Windows XP loses over 3% of OS market share in August; Windows 8 gains 2%

Microsoft's quest to reduce the worldwide market share of Windows XP to below 10 percent by its support cut date of April 8th, 2014 is now looking like it might be able to be completed. According to the latest data from Net Applications, Windows XP lost over three percent of its market share in August.

Specifically, the research firm's numbers show Windows XP in second place with 33.66 percent, well below July's numbers of 37.19 percent. It's the largest such one month dip in Windows XP's market share in some time. However, it will have to stay on that pace for the next seven months or so in order to have any hope of reaching Microsoft's goal.

Net Applications' data for August shows that Windows 7 is number one in OS market share with 45.63 percent, up from 44.49 percent in July. Windows 8 is third with 7.41 percent, up just over two percentage points from July's market share numbers of 5.40 percent, which is also the biggest jump Windows 8 has seen in some time. Windows Vista is fourth with 4.11 percent, down from 4.24 percent in July.

Windows 8.1, which launched as a preview version in June, is listed at 0.24 percent in August on Net Applications' list, after only taking up 0.02 percent of the OS market share in July.

Source: Net Applications | Image via Net Applications

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Windows 8 never gained 2% within a month, it was consistent 0.5% increase a month so the whole data seems to be made up.

We are finally getting rid of XP (way slow) at work and going to Win 7. At home I will be going to Win 8.1 not because I dislike 8.0 but because I want the latest operating system from Microsoft. Windows 8.0 has been the best operating system I have had, not one problem with it, and it took longer to learn Win 95 than Win 8.0 wish we where going to Win 8 at work.

According to http://www.zdnet.com/new-stats...-usage-plummets-7000020098/, there is an "Important methodology change": This month we start deducting hidden pages from our usage share statistics. Hidden pages are pages that are rendered but never viewed by the user, therefore, they should not be included in usage share data. An example of a hidden page is a page that loads in a background tab upon the launch of the browser and is never made visible.

People just love to focus on these market share numbers to prove their point.

Even if the market share matched that of 7 at the same point of time on the market, that wouldn't change the arguments against win 8. People would still just claim its due to the OS being sold on all new pcs.

Unfortunately, this is more about arguing for or against 8 than looking at the market as a whole.

Honestly, I don't know what the share numbers really mean other than there are less desktop pcs being sold now then there were when Windows 7 was first released.


pretty pathetic. almost a year after its launch. it's still being compared to it's reportedly senile siblings in terms of users market share.

these numbers show windows and mac and others does this account for Chrome books ?
I was told the other day that it takes 4 months to get chrome books because they are in such high demand ?? I don't really believe that but if the stats here do include chrome books I know where I can go with the numbers.

vcfan said,
whoever told you that is playing a cruel joke on you.
If its not Windows 8, this dude will hate.(that's actually a rap song I was working on for DotMatrix, but I'm adding Enron also)

JHBrown said,
If its not Windows 8, this dude will hate.(that's actually a rap song I was working on for DotMatrix, but I'm adding Enron also)

Another erroneous assumption. I run Windows 7 by choice.

Gibbyhome said,
these numbers show windows and mac and others does this account for Chrome books ?
I was told the other day that it takes 4 months to get chrome books because they are in such high demand ?? I don't really believe that but if the stats here do include chrome books I know where I can go with the numbers.

Whoever told you that was smoking something good. There is no shortage of chromebooks.

JHBrown said,
If its not Windows 8, this dude will hate.(that's actually a rap song I was working on for DotMatrix, but I'm adding Enron also)

i've been using windows since my brother was born
now rockin' the 8.1 wallpaper, same color as corn

really Chromebooks are going to take over and google apps will out do office ? I hope he is joking

but really is there any stat out there that says how many chromebooks are in the world ?

Gibbyhome said,
really Chromebooks are going to take over and google apps will out do office ? I hope he is joking

but really is there any stat out there that says how many chromebooks are in the world ?


It's sarcasm mate. You can look at the link above, they fall into the "other" category.

We're actually talking about modifying our upgrade plans to use 8.1 on new systems over 7 which is currently going on new systems. It's the same as 7 which we didn't consider until after the first service pack. The improved multi-monitor support is pretty handy.

