Windows Phone 8: What we know, and what we don't

   

Today at the Windows Phone developer summit, Microsoft showed off Windows Phone 8 for the first time to the world, and despite the leaks earlier this year, many features were kept under wraps until today. 

Windows Phone 8 is a big leap forward for the platform, and is another big bet by Microsoft. It leaves current users in the dark, but paints a bright picture for the future with a Windows NT base. While a lot was revealed at todays event, we still don't know a lot about the new platform. So, to help, we've compiled a list of things we know, and don't know about Windows Phone 8.

What we know:

  • Multi-core: Windows Phone 8 finally brings multi-core support. The company still notes that it runs "buttery smooth" on a single core, but they point out that the Windows Core allows them to support them, so why not have them.
  • High resolution screens: We've been waiting for this since forever, and now Microsoft supports two new, higher resolution displays; 1280x768 and 1280x720.
  • MicroSD card: Windows Phone 8 supports MicroSD cards (and appears to be hot swappable). That should appease the Android folks.
  • NFC: It was kind of obvious this was coming, but NFC now allows you to share things between devices running Windows Phone 8.
  • IE10: The same version of Internet Explorer on Windows 8 is now on Windows Phone 8.
  • Wallet: Just like Apple's "Passbook," Microsoft will be keeping track of credit cards, coupons and boarding passes for you too.
  • Better maps/directions: Nokia now runs Microsoft's mapping story on the phone, and it's stronger than ever now with more detailed maps and offline map sync.
  • Enterprise IT controls: Finally, Windows Phone is fit for the enterprise. Microsoft has added device encryption, UEFI(!), Remote Management and company hub to Windows Phone 8.
  • UEFI boot: Believe it or not, your phone is now almost identical to your computer, and uses the new, secure boot process to ensure the phone isn't tampered with. 
  • OTA Updates: Over the air updates are now on Windows Phone. 
  • Guaranteed updates: Microsoft now guarantees updates for 18 months from device launch.
  • No love for current devices: Not a single current device will get Windows Phone 8, but, Microsoft will port the new start screen to Windows Phone 7.8, meaning some owners should be happy enough.
  • Carriers still have to approve updates: Sorry guys, Microsoft still hasn't cracked this one yet.
  • No development codename: Believe it or not, Microsoft isn't using a stupid codename like "Mango" for this one, it's just Windows Phone 8.
  • Native code: Developers rejoice! Windows Phone now supports native code.
  • OEM's: We know Nokia, HTC, Huawei and Samsung are making devices, but what happened to everyone else? Where did the likes of Dell and Asus go?
  • Skype and VoIP: Skype is coming in a big way, and so is VoIP support. Details are sketchy right now, but it seems to be baked in to the same level as Messenger and Facebook Chat are right now in WP7. Phone calls on Skype are as seamless as a normal incoming call.
  • US carriers: At launch; AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon Wireless

What we don't know:

  • Handsets: We know literally nothing about handset availability, pricing or release dates other than "Fall 2012." This seems to be Microsoft's line, at the moment.
  • High density displays: Will high density displays be supported on Windows Phone 8, or is it essentially up to the vendors to build them in? It's not clear yet, let's hope they plan on bringing them, though.
  • App menu: It looks to us like the application menu is gone, from the screenshots. Microsoft may require all applications to be pinned to the start screen from now on. The video shows the user grabbing a tile and resizing it, and the "unpin" button appears to be gone. Actually, it's there! So, where is the app menu?
  • SDK: No word on street date for the Windows Phone 8 SDK yet, and developers can't get excited until then. 
  • Notification Center: Still no word on what many users are crying for, a unified notification center. It looks like Microsoft plans to negate that by forcing users to pin everything to the start menu. The video shows the user grabbing a tile and resizing it, and the "unpin" button appears to be gone.
  • World-wide support: No word on whether or not countries like Australia will be supported like they are with Windows Phone 7, but hopefully it will be the same as the current release.
  • Voice/Siri competitor: We know Microsoft has been working on something big, but we still haven't heard about it. It's about time that they show it off to the world.
  • Native screenshot support: No word on this, and Microsoft said "no comment" when we asked.
  • Old devices: We know old devices will only get Windows Phone 7.8, but what features will that actually contain other than the start screen? Microsoft is super quiet on this one.

