WP7 updates "Mango" and "Apollo" detailed

Windows Phone 7 has been receiving a lot of attention recently and the rumors about platform updates seem to keep surfacing. The most recent rumor pings “Mango” as a major update that is slated to land this fall and “Apollo” which is the codename for Windows Phone 8 which is expected to arrive in 2012.

The latest rumors come in conjunction with smaller updates that may be announced at CES in early January.  According to Mary Jo Foley, the Mango update is expected to be much larger than the January/February update. It is explained that Mango will act more like WP7.5 which means that it will most likely bring new functionality to the table; Mango is expected to add Silverlight and HTML 5 support to WP7.

Neowin recently confirmed with a Microsoft insider that Verizon and Sprint will be launching WP7 at some point during January, which means most likely at CES.  Also expected around this time is an update to the platform that will add copy and paste, and Winrumors is suggesting that there may be a second update to allow for greater developer control of applications.

With all the rumors of updates to the WP7 platform, one thing for sure is that Microsoft is working hard to keep its mobile OS as relevant as possible. At this time, it’s probably safe to bet that Microsoft will not let its OS go stale and relive its own past experiences.   

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"...Mango is expected to add Silverlight and HTML 5 support to WP7..."

Should read more like...

Mango is expected to add an update to IE on WP7 that supports HTML5 and adds Silverlight browser content.

(The HTML5 update requires the new IE for WP7, and WP7 already is Silverlight based, but it doesn't yet have Silverlight web content in IE on WP7.)

wp7 is already better than android for sure... and imo better than iphone.. anybody who can't admit that hasn't used all three....

theres a reason android is rushing out significant updates all of a sudden and iphone defense ads are coming up round the clock on TV... they are worried... for good reason.

neowinman said,
wp7 is already better than android for sure... and imo better than iphone.. anybody who can't admit that hasn't used all three....

theres a reason android is rushing out significant updates all of a sudden and iphone defense ads are coming up round the clock on TV... they are worried... for good reason.

There is nothing new with companies launching new products to counteract something new launched by competitors; actually this is the right strategy.

I hope MS has learned the lesson and will not repeat the mistake to disregard the launch of new products like the iPhone as a joke and as a results loosing a huge percentage of marketshare.

Def. exciting news ... still looking for the supposed details though. As for the WP7 haters out there I still don't get you. What exactly are you not liking? We do not have cut/paste; neither did iPhone. The app store for MS is light but then you have to start somewhere. I don't know why the people are saying the browser is bad. I like it a lot. Much better than Safari on my iPhone, but I do wish it had Flash or HTML5 but by golly, I can live without it. My only real bee in my bonnet is having to move ALL my contact information to the cloud, AFTER installing Outlook Connector and copying stuff over, and then having to clean up my 300+ contacts (I know users with more). I really wish they would have had direct sync with Outlook and that their "Live" contacts supported pictures who are not using FB....but like driving a Porsche I persevered and think its a great phone. Its fast, stable and it just plain works. Just like iPhone. I loved my iPhone and think Android is a great device (many of my friends have a Galaxy S) and I am the only one so far who took a plunge on a WP7 device. A couple would have got the Focus as I did but the deals on the S around here are astounding but they do like WP7. As do I.

enroh said,
Def. exciting news ... still looking for the supposed details though. As for the WP7 haters out there I still don't get you. What exactly are you not liking? We do not have cut/paste; neither did iPhone. The app store for MS is light but then you have to start somewhere. I don't know why the people are saying the browser is bad. I like it a lot. Much better than Safari on my iPhone, but I do wish it had Flash or HTML5 but by golly, I can live without it. My only real bee in my bonnet is having to move ALL my contact information to the cloud, AFTER installing Outlook Connector and copying stuff over, and then having to clean up my 300+ contacts (I know users with more). I really wish they would have had direct sync with Outlook and that their "Live" contacts supported pictures who are not using FB....but like driving a Porsche I persevered and think its a great phone. Its fast, stable and it just plain works. Just like iPhone. I loved my iPhone and think Android is a great device (many of my friends have a Galaxy S) and I am the only one so far who took a plunge on a WP7 device. A couple would have got the Focus as I did but the deals on the S around here are astounding but they do like WP7. As do I.

