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Windows XP: What will likely happen on April 9th

After April 8th,if you are running Windows XP, your machine will no longer receive support from Microsoft. What this means is that if new exploits are found within the OS, the company will not release patches to fill in those holes. In short, your machine will be exposed to outside threats that could cripple your machine and cause you to lose all of your data.

We know that most users out there are aware of Microsoft dropping support for XP but the fact remains, many consumers are still running the platform. And with third-party malware solutions still supporting the platform, why should you move from XP to Windows 7or 8 if XP handles your needs?

Well, for one thing, Windows 7 and 8 have modern architectures and can make better use out of your hardware so if nothing else, by upgrading your machine will see a performance boost. More so, you will get enhanced security protection directly from Microsoft that will help to keep your personal assets safe.

But really, here is the scenario that you should be most worried about.

Put yourself in the mind of someone who writes ransome-ware. If you find an exploit in Windows XP and you know that Microsoft will stop patching holes after April 8th, why would you release the exploit now as opposed to waiting? The answer: You wouldn't.

Screenshot of Ransome-ware that cost $300 to 'unlock' your PC

April 9th will likely see a wave of Windows XP exploits released and the more they are known about within the ransome-ware community, the more likely they will make their way out into the wild in volume. It’s because of this scenario that makes running Windows XP post April 8th so risky. Yes, you can still find ways to protect yourself, but you are betting on a third-party being able to react quick enough to block the new threats before you are infected. By not upgrading, you are opening yourself up to unnecessary threats by running a piece of software that was released in 2001.

There has also been some confusion about extended support for Windows XP after April 8th; corporations can buy extended support for the platform, but it is not cheap. The extended lifecycle payments could cost some banks up to $100 million to protect ATMs that run Windows XP and at that price, it's quite obvious why consumers will not be able to purchase extended support.

We know that running Windows XP will become a serious risk after April 8th and as a point of reference, 6.6% of Neowin's traffic for the month of February came from users running XP.

Ransome-ware Image Credit: Bleepingcomputer

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really funny, see post on here by people who know nothing, same one who graduate college and come see me to figure how to fix computers,lol and I teach them basic trouble shooting since higher education seems to have neglected that, you can still run xp just not internet explorer which is Microsoft weak spot, run ice fox or comado dragon a secure browser,keep your antivirus updated and malware fighter updated.I still know people running win 98se with no problems except software companies dropping support.I wouldn't myself (98) and no longer run xp but these so called experts usually are so full of well themselves that when proven wrong they tend to get their feathers ruffled just like y2k .I had a programer friend who made a mint from that and told me upfront it was a hoax but all you out there that believe some of these "experts" just play their games and cough up the green , and see just what they know

I just want to see Microsoft come out of left field and extend support for XP for another few years. For no other reason than to see a certain person go ape ####!! :D

What will happen? I will continue using Windows XP.
I stopped Windows Update many years ago without any problem.
In the past when I used Windows Update, it slowed down my Windows and resulted in more blue screens. So, I reinstalled and stopped Windows Update. It runs smoothly.

Another "It's the Armageddon for XP users!" article on Neowin. Give it up already.

If you know what you're doing, nothing will happen just because you continue to use XP. Sure it's safer to patch your system but it's not the end of the world if you don't.

Just about everyone you ask will say the same thing about not running any AV..."Don't have your computer connected to the internet!!! You will get infected!!!" Please, spare me. I haven't run AV since 1996 and have only had a couple of very minor issues. Can't really recall exactly the last time it happened but it was when I was running Win2K early last decade.

At MSFN.org, people are running Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me and Windows 2000 and I've yet to see a post about someone getting hacked because of it. Maybe one exists but I sure haven't come across it. BTW, they also are not ridiculed because they are running an OS from 1995, etc.

As soon as MS gives up this tablet and bloat obsession and produces another small footprint OS that doesn't babysit users, people will dump their XP's and pay gobs of money to MS to buy that OS. If only they could see that their profits will soar. Unfortunately, MS is run by fools. Google is going to wipe the floor with them on of these days with a real OS. Not that Chromebook crap.

