WP7: "Public" Mango beta due June 22/23

Today, the slew of "pre-Mango" posts began. Were you suspicious about why the sudden posting? It's because Microsoft has been giving out the build to the press ahead of the Mango Beta release, which is due to be announced within the next 24 hours.

Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices.

The timing of the claims line up, as do the legitimacy of the claims considering the amount of reviews that have just appeared. Also, if you look at multiple reviews, each one uses a different device. There aren't any Mango events worldwide for this specific launch, so we expect a release will appear on Microsoft's PressPass site soon.

Mango brings a new set of features to the platform, including IE9 support, full IM integration, performance improvements and multitasking and is expected to be released in September of this year for general availability.

Update: Neowin used multiple sources to comfirm this news. The sources used to confirm this article are reliable, and this news is not considered a rumor currently. In addition, the software giant is planning on handing out developer devices to VIP devlopers as part of the announcement.

Update #2: ​If you weren't convinced yet, Microsoft Addict says that "After asking around, [they are] hearing murmurs of a June 22nd release as well."

Update #3: It seems that not all is clear on the release of the beta, Brandon Watson states on his Twitter account that "Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week." At minimum, you will begin to see full reviews of 'Mango', but speculation on if a beta will ship this week continues.

 

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Three questions:

1) Will the public beta be restricted in any way (i.e. function or time limits?)

2) Will this completely de-brand both the carrier and manufacture branding?

3) Will the betas receive automatic updates to the stable builds? Or will we be able to download and flash a stable build from MSDN once it's released?

I have to admit, I'm shocked they're doing it this way, particularly after we first heard word that they would be kicking out beta phones, not kicking out a beta load. But, as I think about it, this makes sense if they really want to get Mango ready quicker. First, it bypasses the carriers (a BIG plus in my book). Second, I'm convinced one of the reasons the previous updates have run into so many issues is that Microsoft & the OEMs didn't test everything as extensively or across enough variation of uses as they should have. Choosing to handle Mango this ways puts the method more on par with the way they handle the desktop Windows and stands a better chance of revealing--and FIXING--issues quicker, enabling a more stable and, possibly, sooner release.

If I pay the $100, can I gain access to it more quickly - even if I have a Samsung Focus?
Does the phone have to be one of their "developer" phones?

norseman said,
If I pay the $100, can I gain access to it more quickly - even if I have a Samsung Focus?
Does the phone have to be one of their "developer" phones?

read the article

windows95isg8 said,
Having a dev account is far from being available to the public don't you think?

I don't understand why everone is getting all caught up over this public beta. It is public! Anyone may (at their option) may purchase a developer account, and is thereby entitled to this beta. Those who cannot afford it or otherwise do not wish to pay will not get it through the official developer portal. Simple as that.

Would you say that Xbox Live or PSN Plus are "private" services? IF you have an Xbox 360 or PS3, AND purchase an account (at your option), you can use your account and its associated services. They are available to the general public.

For those who want to get this but are't a paid dev I'm sure those peeps over at xda will get their hands on it and let others update "unofficially" if they want.

GP007 said,
For those who want to get this but are't a paid dev I'm sure those peeps over at xda will get their hands on it and let others update "unofficially" if they want.

It requires a working developer account to unlock the beta builds. Sorry.

Thats it!.. Im switching to windows phone 7.. Im kinda sick of seeing everyone here with iphones.. doesnt make my one feel special anymore ..hehe

But.. I just love what MS has done with this OS.. Win phone 7.. HERE I COME!

So it's not public then? Way to get my hopes up I know the article mentions "paid developer accounts" but just to make sure: Do I have to pay to be able to download this beta, or can I sign up for one of these accounts for free? I have no money for the next month or so.

Callum said,
So it's not public then? Way to get my hopes up I know the article mentions "paid developer accounts" but just to make sure: Do I have to pay to be able to download this beta, or can I sign up for one of these accounts for free? I have no money for the next month or so.

Same wording Apple uses Can you get access to dreamspark? Its free there.

Owen W said,

Same wording Apple uses Can you get access to dreamspark? Its free there.

Fair enough then And ooooh, I'll have to check Dreamspark. Thanks for the headsup

Edited by Calum, Jun 21 2011, 10:59am :

Callum said,

Fair enough then And ooooh, I'll have to check Dreamspark. Thanks for the headsup

AppHub signup takes 24 hours, so get onto it!

Callum said,
So it's not public then? Way to get my hopes up I know the article mentions "paid developer accounts" but just to make sure: Do I have to pay to be able to download this beta, or can I sign up for one of these accounts for free? I have no money for the next month or so.

You know, some things in life just aren't free.

Every WP7 owner wants Mango just as bad as you do, and many people have already developed apps (using Mango APIs too) and need to test them, as opposed to your 'thinking of coding some in the coming months'

burnblue said,

You know, some things in life just aren't free.

Every WP7 owner wants Mango just as bad as you do, and many people have already developed apps (using Mango APIs too) and need to test them, as opposed to your 'thinking of coding some in the coming months'


I understand that. I was mainly commenting about the article's headline getting my hopes up due to me misreading what "public" meant.

It's a beta for developers to prepare their apps for Mango, and also learn the new features and such.
Release will most likely still be sometime this Fall, as was announced.

M_A_D said,
It's a beta for developers to prepare their apps for Mango, and also learn the new features and such.
Release will most likely still be sometime this Fall, as was announced.