Our guesses:

  • Price: OEM's will have to price according to the market, so we think that devices will retail for roughly the same about the Lumia range sells for now.
  • Release: "Fall" is pretty vague, but expect the device availability to start pouring out shortly after Windows 8 RTM's. The devices and launch is likely to closely coincide with Windows 8, and we have a feeling it'll be on the same day.
  • Voice/Siri: This will be a big part of Windows Phone 8, but likely won't be shown off until sometime in late July/August when Microsoft announces consumer features. The video mentioned above should give a good idea of where Microsoft wants to go.
  • Notification center: It looks like Microsoft is steering away from this, trying to force users to pin everything to the start screen. Don't be surprised if there's nothing in Windows Phone 8.
  • OEM's: The announced OEM's are the launch partners. Between now and then, our guess is no others will be announced. More are likely to be added later, though. Dell and Asus probably won't create any more handsets.
  • Developer buy-in: This is a difficult one to predict, but Microsoft is likely to have a hard time luring developers to a "square-one reset" of a platform like this. They will come, but perhaps slowly. There will likely be a lot of monetary incentives put out by Microsoft to lure them in.
  • Apps at launch: The video hints at a few partners, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, Plants VS Zombies etc, but who else will be there at launch? This won't be talked about for a while, but at a guess the big guys will be there, just like the launch of Windows Phone 7.
  • Universal Search: Nothing was announced on this, but our bets are on this being a big deal with Windows Phone 8, just like it's a core part of Windows 8. Search everything!

This list is being continually updated, so stay tuned as we find out more about Windows Phone 8 this week.

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article said,
No development codename: Believe it or not, Microsoft isn't using a stupid codename like "Mango" for this one, it's just Windows Phone 8.

What about Apollo?

It says WP8 has UEFI for the enterprise market so does that means it needs an extra chip to work or something on SoC? not sure if UEFI cant be back ported to older motherboards so i assume this would be the same here (unless manufactures cant be bothered to back port it).

Maybe they leverage the additional core for VoIP stuff, background multitasking etc to help it go better, also addition of micro SD cards, NFC etc.

they wouldnt release7.8 with just a start screen update i think it include lotsa stuff liek the skype integration etc basically everything except like UEFI, NFC sd slots etc as current hardware doesnt have them anyway. Also the screens dont suport higher than 800x480 (i dont think) so no need to put HD resolutions in there. It wont have the wp8 kernel (obviously as wp8 apps prolly wouldnt work on the current hardware.

So stop moaning about the update, itll just not include the hardware features that no 7 or 7.5 phone has anyway. other features may not be included like the siri-esque feature but i think theyll include it.

People really get on my nerves cus they only see whats right in front of there face and dont have the brain power to read between the lines or think on there own. So go back to dumb andriod phones or over priced over hyped apple piles of crap, the wp user base arent going to miss you.

psionicinversion said,
It says WP8 has UEFI for the enterprise market so does that means it needs an extra chip to work or something on SoC? not sure if UEFI cant be back ported to older motherboards so i assume this would be the same here (unless manufactures cant be bothered to back port it).

Maybe they leverage the additional core for VoIP stuff, background multitasking etc to help it go better, also addition of micro SD cards, NFC etc.

they wouldnt release7.8 with just a start screen update i think it include lotsa stuff liek the skype integration etc basically everything except like UEFI, NFC sd slots etc as current hardware doesnt have them anyway. Also the screens dont suport higher than 800x480 (i dont think) so no need to put HD resolutions in there. It wont have the wp8 kernel (obviously as wp8 apps prolly wouldnt work on the current hardware.

So stop moaning about the update, itll just not include the hardware features that no 7 or 7.5 phone has anyway. other features may not be included like the siri-esque feature but i think theyll include it.

People really get on my nerves cus they only see whats right in front of there face and dont have the brain power to read between the lines or think on there own. So go back to dumb andriod phones or over priced over hyped apple piles of crap, the wp user base arent going to miss you.

Skype and background multi-tasking depend on kernel changes which depend on new hardware. It's not as simple as you think.

Well, this is where MS lost me as a WP7 user. The fact that I can't update the phone to WP8 is a deal breaker for me. I know that we still have no idea what 7.8 will bring, other than the new start screen, but I bet it's nothing major, maybe minor improvements.

Anyway, Android...here I come (back)

TDT said,
Well, this is where MS lost me as a WP7 user. The fact that I can't update the phone to WP8 is a deal breaker for me. I know that we still have no idea what 7.8 will bring, other than the new start screen, but I bet it's nothing major, maybe minor improvements.

