Xbox One information round-up

Yesterday was a big day for Microsoft, as they finally unveiled their next-generation gaming (and entertainment) console: the Xbox One. Information was flooding in from all sides during the announcement, including what the console will look like, what hardware is underneath the exterior, what the situation with TV integration is, what gaming will be like, and even the next generation Kinect sensor.

Here's an easy-to-read, dot-point summary of everything revealed about the Xbox One at yesterday's event, including what we still don't know about the new console.

Hardware

  • CPU/GPU: AMD-made eight-core APU
  • Each CPU core is capable of 6 operations per cycle; the GPU is capable of 768 operations per cycle.
  • Cores can be turned off while not in use thanks to power-gating technology.
  • RAM: 8 GB DDR3
  • Storage: 500 GB hard drive, non-removable
  • Optical Drive: Blu-ray
  • Connectivity: (up to) 802.11n Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi Direct
  • Two USB 3.0 ports, one HDMI-in port
  • x86-64 architecture, uses the Windows kernel
  • 4K video output and 7.1 surround sound is supported

Entertainment

  • The Xbox One will integrate with set-top boxes from TV providers through the HDMI in port.
  • Live television will be combined with trending entertainment from friends in the interface.
  • Set-top box integration will only be available in the United States initially.
  • TV will be maximized and minimized to the top corner similar to picture-in-picture.
  • Skype will be integrated into the Xbox One.
  • A Halo television series has been announced, produced by Steven Spielberg and exclusive to the Xbox One.
  • Microsoft has partnered with the NFL to deliver an "all new experience" through the console.

Dashboard & Software

  • Three units make up the Xbox One's operating system: an Xbox OS, a modified Windows OS and a third OS to bridge between the two.
  • Games will be run in the Xbox OS, while entertainment features and apps will run in the Windows OS.
  • Separating the OS into these units allows for developers to code games without having to worry about the other systems.
  • The console will allow app snapping similar to Windows 8, allowing multi-tasking between apps, games and media.
  • The Dashboard will be a simplified version of the current Xbox 360 Dashboard.
  • SmartGlass will allow the Xbox One to connect to second screens such as tablets and smartphones, sometimes using Wi-Fi Direct for direct communication

Gaming

  • Microsoft is still committed to the Xbox as a gaming console despite more TV and entertainment features.
  • 15 Xbox One exclusive games coming within a year of the console's launch, 8 of these to be new franchises.
  • One of these games will be 'Forza Motorsport 5' from Turn 10 Studios, which will be released later this year.
  • Another game will be 'Quantum Break' from Remedy, which is a new IP that "blurs the line between television and gameplay", although no specific launch date was announced.
  • A range of EA Sports games will be available for the console.
  • Other non-exclusive games confirmed for the Xbox One include: Assassin's Creed IV, Battlefield 4, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Destiny, Thief, and Watch Dogs
  • Games will be able to be played as they're downloaded and installed in the background
  • Microsoft are upping the Xbox Live server count to over 300,000 to make multiplayer gaming a smoother experience.
  • You will be able to film video and take screenshots within games ("Magic Moments"), and then share them on social networks.
  • The Xbox One will be able to search for multiplayer playmates in the background while you watch TV or do other things.
  • As the system is not backwards compatible, Xbox 360 games will not work on the Xbox One.
  • Microsoft will "enable customers to trade-in and resell games" although specifics weren't discussed.
  • All Xbox One games will be installed to the console's hard drive.
  • The console will be connected to the cloud wherever possible, but not 'always-online'.
  • Achievements will be expanded for the Xbox One, including cross-game achievements and limited-time Challenges.

Controller

  • The Xbox One's controller is a similar design to the Xbox 360, but with numerous new features.
  • The battery is integrated into the body of the controller, so there's no longer a bump.
  • The controller's directional pad has been overhauled to provide better resistance.
  • Developers will be able to include varying levels of rumble feedback through Impulse Triggers.
  • Xbox 360 controllers will not be compatible with the Xbox One.

New Kinect

  • 1080p camera for improved clarity and accuracy.
  • New microphones that assist much improved voice recognition technology.
  • 2 GB per second throughput that reduces the lag of the sensor.
  • Supports up to six players at once.
  • New time-of-flight depth sensing technology that works in the dark; can sense your heart rate.
  • 60% wider field of view for use in smaller playing spaces.
  • The Kinect will be "always on" so that you can switch on your Xbox One with a voice command ("Xbox on").
  • The new Kinect will be bundled with every Xbox One console.
  • The sensor will be coming to Windows PCs at a later date.