I still have a little bit of popcorn left, any other popular people have some more second hand experience stories to share? I would love to hear them.

A relative just bought a new laptop with 8 on it. The first thing he is doing is downgrade to 7. He knows how to use PCs, he just says 8 is not what he needs and not for how he works. Not a 8 hater btw, just no good for him.

NinjaGinger said,
A relative just bought a new laptop with 8 on it. The first thing he is doing is downgrade to 7. He knows how to use PCs, he just says 8 is not what he needs and not for how he works. Not a 8 hater btw, just no good for him.
This is a very real experience and one I've seen many times. Some guys here just don't understand that some people just don't like it. They seem to think that if you don't like Windows 8, you must have been dropped on the head as a baby. Thanks for sharing a relatives experience Ninja.

JHBrown said,
This is a very real experience and one I've seen many times. Some guys here just don't understand that some people just don't like it. They seem to think that if you don't like Windows 8, you must have been dropped on the head as a baby. Thanks for sharing a relatives experience Ninja.

I've been in the industry since the late 80s, and I've found the issue is people become set in their ways and simply dislike anything new. I remember people complaining how DOS was the best thing ever and Windows and Mac was for dumb secretaries that needed graphics and a mouse to use a computer.

JHBrown said,
This is a very real experience and one I've seen many times. Some guys here just don't understand that some people just don't like it. They seem to think that if you don't like Windows 8, you must have been dropped on the head as a baby. Thanks for sharing a relatives experience Ninja.

Some guys here also don't understand that some people do actually like it. They seem to think that if you do like it you've been dropped on the head as a baby.
See what I did there ?

Maybe other people are, but I never said people didn't like it. I was just point out that its not universal and there are times when other factors lead a person to not even check out 8, much less demo it and find out they don't like it.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no room here for people that like it or at the very least did not see a reason to choose 7 over it. There is also a tendency to discount anyone that claims to have experiences that don't match the ones that dislike 8.

JHBrown said,
This is a very real experience and one I've seen many times. Some guys here just don't understand that some people just don't like it. They seem to think that if you don't like Windows 8, you must have been dropped on the head as a baby. Thanks for sharing a relatives experience Ninja.

What I don't understand is the zealotry. It literally takes less time to make Windows 8 look and work the exact same way as Windows 7 than it does to downgrade. Which is in fact what I'm doing on my desktop. I never see Metro there and I have a start menu replacement that looks and works identically to Windows 7.

We can argue about the merits of Interface changes all day long, and everyone will have different preferences, but to avoid Windows 8 because of this makes no sense to me.

I'm Perfectly happy with Windows 8 myself, upgraded this PC soon as Windows 8 came out in October 26th, our next system for family will be also Windows 8 Based, For Older Family members they stated after briefly using My Desktop, that new Start menu is easier to use and find things than previous way of long list in Vista and 7 and XP.

Eventually may even invest in a Microsoft Surface tablet possibly to replace XP laptop eventually

guys, don't worry, everyone calm down. Microsoft installed bots on all these pcs sitting in the warehouses, and they connect wirelessly through NSA supplied wireless electrostatic field, and artificially ups the usage share by spamming the top websites.

vcfan said,
guys, don't worry, everyone calm down. Microsoft installed bots on all these pcs sitting in the warehouses, and they connect wirelessly through NSA supplied wireless electrostatic field, and artificially ups the usage share by spamming the top websites.

:-)

When I consult people who want to buy a new computer, I do at least let them know that "If they want" can still buy a computer with Windows 7 if they order online.

I also get customers that ask me "What I think of Windows 8" .. now i'm not going to lie and say "OMG Windows 8 is awesome" .. I tell them, that "Personally" ... I dislike it and am not a fan of the new UI.

I know what you mean, I deal with those questions as well.

What I try to do is sit down and demo the system for them, show them how it works and let them see if they feel comfortable with it. If they have serious issues, then we look at Windows 7. Regardless of my personal issues with it, I'd rather they see what its all about and decide.

Of course this probably also comes down to how much the sales person likes or dislikes Win 8. as you said, you personally don't like it, so you wont be recommending it to most users, unless they ask for it specifically. I have a feeling not many people come in saying they want it specifically, I know I haven't seen that happen.

warwagon said,
When I consult people who want to buy a new computer, I do at least let them know that "If they want" can still buy a computer with Windows 7 if they order online.

