WinMo 6.x phones not Windows Phone 7 compatible; HD2 included?

According to APC, it looks like Windows Mobile 6.x users won't be getting the Windows Phone 7 Series anytime soon. In order to run WP7S on a phone, the device must have three buttons (back, start, and search). But what happens when a phone has more than three buttons, as is the case with the HD2? According to Natasha Kwan, the General Manager for Microsoft's Mobile Communications Business in the Asia-Pacific region, the powerful HD2 "doesn't qualify because it doesn't have the three buttons." In addition, Business Operations Director for Microsoft Australia, Tony Wilkinson, says there's more to it than just buttons. "There are some hardware components that the HD doesn't have."

It's unclear which hardware the HD2 is missing. Last time we checked, the HD2 was rockin' some pretty powerful specs. Surely it should be able to handle WP7S. APC suggests that the new OS may require "a pixel-pushing graphics chip"--something the HD2 is apparently missing. However, MobileTechWorld says that HTC has yet to rule out upgrading the HD2 to WP7S, stating that the phone is fully capable of running the new OS. The consensus seems to be--you'll find out at MIX. Rest assured, Neowin will be there to report back.

So, assuming the HD2's hardware is sufficient, the only problem would seemingly be the buttons. This begs the question: aren't five buttons better than three? The obvious answer would be "yes." Why would having too many buttons be detrimental to a phone's ability to run an OS? Until MIX, this tweet is all we're getting:

HD2 Upgrade to WP7S Tweet

 

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The HD2 has a home and back button. It also has a windows button which brings up the program explorer thing, so why not change that to function as a search key?

Wow... A lot of people I think bought the HD2 because of HTC's promise that it would get an update to WP7... I wonder what's going to happen here...

here's for ppl who span in under 50 :P

1: 3 buttons mean 3 hardware navigation buttons, ur typical send and end button is not the issue.

2: of those 3 one should be start button [win logo button], back button and search button.

3: HD2 got 2 of such button's doesnt have search button, instead a home button.

very similar to what happen when 6.5 came, it required / mandatory to have start/ win logo button, thus many devices didnt get official updates. like i already said HD1 didnt had but diamond2 has it thus have official 6.5.
but that didnt stop xda :P im loving my HD on 6.5.5

Man, some people, seriously. It's not because it doesn't have 3 buttons only, the rule is 3 buttons min, and they are specific, back, start, search. And the HD2 doesn't have a search button. That was one example given as to why it doesn't qualify, if it doesn't, wait till MiX! The other bit could be something else in hardware that's lacking. People need to read the whole article and not just the headline or the first few sentinces.

GP007 said,
Man, some people, seriously. It's not because it doesn't have 3 buttons only, the rule is 3 buttons min, and they are specific, back, start, search. And the HD2 doesn't have a search button. That was one example given as to why it doesn't qualify, if it doesn't, wait till MiX! The other bit could be something else in hardware that's lacking. People need to read the whole article and not just the headline or the first few sentinces.

Thats crazy talk, we all know peoples attention span is limited to 140 characters these days...

all this button thingy, why u guys cant get it, if they set a specs for 3 buttons then many phone will not get it, no matter its HD2, same thing happened to HD as it didnt had the windows button so no official win 6.5, but because diamond 2 has win button it got official 6.5 updates.

i think u gonna see official 6.5.5/ 6.6 for HD2 soon like on hd mini

Well the AT&T Tilt 2 phone is my last purchase for Windows Mobile phone . I am very fustrated with how Microsoft has lagged behind with OS since 2007. I had the first AT&T Tilt and I was only able to upgrade from 6.0 to 6.1. That OS sucked big time. It was full of bugs and never received updates. When 6.5 came out, I was told my phone was old and outdated. It was then I had purchased the AT&T Tilt 2 in December of 2009. Now Microsoft wants to say we can not upgrade our OS to 7. We are no longer doing anymore updates or improvements to 6.5. You have to buy a whole new phone to get 7. All I can say is that Microsoft can rock steady on my middle finger. I am not buying anymore of their mobile phones. Apple has this mobile s**t warapped locked and sold. Even their old clients are not left out in the cold.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Well the AT&T Tilt 2 phone is my last purchase for Windows Mobile phone . I am very fustrated with how Microsoft has lagged behind with OS since 2007. I had the first AT&T Tilt and I was only able to upgrade from 6.0 to 6.1. That OS sucked big time. It was full of bugs and never received updates. When 6.5 came out, I was told my phone was old and outdated. It was then I had purchased the AT&T Tilt 2 in December of 2009. Now Microsoft wants to say we can not upgrade our OS to 7. We are no longer doing anymore updates or improvements to 6.5. You have to buy a whole new phone to get 7. All I can say is that Microsoft can rock steady on my middle finger. I am not buying anymore of their mobile phones. Apple has this mobile s**t warapped locked and sold. Even their old clients are not left out in the cold.

Microsoft have said they will continually actively supporting 6.5.x TBH I'm unimpressed that my HTC TP2 is supposedly not worthy but then again that's what the community over at XDA devs is for. ;)

I think it was always going to be a nice to have but people were being a bit wishful if they assumed it would be able to be upgraded before the OS was even demonstrated. If they do allow it then that'd be nice but otherwise I don't think its the end of the world.

Doesn't Microsoft require all Windows Phone 7 devices to have those 2 buttons? Home and Search? That being said I think its obvious no other phones will run it.

Xero said,
Doesn't Microsoft require all Windows Phone 7 devices to have those 2 buttons? Home and Search? That being said I think its obvious no other phones will run it.