What wasn't revealed

  • The price.
  • The launch date, although the console will launch later this year.
  • Whether the console would launch worldwide simultaneously.
  • What sort of system bundles we might expect for the Xbox One.
  • The remaining 13 exclusive titles for the console (expect these at E3 2013).
  • The exact specifics on used games and whether games will be tied to your Xbox Live profile.
  • How Xbox Live Gold accounts will work with the console, and what apps/features will be available for free.
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personally I think it looks great, dunno what all the negativity is about... guess people like to complain, makes sense too that it's not backward compatible, xbox360 is nearly 10 years old... think it'll be good for pc gaming too..

Of course it will be confused after One = 1 = First generation
When this is a one is a third generation Xbox

The way I see it as an epic failure all ready
1: Fees for used games "Bit me MS".
2: User must connect online every 24 hours.
3: The HDD cannot be changed.
4: Kinect always on even if the console is off (Ops that sound like a Spy Cam to me).
5: Gold membership required for most stuff.
6: Xbox One is Not Backward Compatible with Xbox or Xbox 360 Game.

Thanks God I'm PC User I can do it all
I can play petty much all my old PC Games on a my Modern Computer
1: Run Apps in Compatibility Mode.
2: Find new CD Copy if one is available or a Patched Copy.
3: Find a Ported Version "A source ports like ZDoom and other".
4: Use an Emulator "DOSBox, ScummVM".
5: Download a Fan or Publisher Remake "BlackMesa and min more like it".
6: Contact the Publisher whin and cry for there source codes.

SHS said,
Of course it will be confused after One = 1 = First generation
When this is a one is a third generation Xbox

The way I see it as an epic failure all ready
1: Fees for used games "Bit me MS".
2: User must connect online every 24 hours.
3: The HDD cannot be changed.
4: Kinect always on even if the console is off (Ops that sound like a Spy Cam to me).
5: Gold membership required for most stuff.
6: Xbox One is Not Backward Compatible with Xbox or Xbox 360 Game.

Thanks God I'm PC User I can do it all
I can play petty much all my old PC Games on a my Modern Computer
1: Run Apps in Compatibility Mode.
2: Find new CD Copy if one is available or a Patched Copy.
3: Find a Ported Version "A source ports like ZDoom and other".
4: Use an Emulator "DOSBox, ScummVM".
5: Download a Fan or Publisher Remake "BlackMesa and min more like it".
6: Contact the Publisher whin and cry for there source codes.

Xbox Support said on Twitter, in response to Wired's statement that there would be fees on used games: "No fee, correct - and they just got that information wrong. As soon as we saw, we contacted them to correct it."

Link: https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/statuses/336937800702238722

Can people stop spreading old, wrong information?

Lamp Post said,

Xbox Support said on Twitter, in response to Wired's statement that there would be fees on used games: "No fee, correct - and they just got that information wrong. As soon as we saw, we contacted them to correct it."

Link: https://twitter.com/XboxSupport3/statuses/336937800702238722

Can people stop spreading old, wrong information?

Why is @XboxSupport a verified account, but @XboxSupport3 is not? Did MS post this info anywhere other than twitter?

So am i the only one that thinks backwards gaming should be allowed? Also i honestly do not get how they plan to make the whole borrow a game or buy a pre-owned game thing work?

You mean backwards compatibility? I honestly was not expecting it at all from either console, but I guess Sony at least gives the option with streaming.

Microsoft's answer to that is still non-existent, with the only rumors to go on is an attachment piece sold separately... which, at that point, why buy another attachment if you already have the console? Would seem more fitting for those who don't already have a 360. Even then, it's all speculation without much evidence to go on.

The last time I messed with Xbox was after winning "an original Xbox" at Linux World, I skipped the XBox 360 completely after getting hooked xbox version of Morrowind, then on PC version of morrowind, but I am interested in the Video from the web interface/soft right now cause right now I use a whole 750 watt computer dedicated to driving a signal out the svideo and sound card to a video switch and out via cable to analog tv. Ya know, old school hardware style, you have to push buttons to make switches connect, and bend your neck to see firefox on the second screen, to click the full screen button on whatever video.

If I got to get a digital tv first (sounds like I need it), it's going to delay getting a "one" the plasma tv I have my eye on isn't cheap, I've been a stalwart because I been getting pounded with problems lately, new highlander, sewer replacement, four trees removal, fence replacement, Gutter replacement, painting. I actually just wanted to take a three day vacation, but ya know how life is sometimes.

