Windows Phone exec thinks the OS is "looking gooooood"

It was bad news for Samsung and good news for Apple in a San Jose courtroom today, as the jury found that Samsung must pay just over $1 billion to Apple for design patent violations. While Samsung will likely appeal today's decision, the consequences of the jury's verdict will affect the entire tech industry for years.

At least one Microsoft executive seems to be happy about today's court victory by Apple. Bill Cox, who serves as the Senior Director of Marketing and Communications for Microsoft's Windows Phone division, posted a Twitter message just after the verdict went public, saying simply, "Windows Phone is looking gooooood right now."

Of course, Samsung just happens to be one of Microsoft's hardware partners for Windows Phone and the company will be launching new products this fall that will have Windows Phone 8 installed. It's more than possible that, in light of today's court decision, Samsung could be rethinking its current Android hardware relationship and could see itself supporting more Windows Phone products.

Keep in mind that Apple's legal team used a Nokia Lumia based on Windows Phone 7.5 in their case against Samsung, stating, "Not every smartphone needs to look like an iPhone."

Source: Bill Cox Twitter page | Image via Twitter

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Chugworth said,
Looking good? Last I checked, they were still using the Metro ("Modern", or whatever they're calling it now) interface.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

Did anyone expect a Windows Phone exec to twitter something like: "Windows Phone is looking really bad right now"?

This is not news, this is advertising, from both the exec and neowin.

OEMS of windows phones are protected by Microsoft for the software side of things so they don't have to worry about lawsuits stemming from the operating system. This is slowly becoming more convenient to OEMS as android is slowing down its innovation. Android is just a trend and things always change. Carriers just rape and pillage until it is no longer convenient and profitable. Android is on the way out....

I can't wait for WP8! WP7 has been doing what I want my cell phone to do and it's actually nice not to have something that just about everyone else has.

Samsung just got caught cutting corners on their devices. Unfortunately, they cut their corners too much, making them look like Apple's.

windows phone isn't looking any better than it has in the 2 1/2 years it's been out. point being i was in at&t yesterday looking at the nokia's, the one x and the sg3. the sales rep owned a nokia and i asked him if he thought i should get one over the one x or another andorid and he said no. he also said the rest of the employees there in the store give him nothing but crap over owning one. this is the mentality of the sales rep and this is why windows phone is not selling well here in the US. the guy told me flat out it's a very limited phone and not better than android.

The only limitation I have with WP7 is a few missing features and some apps that don't exist for WP yet. WP8 should hopefully address a lot of those issues both on the developer side and the OS feature set, so it'll be a very capable platform. Hardware wise, I don't have any problems with Windows Phone, since Microsoft has done a good job of keeping hardware requirements in line with the current version of the OS (i.e. no laggy devices).

Oh, and WP hasn't even been out for 2 years yet, not 2.5 like you say.

It's funny how many fail to realize that Apple and Microsoft have made an agreement. Microsoft can use certain patents as long as they're not outright copying the iOS user experience, which they're not.

.Neo said,
It's funny how many fail to realize that Apple and Microsoft have made an agreement. Microsoft can use certain patents as long as they're not outright copying the iOS user experience, which they're not.

I find it rather irritating tbh.

Apple would never even dream of coming after MS because first and foremost of there cross licensing agreement. Apple would use alot of MS's patents for there OS and MS in turn would use theres and if it does break down and MS will win the patent dispute OSX and iOS would be unable to be sold anymore, then bye bye apple your company is offically dead. MS bailed apple out in the 90's i think it was so without MS apple probably would not be around to even create the stupid iphone and stuff.

Why would apple come after WP, from WP8 it shares the same kernel and stuff as windows 8 and is designed to be fluid across phone tablet and desktop, theyd have to say its also infringing on OSX to. Also all the stuff in WP8 will be innovative and contain stuff thats bin in the works for years unlike apples code copy and pasters change the colour scheme and voila we invented it.

Im never buying an apple product again, there full of crap and i hate them for there ethics or lack of them

Yup, Apple's victory is indirectly one for Microsoft as well, since this is a direct sign that Microsoft's strategy has been the correct one. Innovate and spend months and months in R&D to make something fresh and different instead of trying to be cheap.

When Samsung slides started appearing in the trial about "design crisis" and direct comparisons with iPhones and what to take from then, internal memos about concerns on how "it looks too similar to iPhones", it just got plain embarassing to watch the show.

Apple won't go after Microsoft's current Windows Phone platform like they have with Samsung. It will be great to see hard work pay off -- hard work Apple spent, and hard work Microsoft spent.

I bet you that MS had all those slides too.

I guarantee you that Microsoft researched what the iPhone did well and decided to use those ideas.

They would be STUPID to not do that. Any company does that.