Edited by xdot.tk, Mar 20 2014, 6:53am :

This reminds me about the "year 2000" problems in 1999 - lot of speculations and fears...

Edited by zhangm, Apr 3 2014, 4:26pm :

I'm surprised that as desperate as Microsoft is to get rid of XP and push 8 sales that they are not re-running the $15 or $30 upgrade promo again. Now is as good a time as any.

nothing, people will just continue to use its pc until it breaks and when they move on to something new they will complain how everything its more complicated harder and restrictive. eventually they use to it and the cycle will repeat.

PC market its so perfect that the need for new pc its not necessary and we reached to the point that getting a new pc its not worth the hassle and the price.

Eventually smartphones will suffer the same fate once the battle of specs and entry device its good enough people wont move on.

What will likely happen on the 9th of april? Customers (some of them warned more than half a year ago) will go to voicemail,,. i am not The BOFH, I am getting maried.
What will happen on the 10th: if i answer a call of a warned person that day perhaps a devorce...

Why would I upgrade to a newer version of windows? The only one available right now is Windows 8 and I hate that thing. All the games I play run better on a Linux Mint + nVidia drivers + WINE setup.

Oh and I've been runnning a XP SP3 installation that has never been patched. Only protection It has is the built in firewall, a decent antivirus and a el-cheapo router between the old machine and the rest of the world.

So what's going to happen on April 9? NOTHING! :))))

More FUD... I have 10 year old HP laptop with P4 and 1GB RAM. I have XP running on it and I have no intention of paying $100 to get Win 7 license or upgrade hardware or throw out my absolutely fine running laptop because MS is going to stop patch it. LOL. Even well patched and newer OS are getting infected or hacked more so because people inexperienced in using programs. I am sure lots of people are well off hanging out with XP rather than throwing out their perfectly working computer because MS is going to stop patching it.

Auditor said,
More FUD... I have 10 year old HP laptop with P4 and 1GB RAM. I have XP running on it and I have no intention of paying $100 to get Win 7 license or upgrade hardware or throw out my absolutely fine running laptop because MS is going to stop patch it. LOL. Even well patched and newer OS are getting infected or hacked more so because people inexperienced in using programs. I am sure lots of people are well off hanging out with XP rather than throwing out their perfectly working computer because MS is going to stop patching it.

Far from FUD. WinXP will be attacked, and attacked hard.

Auditor said,

More FUD... I have 10 year old HP laptop with P4 and 1GB RAM. I have XP running on it
and I have no intention of paying $100 to get Win 7 license or upgrade hardware or
throw out my absolutely fine running laptop because MS is going to stop patch it.


Well good luck with that, when the obsolete OS on your antiquated single core dinosaur eventually
has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese! It might be an "absolutely fine running laptop"
right now, but after the last ever updates and patches for XP are released on 8th April, it very
quickly won't be once the zero-day flaws start to appear soon after.

Unless of course you intend to keep it permanently disconnected from the internet after that date.

Auditor said,

LOL.


You won't be LOL'ing when your obsolete XP laptop gets pwned ... assuming you keep it online.

DJGM said,

Well good luck with that, when the obsolete OS on your antiquated single core dinosaur eventually
has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese! It might be an "absolutely fine running laptop"
right now, but after the last ever updates and patches for XP are released on 8th April, it very
quickly won't be once the zero-day flaws start to appear soon after.

Unless of course you intend to keep it permanently disconnected from the internet after that date.


You won't be LOL'ing when your obsolete XP laptop gets pwned ... assuming you keep it online.

You forgot to add that there is going to some nuclear meltdown and my poor laptop running Win XP is going to blow in pieces and above all sky is going to fall. LOL

Auditor said,

You forgot to add that there is going to some nuclear meltdown and my poor laptop
running Win XP is going to blow in pieces and above all sky is going to fall. LOL


Obviously that isn't going to happen. As long as you keep that laptop completely isolated
from the internet after 8th April, nothing will happen. Keep it online after that date, and it
will definitely get hacked, cracked and attacked by unscrupulous internet users.

You might be LOL'ing now, but you won't be when your XP laptop gets digitally raped!
So don't come crying to us when it happens ... and it will happen, that's guaranteed.