Edited by pengwyn, May 22 2013, 5:12pm :

As I said, Most people who are expressing negative comments are gamers who had other expectations. This event was called an unveiling which made no mention of games, which gamers assumed otherwise. I think MS made its point. Most people should wait until E3 to make their gaming comments. I think what MS is doing is brilliant so to speak. If they can get the die-hard Halo fans to buy an Xbox One and subscribe to the TV program (only one the xbox) while staying dedicated games, this will attract other types of content on the XBOX ONE. Furthermore, EA is still a powerhouse in the gaming industry and the NFL partnership will somehow integrate with Madden. Do these people who are making these complaints realize that a good percentage of the Halo, Madden, COD players also watch football?
Is this not what smartphones are doing today, by doing more than just making calls? If Nintendo and Sony would have done with their respective handheld devices, we would have seen better products from them and would not be losing the market to smartphones. Again, it's all about execution, content and leverage and MS may be on the right track. Just like cell phones evolved to smartphones gaming consoles are evolving as well and the winner with be the one who recognizes it.

Just my few cents about the Xbox One Reveal:

1. Always On = Stand By Mode, so you can turn X1 via voice and for faster BD loading

2. Kinect, current Kinect has the option to turn off the microphone, and from what I can see, you still have to attach Kinect 2.0 to X1 - giving you the option not to connect it to the console, or jus turn off the microphone.

3. The presentation that MS did yesterday is more along the line of showing what X1 is all about, and it focused on the new features.

Knowing that E3 is around the corner, it means that there will be other details about the X1, and MS can focus more on the gaming side of the console.

4. Remember, Sony stated this whole thing that "we wont show ours before MS", but they couldn't resist scratching the itch, and made people sit on a two hour presentation just to show a controller, and talk about their gaming side of the story.

When MS did reveal their gaming console and its features, suddenly there are people upset about it. However, MS must keep things simple as they need to reveal other things about the console to stay on par with Sony's console reveal.

The only difference here is that Sony has enough time to answer the lingering questions prior to E3, and I will them give them kudos for handling that.

Now let's wait on what these two companies still has to offer.

5. Just because MS did a reveal , it doesn't mean that every logistics, every details, and every agreements has been ironed out. There are other departments within the company that is handling those, and it could take time to polish everything. It is an ongoing scenario in every companies - including Sony. And if they are not ready, you can't talk about it. Plain and simple.

One thing is for sure, I don't envy those people working in the background to get everything done because they're feeling tons of pressure right now just to meet the deadline.

Microsoft messed up real bad with this. Used games are a no go . GameStop stock has fallen big time Sony is going to destroy Xbox one

Thankfully I'm at a point in my life where I will buy items I want and use them and enjoy them and not worry about cheer leading about them on internet forums.

Most Professional team sports forums have less fanboys then typical console discussions.

Gees it's a freaking console their is no need to bash it or defend it like your life depends on it.

If either next gen console fails their will be another one available for purchase, it wont end your life. You can actually buy more than one not buy any of them or wait for either.You aren't born into a console family where you can never move out of.

I started with
Pong 1977
Atari 1979
ColecoVision 1983
NES 1987
Sega Genesis 1990
Sony Playstation 1997
Sony PS2 2000
Xbox 2001
Xbox 360 2005

Their have been a lot of console makers come and go since I've been a gamer, companies in the future will come and go. Get over it stop being so freaking rabid about your devotion to any company with the sole intent to take your money.

Edited by swanlee, May 22 2013, 3:21pm :

swanlee said,
Thankfully I'm at a point in my life where I will buy items I want and use them and enjoy them and not worry about cheer leading about them on internet forums.

Most Professional team sports forums have less fanboys then typical console discussions.

Gees it's a freaking console their is no need to bash it or defend it like your life depends on it.

If either next gen console fails their will be another one available for purchase, it wont end your life. You can actually buy more than one not buy any of them or wait for either.You aren't born into a console family where you can never move out of.

I started with
Pong 1977
Atari 1979
ColecoVision 1983
NES 1987
Sega Genesis 1990
Sony Playstation 1997
Sony PS2 2000
Xbox 2001
Xbox 360 2005

Their have been a lot of console makers come and go since I've been a gamer, companies in the future will come and go. Get over it stop being so freaking rabid about your devotion to any company with the sole intent to take your money.

