Xbox 'Durango' XDK leak "confirms" always-online, mandatory HDD installs, required Kinect 2

As we approach a potential announcement for the next Xbox console, codenamed "Durango", more info about what to expect has started to appear. VGLeaks, responsible for some next Xbox-related leaks in the past, has gained access to the Xbox Development Kit (XDK) for the next-generation console, and it may confirm a number of previously rumored features.

First up, the XDK's Hardware Overview states that the console will be "Always On, Always Connected", allowing the unit to update software and games in the background in a different power state, so that everything is always current. It's also likely that Microsoft will use this always online system to prevent game piracy, as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling, as we've previously heard might be the case.

The Durango console will apparently also come with a hard drive large enough to install many games (possibly 500 GB), with game installations to the HDD being mandatory. While playing the game directly from the Blu-ray discs will "not be supported", it looks like you may be able to play the game while it's installing to the hard drive, to stop a gamer's agonizing wait to play their newly purchased game.

Finally there's mention of a next-generation Kinect unit that will be required for using the next Xbox, which will come with HD video support, better depth sensing technology and better low-light vision in a smaller package with a greater field of view. All this information corresponds to what we've previously heard in relation to a new Kinect sensor.

The Verge also has heard that the information from this XDK leak is genuine, however it could be from a version of the software from last year. Considering the age of the information it may have been possible for Microsoft to make some final changes to the next-generation Xbox before it's shown off to the public, which may either happen at E3 2013, or at an event in late April.

Source and image: VGLeaks via: The Verge

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Microsoft is really messing up this year first windows 8 god ugly UI and now this.

The choice is clear to stay far away from anything Microsoft in 2013 .

I'll echo what most sensible people here are saying. This is no more than what your Sky+ or Virgin Media boxes are already doing. Remaining in a low power state for updates and scheduled tasks.

According to other sites this is just an optional mode. I wouldn't be to worried everyone. Although do worry if it is mandatory.

Why? You do know satellite , cable receivers, and bluray player to name a few are always on drawing power even when its "off" why is it bad that the xbox will be now too? It only uses very minimal power though so that some functions can still work.

Mine aren't. When I turn them off, every night, I turn them OFF; at the wall, unplugged. I don't waste electricity; it costs too bleedin' much as it is!

And it will need to power the network card, the cpu, and the harddrive, plus HD controller. That's considerably more than something like a DVD player on standby does.

FloatingFatMan said,
Mine aren't. When I turn them off, every night, I turn them OFF; at the wall, unplugged. I don't waste electricity; it costs too bleedin' much as it is!

And it will need to power the network card, the cpu, and the harddrive, plus HD controller. That's considerably more than something like a DVD player on standby does.

I tried that before because I believed that those devices sucks so much energy, and now I just found out that if you sign-up to an electric provider with a low rate per watt, that is the one that will make the difference. The one that sucks the most at home is the AC unit, and how you use it.

You guys do realize this "Always Connected" refers to the fact the it will be always connected IF a connection is available. It doesn't say anywhere a connection is MANDATORY.

I'm ok with the mandatory install as long as there is plenty of space. But the alway online is a no-go (and I was looking forward to having the same UI on all my devices).

Perhaps Always online isnt as bad as 'no rentals' but it stil feels forced onto gamers. I want it to be my console and my games, I dont want someone deciding how I'm supposed to play them.

My internet connection Always crashes. I don't know what the deal is but every few hours I have to unplug it. I've had plenty of experts look at it with plenty of tips but none of them work. I dont want to risk having that impact my offline games as well. This whole online only things sounds like a massive mistake that will surely mean Sony is going to win and Nintendo could actually survive this generation.

Wow, people! Way to go on rumors.

How many of you here turn off your PC(s) at night? Isn't it just the same as what you are doing now. I bet some of you don't even put your machine to sleep, and it is has a direct connection to your gateway at home.

In addition, if you have a Blu-ray player, and you think that it is always off, think again. The player is still drawing power, so that initiating the player (along with its long read time) will be faster. Now, if the rumor is true that Xbox has a Blu-ray drive, then that IS PROBABLY the reason why it has an Always On feature - along with the rumored feature that Xbox can record television shows. Again these are rumors only, so don't get too carried away.

