Windows RT tablets get price cuts, except for Surface RT

Microsoft was the first to launch a tablet with its Windows RT OS, the Surface RT, but other PC makers such as Lenovo, Dell and Asus have launched their own tablets running on Microsoft's ARM processor-based OS. Now those PC OEMs are cutting prices on those tablets, while Microsoft's Surface RT has kept its price since it launched five month ago.

Computerworld.com reports that the price for the Asus VivoTab RT tablet, which launched at $599 with 32 GB of storage, can now be bought for as low as $377.99 on Amazon. Dell's Windows RT model, the XPS 10, is priced at $449 for the 32 GB model, down $50 from its original price. The 64 GB version is now priced at $499, down $100 from its starting price point. Lenovo's IdeaPad Yoga 11 notebook-tablet convertible is currently being sold for $499 by Amazon down $200 from its staring price.

While Microsoft has yet to cut the price of the Surface RT, the company's own Microsoft Store  has price cuts on other Windows 8-based PCs. That includes the Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T tablet for $699, down from $899, and the HP ENVY x2, which is currently priced at $599, well below its normal $849 price tag.

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silly reply.

any tablet is usefull to the person using it, or he/she wouldn't bought in the first place.

troll along.... nothing to see here....

The most questions I've seen on the new slew of tablets & hybrids is "Why are they so much more expensive than iPads and Androids?"

And I have to admit that the price difference is sometimes a bit odd, even when you take in account $80-100 for the OS (rumor mill $) for the OEM, and the touchscreen.

For instance, look at the Android and W8 Transformer prices, or the Lenovo ones, there's a big gap. Are the additional touchscreens so expensive and more cumbersome to implement that it will explain the difference in price?

If these W8 tablets are the same, or a little bit more expensive than their iOS/Android counterparts, it would make them easier to sell. Especially the Atom ones, as they can run the basic desktop software as well.

And MS Surface tablets with new hardware are just a matter of time, and the nature of things.

spudtrooper said,
Nice pricing, some real values out there now in Windows 8 Tablets. I wonder if this is a sign of Tegra 4 coming soon?

It could be? MS not cutting prices on it's own surface devices just means they're not ready to pump out a new version. I think we'll see surface rt and pro price drops as we get closer to any v2 devices from them while the other OEMs release newer devices faster.

I can't help but wonder just how committed Microsoft is to RT. I fear a Zune type ending along the same timeline. I hope it succeeds as down the road it has such potential and integration possibilities could really be something special...last and next couple of years are awkward across the board as mobile develops.

Hahaiah said,
I can't help but wonder just how committed Microsoft is to RT. I fear a Zune type ending along the same timeline. I hope it succeeds as down the road it has such potential and integration possibilities could really be something special...last and next couple of years are awkward across the board as mobile develops.

They're not giving up on it, if anything RT will benefit the most so far from the changes we see in Blue. RT and mobile is going to be a big part of the market any way you look at it, once the metro APIs mature more and can give us bigger apps we'll see the desktop come off on RT devices. I wouldn't be surprised if MS releases a smaller surface rt without the desktop at all this holiday, without office though.

TPreston said,
Taking off the desktop would be idiocy turning it from a close to desktop os to an I-fart launcher.

The desktop doesn't work on a tablet, specially a smaller screen one. We've been down this road before with windows 7 and it doesn't work at all. If you have the apps and access to the settings you need on the metro side then you don't need the desktop on something like RT tablets.

No one's saying they'll remove it from the x86 version but that's a different device and market.

GP007 said,

The desktop doesn't work on a tablet, specially a smaller screen one. We've been down this road before with windows 7 and it doesn't work at all. If you have the apps and access to the settings you need on the metro side then you don't need the desktop on something like RT tablets.

No one's saying they'll remove it from the x86 version but that's a different device and market.

I would argue that this is just your personal experience: I have used a Tablet PC with a 12.1" display since launch with XP Tablet and I never had an issue using the desktop.
Granted I use my Tablet with the pen and I do so because, IMO, the greatest feature of a Tablet PC is the handwriting capability.

Fritzly said,

I would argue that this is just your personal experience: I have used a Tablet PC with a 12.1" display since launch with XP Tablet and I never had an issue using the desktop.
Granted I use my Tablet with the pen and I do so because, IMO, the greatest feature of a Tablet PC is the handwriting capability.

Then the same applies to you as well. I'm looking at past history though, the market never wanted XP or 7 tablets or slates. In the end they were a niche market. Once we got things with more finger friendly UIs the tablet market has exploded. You can't argue this, it's just fact. Also, 12" is on the big side of what most consumers look for in a tablet. Try the desktop on a 7" screen, make it a full hd 1080p one to. You'll have to jack up the desktop UI to like, 200DPI to even start to get it semi-usable with fingers.