Wow, I have a big gap in after the 90s because I lost interest in gaming during that time, and I came back with original Xbox. However, 90s and year before that, I had the same consoles that you had.

Is that all I to had them to all way up to Sony PS2 console but thing newer because I was all ready switching over to PC Game because I can do it all one box and do tons more stuff my way not there way hahaha.

It's really hard to imagine, but I don't think Microsoft beat the PS4's reveal (and that's saying something!). The PS4's reveal certainly didn't win, but I would consider it a tie. Microsoft made some SERIOUS misssteps with the XBox One... I'm really amazed by some of the choices they made...

Looks like teh futurez is here. Though... of course, only half the features will work in countries outside the US. Thanks, IP mafia. Also, not having some kind of backwards compatibility mode is a fat minus. I'm not a consolero myself - PC gaming only - but doesn't that mean you're ditching your entire massive user base to start from zero?

"The Kinect will be "always on" so that you can switch on your Xbox One with a voice command ("Xbox on")..”

So it's powered up enough to process voice commands.
And probably always online.

Counting the days before it's discovered that it's being abused for home tapping...

When it's plugged in, it's on. Are you telling me you don't have a reliable enough internet connection that it's not active for a five minute period everyday?

I repeat, it is all about games and not spec or looks of the case.

Example SEGA vs Nintendo, SEGA has more mhz but Nintendo is better in everything else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb73kHBAirU (7:10)

So, what's count is the amount of vertex it could move (polygon, calls and such), the amount of shaders it could handle and the complexity of the shaders, i.e. more stunning graphics with nice fps.

Also, as a sidenote : "Optical Drive: Blu-ray". :-)

' 2 GB per second throughput that reduces the lag of the sensor.'
Wrong, 2Gb/s, you don't measure sensor data in bytes, it's measured in bits.

I'm sorry if I'm missing where it's written, but have they confirmed whether or not there's blu-ray playback? I know a lot of rumors said that wouldn't be a feature & I've not seen anything saying otherwise.

Thanks

It should, i don't think why it couldn't play blu-ray. MS (afaik) owns or has licensed lots of codecs so it is not a real issues.

I know it has a blu-ray drive, but the rumor(s) I was referring to suggested it was just to get the capacity for games, and that film playback may not feature, but I'm sure it's likely & will be confirmed anyway ^^.

Hence the demolition of the PS3 BD monopoly. What nobody (except Microsoft) has seen fit to remember is that BD/media playback is the primary use for most PS3 owners - not gaming. (And that is despite Sony continually throwing it in our faces in their ads, as they have been doing since the PS3 launch.) Why would I buy an XB ONE as opposed to a PS4, or even a PS3 (non-gaming reason)? Simple - the minimalist design. The piano-black finish fits in with the rest of my bedroom A/V gear (including my Tivo Premiere and FP LED Sony BRAVIA). It (as long as it works) won't call attention to itself. It will even replace my standalone DVD player. (It's the same color, and even the same size - even better, it adds no additional wiring, as it slides in-line between my Tivo and my BRAVIA via HDMI. Thanks to the included wireless-N, it connects to my DLNA-compliant router, and thus to the rest of the household network.) It's the anti-clutter console. That can't be said of either XB360+Kinect, OR PS3 - with or without Move.

Cool, thanks DClark for getting that link for me, much appreciated

PGHammer - Probably shouldn't make that comment against the PS4 quite yet...the 'reveal' video has it looking like a nonchalent black slab as well =P

I didn't make that comment against the PS4, but against the PS3. I actually *loathe* the *console as fashion statement*, and have that nasty suspicion that it led to the hardware problems that afflicted the original Xobox and XB360. like a PC, you aren't supposed to mode a console, I want it to not call attention to itself - reliability FTW, please.

Controllers? Not compatible. Games? Not Compatible. Why would you think the Kinect would be compatible? I think it's very safe to assume it isn't compatible.

I guess I'm the only person whose interested in what cloud services they have to offer as they didn't talk much about it, but had an image saying "cloud powered".

Will there be 360 games in cloud? More cloud storage? Cloud game streaming?

"•All Xbox One games will be installed to the console's hard drive."
"•Storage: 500 GB hard drive, non-removable"

500GB??? That will soon fill up if all games are installed to drive. Why not 1TB or even 2TB. Poor foresight there!

Because price. A single platter 500gb is pretty fast; and the fact you can add your own storage whenever you want for whatever price you want.