My bets on sometime in Sept still. Getting a beta to play with right now shows that they're on track imo.

Mango truly seems to be ready for a fall launch. However I hope there are New developers devices with more capable hardware, also.

FMH said,
Mango truly seems to be ready for a fall launch. However I hope there are New developers devices with more capable hardware, also.

MS will probably hand out new dev hardware with mango as well, but I don't expect that soon. My bet is probably late July or mid-Aug for new dev hardware to go out.

GP007 said,

MS will probably hand out new dev hardware with mango as well, but I don't expect that soon. My bet is probably late July or mid-Aug for new dev hardware to go out.


Dev hardware is on the same day!

What? This is a BETA they are relesing. Not the final product. If you read around it is not finished and still has bugs, it is being released to developers, so they can test new functionality outside of an emulator.

Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

do you have any idea what you're talking about? release is still slated for fall (september at the earliest), they just have to give the developers a head-start so that they can code for the new APIs..

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

I would write a long post about how a lot of the iOS5 features seem to be poorly implemented features from other OSs but judging by your spelling and sentence structure it would just go over your head.
Much more better indeed.

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

and you realise for how long iOS is out.. and compared to it how recently WP7 came out.

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please
Its for devs to update their apps so customers get an really good experience, just like Apple released iOS5 betas for devs to update their apps. It seems microsoft can actually have control over those who get their hands on mango because i have ios5 and im no dev.

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please
You are right. 500 features is way to rushed. It should have 1000. Like iPhone's 10-20 new features (which like 5 are from WP7's Mango anyway).

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

They are not rushing it out; this is simply a beta. If anything, releasing a beta will help ensure the operating system is more robust than if they hadn't released a beta, so you can hardly imply Microsoft are creating shoddy work. Also, iOS 5 is awful compared to Windows Phone Mango, so Microsoft have nothing to be worried about in that regard; all they need to do now is ensure the public become aware of just how awesome Windows Phone Mango is.

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... I was having a pretty ****ty day till now. First I read the awesome news ( Fingers crossed that we do get it ), and then I read your comment!! My day just got a bit brighter!

Nonny said,
Microsoft is scared of Apple, they are rushing the Mango update out just to beat iOS5 because they know the iOS update is much more better. This suppose to release date in Fall but now its June after seeing Apple demonstrateon!! Very sad, fire Steve Baller please

iOS5 was generally a snorefest and all the people I know who were planning on getting new iPhones are now getting Android or Windows Phones instead. Why wait until fall when you can have all those features and more today?

Xerax said,
You are right. 500 features is way to rushed. It should have 1000. Like iPhone's 10-20 new features (which like 5 are from WP7's Mango anyway).

"The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."

How is that a Public beta then?
More like a MSDN release.

the better twin said,
"The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."

How is that a Public beta then?
More like a MSDN release.

A private beta would be 'invite only' a public beta is anyone. It is just like NT 3.1 back in 1992, some of us were in the 'private beta' and some people could pay to have the CD shipped to them for a few bucks. The people that paid the few bucks were the 'public' beta testers.

As for comparing this to MSDN, it is a bit off base, as MSDN is fairly expensive and includes a vast amount of resources covering a lot of technologies.

Developing for WP7 is free, but if you are serious about writing an App that you want to publish, it is only $99, and this includes all the assistance and approval process that comes along with it.

So it is 'public' as in you don't need a special invite.

thenetavenger said,

A private beta would be 'invite only' a public beta is anyone. It is just like NT 3.1 back in 1992, some of us were in the 'private beta' and some people could pay to have the CD shipped to them for a few bucks. The people that paid the few bucks were the 'public' beta testers.

As for comparing this to MSDN, it is a bit off base, as MSDN is fairly expensive and includes a vast amount of resources covering a lot of technologies.

Developing for WP7 is free, but if you are serious about writing an App that you want to publish, it is only $99, and this includes all the assistance and approval process that comes along with it.

So it is 'public' as in you don't need a special invite.


You say a public beta is for anyone; however, this beta isn't for anyone. They haven't catered for those of us who cannot currently afford a paid developer account. They could have provided the beta to anyone who signs up for a free developer account (if those don't exist, they could allow them but not give them as many features as the paid accounts). I'm expecting to develop some Windows Phone apps in the coming months, so it would be nice to be able to play around with a Windows Phone Mango build while I write those apps. I can write the apps without money, then pay for an account to publish the apps when I do have some money. Unfortunately, Microsoft have not made this a public beta; they have made it a beta for those with paid developer accounts.

Callum said,

You say a public beta is for anyone; however, this beta isn't for anyone. They haven't catered for those of us who cannot currently afford a paid developer account. They could have provided the beta to anyone who signs up for a free developer account (if those don't exist, they could allow them but not give them as many features as the paid accounts). I'm expecting to develop some Windows Phone apps in the coming months, so it would be nice to be able to play around with a Windows Phone Mango build while I write those apps. I can write the apps without money, then pay for an account to publish the apps when I do have some money. Unfortunately, Microsoft have not made this a public beta; they have made it a beta for those with paid developer accounts.

The Disney theme park is a public park. Just because some families can't afford to take a vacation there does not make it a "private" park.

Chsoriano said,

The Disney theme park is a public park. Just because some families can't afford to take a vacation there does not make it a "private" park.

You're completely right I don't think I thought about my response Thanks for the correction

the better twin said,
"The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."

How is that a Public beta then?
More like a MSDN release.

What about those why have a student developer account?