First of all the leak says nothing about codes and blocking used games. Second it also says nothing about online being REQUIRED only that IF you have the console plugged in and connected to your network it will always be online even when you power it down so that you can still control it via kinect and your downloaded will still be downloading and also auto upgrade when your not using it. Its a convenient feature not a required limitation.

It does however say kinect will be required which is not a problem since it comes with it.

Either the "always connected" DRM of the Kinect requirment alone would prevent me from buying. Both? Forget it! Every time I read an article like this, my decision to move completely away from consoles and back to PC gaming makes more and more sense!

What's this 2013 when everybody plays online! you're crazy MSFT! I want to go back and play isolated games by myself and never be online!

HOW DARE YOU!

Always online does not been that he has to be connected to play games. I could be just like a PC where your always connected by the systems never going completly off. Besides always online and the rumor about watermarked gaming disk would be overkill. Microsoft cant win with Piracy. So making things difficult for people that want to pay for the game is a loss loss situation.

Aside from all the falsehoods presented in the article (Good job Neowin!), I find it interesting that they would require all of the games to be installed... I'm not sure what that really accomplishes...

And back to all the falsehoods, maybe Neowin should read the XBox text again and write the article based on what is actually there...

I don't see why always on-always connected would be a problem. It will have a very good low power mode, it will update in the background when idle (no more waiting to update at game or console opening), it will always have the games ready to play (no more disk swap).

I don't read anywhere that Internet is required, only that Kinect is, and it is included with every console. If Internet is present, it will be used as it's full potential for user ease of use.

As far as game reselling isn't blocked with this system, and this is only a rumor. I doubt MS will do this.

You can tell who didn't actually read the content of the image posted. It says nothing about requiring an internet connection to play games, nor does it mention anything about used games.

It's about the way it's actually being reported though, as seen here with this:

"It's also likely that Microsoft will use this always online system to prevent game piracy, as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling, as we've previously heard might be the case."

more shoddy reporting from everyone.all sites have been exposed for what they really are.

it says right there what always on always connect means.when the console is off its still connected online.if theres a console or game update,it can download and install it. no where does it says you need online to play a game.

vcfan said,
more shoddy reporting from everyone.all sites have been exposed for what they really are.

it says right there what always on always connect means.when the console is off its still connected online.if theres a console or game update,it can download and install it. no where does it says you need online to play a game.

Yeah, well let's hope that is actually the truth.

I will wait for someone to hack this beast and I will buy a modded one. Just to make a point. F* Xbox Live if that's the way MSFT wants to proceed.

LOL look at all the post of idiots running around screaming the SKY IS FALLING.. didn't you guys learn anything in grade school.. How about you stop blindly believing someone else's opinion and wait to the official release. OMG OMG OMG .. LOL you guys need to relax.. Nowhere does it say anything about INTERNET REQUIRED to play games.. nowhere does it say Codes will be needed for games.. if the Verge is your source of the rumour.. well then I wouldn't put to much faith in that then..

> It's also likely that Microsoft will use this always online system to prevent game piracy, as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling, as we've previously heard might be the case.

Why? What is relation between new power state and speculation about new anti-piracy policy?


Do you know about "connected standby" power state in Windows? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-u...dows/hardware/jj248729.aspx Why you think that in case of new Xbox this would be something different?

I see 2 issues with this idea. The first is that Microsoft has never been able to solve the problem of piracy with Windows and Office...how can they prevent this with the new Xbox? The second is the always-online requirement. How does Microsoft handle this when users have a capped monthly bandwidth connection? This connection could eat through their monthly cap very quickly.

I doubt this is actually going to happen.

Requiring an always-on connection does not mean it will transfer large amounts of data.
You have to see this as an anti-piracy measure and some other goodies.

"Always On, Always Connected"
This sounds more like a marketing term.
Misleading story as always from The Verge.