I also get customers that ask me "What I think of Windows 8" .. now i'm not going to lie and say "OMG Windows 8 is awesome" .. I tell them, that "Personally" ... I dislike it and am not a fan of the new UI.

That's basically how Vista went as well. Word of mouth about how bad it was when in reality it was a pretty decent os.

Real life consumer scenario:

So I went window shopping on the internet and Best Buy just now for a Windows laptop or desktop. Guess what? If I want a current model laptop or desktop, I have to choose Windows 8. Well I think Windows 8 is terrible. The UI sucks. I really want Windows 7, but the family really needs a new computer right now. Purchased. Windows 8 market share rises. Neowin gets excited.

It wasn't any different when Win 7 was current. Just get a start menu program if you think the start menu is the epitome of computer interfaces.

Once again, you love to generalize based on your experiences alone.

That's fine though, if you want to assume everyone hates 8 and that no one could like it in the first place, be my guest.

I'll just say that your consume scenario is just one of many.

JHBrown said,
Real life consumer scenario:

So I went window shopping on the internet and Best Buy just now for a Windows laptop or desktop. Guess what? If I want a current model laptop or desktop, I have to choose Windows 8. Well I think Windows 8 is terrible. The UI sucks. I really want Windows 7, but the family really needs a new computer right now. Purchased. Windows 8 market share rises. Neowin gets excited.

Hey, guess what? You're really bad at "window" shopping. You say Best Buy doesn't have any Windows 7 systems for sale?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...0500000&sc=abComputerSP

That wasn't hard... and yes, they have current models (4th gen Intel). Try harder next time.

Enron said,

Hey, guess what? You're really bad at "window" shopping. You say Best Buy doesn't have any Windows 7 systems for sale?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...0500000&sc=abComputerSP

That wasn't hard... and yes, they have current models (4th gen Intel). Try harder next time.

LoL! I choose "pickup at store" for the decent ones. Guess what? Not one available for pickup in a 50 mile radius. That is not readily available. I've already done exactly what you just did 2 days ago.

JHBrown said,
LoL! I choose "pickup at store" for the decent ones. Guess what? Not one available for pickup in a 50 mile radius. That is not readily available. I've already done exactly what you just did 2 days ago.

They're available at my Best Buy. Then again, I live in the ghetto.

Enron said,

They're available at my Best Buy. Then again, I live in the ghetto.

It is more than likely certain areas are sold out compared to others.

JHBrown said,
Real life consumer scenario:

So I went window shopping on the internet and Best Buy just now for a Windows laptop or desktop. Guess what? If I want a current model laptop or desktop, I have to choose Windows 8. Well I think Windows 8 is terrible. The UI sucks. I really want Windows 7, but the family really needs a new computer right now. Purchased. Windows 8 market share rises. Neowin gets excited.

For every one of those there's one or 10 of these:

The family needs a new computer right now so I'll go down to Best Buy and pick up a PC. I don't know or care about what the difference is between Windows 7 and 8.

Point being, I don't think this stuff is even on the average person's radar. This is the stuff that nerds like us think about, that's why we visit Neowin.

The worlds most hated OS, now beats everyone except XP and 7!

Linux and OS X might fail a bit in making the "Windows 8 has flopped"-excuse valid... Anyway, the numbers of this month realy suprised me, Windows 8.x is up 2.25% points, that's a lot. Due Windows 8.1 having 0.02% market share, I didn't expect it to increase with 1200% this month!

John Callaham said,
Out of how many boxes ?

I traded and gave away a bunch of stuff recently...rebuilding my electronic army in a more sane manner now heh.

yowanvista said,
Don't worry, Windows 7 will be the next XP. The failure of Windows 8 will only contribute to Windows 7's marketshare.

What failure?

The adoption rate of Windows 8 in the beginning was extremely slow in contrast to Windows 7. Windows 8 is at 7.42% still about 1 year later! We will have to see what Windows 8 is like in a few years, but it truly isn't looking good so far. Its a bit early still to conclude anything about Windows 8.