DJGM said,

Well good luck with that, when the obsolete OS on your antiquated single core dinosaur eventually
has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese! It might be an "absolutely fine running laptop"
right now, but after the last ever updates and patches for XP are released on 8th April, it very
quickly won't be once the zero-day flaws start to appear soon after.

Unless of course you intend to keep it permanently disconnected from the internet after that date.


You won't be LOL'ing when your obsolete XP laptop gets pwned ... assuming you keep it online.

LOL? Do you believe yourself? many people disable windows update and do not use antivirus at all (like me) and have no problems. It is people like you who need the latest patches and most hardcore antivirus to protect them from them-self but not everyone is like that.

DaveBG said,

LOL? Do you believe yourself? many people disable windows update and do not use antivirus at all (like me) and have no problems. It is people like you who need the latest patches and most hardcore antivirus to protect them from them-self but not everyone is like that.

You should NEVER disable Windows Update. What are you doing that for?

DaveBG said,

LOL? Do you believe yourself? many people disable windows update and
do not use antivirus at all (like me) and have no problems. It is people
like you who need the latest patches and most hardcore antivirus to
protect them from them-self but not everyone is like that.


No, it's people like you that spread such dangerous misinformation and bullcrap online.

No PC running any version of Windows on the net should EVER have Windows Update
turned off, and nor should any PC running any version of Windows online be without
at least basic level anti-virus and anti-malware protection software.

FYI . . . I don't run the "most hardcore antivirus" on any of my PCs, especially if you're
referring to bloated, resource hogging crap like McAfee or Norton. All my PCs have
the bog standard Microsoft Security Essentials (aka Windows Defender) installed.
My main system with 8.1 Enterprise has Forefront Endpoint Protection 2010.

Microsoft's in-house anti-virus/malware applications might not be the best around,
only offering basic protection, but I've never had any problems with any of them.
On the very rare occasions I've had any viruses/malware, they've always picked
them up and dealt with them accordingly.

Dot Matrix said,

You should NEVER disable Windows Update. What are you doing that for?

Disabling windows update is best practice for many servers and as i mentioned it the first thing i do with my desktops too. If i find particular problem i install specific fix for it. That is why i disable windows update. You will be amazed how much unwanted stuff gets trough it and how many BSODs are caused by windows update :)

DaveBG said,
... Disabling windows update is best practice for many servers and as i mentioned it the first thing i do with my desktops too. ...

Uhm, only if you're running your own WSUS server. Then you'd be testing the updates before releasing them to the enterprise.

Otherwise you're doing a huge disservice to your organization. The potential risk you introduce shouldn't be accepted by ANY IT decision maker.

"but you are betting on a third-party being able to react quick enough to block the new threats before you are infected."

But don't AV vendors generally release updates a LOT quicker than Microsoft release critical security updates anyway!? It's rare for MS release a security update out of cycle anyway - most are put on the back burner and only released once a month on "Patch Tuesday"

Therefore, AV vendors already react faster than MS by releasing daily definition updates as opposed to the monthly updates that MS release!

GreatMarkO said,
"but you are betting on a third-party being able to react quick enough to block the new threats before you are infected."

But don't AV vendors generally release updates a LOT quicker than Microsoft release critical security updates anyway!? It's rare for MS release a security update out of cycle anyway - most are put on the back burner and only released once a month on "Patch Tuesday"

Therefore, AV vendors already react faster than MS by releasing daily definition updates as opposed to the monthly updates that MS release!

They do, but users should not be relying on AV as front line defense. They are not steel walls. Your system can be compromised, even if AV is up to date.

Life will go on. Millions will enjoy XP like they have for over a decade. Some will call and ask me to install Windows 7. Just your average day.

I think the main problem will for Microsoft. I know so many people that have no idea that their xp laptop or desktop is not going to be supported anymore - they don't even know what support at this level is. All they will see is that Windows has become more vulnerable as exploits that appear to interrupt their normal use.

MS does have to stop support for xp but at the same time they have almost created a rod for their own back - xp was stable and it means that people don't just throw it away unless they know what they are doing.