Youngy said,
"•All Xbox One games will be installed to the console's hard drive."
"•Storage: 500 GB hard drive, non-removable"

500GB??? That will soon fill up if all games are installed to drive. Why not 1TB or even 2TB. Poor foresight there!


Eh not really. Of course it depends on the number of games you have but here's my PC for example:

C Drive (500gb):
Windows
Office + regular bunch of software
ME 1, 2, and 3
Battlefield 3 + all dlc packs
Dead space 1 and 2
Dragon age origins + expansion
Anno 1404 + venice
Anno 2070
Alan wake + expansion
Aoe2: HD
Bioshock infinite
black mesa source
company of heroes 1 + expansions
day of defeat source
deus ex hr + expansion
dungeon defenders
dungeon siege 1, 2, 3
TES 4, 5
fable
gta 4
grid
quake 1 (lol)
stalker (all 3)
red faction + 5.5gb worth of maps
metro 2033
trackmania

And I still have 160gb free. Granted some of these games are old and hence don't take up very much space but some of them do take up 15gb+. If you find yourself running low on storage then delete some games you never play (you still have the disk so you can always install it again should you choose to) or just plug in an external.

cleverclogs said,
Because price. A single platter 500gb is pretty fast; and the fact you can add your own storage whenever you want for whatever price you want.

Price difference between 500GB and 1TB is only c£15 for double the storage. Nobody wants external drives hanging out the back cluttering up your tv stand.

-Razorfold said,

Eh not really. Of course it depends on the number of games you have but here's my PC for example:

C Drive (500gb):
Windows
Office + regular bunch of software
ME 1, 2, and 3
Battlefield 3 + all dlc packs
Dead space 1 and 2
Dragon age origins + expansion
Anno 1404 + venice
Anno 2070
Alan wake + expansion
Aoe2: HD
Bioshock infinite
black mesa source
company of heroes 1 + expansions
day of defeat source
deus ex hr + expansion
dungeon defenders
dungeon siege 1, 2, 3
TES 4, 5
fable
gta 4
grid
quake 1 (lol)
stalker (all 3)
red faction + 5.5gb worth of maps
metro 2033
trackmania

And I still have 160gb free. Granted some of these games are old and hence don't take up very much space but some of them do take up 15gb+. If you find yourself running low on storage then delete some games you never play (you still have the disk so you can always install it again should you choose to) or just plug in an external.

You're comparing games supplied on DVD (up to 9GB capacity) to the XBox One with bluray (up to 50GB capacity) if publishers choose to utilise that space you will only have room for around 8 games + saved content/apps etc.

You're comparing games supplied on DVD (up to 9GB capacity) to the XBox One with bluray (up to 50GB capacity) if publishers choose to utilise that space you will only have room for around 8 games + saved content/apps etc.

That's not 360, that's my PC. And yes publishers can use up 50gb but they could for the ps3 too and barely anyone did. Sure if they start using 4k textures then the size would get used up crazy fast but tbh that's not going to happen.

The best graphical games on PC barely go over 20gb and that's with textures that are better than the ones the xbox ONE will be able to put out.

Another thought Ive had re used games, if the disk is now simply a way to 'get the game to your box' with other methods (direct download once you own it), then the disk is now pretty worthless (just like pc software now, your buying the license and can download usually direct once you have a key, the disk is realistically just a way to walk into a shop and come out with something in your hand, your really buying a license code).

So with that in mind, and the whole 'how they will handle 2nd had games' up in the air, along with a new rumour that 2nd hand will likely cost the same as new, here's an idea....

As we all know games lose appeal as they get older, even on the shelves they decrease in price.
If you buy a game for the xbox one (or ps3), the disks will only be used for installing the game to your system
The game itself will realistically be worth the same whether it is used or new - time will be the decider of the value
If you buy a game on day one at full price but want to sell it 2 months later, you get back the same money (minus a small commission for the service) that the game is selling for brand new - the license simply gets unlinked and someone else gets to buy it - its still a new game to them whether they buy it from store shelf or from used market - it installs and is the same

This way there could be some kind of xbox live ebay system, and you can then use the credits/money in your account to buy other games.

This will cut out the whole having to go to a store to trade and would be very welcome from me,

The fact is we just don't know whats gonna happen! I'm not too fussed myself, I very rarely by pre-owned games! Hopefully MS will clear it all up soon.