As I've said before, WP7 is one of those OSs that you have to actually USE to know how good it really is, screenshots and videos don't do it justice.

So before people start hating on WP7 they should TRY a device running it, in a store, before jumping to conclusions about it.

KavazovAngel said,
Im getting my LG Optimus 7 tomorrow... excited!

I bought my HD7 on Tuesday and trust me, you'll love WP7. Those features that are missing, I don't really miss them TBH.

neo158 said,

I bought my HD7 on Tuesday and trust me, you'll love WP7. Those features that are missing, I don't really miss them TBH.

I miss very much desktop sync..... and I do not care for the "Cloud" mantra!!!

Fritzly said,

I miss very much desktop sync..... and I do not care for the "Cloud" mantra!!!

You do realise that tethering to a PC is so 1990s, the cloud might not be perfect but you don't want to know how many times i've had to copy contacts from one phone to another (not including Windows Mobile) because there was no way of syncing so other devices can use them. That alone makes cloud syncing worth it, don't you think?

Edited by neo158, Dec 16 2010, 1:47pm :

neo158 said,

You do realise that tethering to a PC is so 1990s, the cloud might not be perfect but you don't want to know how many times i've had to copy contacts from one phone to another (not including Windows Mobile) because there was no way of syncing so other devices can use them. That alone makes cloud syncing worth it, don't you think?

Absolutely not! What I think is right is to let users decide how they want to handle syncing and therefore offer choices.

Besides, personally I never had issues copying my contact lists from Outlook, and before OK from EccoPro, to modern phones. Granted the possibility to do it was not available with the MicroTac, my first cellular phone, but it was 1989.

Great stuff!! Now if only they can start using some innovative update names
Here are a few:
EatCrowTechJournalists
Hickory sticks
BTTTPOSCF2001
Better Than Those Two Palm OS Clones From 2001
7&Counting
Panoramic

The article title is misleading. Nothing is detailed in this article other than some update in "January/February" (not really detailed yathink?) or how about "The most recent rumor pings “Mango” as a major update that is slated to land this fall".

Seriously, what was 'detailed' here? the fact that there are no details and hard dates yet but just more rumors? ROFL

zkid2010 said,
The article title is misleading. Nothing is detailed in this article other than some update in "January/February" (not really detailed yathink?) or how about "The most recent rumor pings “Mango” as a major update that is slated to land this fall".

Seriously, what was 'detailed' here? the fact that there are no details and hard dates yet but just more rumors? ROFL

The previous comments you wrote seemed like trolling, that was the reason for my comments and I apologise if that wasn't the intention, anyway, I think that the Mango update will be here in Fall 2011 and the article got in wrong.

zkid2010 said,
The article title is misleading. Nothing is detailed in this article other than some update in "January/February" (not really detailed yathink?) or how about "The most recent rumor pings “Mango” as a major update that is slated to land this fall".

Seriously, what was 'detailed' here? the fact that there are no details and hard dates yet but just more rumors? ROFL

Look, you obviously own an Android phone (or want your mummy to buy you one badly, more like) and refuse to see anything else as even coming close. Your arguments are total failures, so stop trolling and leave the article if you can't be mature.

zkid2010 said,
The article title is misleading. Nothing is detailed in this article other than some update in "January/February" (not really detailed yathink?) or how about "The most recent rumor pings “Mango” as a major update that is slated to land this fall".

Seriously, what was 'detailed' here? the fact that there are no details and hard dates yet but just more rumors? ROFL

Yeah, same with previous few article titles, looks like neowin wants to be an attention whore or something and write kinky titles.

bguy_1986 said,
any rumors when the next at&t batch of phones will be out yet?