I'm just going with what the market wants and it hasn't been the windows desktop fo years now. I'll be surprised if RT doesn't drop the desktop as soon as two things happen. First they have metro office apps and second they add as much of the core OS controls hidden in the desktop UI to the new metro side. The blue leak shows that they're starting to do the second already so it's only a matter of time now.

GP007 said,

Then the same applies to you as well. I'm looking at past history though, the market never wanted XP or 7 tablets or slates. In the end they were a niche market. Once we got things with more finger friendly UIs the tablet market has exploded. You can't argue this, it's just fact. Also, 12" is on the big side of what most consumers look for in a tablet. Try the desktop on a 7" screen, make it a full hd 1080p one to. You'll have to jack up the desktop UI to like, 200DPI to even start to get it semi-usable with fingers.

I'm just going with what the market wants and it hasn't been the windows desktop fo years now. I'll be surprised if RT doesn't drop the desktop as soon as two things happen. First they have metro office apps and second they add as much of the core OS controls hidden in the desktop UI to the new metro side. The blue leak shows that they're starting to do the second already so it's only a matter of time now.

Yes of course it is my experience and I am indeed someone who use a computer for leisure as well as for business; as for Tablet size I would say that it depends what do you use them for:
12" screens Tablets resemble the size of a notepad which, since the time I was in school, I always used to take notes. In a business, production oriented environment, is much better than a 7" one. Do I need to take notes, make a basic diagram etc. etc.? Never beat handwriting capability. Touch? An added, welcome bonus but, for example, if the choice was touch or Handwriting I would choose the latter without hesitation.

Of course if I am seating on a couch browsing internet, pictures or other mundane tasks a 7" device could be all right but we are talking about media consumption devices.

Bottom line is that for a consumer, media consumption oriented device the desktop could be unnecessary.... when Metro will have matured enough; business oriented devices? It is a long way to Tipperary.....

There is nothing wrong with RT tablets? Idk whats wrong with you guys. Do you expect an android tablet to run like full fledged ubuntu linux or suse? I dont think so. So quit acting like RT needs to do everything that the full blown windows 8 does. RT works great for doing TABLET THINGS, HENCE WHY ITS A TABLET.

i remember articles about how the general public will get confused by microsofts' branding of rt and 8

however i think it's the other way around: the tech-geek community (or at least a portion of it) got confused; "it's called windows, so why my warez photoshop won't install?"

windows rt is like android or ios, only giving MORE in terms of os function and it's for arm tablets; while windows 8 is a full os an win8 tablets are tablet-form PCs
this is too difficult for some...

morden said,
...

When a person buys a WinRT tablet, they will be upset because they cannot run the programs that they do on their desktop, and will return it for a device like an iPad or Android.

That is the story we are told, anyway.

SoylentG said,

When a person buys a WinRT tablet, they will be upset because they cannot run the programs that they do on their desktop, and will return it for a device like an iPad or Android.

That is the story we are told, anyway.

And then they can magically install those programs that they could install on a desktop... on their iPad/Android tablet?

SoylentG said,

When a person buys a WinRT tablet, they will be upset because they cannot run the programs that they do on their desktop, and will return it for a device like an iPad or Android.

That is the story we are told, anyway.

which is surely crap 'cause those apps won't run on ios or android either - however on rt at least office is there, maybe the most important of software

Yes and no I think. People want to run their old apps on Surface RT, because there's not a lot of Modern UI apps for it they want to run.

SoylentG said,

When a person buys a WinRT tablet, they will be upset because they cannot run the programs that they do on their desktop, and will return it for a device like an iPad or Android.

That is the story we are told, anyway.

morden said,

windows rt is like android or ios, only giving MORE in terms of os function

Really ? What's more? It's unclear . Except a locked down system, to install apps from a particular store, I miss what is the advantage over android.

MidTxWRX said,

And then they can magically install those programs that they could install on a desktop... on their iPad/Android tablet?

Which is why what a number of people say is such a joke. There are claims that a vast majority of all people do is web browsing and email. But supposedly RT is becoming a failure and being returned in droves because people are confused when they cannot install their desktop apps on a RT device. But if all we need to do is web and mail, then what do you need to install desktop apps for?

it's actually good for touch, does not lag all day, secure, has an office suite that can be used for actual work and has a big dealbreaker: snap view and these are just a few and before any major update

if you are looking for running warez games and swallow as many malware as there is than by all means, android is the way forward

you seem to be forgetting the very high prices. Also it can't do everything win8 can do, there is no outlook for example and no active directory support.

well, let me examine your points:
1- snap view -> ok this one is great
2- android malware -> no reason to get any malware , if you stick to the "official" store.
And regarding warez , well, you are right.
3- outlook -> I guess this one interest only business ?
4- active directory support -> only interesting for business.
5- office: there are office alternative in android, and it's not convenient anyway
with a tablet. This is more interesting for business.