The folks that buy pre-owned games do it for one reason, and one reason only - price. Period. (This has been especially true of console gamers as their SKUs practically NEVER decrease in price, while PC SKUs seem to be on perma-sale by comparison, and especially on services like Steam, Origin, and even GreenManGaming.) Console SKUs are also priced higher than PC SKUs (same title/non-exclusive) even when neither is on sale. Used games (especially console games) are the ONLY alternative they have to the BOHICA Effect.

Both PS4 and Xbox One can output 4K, but I highly doubt game developers will be making games 4K. 4K is mostly for tv/video.

Not a massive gamer, but this thing looks pretty decent. If the cable company will support this thing, it will definately be the One thing (pun intended) for most of my TV/Web/Gaming stuff.

Very interested in what more will be revealed at E3.

This Generation should do something wonderful for games, companies managed to create some truly amazing games on such limited hardware, that was some serious optimization. Now that all systems (Minus the Wii U) run the same architecture, imagine how easy porting games will be, optimization can then be done at the end for each platform, instead of a ground-up process.

My own take on this, based on what I've seen and read and what my own common sense/logic has added:

You buy a game (disk), you insert and it installs and links to your live account.
Anyone in the house (on the same xbox one) can use the game so long as your live account is active on the device (I mean you haven't signed in on another device, or maybe you get to set one device as your main device or something)
you take the game to a friends, sign in with your live account (its all cloud powered now so this is easy) and play/install the game
The game works so long as your still active on this (your friends) device (but wont work on your other device in the mean time - although this maybe some kind of time delayed trigger so its not instantaneous)
You go home and sign back into your own xbox, the live system knows this and tells the other guy that the game has been deactivated and they will need to buy it or not play it (because its your game and your obviously not there anymore - you signed back into your own xbox).
You decide you want to sell your game, so there will be some mechanism where you can 'unlink' it from your profile, you take it to a shop and they check it in their xbox one (they put the disk in and it shows up as unlinked)
They give you money as per usual. The new buyer will buy the game from the retailer as usual but may also have to pay additional for online content as is the case right now with some games - or this cost could be built in?
There may also be a way to 'send to a friend' for a payment within the system

That's how I see it working, as MS has to protect against pirating somehow and now you don't need the disk to play they have to do something - but at the same time the diskless playing is a massive benefit to users (disks can stay in the box so wont be damaged, you can just download a la steam, game switching will be fast and trivial).

We will find all this out though at E3, and anything until this point is speculation and conjecture and not worth getting hot under the collar about, we have bags of time to decide what to buy so its just stupid to be all out at this point.

duddit2 said,
My own take on this, based on what I've seen and read and what my own common sense/logic has added:

You buy a game (disk), you insert and it installs and links to your live account.
Anyone in the house (on the same xbox one) can use the game so long as your live account is active on the device (I mean you haven't signed in on another device, or maybe you get to set one device as your main device or something)
you take the game to a friends, sign in with your live account (its all cloud powered now so this is easy) and play/install the game
The game works so long as your still active on this (your friends) device (but wont work on your other device in the mean time - although this maybe some kind of time delayed trigger so its not instantaneous)
You go home and sign back into your own xbox, the live system knows this and tells the other guy that the game has been deactivated and they will need to buy it or not play it (because its your game and your obviously not there anymore - you signed back into your own xbox).
You decide you want to sell your game, so there will be some mechanism where you can 'unlink' it from your profile, you take it to a shop and they check it in their xbox one (they put the disk in and it shows up as unlinked)
They give you money as per usual. The new buyer will buy the game from the retailer as usual but may also have to pay additional for online content as is the case right now with some games - or this cost could be built in?
There may also be a way to 'send to a friend' for a payment within the system

That's how I see it working, as MS has to protect against pirating somehow and now you don't need the disk to play they have to do something - but at the same time the diskless playing is a massive benefit to users (disks can stay in the box so wont be damaged, you can just download a la steam, game switching will be fast and trivial).

We will find all this out though at E3, and anything until this point is speculation and conjecture and not worth getting hot under the collar about, we have bags of time to decide what to buy so its just stupid to be all out at this point.


My friends come over to my house to play games regularly, They both left two games here. So I'll have to log into their account separately to play their game?

Also, they're rumors that once I pay a fee to install it on my account, the game deletes from originals owners account. If all this is true, it's massively bulls***. This would be the ultimate deal breaker.

Seeing at the Xbox One will be running the Windows kernel, I do not quite understand the delay to have a Kinect controller for Windows. It basically already runs on Windows?