I have one of those Smart power strips. When my TV is off, everything else is, so my console will not be "always on"; I do this to conserve power usage.

The only thing that I don't care for is the requirement for the Kinect... the paranoid person in me makes me concerned from the different patents I've read from different companies where they want to monitor who's in the room for statistics. I'll make sure I have it covered when not in use.

So "always-on, always connected" which has been a marketing term forever (and hey, the Wii does that now) now backs up "online-required"? Sure. -_-

Zedox said,
So "always-on, always connected" which has been a marketing term forever (and hey, the Wii does that now) now backs up "online-required"? Sure. -_-

Go figure, I see no details listed from the "leaks" that say you need to be online to play games. People are misinterpreting the idea here. Always on and always connected is for faster startup and for background automatic updating which solves two issues the 360 has right now.

GP007 said,

Go figure, I see no details listed from the "leaks" that say you need to be online to play games. People are misinterpreting the idea here. Always on and always connected is for faster startup and for background automatic updating which solves two issues the 360 has right now.

Exactly. People need to learn how to read...

Why is everyone bitching about Microsoft... I'm quite sure the publishers required these stuff to be present on the Durango.

Remember what happened when the PS3 got fully hacked? Allot of publishers wanted to back out of the PS3.

Off course they will offer anti-piracy techniques, are you kidding me? Microsoft went through allot of BS too with those hacked 360's in the first 2 years.

Keep in mind, a console that is easily hackable, will have little publisher backing.. and thus will fail.....
So Microsoft trying to find a solution to keep the xbox alive by adding some anti-piracy features... You can't blame them can you?

Piracy is huge and the lost sales are enormous for them.
Maybe not so much in the US, but in Europe/Asia... Piracy is far...FAR... larger then legit purchases.
There was a Dutch research about it not to long ago... 90% of software/games/music people 'have' is pirated. (and its not a statistic I pulled out of my arse).. Figure that piracy is even larger anywhere east of us on the planet.

I fail to see why the publishers get the full frontal attack all the time. They are trying to protect their work (how sh*tty it might be). I never hear anyone about those millions..billions of pirates who just download everything they come across. These are the guys pushing us into the anti-piracy DRM bullsh*t.

It's like Anonymous.. the 'defenders' of the internet... The only thing they did is giving governments reasons to f*ck up our precious Internets.

Edited by ShadowMajestic, Mar 20 2013, 12:45pm :

HighwayGlider said,
Well, we need to wait for some solid info from PS side.
But so far, MS won't be getting my money.

Really? Because the SOLID info from the XBox side said absolutely nothing that was mentioned in the article... LMAO

I don't see the problem with always on, always connected. I'm sure the console won't HAVE TO BE that way all the time. it's clear people love to jump to conclusions. it's like people don't make educated guesses anymore

And I think both of you are kidding yourself thinking "always online" DOESN'T mean DRM. At this point, the direction of the industry is leaning towards it being a form of DRM, but no one knows for sure.

So at very least, my opinion is just as valid as yours. Just my 2 (common) cents. (pun intended)

"Always on, Always connected" could - and most likely - refers to always having an internet connection even while the system is "off." Derp. This could be used for game updates, send to Xbox instant web downloads, receiving messages, and turning on your Xbox remotely over a connection. I'm not saying DRM *wont* happen, but I think you're just trying to convince yourself that the Xbox will be bad.

Shadow 024 said,
"Always on, Always connected" could - and most likely - refers to always having an internet connection even while the system is "off." Derp. This could be used for game updates, send to Xbox instant web downloads, receiving messages, and turning on your Xbox remotely over a connection. I'm not saying DRM *wont* happen, but I think you're just trying to convince yourself that the Xbox will be bad.

Exactly. And if you don't pirate games, you shouldn't care anyway...

It was never mentioned that you need to be online to play games! Stop spreading rumours! "Always-on, always connected" and requiring to be online to play games are two different things!

They are simply saying that even when the console is off, it's still connected to the internet.

PmRd said,
It was never mentioned that you need to be online to play games! Stop spreading rumours! "Always-on, always connected" and requiring to be online to play games are two different things!

