTC stops sending updates to my device. But unfortunately last time the tango update came out, my friend with a LG Optimus 7 got the update in late july, I had to wait till late october.

Great, my HTC Mozart is a sollid phone. Works flawlessly so I want to keep it around as a backup for a long time to go. It's great to see that WP7 is getting a new life as the software for low-end phones, especially in developing countries.

Windows Phone 7.x is not going away anytime soon, it will be with us for a while to come with more updates after 7.8. Nokia will be using this for the low priced handset market. All the idiots that say this OS has been put to sleep or has failed or is finished need to stop with the pointless rumour crap, none of what they say is based on fact. Nokia has already announced that new handsets with 7.8 will be released in 2013 and also in leaked documents it points to further updates beyond 7.8.

Windows Phone 7 very much failed at generating the amount of buzz and market share Microsoft would have liked. It also failed at attracting many third-party developers. The platform as a whole didn't make a single dent in either Apple or Android sales, in fact both competitors continue to see rising demand.

While I totally agree Windows Phone is far from being finished, you have to be realistic about these things. Randomly calling people idiots doesn't change any of it,

So I take it there will end up being a **** ton of Windows Phone OS versions just like how Android is? It's ridiculous really!!
I bought 14 Android phones in 3 years, varying in price, and I doubt any of them had the same OS version as the next. Each phone was basically completely different from the next for usage.
In a sense, that'd be like going in to Future Shop, and there being brand new computers with Windows 95, 98, XP, etc. etc. installed on them.

LUTZIFER said,
So I take it there will end up being a **** ton of Windows Phone OS versions just like how Android is? It's ridiculous really!!
I bought 14 Android phones in 3 years, varying in price, and I doubt any of them had the same OS version as the next. Each phone was basically completely different from the next for usage.
In a sense, that'd be like going in to Future Shop, and there being brand new computers with Windows 95, 98, XP, etc. etc. installed on them.

Hmmm.. no

LUTZIFER said,
So I take it there will end up being a **** ton of Windows Phone OS versions just like how Android is? It's ridiculous really!!
I bought 14 Android phones in 3 years, varying in price, and I doubt any of them had the same OS version as the next. Each phone was basically completely different from the next for usage.
In a sense, that'd be like going in to Future Shop, and there being brand new computers with Windows 95, 98, XP, etc. etc. installed on them.

Microsoft has licensed partners and hardware spec requirements that allow them to push updates for all hardware across the board. We've seen it from windows phone 7.0 to 7.5 and it'll continue to 7.8. Windows Phone 8 hardware (and its OS) will be no different.

The only limiting factor will be if you've got a branded phone, such as a Vodafone, AT&T etc and they've not pulled their finger out and released a branded version for your phone. If that's the case, its time to smack talk your service provider as they're giving you a crappy service just so they can brand market and restrict your phone.

sagum said,

Microsoft has licensed partners and hardware spec requirements that allow them to push updates for all hardware across the board. We've seen it from windows phone 7.0 to 7.5 and it'll continue to 7.8. Windows Phone 8 hardware (and its OS) will be no different.

The only limiting factor will be if you've got a branded phone, such as a Vodafone, AT&T etc and they've not pulled their finger out and released a branded version for your phone. If that's the case, its time to smack talk your service provider as they're giving you a crappy service just so they can brand market and restrict your phone.


I buy Pay N Talk phones, as they do not last me very long. As why I don't really like spending too much for them any more. But I'm sick of buying phones then finding out stuff isn't compatible with them.
A person shouldn't have to check out detailed info and then figure out what's compatible, etc./ etc. for just buying some damn cellphone.
But price really isn't the big thing anyways. Like say you buy a Samsung Galaxy 1, in less than a year there's a Galaxy 3, and I bet they don't have the same OS.
I want a Windows Phone 8 device but that'll mean I pay 800 bucks for one and by this time next year, most apps won't be compatible most likely.