Nope, we only have rumors about what Verizon and Sprint might start with, any new phones though, nope. Well actually there is that leaked info about the Asus phone out there.

GP007 said,

Nope, we only have rumors about what Verizon and Sprint might start with, any new phones though, nope. Well actually there is that leaked info about the Asus phone out there.

I seen that - Haven't been impressed with the stuff I hear about Asus though...
Hopefully something else leaks soon so I can get my hands on one!

bguy_1986 said,

I seen that - Haven't been impressed with the stuff I hear about Asus though...
Hopefully something else leaks soon so I can get my hands on one!

I think that Sprint HTC Pro phone looks good, dunno how the size will be though, but it depends on what you're looking for.

GP007 said,

I think that Sprint HTC Pro phone looks good, dunno how the size will be though, but it depends on what you're looking for.


in my area I'm kind of stuck with AT&T....

bguy_1986 said,
any rumors when the next at&t batch of phones will be out yet?

Third quarter 2011 with Dual Core processors? I mean honestly I would not sell my HD7 for something similar; new processors, removable storage, higher res screens would justify another $500/600...

Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.

zkid2010 said,
Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.


Lol, geez, chill. Microsoft hasn't even said anything yet... it could be well before then.

zkid2010 said,
Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.

Errr..yeah...no there's going to be a major update in January, and probably another set of API/SDK updates (allowing for better apps) following the month after. Development cycles of projects like this are complex things, there are the major releases like the one next month, and the VERY BIG XP-Service Pack style releases that add major new functionality that will come in the fall. If the rumors can be trusted there are likely going to be several pretty big releases between now and 7.5

Owen W said,

Lol, geez, chill. Microsoft hasn't even said anything yet... it could be well before then.

Can't. They haven't said anything and I'm in the market for a new phone. Android is steaming ahead and there's simply no reason to wait for WP7 to finish 'baking'.

zkid2010 said,
Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.

Maybe you shouldn't even comment in news stories about WP7 as all you seem to do is act like a troll at the slightest mention of anything other than Android!!!!!

zkid2010 said,
Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.

Because the above date is set in stone and is official, not to mention it says nothing about not getting smaller updates between now and then either.

AgentGray said,

Errr..yeah...no there's going to be a major update in January, and probably another set of API/SDK updates (allowing for better apps) following the month after. Development cycles of projects like this are complex things, there are the major releases like the one next month, and the VERY BIG XP-Service Pack style releases that add major new functionality that will come in the fall. If the rumors can be trusted there are likely going to be several pretty big releases between now and 7.5

Okay first, you don't have to waste your breath attempting to explain the software development lifecycle to me - it's what I do for a living. Next, I've seen no definitive timeline for a January update, as the article states, it's rumors. Do you now wish me to school you on what rumors are?

zkid2010 said,

Okay first, you don't have to waste your breath attempting to explain the software development lifecycle to me - it's what I do for a living. Next, I've seen no definitive timeline for a January update, as the article states, it's rumors. Do you now wish me to school you on what rumors are?

And it's also a rumor about the fall update as well, so what's your point again? Oh right, you don't want to wait regardless of what the real date ends up being.

neo158 said,

Maybe you shouldn't even comment in news stories about WP7 as all you seem to do is act like a troll at the slightest mention of anything other than Android!!!!!

And you've added what? Oh that's right, nothing. FYI smartguy, I was about to pull the trigger on a HD7 purchase this morning before I read this. Yeah, I'm more than a little disappointed that I can't look for any updates until 'maybe' January, 'maybe' next fall and so won't get that otherwise sexy HD7 ableit lacking simple features which I was MORE than willing to wait for having been an original launch iPhone owner.

How about you check yourself first before bringing out the fanboi stick?

zkid2010 said,
Next, I've seen no definitive timeline for a January update, as the article states, it's rumors.

According to Mary Jo Foley, the Mango update is expected to be much larger than the January/February update.