And this means what exactly? Do we have to keep going down this road of people taking their personal experiences and making sweeping statements because of it?

All your laying out is that you know people that don't like Win 8.

10 months != a year. We'll see where Windows 8 marketshare is at exactly the 1 year mark. Then I predict Windows 8.1 + Haswell will see Windows 8 explode.

trooper11 said,

All your laying out is that you know people that don't like Win 8.

Except for when that is almost everybody I know who have used it. It's like when CNN or Foxnews polls x number of people and make an over all average. Well i'm doing the same.

I think once start menu restore apps become more widely known W8 will grow by people buying the OS (they will 'want' to upgrade). Like pokki for example, I like W8 now personally because I found pokki (before start menu replacement apps I stayed with W7) and it allows the user to boot straight to desktop (8.1 feature now), disable stupid hot corners, and more. Now, its pretty much just Win7 updated (soo much faster/more stable than 7 I found). I really just think its that start screen that puts so many off...it did for me, now I dont use it and couldn't be happier

warwagon said,

95% of the people I talk to who have it or have used it / hate it...

And 95% of the people I talk to who've used it like it. What's your point?

warwagon said,

Except for when that is almost everybody I know who have used it. It's like when CNN or Foxnews polls x number of people and make an over all average. Well i'm doing the same.

No you're not and it's laughable that you actually think what you're doing compares to what they do.

Lord Method Man said,

Hilarious. Only on Neowin.

What? Have an issue with what I said? Just because you think people don't like it doesn't make it true and if you guys want to pull anecdotal nonsense out, so can I.

spenser.d said,

What? Have an issue with what I said? Just because you think people don't like it doesn't make it true and if you guys want to pull anecdotal nonsense out, so can I.

I just hope you acknowledge yours is nonsense, because it really is laugh-inducing.

spenser.d said,

What? Have an issue with what I said? Just because you think people don't like it doesn't make it true and if you guys want to pull anecdotal nonsense out, so can I.

Spenser, never argue with a fool, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...

I get it, as I said, your saying that your experience is that everyone hates 8. If you just say that, then you'll get no argument from me. I just have to trust that your telling the truth and take it as an example of an experience.

But, if you then take that and claim that you know it is applicable to the whole market, I'm sorry, but I don't agree at all. Don't get me started on 'polls' If your going to stake your argument on the reliability of polls, your in for another debate.

Basically, you guys that have had the experience that everyone hates win 8, its a perfectly valid point, but its not a universal point, nor does it take into account all of the other factors at work here. I'm sure you guys are aware of that though.

The failure of Windows-8 is that Microsoft chose to ignore the fact that tablets and laptops/desktops have totally different needs for their OSs and their associated UIs. So, when Microsoft decided to release a "one size for all" OS, it had to expect a "failure."

That is a good point. I know MS does not like the bad sales numbers, but do we really know what their target was in the first place? They hinted pretty strongly that they knew there was would be apprehension about the changes, maybe they also had prepared themselves for low numbers at first.

To me, its not that MS didn't know that tablets and desktops are different usage wise, its just that they knew they had to get serious about the mobile market. They felt like they needed to do that from the windows core and grow it out, not create a separate OS from scratch to cater to tablets.

Now any big core change like this would not be perfected in the first version. I mean look at iOS and Android. Nothing is perfected in version 1.0. In fact, the 1.0 version is very often seen as the stone age compared to say something a few versions later. So it is with the metro side of Windows 8. Metro is very much 1.0 and it will take them a few revisions to reach that 'mature' point that everyone wants.

The desktop side of Windows 8 is already mature, since its just an evolution of the existing windows 7 design. I think the biggest mistake MS made was to not put in the customization controls at launch, the controls that are in 8.1. Since Metro needs time to mature, it would have lessened the blow to many users if they could simply avoid the functions that don't appeal to them.

techbeck said,
Not surprising considering when new PCs are bought, they come with Win8.
Exactly! I'm not sure why the diehard fans get excited over this data. It will inevitably rise.

I'm not sure why diehard opponents get excited to point out this point when the same was true for just about every windows os release. The new version comes out and sales increase for many reasons, one of the biggest being that its on all new pcs sold.