Anyway, Android...here I come (back)

The reasons you left Android are still there. The grass is not greener on the other side...

Big improvements. I always said WP7 was half-baked, incomplete. This is becoming more complete, the level of full-featuredness I want.

I love Windows Phone, I love the Metro tiles on a phone/tablet (not on a desktop computer as you already know), and I love Nokia build quality.

If Nokia launches a Lumia under WP8, I sell my iPhone 4S

One detail about TellMe I found over at Ars Technica is:

"Windows Phone 8 will include a conversational speech recognition system based on the TellMe technology used in Windows Phone 7. There's a twist, though: Microsoft is making an extensible system. Application developers will be able to add new nouns and verbs to TellMe so that users can use the same conversational style to perform specific actions within applications."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...oip-integration-nfc-wallet/

I don't know enough about software development to even begin to guess whether it means that there'll be an ever expanding global library of new words for TellMe, or whether each new word will only be available to a specific app.

Godlike_Ape said,
One detail about TellMe I found over at Ars Technica is:

"Windows Phone 8 will include a conversational speech recognition system based on the TellMe technology used in Windows Phone 7. There's a twist, though: Microsoft is making an extensible system. Application developers will be able to add new nouns and verbs to TellMe so that users can use the same conversational style to perform specific actions within applications."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...oip-integration-nfc-wallet/

I don't know enough about software development to even begin to guess whether it means that there'll be an ever expanding global library of new words for TellMe, or whether each new word will only be available to a specific app.

Maybe they are added for each specific app, particularly the app name, perhaps you'll be able to tell Tellme to launch apps, I installed a crack on my 4S to enable Siri to open apps, however some apps it really can't tell I'm saying. It could never understand "Spotify" etc. Or perhaps TellMe will need specific words or commands that are unique to the apps that otherwise it'd never encounter? Scrobble in LastFM springs to mind.

McKay said,

Maybe they are added for each specific app, particularly the app name, perhaps you'll be able to tell Tellme to launch apps, I installed a crack on my 4S to enable Siri to open apps, however some apps it really can't tell I'm saying. It could never understand "Spotify" etc. Or perhaps TellMe will need specific words or commands that are unique to the apps that otherwise it'd never encounter? Scrobble in LastFM springs to mind.

Right, but you can already open apps with TellMe on WP7.

I bet this is ported from Windows (no surprise there, right? ). There is a SpeechRecognizer class in .NET that allows you to specify a grammar for speech recognition. Basically, the app can add additional commands to TellMe. These additional commands would depend on the context - which app you have open - and would trigger the app to do something instead of the OS doing something. This would extend TellMe to third party apps.

Anyway, that's how I would do it

rfirth said,

Right, but you can already open apps with TellMe on WP7

I had no idea you could Although I've only been on WP7 for just over a week now, managed to bag a Lumia 900.

Godlike_Ape said,
One detail about TellMe I found over at Ars Technica is:

"Windows Phone 8 will include a conversational speech recognition system based on the TellMe technology used in Windows Phone 7. There's a twist, though: Microsoft is making an extensible system. Application developers will be able to add new nouns and verbs to TellMe so that users can use the same conversational style to perform specific actions within applications."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...oip-integration-nfc-wallet/

I don't know enough about software development to even begin to guess whether it means that there'll be an ever expanding global library of new words for TellMe, or whether each new word will only be available to a specific app.

You'll be able to control apps with just your voice. For example, you could tell your podcast app to "Check for new podcasts" or your RSS app to "Check for new articles" without touching your phone. Or tell a music app "Play Michael Jackson" (note that Siri only limits this functionality to the Music app, which I don't use since I have Rdio). Great for when you're in the car.

You swipe to the right to get to the apps list now. Why would we assume you can no longer do that when such a basic thing, that they had no reason to show, wasn't shown? Seems rather silly to me...

guys, they clearly said WE'RE NOT RELEAVING END USER FEATURES! They said this was platform only. notification center IS A USER FEATURE.

"UEFI boot: Believe it or not, your phone is now almost identical to your computer, and uses the new, secure boot process to ensure the phone isn't tampered with. "

But... but... what if I want to install Linux!? ANTI-TRUST! :lol:

I don't know what it is about Metro that I like in XBOX but not on Windows 8 or Phone. "Also, the "Next" button in Windows Phone is still an eye sore! Do you really need a next button? when you can swipe to the left, right, up, down, etc?