Three buttons: home, search and back.
However, yes you could have a point. Unless phones have only these 3 buttons, it's difficult to get an update option from 6.5

Same, got my HD2 Hoping for a win7 upgrade when it came out (infact I'm sure I read somewhere that it was definitely going to be upgraded). Ah well, we'll see!

Considering we've heard multiple
stories from multiple sources (there will be upgrades/ there won't be upgrades/it's up to the OEMs/etc.), maybe we should wait until Mix before we start to freak out

Not sure about the four-way multitouch either. As i understand it, multitouch is a software feature (so the HD2 might support it). But should 4 way multitouch be hardware dependent, then yeah, the HD2 would be disqualified. About the GPU...I think the GPU is on the chip with the snapdragon. I doubt it's lacking then, future phones will, for a while, contain the same chip.

Seems retarded that it can't do it because it has too many buttons...
http://operation420.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1368

mpg187 said,
Seems retarded that it can't do it because it has too many buttons...
http://operation420.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1368
The buttons don't match functionality though.

One of the three is a search button, the HD2 has no "search" button, so they'd have to relabel one of them, which would make no sense to an end user.

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/Common/Shared_Image/Icons/HTC_HD2_Button.jpg

Edited by Kirkburn, Mar 1 2010, 10:23pm :

Kirkburn said,
The buttons don't match functionality though.

One of the three is a search button, the HD2 has no "search" button, so they'd have to relabel one of them, which would make no sense to an end user.

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/Common/Shared_Image/Icons/HTC_HD2_Button.jpg

Exactly. I think that's the issue to be honest...

But then HTC shouldn't have guaranteed that updates would be available... Sounds like someone dropped the ball here...

I guess its because it doesn't have the search button. But I'm sure the kids over at XDA will have it running on there in no time at all.
Once they do it will hopefully show us why MS decided not to offer the update to the HD.

Raa said,
Ahh damn. So no WinMo7 on my HTC Touch Pro 2 :(

i hope your being sarcastic? no current phone will be able to run it. even the devs won't be able to port it or make custom roms becuase it will be so locked down.

fixxxer2010 said,
i hope your being sarcastic? no current phone will be able to run it. even the devs won't be able to port it or make custom roms becuase it will be so locked down.

I hope you're being sarcastic?!?!?!?!? Do you seriously believe a phone OS cannot be ported over if the device is capable? I have a Touch Pro 2 also and in all fairness the only problem with the current released specs is the fact it is a resistive screen and not a capacitive screen, the rest of the internal hardware may be technically capable of handling the OS. The devs will be looking at the software as it is one of the most anticipated phone OS's to come. If it's software it can be cracked simple as that. If you think it's uncrackable you could not be more wrong.

cerealfreak said,

I hope you're being sarcastic?!?!?!?!? Do you seriously believe a phone OS cannot be ported over if the device is capable? I have a Touch Pro 2 also and in all fairness the only problem with the current released specs is the fact it is a resistive screen and not a capacitive screen, the rest of the internal hardware may be technically capable of handling the OS. The devs will be looking at the software as it is one of the most anticipated phone OS's to come. If it's software it can be cracked simple as that. If you think it's uncrackable you could not be more wrong.

go talk tot he devs at xda and ppcgeeks and tell them, not me. do you see any ports of webos or iphone anywhere?

fixxxer2010 said,

go talk tot he devs at xda and ppcgeeks and tell them, not me. do you see any ports of webos or iphone anywhere?

Probably because iPhone OS and WebOS come only with drivers for very specific handset models, making porting it ridiculously hard (you'd have to write the drivers for other hardware from the ground up presumably), whereas Windows Mobile & Android have avaliable device drivers for many hardware configurations that we can use. Presumably, the same will be said of Windows Phone 7 series.

~Johnny said,

Probably because iPhone OS and WebOS come only with drivers for very specific handset models, making porting it ridiculously hard (you'd have to write the drivers for other hardware from the ground up presumably), whereas Windows Mobile & Android have avaliable device drivers for many hardware configurations that we can use. Presumably, the same will be said of Windows Phone 7 series.

not from the devs ive talked to. we shall see.

fixxxer2010 said,

not from the devs ive talked to. we shall see.


I do too talk to the devs over at XDA regularly updating my phone with cooked Roms maybe twice a month, and am also working on my own ROMs, I'd love to know which chef you've spoken to that doesn't want to try and port the new WinPho7 OS to their preferred Windows phone. There aren't any iPhone OS's because of the driver issues for hardware, but there are plenty of iPhone-esque software to install and make your windows phone work like it, as well as WebOS type ones.

fixxxer2010 said,
i bank on the HD2 not being upgradable. we already knew all current phones could not get 7 on them.

I would imagine that with hardware like the HD2 has, it will be elementary for xda or PPCGeeks to get it ported. Hell...they get Android working on some old HTCs so I can't imagine a capacitive Snapdragon phone like that would not work. I bet the hardware will be nearly identical to some launch devices.

GP007 said,
MS keeps telling people to wait till MiX, just 2 weeks people, man.

Indeed.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the upgrade limit is only for 6.1 versions and not for all 6.5 versions.

DaveGreen said,

Indeed.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the upgrade limit is only for 6.1 versions and not for all 6.5 versions.

Also, the big thing that everyone is missing is that there are 2 product evolutions coming out and not just one.

According to what came out recently at an MVP summit, they were told by Microsoft that Windows Phone 7 will be coming out as a new platform with all the eye candy.

Also, there will be the next version of windows mobile, which is just windows mobile 7. This version will have all the backwards support and dev environment that winmo developers are accustomed too. This is mainly for business users and enterprise applications that are completely dominated by WM 5 and 6.

More than likely, there will be an easy upgrade path for WM6 users. However, it will be placed at the carriers discretion, since they are the ones that have to approve it.