"Well, for one thing, Windows 7 and 8 have modern architectures and can make better use out of your hardware so if nothing else, by upgrading your machine will see a performance boost."

What an absolute load of pure 100% ########. Historically, new OSes run slower on the same hardware due to extra load from newer services. I'm sorry, but Windows 7/8 WILL NOT run faster than XP on the same hardware. It's been tested and benchmarked a zillion times already.

...And when all of you that won't upgrade get screwed when the support ends, you'll no doubt all be blaming Microsoft for not protecting you...

how do you even get this "ransomware thing"?

i havent used an antivirus for about 4 years or more and i havent got any viruses, probably only minor worms and trojans, or whatever one could get if they visit porn sites with private session (no addons for protection)

and besides performance issues (that i get every 2-3 months) which force me to reinstall windows and wipe the HDD each time, i dont see any other problems

i never keep any vital information on my computer, so i dont care if something happens, the only annoying thing is reinstalling and then setting things back to the way they used to be, also losing all your downloads is a pain, but not if you never get round to watch/play them


so back to ransomware... do i need to google "how do i infect myself with ransomware in order to test it out"?

Microsoft could pull a simple haha and wait 2 months, catch the exploits that come out with one final patch round, then abandoned it (permanently).

If people don't want to move off of XP, that's on them. Something happens to their system, that's on them. I have stopped trying to spend 30+ minutes with people to explain to them what will/will not happen. Some simply refuse to move up, which often times means a new system or a massive system guts overhaul. They usually use the don't-have-the-money line, which is true for some. The don't-have-the-time line I don't buy.

I don't get where this attitude is coming from.
Many people are migrating off XP, those that aren't use it for a reason and quite likely they're not internet connected.

Raa said,
I don't get where this attitude is coming from.
Many people are migrating off XP, those that aren't use it for a reason and quite likely they're not internet connected.

it comes from the fact that the end of XP support also comes the death of ie6

seta-san said,

it comes from the fact that the end of XP support also comes the death of ie6


IE6 was dead years ago. Heck even IE7 and IE8 are practically dead too!

Raa said,

IE6 was dead years ago. Heck even IE7 and IE8 are practically dead too!

ie6 is still supported as long as XP is. It's companies reliance on ie6 web apps that are the majority of the resistance to upgrading

Looks like there's no way to report bad grammar check on this news post... so let me point it out here...

The extended lifecycle payments could cost some banks up to $100 million to protect ATMs that run Windows XP and at that price and at that price, it's quite obvious why consumers will not be able to purchase extended support.

"Windows XP: What will likely happen on April 9th"
Probably nothing will happen if you have never taken any updates and made it thus far.

In fact, it's already save to start publishing those exploits already, it's not like Microsoft will have enough time to get a patch ready by 8th April.

All I can say to those holding back, just upgrade to a newer windows os and save yourself immense pain and financial loss in the long-term.

aviator189 said,
All I can say to those holding back, just upgrade to a newer windows os and save yourself immense pain and financial loss in the long-term.

And you will pay for it?

Lots cannot upgrade currently because of financial loss. If a new machine is needed, lots dont have 300+ to get a new one. And lots dont know how to upgrade their OS. So that requires a tech shop and again, money.

Then pick up a second hand one for 50-75 bucks that is able to run 7-8.

If you can't spare 50 bucks over the course of a few years, then you have much bigger issues than the support of XP ending.

Shadowzz said,
Then pick up a second hand one for 50-75 bucks that is able to run 7-8.

If you can't spare 50 bucks over the course of a few years, then you have much bigger issues than the support of XP ending.

Ok, I pickup a PC running XP for $50 that is upgradable to Win7. I do not know how to upgrade to Win7. So I have to spend money first for a license for Win7 and then find a PC shop that can do the upgrade. Win7 license is around $100 while most PC shops will charge you $75 just to look at your issue and then more on top of that. Plus, if you have data that needs to be copied from the old system to the new, then more charges. Need to upgrade some of your apps? More charges.

So a second had PC has more expenses tied to it than just that and may be cheaper to just get a new $300 machine.