MaSx said,
I don't know what it is about Metro that I like in XBOX but not on Windows 8 or Phone. "Also, the "Next" button in Windows Phone is still an eye sore! Do you really need a next button? when you can swipe to the left, right, up, down, etc?

Next button?

MaSx said,
I don't know what it is about Metro that I like in XBOX but not on Windows 8 or Phone. "Also, the "Next" button in Windows Phone is still an eye sore! Do you really need a next button? when you can swipe to the left, right, up, down, etc?

The "Next" button? What button?

rev23dev said,

I assume he's talking about the button to access the App Menu?

But he says "is still an eyesore" and it's gone in the new Start screen

Well, I hope some of these features make it to 7.8 then... Because my Nokia Lumia 800 is quite new, and when Windows 8 hits this fall and developers start making software that is compatible with Windows RT, Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, there won't be many devs making/updating apps for WinPho 7.5.
So, I hope 7.8 at least supports WinPho 8's apps in some way. It's all javascript and such, so this should be possible, right?
I really can't see why current devices won't get the upgrade though. WinPho sales are bad already, but who is going to buy a WinPho 7.5 device now?! (yes, people that don't read website probably are, but are going to get a little ****ed off when a new app store opens that they can't access).
So, I hope they make apps compatible.
With iOS and Android it's the same: most apps run happily on Android 1.6 and up, or iOS 3/4 and up. Same as with Windows basically, most software runs fine on XP and up, so even if you don't have the latest OS, you can still run the latest apps. Hope the same goes for 7.8.

More features are coming to WP7.8, they just haven't been announced yet. Also most app developers will still target WP7 as it has the biggest market share.

rvdv said,
Well, I hope some of these features make it to 7.8 then... Because my Nokia Lumia 800 is quite new, and when Windows 8 hits this fall and developers start making software that is compatible with Windows RT, Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8, there won't be many devs making/updating apps for WinPho 7.5.
So, I hope 7.8 at least supports WinPho 8's apps in some way. It's all javascript and such, so this should be possible, right?
I really can't see why current devices won't get the upgrade though. WinPho sales are bad already, but who is going to buy a WinPho 7.5 device now?! (yes, people that don't read website probably are, but are going to get a little ****ed off when a new app store opens that they can't access).
So, I hope they make apps compatible.
With iOS and Android it's the same: most apps run happily on Android 1.6 and up, or iOS 3/4 and up. Same as with Windows basically, most software runs fine on XP and up, so even if you don't have the latest OS, you can still run the latest apps. Hope the same goes for 7.8.

TBH there are a few things they could port over, IE 10, Nokia Maps, possibly a few enterprise features and the VoIP support. I'm sure more will come out in time

Reading most of this just makes me think "welcome to 2012". And no current devices will get the update? FAIL. It's been parroted ad nauseum that WP was meant to be the be all and end all solution to device fragmentation.

Javik said,
Reading most of this just makes me think "welcome to 2012". And no current devices will get the update? FAIL. It's been parroted ad nauseum that WP was meant to be the be all and end all solution to device fragmentation.

Microsoft should have just named WP7.8 as WP8 to keep you guys happy. They are just trying to be transparent with the fact that not everything is possible to port.

rfirth said,

Microsoft should have just named WP7.8 as WP8 to keep you guys happy. They are just trying to be transparent with the fact that not everything is possible to port.

Why? On the evidence of it 7.8 and 8 are going to be nothing alike apart from the front end UI.

Javik said,

Why? On the evidence of it 7.8 and 8 are going to be nothing alike apart from the front end UI.

WP7.8 has all WP8 features, just the hardware features of WP8 are not available in WP7.8. Its same like apple releasing iOS5 for old iphone models, high no., YES, but main features like SIRI is missing.

simrat said,

WP7.8 has all WP8 features, just the hardware features of WP8 are not available in WP7.8. Its same like apple releasing iOS5 for old iphone models, high no., YES, but main features like SIRI is missing.

Windows Phone 8 apps will not run on Windows Phone 7.8. A simple "renaming" is too confusing.