They are simply saying that even when the console is off, it's still connected to the internet.

Exactly. Somehow Neowin took some text (Which they were kind enough to share) and turned it into nothing more than a FUD piece...

I'll wait for the official word before I decide if I get the new xbox or not.

I can see always on, always connected for getting updates and such but mandatory hard disk installs is like a step backwards to me being now I have to manage my game console so if I run out of disk space because of all the games and movies on disk I have to decide what I want to keep and if removing games does it remove the game data as well....

If MS wants to make money on game resells, put a QR Code (some other scannable image) in the game box and use Kinect to register the game via the QR Code. Then charge the 3rd party buyer for additional QR Code or have a way for who ever re-sells the game to package a new QR Code.

I like the idea of Always-On Always-Connected because this could mean more interactive and intuitive user-console interface as well as staying up to date. I can't wait to see how Kinect depth view works now... This could be great if done right! As for those who complain about Always-Connected, deal with it, world is changing, you can't have mobile phone without internet and now you complain about having internet on media entertainment device. That doesn't make any sense. This could also mean that multiplayer (in some degree) could be free and that gold/premium wouldn't be required...

Aleksandar Toplek said,
I like the idea of Always-On Always-Connected because this could mean more interactive and intuitive user-console interface as well as staying up to date. I can't wait to see how Kinect depth view works now... This could be great if done right! As for those who complain about Always-Connected, deal with it, world is changing, you can't have mobile phone without internet and now you complain about having internet on media entertainment device. That doesn't make any sense. This could also mean that multiplayer (in some degree) could be free and that gold/premium wouldn't be required...

My other devices function just fine without internet access. I can play games on my phone and desktop regardless of connectivity. The world may be changing, but connectivity is not always the best, especially with bandwidth caps.

It's not like it will download stuff by itself. It will only need it for checking if you own your games and fetching data from social networks. There will also probably be an option for offline mode.

nvllsvm said,

My other devices function just fine without internet access. I can play games on my phone and desktop regardless of connectivity. The world may be changing, but connectivity is not always the best, especially with bandwidth caps.

It does not say that games will not work offline, it just says its an always on and connected device - your phone is designed to be always on and connected - same thing, no one is saying if your connection is down games wont work - that's called assumption based on zero info.

Yup the no used games is the nail in the coffin for me...that's just pure, Unadulterated Greed on Microsoft's part.

It looks like Microsoft is a dying company. The miserable failure of the desktop version of windows 8, coupled with this expensive Brick...spells Doom for them imho. If I was a shareholder, I'd get out now before your share value bottoms out.

I know right, just like they died after the miserable failure of Windows Vista! Hold on a sec...

There's nothing wrong with asking people to pay to use the property you have developed, such as games. The issue here is requiring always-online for validating this which is a highly frustrating feature and just 'assumes' everyone has a perfect internet connection, if you don't, well good luck playing single-player!

Tartan said,
Yup the no used games is the nail in the coffin for me...that's just pure, Unadulterated Greed on Microsoft's part.

It looks like Microsoft is a dying company. The miserable failure of the desktop version of windows 8, coupled with this expensive Brick...spells Doom for them imho. If I was a shareholder, I'd get out now before your share value bottoms out.

And where does it say that? Nowhere... I don't know why reading comprehension is such a lost art anymore... Good grief...

M_Lyons10 said,

And where does it say that? Nowhere... I don't know why reading comprehension is such a lost art anymore... Good grief...

as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling

It's called extrapolation, something some people here are clearly incapable of.

Wow. I didn't think Microsoft would be stupid enough to go with an always-online, DRM laden xbox for the next generation. I am definitely not getting it if I can't play offline or resell games that I have no use for, after fully chieving them.

What a terrible, terrible business decision by Microsoft.

spacer said,
Wow. I didn't think Microsoft would be stupid enough to go with an always-online, DRM laden xbox for the next generation. I am definitely not getting it if I can't play offline or resell games that I have no use for, after fully chieving them.

What a terrible, terrible business decision by Microsoft.