If I walk into second hand shops all over, I see computers with Vista and 7 already installed for 50-75 euro's, and if you look around better... They're often free or near free (i've seen 25 euro Windows 7 laptops). They aren't the best machines and often indeed borderline usable. But again, for people that can only spend 50 bucks once every 5+ years, they have bigger issues then having a fancy smancy computer.

Apps? What apps do those people have? Especially paid for, maybe office and an AV.
Office is free, so is AV. If they know how to internet, they can enter search queries into their favorite start page.

Its not as black/white as you think it is. And it isnt just 50-75 for a lot of people. Apps vary per user. There can potentially be a lot of other costs associated that many just cannot afford.

Not sure why everybody assuming that *every* machine that's still running XP is some dilapidated junker from 2003.. a fair number of them could probably handle 7 or 8 with no issues, and 99.9% of your software is still going to run.. only cost would be the OS itself. Pop the disc in, hit upgrade and walk away for a while. Said junkers are boned obviously, wouldn't handle the newer versions of Windows (or many Linux distros for that matter).

You can't expect *anything* to last or be supported forever, not sure why people think their computers should be a special exception.

techbeck said,
Its not as black/white as you think it is. And it isnt just 50-75 for a lot of people. Apps vary per user. There can potentially be a lot of other costs associated that many just cannot afford.

In those exceptions, I'm sure a secure computer is the last of their worries.

Max Norris said,
Not sure why everybody assuming that *every* machine that's still running XP is some dilapidated junker from 2003.. a fair number of them could probably handle 7 or 8 with no issues, and 99.9% of your software is still going to run.. only cost would be the OS itself. Pop the disc in, hit upgrade and walk away for a while. Said junkers are boned obviously, wouldn't handle the newer versions of Windows (or many Linux distros for that matter).

You can't expect *anything* to last or be supported forever, not sure why people think their computers should be a special exception.

XP cannot be "upgraded" in place to either 7 or 8. A clean install is required for both operating systems.

techbeck said,
And lots dont know how to upgrade their OS. So that requires a tech shop and again, money.

I agree 100%. I mean upgrading to 7 is an intimidating process for someone who is not tech savvy. Like, y'know, you have to open the DVD drive, put the disc in, turn on the computer and everything.

Dot Matrix said,

XP cannot be "upgraded" in place to either 7 or 8. A clean install is required for both operating systems.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting that since I normally do a clean install anyway.

Like i said on another thread, a class action lawsuit needs to happen against Microsoft. The lawsuit will not demand money, but to force Microsoft to offer reasonable solutions to support Windows XP. A lawsuit of this magnitude will be unprecedented (I believe), but because masses of people still depend on the OS, it can happen,.....despite what the EULA might say. Believe me, as a lawyer, in theory, I know it can happen. (see Uniform Commerical Code)

What solutions can Microsoft offer?
1. Paid support
2. Allow a third party to write updates (they can probably do it better and faster than MSFT's Patch Tuesday practice)

Microsoft or any other company doesn't have the right to force people to pay for upgrades or to buy new computers.

Again, If I were "that" kind of lawyer I would test it in the courts.

Edited by VictorWho, Mar 19 2014, 5:58pm :

VictorWho said,
Like i said on another thread, a class action lawsuit needs to happen against Microsoft. The lawsuit will not demand money, but to force Microsoft to offer reasonable solutions to support Windows XP. A lawsuit of this magnitude will be unprecedented (I believe), but because masses of people still depend on the OS, it can happen,.....despite what the EULA might say. Believe me, as a lawyer, in theory, I know it can happen. (see Uniform Commerical Code)

What solutions can Microsoft offer?
1. Paid support
2. Allow a third party to write updates (they can probably do it better and faster than MSFT's Patch Tuesday practice)

Microsoft or any other company doesn't have the right to force people to pay for upgrades or to buy new computers.

Again, If I were "that" kind of lawyer I would test it in the courts.