LUTZIFER said,
I buy Pay N Talk phones, as they do not last me very long. As why I don't really like spending too much for them any more. But I'm sick of buying phones then finding out stuff isn't compatible with them.
A person shouldn't have to check out detailed info and then figure out what's compatible, etc./ etc. for just buying some damn cellphone.
But price really isn't the big thing anyways. Like say you buy a Samsung Galaxy 1, in less than a year there's a Galaxy 3, and I bet they don't have the same OS.
I want a Windows Phone 8 device but that'll mean I pay 800 bucks for one and by this time next year, most apps won't be compatible most likely.

I don't know what pay n talk is - are you referring to prepaid? Regarding your experience with android - why do you keep purchasing them if you have such a bad experience? Why don't you just get an entry level Nokia Lumia 710/

Mr Nom Nom's said,

I don't know what pay n talk is - are you referring to prepaid? Regarding your experience with android - why do you keep purchasing them if you have such a bad experience? Why don't you just get an entry level Nokia Lumia 710/


I don't have bad experiences with them, I lose them in the ocean, cuz I work on tugboats. What I'm getting at, is why does there have to be so many versions of an OS for them. Where I live, there really isn't a whole lot of cellphone choices when it comes to "Prepaid", definitely no Windows Phones. I've had many Samsung, inQ, and LG, and they vary in Android OS versions and out of the 14 phones, I don't think there were any 2 that were similar in user interfaces, features and compatibility with different apps.
I don't make it into places where there is electronic stores very ofton, and I don't have time to read all the details on what version of Android is on the phone, and what it's compatible with, and the stores don't even have demo models to try out. I just grab and go. I'm saying it'd be nice if a company could stick to a specific OS and make the firmware upgradable instead of making new phones with an older OS on it. That just doesn't make sence. Like I mentioned earlier... you don't see a brand new computer in a store with Windows XP on it, right? So why put out a new phone with Android 2.1 on it, etc. etc.

Seketh said,
>Lot's of Windows Phone OS versions.

>7.8 and 8.


there is three different types of Windows Phones actually. low-end Tango phones (with 256 mb RAM and incompatibility with some apps as result, honestly I don't know why MS allowed such phones to exist, they cost same as entry level Mango phones, but have worse built quality and features), first and second generation Mango phones and WP8 phones.
both WP7.8 and WP8 phones have optional features such as front-facing camera, gyroscope or MicroSD slot (actually WP7 doesn't support adding storage, but on some models MicroSD slot is available and you can swap default storage capacity for more)

that's about as much variation as Apple have (older and newer iPhones features, older and newer iPad features).

ACTIONpack said,
Hard to believe that IE10 would have any problem on a 1.5 single core snapdragon to run all the features.

It isn't the CPU but the GPU which is lacking the features. In my experience though I have been very happy with Internet Explorer on my Nokia Lumia 900 so far.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

It isn't the CPU but the GPU which is lacking the features. In my experience though I have been very happy with Internet Explorer on my Nokia Lumia 900 so far.

You can easily turn off css animation and some html5 feature so it work not slow down OS. its a push to get WP7.5 out of the market and get the users to upgrade.

ACTIONpack said,
You can easily turn off css animation and some html5 feature so it work not slow down OS. its a push to get WP7.5 out of the market and get the users to upgrade.

And thus the conspiracy theorists come out in full force.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

It isn't the CPU but the GPU which is lacking the features. In my experience though I have been very happy with Internet Explorer on my Nokia Lumia 900 so far.


or maybe it's DirectX API's that won't be available on WP 7.8?

x.iso said,
or maybe it's DirectX API's that won't be available on WP 7.8?

Yes, which requires compatible hardware. IMHO I can't work out what the fuss is all about because IE9 is still very much a capable browser!

Mr Nom Nom's said,
In my experience though I have been very happy with Internet Explorer on my Nokia Lumia 900 so far.

I found the experience to be pretty bad on my Nokia Lumia 900: Unstable, slow and no apparent way to sync bookmarks/favorites between Mac/PC and Windows Phone. Not to mention quite a few websites don't properly work with it.

.Neo said,

I found the experience to be pretty bad on my Nokia Lumia 900: Unstable, slow and no apparent way to sync bookmarks/favorites between Mac/PC and Windows Phone. Not to mention quite a few websites don't properly work with it.