The difference with each os release come down to other factors like the health of the market, reception of the os, technical issues with the os, etc. Basically, it doesn't come down to one single point.

trooper11 said,
I'm not sure why diehard opponents get excited to point out this point when the same was true for just about every windows os release. The new version comes out and sales increase for many reasons, one of the biggest being that its on all new pcs sold.

The difference with each os release come down to other factors like the health of the market, reception of the os, technical issues with the os, etc. Basically, it doesn't come down to one single point.

Good point! So why do we need websites to post market share increases? So the public can perceive Windows 8 as a big hit?

techbeck said,
Not surprising considering when new PCs are bought, they come with Win8.

Not true. Windows 7 PCs are readily available at retail and online.

Enron said,

Not true. Windows 7 PCs are readily available at retail and online.

"Readily" available Enron? Can you link me to a big box store that has a 3rd or 4th generation Intel processor and is "readily" available with Windows 7? This weekend I've been in Frys, Best Buy, and MicroCenter in Southern California for Labor Day deals. I saw a few dusty 3 year Celeron Netbooks with Windows 7. I have not seen Windows 7 "readily" available.

JHBrown said,
"Readily" available Enron? Can you link me to a big box store that has a 3rd or 4th generation Intel processor and is "readily" available with Windows 7? This weekend I've been in Frys, Best Buy, and MicroCenter in Southern California for Labor Day deals. I saw a few dusty 3 year Celeron Netbooks with Windows 7. I have not seen Windows 7 "readily" available.

Sure. Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...me%3A%3E1900-01-01&gf=y

How about Costco?
http://www.costco.com/laptops.html?refine=30113%2b16756

Micro Center?
http://www.microcenter.com/sea...-Computers-%3a-Micro-Center

Frys?
http://www.frys.com/search?cat...Type=pDisplay&fq=100319 Windows_7_Home_Premium_64__Bit

I found all those using the power of BING in just a couple of minutes. Those systems are mostly 3rd/4th gen and available in store as well. You just need to stop making stuff up.

Enron said,

Sure. Best Buy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...me%3A%3E1900-01-01&gf=y

How about Costco?
http://www.costco.com/laptops.html?refine=30113%2b16756

Micro Center?
http://www.microcenter.com/sea...-Computers-%3a-Micro-Center

Frys?
http://www.frys.com/search?cat...Type=pDisplay&fq=100319 Windows_7_Home_Premium_64__Bit

I found all those using the power of BING in just a couple of minutes. Those systems are mostly 3rd/4th gen and available in store as well. You just need to stop making stuff up.

Update:

Just checked your links. 1 available at a Best Buy, 6 at MicroCenter, I'm seeing 2 at Frys. Those are not "readily" available numbers. Readily is what Windows 8 is now. I guess we have different definitions of "readily".

Enron said,

Not true. Windows 7 PCs are readily available at retail and online.

That is interesting considering about 6 months ago, all the Win7 machines on Best Buy's site were refurbished systems and all the new systems were Win8. Now it seems they are selling a lot more new Win7 systems.

Your right, we don't need to be talking about the market share changes at all since they are very unreliable forms of evidence for those against 8 and for 8.

Market share increase doesn't always mean people love something and market share decrease doesn't always mean people hate something.

Of course, you guys just love to argue your side as if it matters, so by all means continue spinning your wheels on this.

For me, the reality is what I look for and its usually somewhere in between the two sides. I have my own first hand experiences in the retail market and just as a consumer.

JHBrown said,
Good point! So why do we need websites to post market share increases? So the public can perceive Windows 8 as a big hit?

We don't NEED it, but Neowin does it because it is a website with a focus on Windows/Microsoft news. An increase in market share is news. The article made no mention of Windows 8 being a big hit based on these numbers, neither explicitly or implicitly.

Mac OS X: 6.72% share
Windows 8: 7.41% share.

I bet Tim Cook wishes Mac OS X would "flop' as hard as Windows 8 has....

Studio384 said,
It doesn't make his point invalid.

Not sure what his point was. To be honest, I'd think TIm Cook would probably be pleased to see people making references to the marketshare of OS X as somehow being the yardstick for a Microsoft Desktop OS.