Good luck with that. :rofl:

VictorWho said,
Like i said on another thread, a class action lawsuit needs to happen against Microsoft. The lawsuit will not demand money, but to force Microsoft to offer reasonable solutions to support Windows XP. A lawsuit of this magnitude will be unprecedented (I believe), but because masses of people still depend on the OS, it can happen,.....despite what the EULA might say. Believe me, as a lawyer, in theory, I know it can happen. (see Uniform Commerical Code)

What solutions can Microsoft offer?
1. Paid support
2. Allow a third party to write updates (they can probably do it better and faster than MSFT's Patch Tuesday practice)

Microsoft or any other company doesn't have the right to force people to pay for upgrades or to buy new computers.

Again, If I were "that" kind of lawyer I would test it in the courts.

Microsoft is under no obligation to provide unlimited support. If they want to EoL Windows XP, then they can EoL Windows XP. It's their product.

XP has been on the chopping block for years now. There's no more excuses.

2. Allow a third party to write updates (they can probably do it better and faster than MSFT's Patch Tuesday practice)

Is that why MS has one of the fastest patch turnaround times for software?

Come back when you have to do the best you can to make sure that your patch will work on the millions of different software and hardware configurations that windows runs on.

Oh and if the exploit is severe enough MS usually releases a patch within a couple of hours but with the warning that the patch hasn't been throughly tested and could cause things to screw up.

And there is no law that states that Microsoft has to provide support for something that is 14 years old, and you must be a terrible lawyer if you think that there is.

It's in everyone's interests, including the Governments, for XP to finally die. No one will stop Microsoft killing something that should have been axed years ago.

Anyone trying to prolong the life of XP is an idiot.

I wish all the posts about windows XP support ending would end. Sure your trying to scare people in to upgrading, if people WANTED to upgrade they would have done it by now. The people that DON'T WANT TO or CANT are not going to be swayed.

exotoxic said,
I wish all the posts about windows XP support ending would end. Sure your trying to scare people in to upgrading, if people WANTED to upgrade they would have done it by now. The people that DON'T WANT TO or CANT are not going to be swayed.

Sure. But I just hope they're happy living in the years 2001 to 2007, (well, 2001 to 2009 since no one wanted Vista,) when it's supposed to be the year 2014.

I mean, it's not just in comparison to modern Windows that makes XP look archaic. It looks so archaic compared to any modern technology that society now completely runs on, it's not even funny...

Yes, you can still find ways to protect yourself, but you are betting on a third-party being able to react quick enough to block the new threats before you are infected. By not upgrading, you are opening yourself up to unnecessary threats by running a piece of software that was released in 2001.

Umm, a ton of third partys are very responsive and quick to act. This article is making it seem that there are no good options for users to stay protected. Ransomeware, I have seen on Win7 as well and wait for it, Win8.

techbeck said,

Umm, a ton of third partys are very responsive and quick to act. This article is making it seem that there are no good options for users to stay protected. Ransomeware, I have seen on Win7 as well and wait for it, Win8.

It's a lot harder to infect Windows 7 and 8 with malware. Most of that happens as a result of PEBKAC. Windows XP, on the other hand, can be infected pretty easily without user interaction, especially without outdated or unpatched software on hand.

Ive seen a user get Win7 infected as worse as an XP machine. A lot of users dont download updates whether they be Windows or malware/virus protection updates. PEBKAC issues....doesnt matter how protected your system is by default. Ignorant users can and will infect a machine regardless.

The article is just scaremongering to try and make more people cough up for windows 8. Microsoft is counting on them to boost the now flatlined windows 8 sales numbers.

recursive said,
The article is just scaremongering to try and make more people cough up for windows 8. Microsoft is counting on them to boost the now flatlined windows 8 sales numbers.

Yup. Because Neowin is completely paid off by Microsoft.... :rolleyes:

recursive said,
The article is just scaremongering to try and make more people cough up for windows 8. Microsoft is counting on them to boost the now flatlined windows 8 sales numbers.

Scaremongering? Possibly but wouldn't say MS is counting on Neowin to boost sales. It just isn't right to state that users basically have no options to stay secure since 3rd parties are not responsive. I have seen MS take a looong time to address issues as well so with that logic, they are not secure by counting on MS either.