Northgrove said,
Yup, Apple's victory is indirectly one for Microsoft as well, since this is a direct sign that Microsoft's strategy has been the correct one. Innovate and spend months and months in R&D to make something fresh and different instead of trying to be cheap.

Except that WP infringes the same patents as Samsung. It's only because Apple has a cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft that OEM's aren't getting sued. That and the fact that WP doesn't pose a competitive threat to Apple.

Northgrove said,

Apple won't go after Microsoft's current Windows Phone platform like they have with Samsung. It will be great to see hard work pay off -- hard work Apple spent, and hard work Microsoft spent.

If WP had the marketshare of Android, you can bet that Apple would be going after WP OEM's. As it currently stands, WP is too insignificant to be deemed a threat.

simplezz said,

Except that WP infringes the same patents as Samsung. It's only because Apple has a cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft that OEM's aren't getting sued. That and the fact that WP doesn't pose a competitive threat to Apple.

If WP had the marketshare of Android, you can bet that Apple would be going after WP OEM's. As it currently stands, WP is too insignificant to be deemed a threat.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if Ms and Apple have a cross licencing agreement then how can MS be infringing Apple Patents?

Maybe once expired they might, but bearing in mind that it is probably safe to say that both sides have an equal dependency on each others licensed tech, I would doubt a court case would materialise. Apple and MS going to court over patents would be the tech equivalent of the Cold War going Hot.

Greg Bell_404955 said,
Correct me if I am wrong, but if Ms and Apple have a cross licencing agreement then how can MS be infringing Apple Patents?

Maybe once expired they might, but bearing in mind that it is probably safe to say that both sides have an equal dependency on each others licensed tech, I would doubt a court case would materialise. Apple and MS going to court over patents would be the tech equivalent of the Cold War going Hot.

There is a stipulation against blatant copying vs. being inspired by. I assume you visit other technology websites because the issue has been well and truly addressed by multiple outlets.

Person who works for the product team thinks own product looks good.....full news at 10.

The Windows Phone Exec is hardly going to turn round and say Windows Phone looks like crap is he......

TheLegendOfMart said,
Person who works for the product team thinks own product looks good.....full news at 10.

The Windows Phone Exec is hardly going to turn round and say Windows Phone looks like crap is he......

If he was truly a great inventor and designer, he would admit if something he made looks like crap.

But I doubt he is. (not saying that WP looks like crap, just stating that there are some good and intelligent people who would be honest about the own things they made)

12.7 million Windows phones weere sold worldwide so far this year. That is a tiny percentage compared to the competition but it is growing significantly faster than the competition and WP8 hasn't been released yet.

I don't think anything can be read into the Apple vs Samsung judgement in respect to WP plus there will probably be a lengthy appeal.

funny... when wp8 is ditched and wp9 comes out they will probably say the same thing....
wp is trying to get some sympathy from users here..... trying to at least make people buy the phone hahaha...

still1 said,
funny... when wp8 is ditched and wp9 comes out they will probably say the same thing....
wp is trying to get some sympathy from users here..... trying to at least make people buy the phone hahaha...

Yeah a way better strategy would be to say "we don't like it" every time they release something. They should probably shut up and never use any communication whatsoever and just stop developing WP. A market where two (or preferably one) OS rules them all is always the best way for consumers! We all know that from history (Windows)!

Pettor said,

Yeah a way better strategy would be to say "we don't like it" every time they release something. They should probably shut up and never use any communication whatsoever and just stop developing WP. A market where two (or preferably one) OS rules them all is always the best way for consumers! We all know that from history (Windows)!

hahahaha This ^

I had a client call me and say he switched to an iPhone from his blackberry and when I showed up to configure it.. it was a Samsung Galaxy III.. I snickered to myself.

R3DL1N3 said,
I had a client call me and say he switched to an iPhone from his blackberry and when I showed up to configure it.. it was a Samsung Galaxy III.. I snickered to myself.

yet the s3 looks liek nothing like the iphone, none of our samsung products we have had here look anything like it

R3DL1N3 said,
I had a client call me and say he switched to an iPhone from his blackberry and when I showed up to configure it.. it was a Samsung Galaxy III.. I snickered to myself.

Tell that to Apple, SIII was not part of lawsuit, they will sue Samsung again!

R3DL1N3 said,
I had a client call me and say he switched to an iPhone from his blackberry and when I showed up to configure it.. it was a Samsung Galaxy III.. I snickered to myself.

And OMG I had a person call his car a toyota when it was actually a Hyundai!

Microsoft and Apple will be taking a large chunk of the profit for android phones. Do you really think these oems are gonna keep making so many android phones just hand over the money to apple and Microsoft lol, its about time we rid the world of the crap that is android.

korupt_one said,
Microsoft and Apple will be taking a large chunk of the profit for android phones. Do you really think these oems are gonna keep making so many android phones just hand over the money to apple and Microsoft lol, its about time we rid the world of the crap that is android.