CSharp. said,

Not sure what his point was. To be honest, I'd think TIm Cook would probably be pleased to see people making references to the marketshare of OS X as somehow being the yardstick for a Microsoft Desktop OS.

I'm using it as a "Yardstick" because of the number of people that insisted that Windows 8 would drive people to Mac and Linux. Because THAT happened.

siah1214 said,

I'm using it as a "Yardstick" because of the number of people that insisted that Windows 8 would drive people to Mac and Linux.

Fair enough.

siah1214 said,
Mac OS X: 6.72% share
Windows 8: 7.41% share.

I bet Tim Cook wishes Mac OS X would "flop' as hard as Windows 8 has....

Apples goal is not to be like Windows. They are raking in billions where they currently sit. Windows 8 is Toyota, cheap and available everywhere you look. Apple is Mercedes, expensive, don't really give a damn about market share.

JHBrown said,
Apples goal is not to be like Windows. They are raking in billions where they currently sit. Windows 8 is Toyota, cheap and available everywhere you look. Apple is Mercedes, expensive, don't really give a damn about market share.

That is easily the most ridiculous analogy I've seen in quite some time.

spenser.d said,

That is easily the most ridiculous analogy I've seen in quite some time.

Spencer, Apples line of computers is in a different market. If Apple wanted to outsell Microsoft, they would have lowered their prices years ago. They aren't in a race to outsell Microsoft.

Apple has little interest in the desktop market at all. Their business is mobile now.

Back when it mattered, your right that Apple preferred to remain a niche product and market themselves as the high quality alternative to any Windows pc. Of course the reality was that you could also get high quality windows pcs in the same price range, but that was not the perception in the market.

But again, no use debating it now, Apple is not concerned with the desktop market like the once were.

CygnusOrion said,
No, it's more like Microsoft is GM cars and Apple are Honda.
Damn Cygnus! LOL! I'll go along with your analogy then.

You can count on Neowin to bring Apple into the equation when they aren't even the topic. And then saying "who cares about Apple".

siah1214 said,
Mac OS X: 6.72% share
Windows 8: 7.41% share.

I bet Tim Cook wishes Mac OS X would "flop' as hard as Windows 8 has....


Comment of the day

JHBrown said,
Apples goal is not to be like Windows. They are raking in billions where they currently sit. Windows 8 is Toyota, cheap and available everywhere you look. Apple is Mercedes, expensive, don't really give a damn about market share.

I wish people would stop with the car analogies. If you get a cheap PC, you have a cheap PC. If you spend the same amount for a PC as you would on a Mac, you have a great system. Windows is not a "cheap" OS in any sense either.

JHBrown said,
Spencer, Apples line of computers is in a different market. If Apple wanted to outsell Microsoft, they would have lowered their prices years ago. They aren't in a race to outsell Microsoft.

Actually they would have licensed the software to OEMs but they would rather soak people on a huge hardware markup.

siah1214 said,
Mac OS X: 6.72% share
Windows 8: 7.41% share.

I bet Tim Cook wishes Mac OS X would "flop' as hard as Windows 8 has....

au contraire. i would rather bet steve ballmer wish windows 8 was as successful as iOS. that's the more appropriate comparison.

spenser.d said,
Good seeing Win 8 pick up some more!
Every computer in big box stores is sold with Windows 8. It will pick up based on that, not because people like it. People will just deal with it.

JHBrown said,
Every computer in big box stores is sold with Windows 8. It will pick up based on that, not because people like it. People will just deal with it.

So, you've talked to all of the people then I presume.

spenser.d said,

So, you've talked to all of the people then I presume.

Hmm let's see. I consulted over 3000 clients just last month. Brother is a GM at a big box store. Reviews from customers online aren't that good. Hmm, I think in general, most people are praying for a good Windows 9 since Balmer is gone.

spenser.d said,

So, you've talked to all of the people then I presume.


People will get Windows 8 regardless whether they like it or not, for as long as they actually need or want to stay within the Windows ecosystem. You don't need to talk to people to realize this, because there is no other way.

JHBrown said,
Every computer in big box stores is sold with Windows 8. It will pick up based on that, not because people like it. People will just deal with it.