DVR functions maybe?
Remote access maybe?
Silent updating maybe?
Kinect based power up maybe?

There are many reasons and requirements for an always on and connected device other than (the nowhere mentioned) stopping used games or stopping you playing because your internet is down doomsday scenario everyone feels like its correct to assume.

Honestly just read the article again and calm down...

All it has to do, is continue to consistently have the set of exclusives that I actually want to have. Then I'll just keep investing in Sony as always, because I just want to play games.

The Playstation 4 seems like the more obvious choice by the day. I've yet to hear anything positive about the next Xbox... I haven't had my 360 connected since Red Dead Redemption but still use the PS3, so I guess that says something about my preferences, too.

Jub Fequois said,
The Playstation 4 seems like the more obvious choice by the day. I've yet to hear anything positive about the next Xbox... I haven't had my 360 connected since Red Dead Redemption but still use the PS3, so I guess that says something about my preferences, too.

All of the negative RUMORS have been for the PS4 as well...

M_Lyons10 said,
All of the negative RUMORS have been for the PS4 as well...

Many of those have been dismissed, such as the restriction of used games and such. Sony is doing well to listen to the people this time, I would think. Microsoft is known for listening to people too, but I don't find them nearly as generous as a company, and for that reason, I'm more skeptical with them.

Yes basing your purchasing opinion based on a rumor is the smartest thing to do.. good luck with that..
Nowhere in the text does it say anything about used game codes or INTERNET connection required.. the always on feature is based on the SYSTEM have two power states.. on and low power mode.. so that you can still interact with the box.
E.G. what good are voice commands if you can't wake the system with a voice command.

R3DL1N3 said,
Yes basing your purchasing opinion based on a rumor is the smartest thing to do.. good luck with that..
Nowhere in the text does it say anything about used game codes or INTERNET connection required.. the always on feature is based on the SYSTEM have two power states.. on and low power mode.. so that you can still interact with the box.
E.G. what good are voice commands if you can't wake the system with a voice command.

Exactly. How ban both Neowin AND the readers have such reading comprehension problems? This article is a joke.

R3DL1N3 said,
...Nowhere in the text does it say anything about used game codes or INTERNET connection required...

It says "Always On, Always Connected" and also says "will always maintain a network connection". This implies that it will be connected to Live at all times. Used games are still a wait and see.

RangerLG said,

It says "Always On, Always Connected" and also says "will always maintain a network connection". This implies that it will be connected to Live at all times. Used games are still a wait and see.

All that means is that the unit will always be in some form of powered on state and that the internet connection it has will always be active. It does not mention anything about how this is required to play games.

The most logical conclusion I can assume (as we're all assuming to some degree), is that this will be used for background updates, silent system updates, remote access to the unit (say your on your phone, see a game, buy it and then your xbox back at home starts downloading this game, or this could be for the DVR functionality that's rumoured - after all my Virgin+ box is always on and requires a constant internet connection for its functions).

There are many reasons that the always on and always connected can be interpreted, but NOWHERE is it mentioned that to play a game your internet connection has to be active.

meh my current 360 isnt hooked to the net why would i do the same? i dont play multiplayer i dont use live gold hell i only have 3 games 2 of which ive never opneed

DKAngel said,
meh my current 360 isnt hooked to the net why would i do the same? i dont play multiplayer i dont use live gold hell i only have 3 games 2 of which ive never opneed

You only own 1 game that you've played?? I don't think you're their target market I'm sad to say... LMAO

M_Lyons10 said,

You only own 1 game that you've played?? I don't think you're their target market I'm sad to say... LMAO

Hehe, I think Microsoft might have even lost money on this guy with the rebate hardware.

"as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling"
If they do this then they at least need to match the price of PC games. What's the point in having to pay extra and not being able to sell it on?

Sly_Ripper said,
"as well as provide a method for unique, bundled game codes that prevent game reselling"
If they do this then they at least need to match the price of PC games. What's the point in having to pay extra and not being able to sell it on?

I read the text as best I could and did not see any mention of that... so I dont think thats actually part of the leak.

jerzdawg said,

I read the text as best I could and did not see any mention of that... so I dont think thats actually part of the leak.