They're as official as the rest of this rumor. In order to be BIGGER then the update planned for jan/feb then there has to be an update in that timeline.

GP007 said,

And it's also a rumor about the fall update as well, so what's your point again? Oh right, you don't want to wait regardless of what the real date ends up being.

That that whole thing about 'what the real date ends up being' put the stop on me getting an HD7 this morning so I'm a bit miffed. I've been through this 'buy this half-baked device and we'll get back to you in a year' BS with the iPhone and won't wait this time. There's simply no reason to. If some of you guys could disengage your lips from MS's posterior, you might see that its crappy news for people wanting to get into WP7 full-on.

If you're okay with paying premium for half-baked stuff, good for ya. You will grow out of it.

GP007 said,

Because the above date is set in stone and is official, not to mention it says nothing about not getting smaller updates between now and then either.

Reread the article (if you can). Nothing, let me repeat, nothing is 'set in stone' in that article, except that rumors abound. Mary Jo didn't give anything concrete either. Seriously, grow a pair...of eyes.

zkid2010 said,

And you've added what? Oh that's right, nothing. FYI smartguy, I was about to pull the trigger on a HD7 purchase this morning before I read this. Yeah, I'm more than a little disappointed that I can't look for any updates until 'maybe' January, 'maybe' next fall and so won't get that otherwise sexy HD7 ableit lacking simple features which I was MORE than willing to wait for having been an original launch iPhone owner.

How about you check yourself first before bringing out the fanboi stick?

Actually I own an Android Handset and a WP7 handset, so why don't you check yourself first before bringing out the Android "fanboi" stick, as the first update IS coming January/February time and won't be Mango, that's coming later as a major revision to the platform, and, unlike Android, I'll be guaranteed to get both of them.

So what, you owned an iPhone and were willing to wait, what, 3 software revisions before copy/paste was added, the same feature being added to WP7 after 3 months.

zkid2010 said,

Reread the article (if you can). Nothing, let me repeat, nothing is 'set in stone' in that article, except that rumors abound. Mary Jo didn't give anything concrete either. Seriously, grow a pair...of eyes.

That's what I said, nothing in the article is set in stone, you need to reread my post it seems. My point is that we don't know when any update is coming the only official word we have is that one is coming in early 2011, early 2011 is Jan or Feb, anything later and you'd say mid 2011 imo. The date for the first update bieng Jan is a logical guess since it's also more or less official that Verizon and probably sprint are getting WP7 devices in Jan, SO, just put 2 and 2 together and you'll see that a OS update that adds CDMA should also be the same update that brings C&P support + whatever little fixes we don't know about together in time for Verizon to ship phones. THUS the first update should be in January, it's logical and reasonible to think so even without a official date from MS.

AgentGray said,

Errr..yeah...no there's going to be a major update in January, and probably another set of API/SDK updates (allowing for better apps) following the month after. Development cycles of projects like this are complex things, there are the major releases like the one next month, and the VERY BIG XP-Service Pack style releases that add major new functionality that will come in the fall. If the rumors can be trusted there are likely going to be several pretty big releases between now and 7.5

I hope they get some new APIs released in the near future. The current API for accessing the camera is very limited. No access to full video stream means that many apps are hobbled. I'd love to implement real-time barcode scanning in Http://j.mp/PhraseMemeScanner but right now all we get access to is a limited "Take a Picture" task. Can't even specify resolution, focus or flash settings :-(

zkid2010 said,
Wow, well guess I'll go with the Mt4G rather than a HD7/WP7 phone. Next FALL? FALL of 2011??? So, what, maybe in a year we'll get some updates out?

Oh MS, you had the world in your hand and you tossed it like a spent cigarette. Hope that Neosaurs works out for ya.

Yes, you poor fool. Get a MT4G now, and watch as it doesn't get an update to 2.3 or to 3.0, because your carrier doesn't want to and there's no mandatory upgrade rule.