They have already said this Kinect peripheral will work out of the box with Windows PCs and developers can start using the SDK (will probably be updated at launch) as soon as its out.

DawnUnder2002 said,
Seeing at the Xbox One will be running the Windows kernel, I do not quite understand the delay to have a Kinect controller for Windows. It basically already runs on Windows?

more importantly, why would 360 controllers not work? Windows already has drivers for them, they could at least support the wired ones. It's not like there are new buttons on the One's controllers.

This looks pretty top notch, will definitely be hard for Sony to match- at least on the software side of things. Looking forward to some more info on the UI and OS features (this Hyper-V stuff has me thirsty for more info) and of course E3 and some new titles being released! As a side note, the presentation was 10x better than Sony, which is a massive plus.

MindTrickz said,
Are you for real? Have you set foot outside of the Microsoft criticism-free area known as Neowin? Everyone is saying that PS4 has the advantage now; and that Microsoft will have have to pull something off something amazing at E3 to take that back.

Angry Joe:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AngryJoeShow?feature=watch

Adam Sessler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXJnndRPQg

Every single one of those videos is based on rumours that are yet to be clarified... Its called jumping the gun and its bringing the Xbox into media spotlight!! No one is saying buy the PS4 because no one knows jack about the PS4. Lets just wait till E3...

I don't so much thing the PS4 has an advantage, but I definitely disagree that their presentation was better.

I think Sony's presentation kicked Microsofts ass, even though I was disappointed by both. I also happen to think that's a massive shame, because while I've traditionally bought Sony's consoles due to the better exclusives & 1st party titles, I do really want to be able to justify having Microsofts console next generation (I have Windows 8 & Windows Phone 8, it just seems to make sense).

However it's all very much up in the air until the E3 presentations where both parties are likely to announce and show off games and launch dates that everyone really cares about. Lets wait and see =)

I like Angry Joe but his video was terrible, all this talk about blocking used games is nonsense. You want to give your friend a game to play, simply download your account to his Xbox and install the game on his Xbox. You don't have to give away your password and best of all, you don't have to give your friend your disk when they want to play it. Both of you could even play at the same time (offline/offline or online/offline). It'll be easier to share games than before, the only downside is that your friend won't get accomplishments.

MindTrickz said,
Are you for real? Have you set foot outside of the Microsoft criticism-free area known as Neowin? Everyone is saying that PS4 has the advantage now; and that Microsoft will have have to pull something off something amazing at E3 to take that back.

I would not say the PS4 has the advantage for now. It's even imo.

But it is ridiculously fun to see the same people who laughed at Sony press conference say this one by MS was any better. I was personally not impressed by both. We will see later this year when gameplay video of almost done exclusive games start showing out.

If you live in US yeah the One may look interesting. But i don't care if MS says the TV features will come to french canada as i don't believe it any seconde. I'll believe it when i see this working with RDS, TVA, V, Z, D, RC, SE and such and i highly, VERY HIGHLY, doubt it will actually happen.

Having an advanced description, rating (imdb, rt) and such of the movie playing on SE would be awesome and defintely a selling point. But it wont happen i'm positive about it. And anyway set top box here sold by cable provider already provide the TV guide and a short description/rating of the content playing. It could be improved (and will over the years) but it is enough.

I'm looking at exclusive games. And so far i've seen nothing to give an advantage to anyone.

Edited by LaP, May 22 2013, 2:22pm :

BinaryDevotee said,
What advantage does Sony have over it? Sorry, I wasn't following PS4.

judging on rumors and what each company disclosed on their presentations, PS4 has a slight hardware advantage. It's an easy to drive conclusion given that MS didn't talk much about hardware other than the improved Kinect specs. If they had something to show, they would have done it.

LaP said,

If you live in US yeah the One may look interesting. But i don't care if MS says the TV features will come to french canada as i don't believe it any seconde. I'll believe it when i see this working with RDS, TVA, V, Z, D, RC, SE and such and i highly, VERY HIGHLY, doubt it will actually happen.

actually, what about the rest of the world? Is there a standard for cable boxes so there's a universal language the One can speak to communicate with them? heck, most places around the world don't even have digital TV/Cable, I heavily doubt the One will have an analog tuner.
It might sound great for US residents, but the software "advantage" is nil in the rest of the world. Or does any European care about NBA/NHL fantasy teams? MS already lost this generation outside of USA.

gonchuki said,

Is there a standard for cable boxes so there's a universal language the One can speak to communicate with them? heck, most places around the world don't even have digital TV/Cable, I heavily doubt the One will have an analog tuner.