Off course, the question if business / society are interested by windows RT, or would prefer windows 8/7.

bigmehdi said,

2- android malware -> no reason to get any malware , if you stick to the "official" store.

How often do people keep repeating this junk? Time and time again there has been malware in the Google store. It hasn't even been a rare situation but quite a frequent one especially compared to the iTunes store or windows store (so far).

Both my 65+ YO parents love the Surface RTs I bought them on launch day. Though for me they are under powered.

I think they are great devices for 95% of the population that, Tweets, checks emails and shops Amazon.

Drop the Price to $299 I will buy 2 more.

theyarecomingforyou said,
If you think that 95% of the population uses Twitter then I really don't know what to say.

You meant what to tweet?

This of how a company sells high-end toys, and a whole lot of what Microsoft is doing with Surface and tablets running Windows-8 makes a lot of sense.

Just go ahead and cut the price to $100.00 and pull the bandaid off quick, like HP did. The only difference? HP's TouchPad was actually worth a LOT more than the $100.00 they sold it for, whereas these PoS aren't even worth $100.00.*

*Unless some other OS can be installed on them

runningnak3d said,
Just go ahead and cut the price to $100.00 and pull the bandaid off quick, like HP did. The only difference? HP's TouchPad was actually worth a LOT more than the $100.00 they sold it for, whereas these PoS aren't even worth $100.00.*

*Unless some other OS can be installed on them

PoS? Perhaps if you're born in the stone age and stil have a lot of applications from the past that you don't dare to replace.

I'll be the first to agree that RT isn't suited for companies due to their legacy applications. They would be as useless as an iPad in such a scenario. However for most consumers RT is a perfectly fine OS. In fact its better then regular Windows 8 for some people. It runs on cheaper and lighter hardware.

The way I see it most consumers arent die hard gamers so regular Windows is experiencing a slow death. Android and iOS will slowly improve as they can take on more tasks that average consumers use PCs for. Currently an iPad can already do the vast majority of tasks the average consumer uses a PC for. Enter Windows 8: the generation switching OS. It allows consumers to run desktop applications while also making Windows ready for the future of lighter and more mobile computers. It does so by building up a library of modern apps that run on both old and new hardware such as RT tablets.

Windows RT is the future as it is the only Windows that can compete with Android on price. And price is stil the most important factor for most consumers. Of course not to us tech enthousiasts so perhaps you can't relate and therefore call it a PoS.

Ronnet said,

PoS? Perhaps if you're born in the stone age and stil have a lot of applications from the past that you don't dare to replace.

I'll be the first to agree that RT isn't suited for companies due to their legacy applications. They would be as useless as an iPad in such a scenario. However for most consumers RT is a perfectly fine OS. In fact its better then regular Windows 8 for some people. It runs on cheaper and lighter hardware.

The way I see it most consumers arent die hard gamers so regular Windows is experiencing a slow death. Android and iOS will slowly improve as they can take on more tasks that average consumers use PCs for. Currently an iPad can already do the vast majority of tasks the average consumer uses a PC for. Enter Windows 8: the generation switching OS. It allows consumers to run desktop applications while also making Windows ready for the future of lighter and more mobile computers. It does so by building up a library of modern apps that run on both old and new hardware such as RT tablets.

Windows RT is the future as it is the only Windows that can compete with Android on price. And price is stil the most important factor for most consumers. Of course not to us tech enthousiasts so perhaps you can't relate and therefore call it a PoS.

Windows 8 is the PoS. I don't care if it is running on x86 or ARM, it is just pure garbage. I had *SUCH* high hopes when I heard way back when that MS was porting Windows to ARM. I would *LOVE* to be able to have an ARM based desktop machine running Windows .... SEVEN. They just had to go and **** it up so bad that my dog wouldn't use a printout of the source code to wipe his ass....

runningnak3d said,
Just go ahead and cut the price to $100.00 and pull the bandaid off quick, like HP did. The only difference? HP's TouchPad was actually worth a LOT more than the $100.00 they sold it for, whereas these PoS aren't even worth $100.00.*

*Unless some other OS can be installed on them

....Meh

I absolutely love my Surface RT.
I have yet to feel the desire to install some other OS on it, why would I?