@__itsjono tweeted "Looking at #mobileOS. #WP has copied alot from #iOS and #Android but has done it a waaay lot better. #WindowsPhone8"

I agreed with him

What???? This was a developer's platform review, nothing more. Stop complaining about what you didn't see. Bloggers need to learn that there is something called "Audience Relevance" for events like these. They can't talk about end UI features yet, because... they can't... Dev's don't care about those details as much as end users. All they need to know is what features they can integrate with the OS, and they heard it! Why give Google a peak at what they're doing now already, so they could race and add it to their next release before Microsoft. As a developer myself, I like what I have seen and am pretty happy with that. As for other apps, you think Microsoft is that dumb to have you pin all apps to the start screen?? They are not doing it in Windows 8, why would they do it in Windows Phone 8? In Windows 8 there is universal search, there is unpin from start etc. So don't you think they will built that feature in WP8 also, since it is the same core? Come on people, give me a break, you sound like expecting to see all the details of a baby, while it is still in a fetus state, and because you can't see everything yet, well, than it can't be good... abort it. Only judge something when you see the final version.

vhaakmat said,
What???? This was a developer's platform review, nothing more. Stop complaining about what you didn't see. Bloggers need to learn that there is something called "Audience Relevance" for events like these. They can't talk about end UI features yet, because... they can't... Dev's don't care about those details as much as end users. All they need to know is what features they can integrate with the OS, and they heard it! Why give Google a peak at what they're doing now already, so they could race and add it to their next release before Microsoft. As a developer myself, I like what I have seen and am pretty happy with that. As for other apps, you think Microsoft is that dumb to have you pin all apps to the start screen?? They are not doing it in Windows 8, why would they do it in Windows Phone 8? In Windows 8 there is universal search, there is unpin from start etc. So don't you think they will built that feature in WP8 also, since it is the same core? Come on people, give me a break, you sound like expecting to see all the details of a baby, while it is still in a fetus state, and because you can't see everything yet, well, than it can't be good... abort it. Only judge something when you see the final version.

We aren't complaining, it's just an analysis of what we know.

On the developer side of things, if it is easy to take a WinRT app and convert it to a WP8 app, there shouldn't be an app shortage issue.

DClark said,
On the developer side of things, if it is easy to take a WinRT app and convert it to a WP8 app, there shouldn't be an app shortage issue.

Definitely. This will definitely accelerate the rate of growth of apps on the platform.

Pretty cool - it all goes down to each person's preferences. I know that I like large icons for texts so I can preview the newest text - that saves a tap if a response is not required. Same for some of my email accounts, whereas as others I prefer a small icon just telling the amount of unread emails.

The level of transparency on current devices still amazes me, if all we'll get is 7.8 and IF all that is is a new start screen then I'll not be happy! Ive been crying out for the VoiP API's mainly (for Skype and Lync) along with a few other features.

They need to level with us now, I simply cant recommend another WP7 device until things are clearer!

duddit2 said,
The level of transparency on current devices still amazes me, if all we'll get is 7.8 and IF all that is is a new start screen then I'll not be happy! Ive been crying out for the VoiP API's mainly (for Skype and Lync) along with a few other features.

They need to level with us now, I simply cant recommend another WP7 device until things are clearer!


I believe things will become A LOT more clear when they show off what Joe called "End User" functionality

duddit2 said,
The level of transparency on current devices still amazes me, if all we'll get is 7.8 and IF all that is is a new start screen then I'll not be happy! Ive been crying out for the VoiP API's mainly (for Skype and Lync) along with a few other features.

They need to level with us now, I simply cant recommend another WP7 device until things are clearer!

I would say you shouldn't recommend another WP7 device; I will stop recommending that any of my friends join the platform until WP8. I'm slightly peeved that my Lumia 900 is EOL, but I had always planned on buying into WP8.

I would have been a lot more peeved had they not brought on the technical lead to speak about the sandbox being linked to hardware requirements. I took that to assume that it probably communicates with the low level hardware. Further, I imagine that this hardware did not exist on WP7, which to me, sounds like about the only justifiable reason to _not_ backport the Windows 8 kernel, which itself has been shown to run on WP7-level hardware: the rest of the infrastructure would simply not work.

"No support for creating games in .NET! Either use a broken language that has plusses in the name, or use third-party libraries, because we won't provide anything in that department!"

Says MS to thousands of XNA devs. **** you MS.

Dr_Asik said,
"No support for creating games in .NET! Either use a broken language that has plusses in the name, or use third-party libraries, because we won't provide anything in that department!"

Says MS to thousands of XNA devs. **** you MS.