There are many options for XP users and many companies who are continuing to support their apps on XP.

Semtex said,
""
Windows XP: What will likely happen on April 9th""

Nothing...

I disagree, I personally think we'll see quite a few zero days released as a result of EoL.

I disagree as well with the article, why wait?

It's not like MS will make a patch fast enough, or that EOL would stop other patches from other companies. I highly doubt exploits would
be released the day after.

Dot Matrix said,

I disagree, I personally think we'll see quite a few zero days released as a result of EoL.


Most people are behind a router, and XP also has the firewall turned on by default. That restricts the attack surface mostly to IE that isn't mandatory to use. Exploits can also be catched by the antivirus realtime file/network scan.

That said the world didn't end when 98/2K lost support, I don't see why anything different would happen with XP. Unless Skynet lives! :o

Semtex said,
""
Windows XP: What will likely happen on April 9th""

Nothing...

We have a lot of PC at work running WinXP SP2 only. (what I seen after I was hired on) We have not seen an increase of attacks against those machines.

Som said,
agreed, so many of my customers are so paranoid about this. It's starting to get annoying now
So what're you doing about it? Advising all of them to just stick with XP and continue on as if nothing's the matter? No doubt they'll come running to you to clean their systems if required (not saying it'll happen on April 9 itself) and you'll profit?

Romero said,
So what're you doing about it? Advising all of them to just stick with XP and continue on as if nothing's the matter? No doubt they'll come running to you to clean their systems if required (not saying it'll happen on April 9 itself) and you'll profit?

why so angry and presumptuous? oh wait it's the internet. the people who are coming to me are thinking they can upgrade there 10+ year old systems to windows 8. I tell them that they would be better off investing in a new computer rather than wasting money on an old one.

Malware exists on Windows 8 btw, i had a customer just today who had a laptop for a massive 4 days and he managed to get crap on his computer. Some people just click anything on the internet and realise what they are doing. Doesn't matter what OS they are using...

Som said,
the people who are coming to me are thinking they can upgrade there 10+ year old systems to windows 8. I tell them that they would be better off investing in a new computer rather than wasting money on an old one.
Not angry, just curious about your "annoyed" response and possible motivations because I've seen many so-called "experts" dispensing horrendous self-serving advice to customers. Even fought with a few on behalf of people who got cheated. I find people coming to me asking about this as great news because most are otherwise clueless about security. Gives me a chance to educate them a bit, perhaps help them upgrade their systems so Win7/8 can be installed or provide them the same advice you do if they can afford it.

Som said,
Malware exists on Windows 8 btw, i had a customer just today who had a laptop for a massive 4 days and he managed to get crap on his computer. Some people just click anything on the internet and realise what they are doing. Doesn't matter what OS they are using...
Ain't nothing that can protect against PEBCAK on any OS, I fully agree with you.

I deal with a lot of teachers, teachers are annoying :p
Most of the people who ask, windows xp suits their needs. They usual don't go on the internet much and they are coming in wanting to buy windows 8 upgrade thinking it will also make their computer faster. It get's annoying because it's exhausting having to repeat myself ... also these are the type of people who get freaked out if their anti-virus stops working for a millisecond. People are so paranoid about security these days, why can't everyone just relax :p
Also doesn't help that windows 8 is annoying, it's something I honestly can't recommend to someone and that it's worth upgrading to (I'm am using windows 8 right now btw). It's fine for a new computer but I would actually feel guilt upgrading someone to it...

Som said,
also these are the type of people who get freaked out if their anti-virus stops working for a millisecond.
Huh, those are quite tech-savvy then compared to the masses I deal with who barely know what OS they're running and are ignorant of the fact that the junk trial AV bundled with their PC by the manufacturer stopped worked years ago.

Som said,
Also doesn't help that windows 8 is annoying, it's something I honestly can't recommend to someone and that it's worth upgrading to (I'm am using windows 8 right now btw). It's fine for a new computer but I would actually feel guilt upgrading someone to it...
I feel no guilt if someone asks for it. If they're clueless then downgrading to Win7 is a definite possibility but I tell them to try Win8 first and give them a few quick tutorials. Even if they don't use Metro apps all that much (or at all) as long as they're comfortable with the Start Screen then there's not much else they come back to me to complain about. Depends very much on the person though.