Personally i abandoned a long time ago about getting interactive TV content outside of my cable provider set top box. It's simply not working in Quebec, Canada (french canada). I'm 110% positive the XBox One will have the same problem getting content accessible worldwide like anyone else. Specially when i look at how bad Bing Maps is for rural Québec when you compare it to Google Maps.

Here we have Z Télé. It's the french "equivalent" of SyFy (in fact it's crap but that's what we got gonna live with it). Syfy is not offered and part of its content is shown by Z Télé and Spece TV. Why would MS lose time supporting those TV channels? Why MS would lose time supporting Montréal Impact MLS soccer club? Why MS would lose time supporting Montréal Alouette from the CFL? Why would MS lose time supporting the Québec Capitales baseball club from the Can-Am league?

The market is simply not big enough and sadly content from USA wont be acessible because of regional right (ie SE has the regional rights for the french translation of Game of Thrones and Z télé has the regional rights for the french version of some of Syfy content). We will be greeted by the usual "this content is not avalaible in your country bla bla bla you can **** those ***** thank you very much we will still take your money tough please".

Nobody here use the 360 as an entertainment hub. Last time i checked Netflix was still crap here. I'll still stick with my cable provider set top box. It might not be perfect but it actually works. I'll wait E3 before i make a judgement since i'm not part of the Call of Duty 27: Ghost awesomesauce pwn edition number 17 crowd. In fact just hearing CoD these days makes me want to poke myself in the eyes (used to be a big CoD fan on PC back in the days).

Edited by LaP, May 22 2013, 5:51pm :

ingramator said,
This looks pretty top notch, will definitely be hard for Sony to match- at least on the software side of things. Looking forward to some more info on the UI and OS features (this Hyper-V stuff has me thirsty for more info) and of course E3 and some new titles being released! As a side note, the presentation was 10x better than Sony, which is a massive plus.

Wow. Congrats on being the absolute first person I've come across to have anything positive to say about Xbox One reveal. Good Ole Neowin.

I'm pretty sure it's an issue with the providers/content makers there. Why don't you contact your provider and ask them when will they connect to Xbox One, or why they are not.

Quikboy said,
I'm pretty sure it's an issue with the providers/content makers there. Why don't you contact your provider and ask them when will they connect to Xbox One, or why they are not.

And who will be paying the expenses for replacing their boxes with ones compatible with the Xbox One and making all of the features accessible by the voice commands and what not? Easy to say, hard to execute.

You see, Microsoft is not a standards committee, nobody outside of US cares if they invent a new interface for controlling your cable box. Other companies in other countries have their own priorities and agendas, so they are not forced to implement anything, especially if Microsoft is being an ass and not even supporting those countries with their games and consoles (there are simply too many countries where the only way to get an Xbox is either bringing it yourself from USA or paying triple or quadruple of it's price due to not having an official MS store).

Edited by gonchuki, May 23 2013, 1:28pm :

It seems that these companies are already working on introducing boxes with the HDMI technology to do this and will probably have them rolling out as Xbox One starts selling. Where I live, your boxes are paid for through your subscription. Your company may let you switch for a newer model at no extra cost or at a marginal cost and will give your old model to people that don't have a need for Xbox One.

I never said they should or have to do anything for Microsoft. I believe that if these companies want higher customer satisfaction, they'd offer more services to extend their services as much as possible. Xbox One is a way to do that, and based on Mattrick (Xbox division president) claiming they're working with 41 different countries currently on delivering video content experiences, it doesn't seem Microsoft is "being an ass" this time around. Of course we'll see when it comes out, but I doubt MS wants their competitors to get a leg up on them in this front.

I feel like you have a lot of resentment thrown on me because Microsoft apparently has a bad history of support outside USA and some big market nations, but that has nothing to do with my polite suggestions on remedying an issue.

Quikboy said,
Your company may let you switch for a newer model at no extra cost or at a marginal cost and will give your old model to people that don't have a need for Xbox One.

Where I live they usually charge you $150 to $200 (depends on the provider) upfront for switching to an HD cable box (those are the only ones that have HDMI out). That's hardly marginal, and now imagine how much they could charge you to replace said HD box with a new one that's compatible with the Xbox One.

I understand it's a very compelling product for USA, and even for some of those extra 41 countries. The problem is the world has another 160+ countries where all those features will probably never work.