Not true. I see a lot of Windows 7 PCs for sale at Micro Center, Best Buy, Costco, etc. Plus if buying online, you have choices there too.

Northgrove said,

People will get Windows 8 regardless whether they like it or not, for as long as they actually need or want to stay within the Windows ecosystem. You don't need to talk to people to realize this, because there is no other way.

This "no other way" thing is silly. Unless it's work related, and most people have a computer for things other than just work in their homes, they don't need to stay in Windows. All you have to do is see the quick growth of smartphones and tablets to realize this.

I think that some small businesses see Windows XP as a keeper because it was the first computer they bought and it runs the one piece of software that they need. I agree it must die.

Ian William said,

Windows XP is still a viable platform.

Until some it's targeted to heck because it's EOL and MS isn't patching holes anymore? Unless you mean it's viable as a fully offline setup then sure.

GP007 said,

Until some it's targeted to heck because it's EOL and MS isn't patching holes anymore? Unless you mean it's viable as a fully offline setup then sure.

Efforts can be made to decrease its susceptibility to malware. This has been discussed before.

Ian William said,

Efforts can be made to decrease its susceptibility to malware. This has been discussed before.

I'm not debating that, sure you can do things unless you're stuck with some low level OS exploit that's not going to be patched. XP doesn't have the newer, low level security that started with Vista, to help protect itself to the same degree. Malware is one thing, sure it's the more common thing but if we're talking business, specially a big one, why take the risk of being left open to attack that could hurt you?

If you want to run it on something not that important behind a firewall with some AV then sure, go for it, but as we've seen even those don't work 100%. Besides, security is just one thing, any other type of bug or support for even newer hardware, because things do break, isn't going to be a option.

ians18 said,
I think that some small businesses see Windows XP as a keeper because it was the first computer they bought and it runs the one piece of software that they need. I agree it must die.

Small businesses have the least excuse as they tend to use more off the shelf software. It is the large enterprises with their custom ie6 hardcoded software connecting thousands of machines that have the problems.

GP007 said,

I'm not debating that, sure you can do things unless you're stuck with some low level OS exploit that's not going to be patched. XP doesn't have the newer, low level security that started with Vista, to help protect itself to the same degree. Malware is one thing, sure it's the more common thing but if we're talking business, specially a big one, why take the risk of being left open to attack that could hurt you?

If you want to run it on something not that important behind a firewall with some AV then sure, go for it, but as we've seen even those don't work 100%. Besides, security is just one thing, any other type of bug or support for even newer hardware, because things do break, isn't going to be a option.

While it will never be as secure as Vista or later, users have other ways to protect themselves than just by installing an anti-virus solution and firewall:
- Run as a Standard user
- Delete or disable unnecessary (or unused) accounts
- If not in use, disable Windows Media Player protocols from receiving streaming media
- Adjust Internet and Intranet Zones levels accordingly; adjust other settings as necessary
- Turn off Simple File Sharing
- Enable Data Execution Prevention for all programs and Services
- Disable Services susceptible to manipulation; specifically those related to file sharing and remote administration.

Ian William said,

Efforts can be made to decrease its susceptibility to malware. This has been discussed before.

*Pats head*

Of course it is... if your have to run legacy software that wont run on any later editions of Windows, sure. Otherwise.... no.

If the management sees it still functions well and meet the job requirements then XP will live on. Yes at least in my workplace and almost all I have acquainted with.

M4x1mus said,

*Pats head*

Of course it is... if your have to run legacy software that wont run on any later editions of Windows, sure. Otherwise.... no.

Thank you?

Anyway, there are individuals who run Windows XP without caring about software incompatibility. This is probably because of familiarity, stability, and features not found in subsequent versions of the Windows operating system.

It will be interesting to see Windows 8, Windows 7 and XP's market share in a couple of years,. I predict in 5 years, XP will be at 20% still, Windows 8 13% and Windows 7 50%(businesses moving from XP to 7). As for Vista it will be 0.5%.