But I thought they said the FULL .Net Framework was brought over to WP8.
I also thought they said "suggested" or "guidelines" for making a game or app that is less work to work on both WP8 and Win8.
I could be taking your comment out of context as i'm not an XNA developer tho.

Dr_Asik said,
Says MS to thousands of XNA devs. **** you MS.

Microsoft still supports WP7 apps on WP8... games on WP7 are XNA... therefore, they can't not support XNA...

harveyt said,

But I thought they said the FULL .Net Framework was brought over to WP8.
I also thought they said "suggested" or "guidelines" for making a game or app that is less work to work on both WP8 and Win8.
I could be taking your comment out of context as i'm not an XNA developer tho.


You would be correct...

rfirth said,

Microsoft still supports WP7 apps on WP8... games on WP7 are XNA... therefore, they can't not support XNA...

XNA is supported as a legacy option, it's not actively developed anymore and you won't be able to use it to build metro apps. XNA is going the way of Managed DirectX.

Microsoft has stated quite clearly that the way forward for game developers was C++.

Dr_Asik said,
"No support for creating games in .NET! Either use a broken language that has plusses in the name, or use third-party libraries, because we won't provide anything in that department!"

Says MS to thousands of XNA devs. **** you MS.

Games can be written in XNA, but they will only support WP7 and WP8. Games written in DirectX and C++ will support Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 (a potentially MUCH larger market). Plus, most game engines and libraries are already written in C++ and DirectX, so it's the preferred platform for a reason.

FoxieFoxie said,

They do

the teeny-tiny ones ...a third smaller size than what is available currently...It would make it better for mouse users...

"The video shows the user grabbing a tile and resizing it, and the "unpin" button appears to be gone."

1:09 in the video - resizes the messaging tile and the unpin button is visible

Carriers still have to approve updates: Sorry guys, Microsoft still hasn't cracked this one yet.

That's partially true. Microsoft mentioned that users can opt-in for early updates bypassing the carriers (but it will not be default).

BajiRav said,
Carriers still have to approve updates: Sorry guys, Microsoft still hasn't cracked this one yet.

That's partially true. Microsoft mentioned that users can opt-in for early updates bypassing the carriers (but it will not be default).

Anyone who cares for the updates will just do the opt-in choice

BajiRav said,
Carriers still have to approve updates: Sorry guys, Microsoft still hasn't cracked this one yet.

That's partially true. Microsoft mentioned that users can opt-in for early updates bypassing the carriers (but it will not be default).


I know that's my plan, but it would be nice if they could cut the carriers out of this entirely. The carriers aren't doing anything good...

Just because they didn't show something like notifications doesn't mean it's not there. The whole point of the event was how WP8 is based on shared code with Windows 8. Windows 8 has it's whole notification system, so why wouldn't WP8? It's smart on their part not to let the whole cat out of the bag yet. Still have time till this hits the market, I expect more details to come out over time.

GP007 said,
Just because they didn't show something like notifications doesn't mean it's not there. The whole point of the event was how WP8 is based on shared code with Windows 8. Windows 8 has it's whole notification system, so why wouldn't WP8? It's smart on their part not to let the whole cat out of the bag yet. Still have time till this hits the market, I expect more details to come out over time.

That's why it's written under "what we don't know"

Owen W said,

That's why it's written under "what we don't know"

Where it states an absurdity like that we would be required to pin everything to the start menu when the unpin icon is clearly visible... Wher would they go? So you also argue that rather than notification area they would rely on this here as well? If it's something we don't know, it should be left at that...

GP007 said,
Windows 8 has it's whole notification system,
Are you talking about the toast notification (popup in the corner of the screen) ? Because the same thing is used inside WP7 system apps and can be used by 3rd party apps inside WP8, as seen on the videos today.

GP007 said,
Just because they didn't show something like notifications doesn't mean it's not there. The whole point of the event was how WP8 is based on shared code with Windows 8. Windows 8 has it's whole notification system, so why wouldn't WP8? It's smart on their part not to let the whole cat out of the bag yet. Still have time till this hits the market, I expect more details to come out over time.

Windows 8 doesn't have a notification center, though, which is what that point refers to in the article.

Anthonyd said,
Are you talking about the toast notification (popup in the corner of the screen) ? Because the same thing is used inside WP7 system apps and can be used by 3rd party apps inside WP8, as seen on the videos today.

Developers could do that right from the start with Windows Phone 7