AgentGray said,

Errr..yeah...no there's going to be a major update in January, and probably another set of API/SDK updates (allowing for better apps) following the month after. Development cycles of projects like this are complex things, there are the major releases like the one next month, and the VERY BIG XP-Service Pack style releases that add major new functionality that will come in the fall. If the rumors can be trusted there are likely going to be several pretty big releases between now and 7.5

Source please?

LiquidSolstice said,

Yes, you poor fool. Get a MT4G now, and watch as it doesn't get an update to 2.3 or to 3.0, because your carrier doesn't want to and there's no mandatory upgrade rule.

You are aware that Carriers can hold delivery of updates for WP7 OS. aren' t you?

Fritzly said,

You are aware that Carriers can hold delivery of updates for WP7 OS. aren' t you?

You're right, they can do that, but unlike Android they can't prevent updates indefintely.

Fritzly said,

Well, based on what Joe Belfiore stated, and at least for US customers that mostly buy "Carriers crippled" devices the situation is more complicated:

http://arstechnica.com/microso...can-carriers-block-them.ars

The article is quite long but very well written and worth the time.

I didn't realise this, thanks, it's saved in my favourites i'll have a read of it later. I would assume that it affects US consumers though, i'll have to wait and see.

jason13524 said,

You missed the "in your opinion" as its an opinion not a fact.


I thought that was assumed, given this is a discussion forum.

Ruran said,
Great to hear they already have huge things planned! Chances are i'll be getting a WP7 when my plan is up mid next year.

Great! Except they said FALL which comes a bit after 'mid next year' on my calendar. No worries though, you can still get a real phone with Android when you're ready.

zkid2010 said,

Great! Except they said FALL which comes a bit after 'mid next year' on my calendar. No worries though, you can still get a real phone with Android when you're ready.

Talk about being an ass, get over it, people do like WP7 and yes it IS a real phone, makes calls just fine.

Ruran said,
Great to hear they already have huge things planned! Chances are i'll be getting a WP7 when my plan is up mid next year.

I got myself an HD7 on O2 P & G yesterday and I love it, I think it's one of those OSs you have to see running to decide whether you like it or not as screenshots just don't do it justice.

Sure there are a few minor issues but for a version 1.0 OS it's awesome and hopefully the update should eliminate them.

zkid2010 said,

Great! Except they said FALL which comes a bit after 'mid next year' on my calendar. No worries though, you can still get a real phone with Android when you're ready.

Commenting from under bridge are we?

zkid2010 said,

Great! Except they said FALL which comes a bit after 'mid next year' on my calendar. No worries though, you can still get a real phone with Android when you're ready.

Lol, it will be coming in FALL. However, he can buy the phone in 'mid next year' and, unlike android, be guaranteed to receive the FALL update.

Ruran said,
Great to hear they already have huge things planned! Chances are i'll be getting a WP7 when my plan is up mid next year.

It's certainly awesome they have these things PLANNED, but the fact that they're still fairly far off is not good news. Microsoft is only catching up to Apple and Google -- these updates will put Microsoft where those two are (and have been for a good period) almost a year from now.

Ayepecks said,

It's certainly awesome they have these things PLANNED, but the fact that they're still fairly far off is not good news. Microsoft is only catching up to Apple and Google -- these updates will put Microsoft where those two are (and have been for a good period) almost a year from now.

And in a lot of respects WP7 is ahead of the competition. Additionally, I'm sure Microsoft has a lot planned for these updates that isn't anything any of the competition has done already.

M_Lyons10 said,

And in a lot of respects WP7 is ahead of the competition. Additionally, I'm sure Microsoft has a lot planned for these updates that isn't anything any of the competition has done already.


In what respects are you referring to? I think it's a great platform with plenty of potential, but it is not ahead "in a lot of respects." In social network integration, yes, but other than that, what?

zkid2010 said,

Great! Except they said FALL which comes a bit after 'mid next year' on my calendar. No worries though, you can still get a real phone with Android when you're ready.