Over 5 years? Realy? Then we're already talking about Windows 9 (and maybe Windows 10, now the release cycle is speeding up)... Nha, Windows 8 will probably be much higher by then and Windows XP and 7 lower.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
I made my prediction from the fact that businesses and schools will most likely choose Windows 7 over Windows 8 due to its significant GUI change. It took Windows 7 4 or 5 months to reach 10% market share and it took Windows 8 8 months to reach 5% market share!
http://marketshare.hitslink.co...mp;qpnp=2&qptimeframe=Y
http://marketshare.hitslink.co...mp;qpnp=2&qptimeframe=Y

My School District has chosen to go with Windows 8 even when they skipped vista when that came out.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
I made my prediction from the fact that businesses and schools will most likely choose Windows 7 over Windows 8 due to its significant GUI change. It took Windows 7 4 or 5 months to reach 10% market share and it took Windows 8 8 months to reach 5% market share!
http://marketshare.hitslink.co...mp;qpnp=2&qptimeframe=Y
http://marketshare.hitslink.co...mp;qpnp=2&qptimeframe=Y

Windows 7 had the huge benefit of releasing right inline with lots of enterprise update cycles, it's large growth rate was helped more by business starting to more off of XP to 7 than anything else. Now that many have moved, the ones that are taking longer to do so are what keep XP hanging around. It seems a few more jumped and thus we see a 3% dip now.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
It will be interesting to see Windows 8, Windows 7 and XP's market share in a couple of years,. I predict in 5 years, XP will be at 20% still, Windows 8 13% and Windows 7 50%(businesses moving from XP to 7). As for Vista it will be 0.5%.

I anticipate that XP will be with us for years to come and perhaps better than before, even when it enters official eol.

Studio384 said,
Over 5 years? Realy? Then we're already talking about Windows 9 (and maybe Windows 10, now the release cycle is speeding up)... Nha, Windows 8 will probably be much higher by then and Windows XP and 7 lower.

Windows 7 is new XP! All other future Windows OS are made for tablets not for regular desktop users! From Windows 8.1 we just got for desktop users start button that alrady is in Windows 7 and boot to desktop that is also alrady in Win7! I doubt any OS in next 5-10 years will be popular as Windows 7!

King Joffrey said,

Windows 7 is new XP! All other future Windows OS are made for tablets not for regular desktop users! From Windows 8.1 we just got for desktop users start button that alrady is in Windows 7 and boot to desktop that is also alrady in Win7! I doubt any OS in next 5-10 years will be popular as Windows 7!

Except for the likelihood that 10 years from now "desktops" will make up a fraction of the PC market when everything else is portable, be it laptops and x86/ARM tablets. The traditional desktop PC market keeps shrinking, people, outside of business/work, don't want a big stationary box anymore. So as that market keeps shrinking so to will Windows 7 with time, and XP will be long gone as well.

King Joffrey said,

Windows 7 is new XP! All other future Windows OS are made for tablets not for regular desktop users! From Windows 8.1 we just got for desktop users start button that alrady is in Windows 7 and boot to desktop that is also alrady in Win7! I doubt any OS in next 5-10 years will be popular as Windows 7!

You know there were other changes other than the start button and boot to desktop right?

Windows 8 is noticeably more responsive than 7; the task manager was completely overhauled and is now a lot better; integration with online Microsoft accounts etc etc.. And Windows 8.1 will only improve on this.

Windows 8 works fine as a desktop OS, just not so much when using the modern UI... But that's designed for touch screen devices, so no big surprise there. The only place where it feels like its taken a step backwards is more complex to get to but that's been fixed in 8.1 soooo...

But yeah, stick with 7 for the next 5-10 years, I don't care if you lose out.

Bloody Luddite.

Edited by M4x1mus, Sep 2 2013, 12:32pm :

M4x1mus said,

You know there were other changes other than the start button and boot to desktop right?

Windows 8 is noticeably more responsive than 7; the task manager was completely overhauled and is now a lot better; integration with online Microsoft accounts etc etc.. And Windows 8.1 will only improve on this.

Windows 8 works fine as a desktop OS, just not so much when using the modern UI... But that's designed for touch screen devices, so no big surprise there. The only place where it feels like its taken a step backwards is more complex to get to but that's been fixed in 8.1 soooo...

But yeah, stick with 7 for the next 5-10 years, I don't care if you lose out.

Bloody Luddite.

Modern apps weren't designed specifically for touch. The idea behind them was for an immersive UX, much like Media Center was.