It's about time we rid Neowin of crap posts like yours!!

ingramator said,

The truth is, Android is shiit.

The truth is, that's an opinion and the opinion of someone who has never used Android at that.

apple just won a billion from Samsung,and future earnings will be minimum $30 a handset.

Microsoft just made ~$800 million in Q2 off android manufacturers.

That's what happens when you are a Copy Cat artist(google and android oems).

Moral of the story, don't steal.

vcfan said,
apple just won a billion from Samsung,and future earnings will be minimum $30 a handset.

Microsoft just made ~$800 million in Q2 off android manufacturers.

That's what happens when you are a Copy Cat artist(google and android oems).

Moral of the story, don't steal.

Stealing, don't quite get that, considering that Samsung had an "iPhone" like phone out on the market before Apple did. Strange how that is.

hagjohn said,

Stealing, don't quite get that, considering that Samsung had an "iPhone" like phone out on the market before Apple did. Strange how that is.

Exactly. But fanboys will think what they want to think.

There really aren't that many different ways to do a similar idea. Say there's a ladder, and you need to get to the roof. 99% of people will decide to climb the ladder. 1% may decide to parkour climb up the roof without the ladder.

Why should doing what the other 99% already do be punished? Being different just for the sake of being different is NOT a good thing.

hagjohn said,

Stealing, don't quite get that, considering that Samsung had an "iPhone" like phone out on the market before Apple did. Strange how that is.

Which one? I find it quite hard to believe after this judgement. It would have been a strong evidence for Samsung at the court if they had a phone like that you mention.

vcfan said,
Moral of the story, don't steal.

Then neither Apple nor Microsoft would be where they are today.

Also: Didn't Apple just lose a case in the UK and has to officially announce that (afair) Samsung didn't steal from them? Funny how these things work....

dr_crabman said,

Then neither Apple nor Microsoft would be where they are today.

Also: Didn't Apple just lose a case in the UK and has to officially announce that (afair) Samsung didn't steal from them? Funny how these things work....

Apple appealed it AFAIK, but they did lose against HTC here in the UK and had three of their precious patents invalidated, slide-to-unlock feature, alphabet changing, and the ability to touch two parts of the screen simultaneously (dual-touch).

https://dottech.org/tech-news/...-rules-htc-doesnt-infringe/

If that happens, that's the end of buying Samsung products for me. I will be buying whatever the next Nexus though; if I have a choice of 5 different manufactures, I will most likely choose SONY.

McoreD said,
If that happens, that's the end of buying Samsung products for me. I will be buying whatever the next Nexus though; if I have a choice of 5 different manufactures, I will most likely choose SONY.

This verdict will sway your 5 other companies away from android, HTC is going down the crapper with Android, The only company that has been making money from android is Samsung and they just got a big smack on the bum today, Microsoft and Apple taking maybe $45-60 dollars a handset will make them think twice about supporting android down the road.

korupt_one said,

This verdict will sway your 5 other companies away from android, HTC is going down the crapper with Android, The only company that has been making money from android is Samsung and they just got a big smack on the bum today, Microsoft and Apple taking maybe $45-60 dollars a handset will make them think twice about supporting android down the road.

Yea, Android is not going away and this will not sway other companies in the least. And the SIII is still on sale and was not part of this suit. SIII had over 10mil preorders and is now the most preordered gadget. So that is where Samsung is making most of its money ATM.

McoreD said,
If that happens, that's the end of buying Samsung products for me. I will be buying whatever the next Nexus though; if I have a choice of 5 different manufactures, I will most likely choose SONY.

Looking forward to the Sony Nexus as well. I like they way their phones look and will be pure Google OS.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

Me either. I only see people with some iteration of an iPhone, or an Android phone.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

Then you're not hanging out where are the cool kids are at

kidding

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

don't really care much for type of phones other people have.
all i know is that i've got one and it's great.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

Indeed.

Windows Phone may be looking good now, but this will only last for the duration of the cross-licensing agreement with Apple.

If they don't get a large installed base before the cross-licensing agreement ends, then Apple will hold the upper hand when it comes time to renew. In that case, they'd be wishing that Samsung had won.

TomJones said,

If they don't get a large installed base before the cross-licensing agreement ends, then Apple will hold the upper hand when it comes time to renew. In that case, they'd be wishing that Samsung had won.

Why? It's not like Windows Phone is borrowing much from Apple anyway.

TomJones said,

Indeed.

Windows Phone may be looking good now, but this will only last for the duration of the cross-licensing agreement with Apple.