Exactly. It's just Neowin fueling the fire so to speak...

I predict there will be no limitations on reselling games... Perhaps, you might have to purchase the live content for used games, but that will be all. And if you think about that, it does make sense to do that to begin with. Why not spread the cost of live content rather than burden only new game purchasers with it?

sanke1 said,
There is least piracy on consoles yet they didn't learn anything from Diablo3 and SimCity fiasco?


How smart of them.

And where exactly does it say that you need to be online to play games?

sanke1 said,
There is least piracy on consoles yet they didn't learn anything from Diablo3 and SimCity fiasco?


How smart of them.


Least? Maybe currently, but most people with a PS3 I know, got a 2nd PS3 for the pirated games.
The 360... hahaha... I don't think I knew anyone without a modified 360.

PmRd said,

And where exactly does it say that you need to be online to play games?

Exactly. I am amazed at the conclusions people are able to draw...

Shadowzz said,

Least? Maybe currently, but most people with a PS3 I know, got a 2nd PS3 for the pirated games.
The 360... hahaha... I don't think I knew anyone without a modified 360.

And then there's the Wii, and the handheld Chinese cartridges for the DS as well. Piracy is everywhere really.

Shadowzz said,

Least? Maybe currently, but most people with a PS3 I know, got a 2nd PS3 for the pirated games.
The 360... hahaha... I don't think I knew anyone without a modified 360.

Cory Adams said,
"There is least piracy on consoles"

And your making fun of THEIR intelligence??

You shouldn't take pot shots, your spelling is just as bad. (It's you're BTW)

dead.cell said,

And then there's the Wii, and the handheld Chinese cartridges for the DS as well. Piracy is everywhere really.


Haha, yeah forgot about r4. Only reason the DS was so popular if I looked around
It is everywhere.

margrave said,
This sounds horrible. If that's true I will not be getting the next xbox then.
I was going to buy it as my first console ever (and i'm 26 lol) but this would be a deal breaker.

I really don't think Microsoft is dumb enough to do this, personally. They've surely been monitoring the Internet reaction to the always-online rumor, and it hasn't been an even remotely positive response.

I don't see always-online as a problem if its only purpose is to update software (games/apps) while on standby. Actually, this would be a plus to me, as I don't play much today on the PS3, and whenever I want to play it is installing updates and making me have to wait.

Anthony Tosie said,
I really don't think Microsoft is dumb enough to do this, personally. They've surely been monitoring the Internet reaction to the always-online rumor, and it hasn't been an even remotely positive response.

Because everyone wanted microtransactions, online passes, anything else crappy in the world of videogames. These companies will do whatever is most beneficial to them.

Anthony Tosie said,
I really don't think Microsoft is dumb enough to do this, personally. They've surely been monitoring the Internet reaction to the always-online rumor, and it hasn't been an even remotely positive response.

It's also, I think, been largely incorrect. People are claiming that you won't be able to resell games, but that honestly makes no sense (And I think it's a failure on the part of reporters on tech sites that are propogating missinformation). Instead, I suspect there might be a limitation on live features of games (Requiring you to purchase a code to use these features)... Not a bad idea really as it will share the cost of live services rather than levy it entirely upon people that buy new games...

M_Lyons10 said,

It's also, I think, been largely incorrect. People are claiming that you won't be able to resell games, but that honestly makes no sense (And I think it's a failure on the part of reporters on tech sites that are propogating missinformation). Instead, I suspect there might be a limitation on live features of games (Requiring you to purchase a code to use these features)... Not a bad idea really as it will share the cost of live services rather than levy it entirely upon people that buy new games...

I'm thinking the game codes register the game to your account as an 'on demand' downloadable game. The disc is just there to speed up the wait time, rather then downloading the full 8-10gb or so, you'll copy to the hard disk from DVD/bluray and then patch via the existing internet connection. The disc on it's own might be worthless as it won't be active on your account.
Also, as with the arcade/on demand downloadable games already, I'm guessing once installed to the console, as long as the owner of the games is still has an account on that xbox all other users will be able to play it.