Do iPad owners have some deep anger about not being able to install Android on their iPads?

So you liked the HP TouchPad. So what? It's not like it'll be supported and updated any more.

runningnak3d said,

Windows 8 is the PoS. I don't care if it is running on x86 or ARM, it is just pure garbage. I had *SUCH* high hopes when I heard way back when that MS was porting Windows to ARM. I would *LOVE* to be able to have an ARM based desktop machine running Windows .... SEVEN. They just had to go and **** it up so bad that my dog wouldn't use a printout of the source code to wipe his ass....


I guess then your dog can wipe his ass using windows seven desktop.

Over the past few weeks, we saw deals with hundreds knocked off the MacBook pro with even better deals on the Retina. MacBook Air saw $200 slashed off the price for over a month, and that is after they dropped the prices over the years by hundreds. I bought an iPod Touch 64GB for $25 off, and that price lasted for months. Even the iPhone had deep cuts, selling at 1/4 off.

When there is a drop on Apple products, that are good for consumers, making it available to more people to enjoy the greatness that is Apple.

When a PC manufacturer lowers the price, it is a sign of failure.

If Apple had dropped the price of the iPad by $200-300 within months of release and had downwardly revised its sales estimates then I'd be making exact the same statement.

theyarecomingforyou said,
If Apple had dropped the price of the iPad by $200-300 within months of release and had downwardly revised its sales estimates then I'd be making exact the same statement.

And Apple has done that very thing, they dropped the price of the Air and the Mac Mini (only to remove features from the Mini, and raise the price). And let's not forget, when the iPhone was first introduced, it was priced at $400 for a 4GB model and a few months later Apple dropped the price.

How many people would say that the iPhone is a failure? If they did, even I would call those people haters.

SoylentG said,
And Apple has done that very thing, they dropped the price of the Air and the Mac Mini (only to remove features from the Mini, and raise the price).

I apologise. I missed the statement from Apple and/or analysts warning that the Macbook Air had missed sales estimates and was under-performing in the market place.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I apologise. I missed the statement from Apple and/or analysts warning that the Macbook Air had missed sales estimates and was under-performing in the market place.

Um, Apple did give a warning. Remember at the last conference call after announcing earnings they said that all Mac computer sales were down? And shortly after we saw hundreds of dollars taken off at the register on many Apple products.

SoylentG said,
Um, Apple did give a warning. Remember at the last conference call after announcing earnings they said that all Mac computer sales were down? And shortly after we saw hundreds of dollars taken off at the register on many Apple products.

Hence the apology.

And don't forget that Apple's stock has dropped 40% over the past couple months because of downgrades from analysts.

I think that dropping the price of WinRT devices, as well as Apple products is goodness for the consumer. But to claim, as many do, that it means failure of one company while another company dropping their prices means success is just a joke.

SoylentG said,
I think that dropping the price of WinRT devices, as well as Apple products is goodness for the consumer. But to claim, as many do, that it means failure of one company while another company dropping their prices means success is just a joke.

I never suggested anything of the sort. I was simply pointing out that such major price drops after statements that RT devices are under-performing in the market place is an obvious warning sign. The iPad hasn't seen such major drops or sales warning, while RT devices have. Other Apple products make be floundering but that isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

But you shouldn't equate me pointing out the flaw in a particular product as endorsing another. That's just ridiculous and only betrays your own bias.

theyarecomingforyou said,

I never suggested anything of the sort. I was simply pointing out that such major price drops after statements that RT devices are under-performing in the market place is an obvious warning sign. The iPad hasn't seen such major drops or sales warning, while RT devices have. Other Apple products make be floundering but that isn't relevant to this particular discussion.

But you shouldn't equate me pointing out the flaw in a particular product as endorsing another. That's just ridiculous and only betrays your own bias.

Don't get me wrong, this is not a sign of RT being a success. And I did not claim that you have done this. but there are a number here that will say RT is a dismal failure, and then talk about how great the iPhone is doing even while the numbers there are slowing, but still great. But the iPhone was a failure until the price was cut in half, and perhaps a price cut here will spur an interest in RT?

I'm actually looking to buy an RT tablet for my dad since it will be safe from viruses. These tablets were overpriced to begin with. They thought bundling MS Office for free would make up for the lack of legacy software support, but I'd rather they make Office optional and lower the price even further. $300 tablets running Windows RT seems like the sweet spot for these devices. (Add another $100 for the keyboard dock and $100 for LTE). Now that these RT tablets run all Flash content on the web it makes them a lot more appealing though.

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