If they don't get a large installed base before the cross-licensing agreement ends, then Apple will hold the upper hand when it comes time to renew. In that case, they'd be wishing that Samsung had won.


the funny thing is, even without the cross-licensing, I don't think Apple would sue Microsoft over Windows Phone. Windows Phone is original enough, and Apple wouldn't have a very strong case.

I just made a turkey sandwich and I think it's looking goooood

Wake me up when some company other than Microsoft says the same about WP8.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

I'm sorry, but that's one of the most childish things one can say.

"I haven't seen anyone driving a ford sedan in my country, therefore it's rubbish/doesn't sell/no one wants it/etc."

One person =/= The whole market

rfirth said,

Why? It's not like Windows Phone is borrowing much from Apple anyway.

Have you seen how broad Apple's patents are? Every phone in existence infringes on them.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

Which is one of the reasons I'm considering buying one.

simplezz said,
Have you seen how broad Apple's patents are? Every phone in existence infringes on them.

Apple knows better than to **** off MS, there are reasons they don't sue each other and phone patents are only a small part of that.

myxomatosis said,
I don't know, never seen anyone using a Windows Phone

I see them around. There's enough people ion my area using them. Just had a friend switch off Android the other day to a Windows Phone.

aviator189 said,

don't really care much for type of phones other people have.
all i know is that i've got one and it's great.

Same here, I don't choose my phone based on what everyone else has. I've never had an iPhone because it just seems they are everywhere. Thats the same reason I never got a Razr (sp) or Blackberry. Now its the Android phones that are everywhere and I really don't like Android so I waited to see what WP7 would be like before I chose my first smartphone and I liked it so thats the platform I chose for me.

TomJones said,

Indeed.

Windows Phone may be looking good now, but this will only last for the duration of the cross-licensing agreement with Apple.

If they don't get a large installed base before the cross-licensing agreement ends, then Apple will hold the upper hand when it comes time to renew. In that case, they'd be wishing that Samsung had won.

I think you failed to realize that the cross-licensing agreement extends well beyond mobile technology patents. Microsoft holds a lot a patents relating to PC software and hardware just as Apple does. It would be a mistake for Apple to challenge Microsoft on that front because it would gain them nothing. Both Apple and Microsoft know this and that's why they entered into the agreement. Why you would think Apple holds are the cards when it comes to patents is shortsighted!

NPGMBR said,
Same here, I don't choose my phone based on what everyone else has.

NPGMBR said,
I've never had an iPhone because it just seems they are everywhere. Thats the same reason I never got a Razr (sp) or Blackberry.

So you do infact choose your phone based on what everyone else has just saying

NPGMBR said,

I think you failed to realize that the cross-licensing agreement extends well beyond mobile technology patents. Microsoft holds a lot a patents relating to PC software and hardware just as Apple does. It would be a mistake for Apple to challenge Microsoft on that front because it would gain them nothing. Both Apple and Microsoft know this and that's why they entered into the agreement. Why you would think Apple holds are the cards when it comes to patents is shortsighted!

I didn't fail to realize that at all. I understand that it is a broad cross-license covering the entirety of the two companies' patent portfolios.

Let me put it this way. The 1997 cross-licensing agreement was not a no-fee cross-license. It actually required Microsoft to pay Apple an undisclosed sum of money for the license. And this was when Apple was in terrible shape and Microsoft held the upper hand!

Apple has historically managed to get the upper hand in its agreements with other companies. From getting Xerox to license its groundbreaking UI work for peanuts, to getting Microsoft to bail it out, to getting the music studios to agree to license their content out on sweetheart terms that nobody else has been able to obtain.

Thus, it would be a mistake for Microsoft to assume that it could get a fair deal next time around. Instead of crowing over Samsung's loss, Microsoft should think about the ramifications of a decision that only strengthened Apple's grip over mobile telephony.

TomJones said,

I didn't fail to realize that at all. I understand that it is a broad cross-license covering the entirety of the two companies' patent portfolios.

Let me put it this way. The 1997 cross-licensing agreement was not a no-fee cross-license. It actually required Microsoft to pay Apple an undisclosed sum of money for the license. And this was when Apple was in terrible shape and Microsoft held the upper hand!

Apple has historically managed to get the upper hand in its agreements with other companies. From getting Xerox to license its groundbreaking UI work for peanuts, to getting Microsoft to bail it out, to getting the music studios to agree to license their content out on sweetheart terms that nobody else has been able to obtain.

Thus, it would be a mistake for Microsoft to assume that it could get a fair deal next time around. Instead of crowing over Samsung's loss, Microsoft should think about the ramifications of a decision that only strengthened Apple's grip over mobile telephony.

My point is that both companies have something to lose by going after each other. They enjoy an agreement that beneifts both organizations. Apple hold ALL the cards. They need support from Micosoft and vice versa.