Personally, I only buy pre-owned games or retail that are less then £10. If this is the case that I can't buy for the next gen console that's me out of the xbox for good.
And I know before people say they lose money on the xbox when they make it and expect to recoup some via retail game sales and that buying pre-owned games means they get nothing from me and that the brick store selling pre-owned are making pure profit on the pre-owned titles... but at least I'm not pirating games right.. it's not like if they had retail games within my price bracket, I wouldn't buy them, as I do...

Anyway, as it stands now the price for 'on demand' games on 360 are silly, even for people who're willing to buy retail. Old titles are still priced as if they were just released, where you can get them retail at half or better off the price.

Overall, I think the prices will go up for games in general, as they'll have no competition to stop them with the prices. Right now, pre-owned games brings the retail games prices down.

I probably wouldn't mind too much, as I would prefer to have all my games linked to my account. Except, I know we're going to get shafted.
I bet there won't even be any kind of incentive either, like buy once play anywhere on the account. xbox, windows pc or windows phone. Instead, like now we'll be sill buying the same game, on the same account multiple times.

For some reason when i read this I do not see anything that says a online is REQUIRED it just says the console will always be on even when its off so long as its plugged in does not say anywhere i can find that it is "required" and i seriously doubt they would be that dumb. The always on feature is almost for sure just for kinect anyways so that it can be controlled at anytime by your voice or whatever.

Houtei said,
i seriously doubt they would be that dumb.

Some might point you at Windows 8's lack of start button, or their entire metro ecosystem. People don't want any of that, yet Microsoft forced it up on us. We don't even get a way to turn it off as a feature.

Honestly though, moving forward with the next gen console they're probably edging their bets on a more centralised always on, connected entertainment system. Offline users might not even be on their radar.. and I'm questioning where silver accounts are going to end up and even if gold accounts will be needed or is it simply going to be a subscription based console.. hopefully not.

M_Lyons10 said,

It's also, I think, been largely incorrect. People are claiming that you won't be able to resell games, but that honestly makes no sense (And I think it's a failure on the part of reporters on tech sites that are propogating missinformation). Instead, I suspect there might be a limitation on live features of games (Requiring you to purchase a code to use these features)... Not a bad idea really as it will share the cost of live services rather than levy it entirely upon people that buy new games...


Those have been different reports based on different documents. I don't think that was incorrectly reported -- that was actually what some documents said.

sagum said,

Some might point you at Windows 8's lack of start button, or their entire metro ecosystem. People don't want any of that, yet Microsoft forced it up on us. We don't even get a way to turn it off as a feature.

Honestly though, moving forward with the next gen console they're probably edging their bets on a more centralised always on, connected entertainment system. Offline users might not even be on their radar.. and I'm questioning where silver accounts are going to end up and even if gold accounts will be needed or is it simply going to be a subscription based console.. hopefully not.

I see what your saying though i think the comparison is bad. Changing the start menu just changed how we need to go about getting to our programs it did not actually make people unable to use windows just not want to. Requiring an online connection though would instantly take away a large chunk of potential customers not because they dont like it but because they CANT play because they have no internet.

Houtei said,
I see what your saying though i think the comparison is bad. Changing the start menu just changed how we need to go about getting to our programs it did not actually make people unable to use windows just not want to. Requiring an online connection though would instantly take away a large chunk of potential customers not because they dont like it but because they CANT play because they have no internet.

I guess they'll have an offline activation for games like they have for Windows Activation. You'll put your disc in, and because you're not online, it'll ask you to call MS XBOX Game activation. You'll enter your code into the console, then the console will give you a code to give to the phone and then the phone activates that code for the game and gives you another code to enter into the xbox to allow you to play it. of course you'll get no updates.. and if they go the route of EA and their SimCity, you'll not be able to play the game offline anyway because it requires an internet connection..

Of course, Microsoft might even sell you a USB dongle with GSM modem for the required internet access lol.

Lets hope offline play is still there and it's not as bad as what I can dream up..