Really? What websites? I honestly can't even remember compatibility issues with IE9. You also have various apps that sync bookmarks, even from Chrome.

Slow and unstable, yes, but before the 7.5 update. After that, no issues, honestly.

Seketh said,
Really? What websites? I honestly can't even remember compatibility issues with IE9. You also have various apps that sync bookmarks, even from Chrome.

I'd love to know what websites as well - I'm not doubting that maybe there are some corner cases of websites not working but when it comes to the major news and technology websites along with Reddit it appears everything is working a-ok to me. Regarding bookmark synchronisation I wouldn't be surprised if we end up seeing it in Windows Phone 7.8 given that Microsoft appears to want some sort of close feature parity when it comes to their cloud services given that Windows Phone is going to hang around into the future for the low end smart phones and feature phones.

Slow and unstable, yes, but before the 7.5 update. After that, no issues, honestly.

I'm running the latest build of Windows Phone 7.5 and I haven't had a single issue; not a crash or a buggy experience yet.

Seketh said,
Really? What websites? I honestly can't even remember compatibility issues with IE9. You also have various apps that sync bookmarks, even from Chrome.

Slow and unstable, yes, but before the 7.5 update. After that, no issues, honestly.


Why do I have to resort to third-party solutions for something as simple as syncing bookmarks? Microsoft's own syncing tool should support this out of the box. As far as websites go it had mostly to do with the mobile versions, as described by an article right here on the front page.

and judging by the recent Nokia leaked presentation slides there will be further updates after 7.8 for these handsets. So is not all doom and gloom for WP7.x handsets like some try to make you believe. WP8 will start also receiving updates too after the release of 7.8

korupt_one said,
and judging by the recent Nokia leaked presentation slides there will be further updates after 7.8 for these handsets. So is not all doom and gloom for WP7.x handsets like some try to make you believe. WP8 will start also receiving updates too after the release of 7.8

True, IIRC Windows Phone 7 is apparently being geared towards low end phones with Windows Phone 8 focused on the high end premium market. The benefit it gives Microsoft and partners is the ability to target all price points rather than focusing on the very much smaller niche of high end smart phones (look where the bulk of Android handsets are priced at).

Who said 7.8 is/was the swansong? Can you provide any source confirming that? Nowhere has anyone said support and/or updates for WP 7.x will end with 7.8

paulheu said,
Who said 7.8 is/was the swansong? Can you provide any source confirming that? Nowhere has anyone said support and/or updates for WP 7.x will end with 7.8

I think that's pretty much been confirmed. They're sunsetting 7.x. If people want updates they'll have to move to 8.x...

paulheu said,
Who said 7.8 is/was the swansong? Can you provide any source confirming that? Nowhere has anyone said support and/or updates for WP 7.x will end with 7.8

There's always room for 7.9...

LAMj said,
Omnia 7 is probably the last high quality phone Samsung built.

I've got a HTC 8X but still got my Omnia 7 as well so it will be interesting comparing the two.

LAMj said,
Omnia 7 is probably the last high quality phone Samsung built.

Lol I had Omnia 7 and it's screen got busted in 1 year (Just after warranty was over).

LAMj said,
Omnia 7 is probably the last high quality phone Samsung built.

The Focus i917 is a great phone. Great screen quality, plastic all around so when I drop it it lives (and it does! =D). Top build quality on my focus =)

LAMj said,
Omnia 7 is probably the last high quality phone Samsung built.

my mrs ended up with my omnia when I got the lumia 800 to replace her horrible HTC Desire as a stop gap till WP8 arrived, ordering a lumia 820 soon while I have to wait a few months for contract to expire, gonna be all green eyed

LAMj said,
Omnia 7 is probably the last high quality phone Samsung built.

This. I love the ebony balck aluminum body on that thing, and just the whole look & feel of the device. Only problem with it is that the screen scratches really easily.

Gaffney said,

I've got a HTC 8X but still got my Omnia 7 as well so it will be interesting comparing the two.

How are you liking the 8X so far? I checked them out at the store yesterday. Audio quality through the headphones, screen quality and build quality seems considerably better than my HTC HD7.