FloatingFatMan said,
This will be as eventful as the Y2K disasters that shut down the wo.... Oh wait, that was a complete dud, wasn't it? :p

Exactly what I was going to type after reading the post above about the world not ending after support ran out for 98/W2k, or any other OS.

Talk about drama!!

Bummer, no source link! I was going to send it to my brother who still has XP but can't afford another computer. I have a Windows 7 computer here that I'm going to give him maybe, but he say he can't stand Windows 7.

When he gets in trouble, he'll call me and then I'll get him to work on my cars for a trade! ;)

Som said,
I deal with a lot of teachers, teachers are annoying :p
Most of the people who ask, windows xp suits their needs. They usual don't go on the internet much and they are coming in wanting to buy windows 8 upgrade thinking it will also make their computer faster. It get's annoying because it's exhausting having to repeat myself ... also these are the type of people who get freaked out if their anti-virus stops working for a millisecond. People are so paranoid about security these days, why can't everyone just relax :p
Also doesn't help that windows 8 is annoying, it's something I honestly can't recommend to someone and that it's worth upgrading to (I'm am using windows 8 right now btw). It's fine for a new computer but I would actually feel guilt upgrading someone to it...

Seems people go to you to ask for computer advise. Do what I do, teach them how to use Windows 8. And DO NOT RECOMMEND a 13 year old OS. Windows 8 will speed up there computer. (maybe not by much) and Windows 8 IS more secure, so your argument makes no sense. "Annoying" is a matter of opinion, it is people like you who are preventing Windows 8 from being successful. Stop spreading FUD

ians18 said,

Seems people go to you to ask for computer advise. Do what I do, teach them how to use Windows 8. And DO NOT RECOMMEND a 13 year old OS. Windows 8 will speed up there computer. (maybe not by much) and Windows 8 IS more secure, so your argument makes no sense. "Annoying" is a matter of opinion, it is people like you who are preventing Windows 8 from being successful. Stop spreading FUD

glad i'm not asking you for advice... what your saying is if you put windows 8 on a 10+ old computer, lets say with pentium 4 and 512MB ram that it would run faster than windows xp on the same computer? ha
anywho i'm not spreading any fear of windows 8, i truely don't care.... glad to be contributing to the downfall of windows 8 though, weeeeeee, if I had that much influence I'd use it on something more important

Som said,
I deal with a lot of teachers, teachers are annoying :p
Most of the people who ask, windows xp suits their needs. They usual don't go on the internet much and they are coming in wanting to buy windows 8 upgrade thinking it will also make their computer faster. It get's annoying because it's exhausting having to repeat myself ... also these are the type of people who get freaked out if their anti-virus stops working for a millisecond. People are so paranoid about security these days, why can't everyone just relax :p
Also doesn't help that windows 8 is annoying, it's something I honestly can't recommend to someone and that it's worth upgrading to (I'm am using windows 8 right now btw). It's fine for a new computer but I would actually feel guilt upgrading someone to it...

With your attitude I have to ask, how are you still employed?

If they freak out because their AV software stops working, then it's a valid concern! We could do without cowboys like you.

Steve121178 said,

With your attitude I have to ask, how are you still employed?

If they freak out because their AV software stops working, then it's a valid concern! We could do without cowboys like you.


hehehehehe I dunno why i'm replying , i think this is all very funny really. if you read the post you quoted, it says they freak out if the antivirus stops working for a millisecond. That may be a small exaggeration. What I mean is a few minutes. These are the type of people who won't install a new antivirus because they think that in the time that they remove the old one and install the new one that they would be compromised and be riddled with viruses. While not a millisecond , maybe a few minutes without an antivirus.

What i'm trying to say as clearly as I can is that far too many people over react too seriously about security etc.
I'll reiterate , why can't people just relax.... :p

Semtex said,
""
Windows XP: What will likely happen on April 9th""

Nothing...

Well since the first thing i do on all computers is to disable windows update anyway ... i guess nothing will happen :)