Yeah, no worries, you can get an Android phone and watch as your carrier drops upgrade support for it like a rock. You know, when you're ready to accept that there are still phones out there that are on 1.6, and many phones that are on 2.1 but will never recieve an update to 2.2, you'll see what the enticement of mandatory updates are.

Because unlike you, someone who bought a WP7 on launch day will continue to receive system updates for it for as long as it can turn on and connect to the network, no carrier bull$hit involved.

Go back under your bridge buddy.

Disclosure: I own a Sprint Hero and got screwed out of an official 2.2 update.

GP007 said,

Talk about being an ass, get over it, people do like WP7 and yes it IS a real phone, makes calls just fine.

Of course there are people who likes WP7, I use a HD7 for example. The real question is is how many people like it? MS is still silent about the number of devices sold do far............

LiquidSolstice said,

Yeah, no worries, you can get an Android phone and watch as your carrier drops upgrade support for it like a rock. You know, when you're ready to accept that there are still phones out there that are on 1.6, and many phones that are on 2.1 but will never recieve an update to 2.2, you'll see what the enticement of mandatory updates are.

Because unlike you, someone who bought a WP7 on launch day will continue to receive system updates for it for as long as it can turn on and connect to the network, no carrier bull$hit involved.

Go back under your bridge buddy.

Disclosure: I own a Sprint Hero and got screwed out of an official 2.2 update.

your point is mute as i owned the hero as well and we both know the devs at xda have builds of froyo and soon gingerbread. so basically what your saying is you hate the entire android platform over that one experience and now want to move to wp7 which is closed tighter than area 51. don't get me wrong wp7 has potential "once" the devs at xda hack it and create custom UI's and themes, roms. right now you couldn't pay me to own one.

GP007 said,

Talk about being an ass, get over it, people do like WP7 and yes it IS a real phone, makes calls just fine.

again the point is mute. in today's age people love to customize their UI and theme a phone and pc anyway they please. it's sorta like bragging rights per say. im glad some of you are happy with a "phone" that cannot even have the ability to choose how you want it to look. i dunno about some of you on here but i spend more time customizing my evo than actually using it for calls and what not.

smooth3006 said,

again the point is mute. in today's age people love to customize their UI and theme a phone and pc anyway they please. it's sorta like bragging rights per say. im glad some of you are happy with a "phone" that cannot even have the ability to choose how you want it to look. i dunno about some of you on here but i spend more time customizing my evo than actually using it for calls and what not.

moot*

Think about Apples uniform UI across their OS's, people love that, a main selling point is that you don't have to change anything out of the box. Most people do not want to faff around getting the UI they want, they want a good user experience without any effort.

LiquidSolstice said,

Yeah, no worries, you can get an Android phone and watch as your carrier drops upgrade support for it like a rock. You know, when you're ready to accept that there are still phones out there that are on 1.6, and many phones that are on 2.1 but will never recieve an update to 2.2, you'll see what the enticement of mandatory updates are.

Because unlike you, someone who bought a WP7 on launch day will continue to receive system updates for it for as long as it can turn on and connect to the network, no carrier bull$hit involved.

Go back under your bridge buddy.

Disclosure: I own a Sprint Hero and got screwed out of an official 2.2 update.

Just like how older Windows Mobile is like in the trash? And can you be sure that mango and especially apollo will available for your phone?

@smooth3006

Actually in this day and age people like to have phones to: Call, Text, Email, and play some games. Customization is a plus, but most people are happy with just being able to change color scheme and wallpaper.

Minimoose said,

moot*

Think about Apples uniform UI across their OS's, people love that, a main selling point is that you don't have to change anything out of the box. Most people do not want to faff around getting the UI they want, they want a good user experience without any effort.

thanks for the correction grammar nazi!

i think your wrong as the majority of users root & unlock their phones. you would be shocked how many people are obsessive about how their UI looks. out of the box android and most other platforms suck. thank god for the devs.