YouTube for Android gets major update; watch video while browsing for others [Update]

While Google has decided to block Microsoft's YouTube app for Windows Phone, the company has moved ahead with a major redesign of its own YouTube app for Android products. The rollout of the update started on Monday for some Android users and should be available from the Google Play download store later today.

CNet reports that the new Android YouTube app debuts a new UI design that looks much like the Google Now interface. More importantly, the new version now allows people to continue to watch a YouTube while also browsing for others. The screenshot above shows that the YouTube video runs in the lower right corner of the screen while a person browses for other clips to watch.

In addition, there's been improvements in browsing and playing video playlists in this new YouTube app. If you own a Google TV television or set top box, a PlayStation 3 console, or the new Chromecast dongle, the YouTube update now allows users to link to those devices to queue up more videos to play remotely for later.

The new UI and features in the Android YouTube app are expected to be included in a update for iOS devices in the near future. Update: The iOS YouTube app update is now available.

Source: CNet | Image via Google

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So many hurt feelings here over the WP issue.

IMO if Microsoft doesn't agree with Google's TOS for Youtube they can talk it with them, negotiate it or just outright go and sue them... anything better than violating the TOS twice and then going with a public bitching from their lawyers.

As things stand, though, I don't see how Google is in any more of an obligation of bringing Youtube to WP than Microsoft is in bringing Office to Linux. Both parties have at the very least released their respective products for the second player in the respective markets: Apple.

ichi said,

As things stand, though, I don't see how Google is in any more of an obligation of bringing Youtube to WP than Microsoft is in bringing Office to Linux.

It's nothing like this. There is no work involved from Google's side. They are blocking access to their API because they want Microsoft to use HTML for their youtube app. Which would lead to high costs and a subpar experience. Microsoft standardized their document format so that software like open office would be able to read and write in the same files. If google owned office they would have given you access to their proprietary format only if you developed your office suite in cobol.

Well, Microsoft's documentation for Office document formats is about as thick as lord of the rings and has references to undocumented features of previous versions.

Google on the other hand requires using a HTML5 API while they can go native themselves.

Not that different.

The difference is that in the case of office document formats Microsoft is using the same format as anyone one else. Google is using a superior technology (native) themselves and forcing everybody else to use an inferior technology (html). Microsoft is reading lord of the rings themselves.

LegendaryRamzi said,
The difference is that in the case of office document formats Microsoft is using the same format as anyone one else.

Considering that implementing the OOXML documentation doesn't guarantee a 100% compatibility with the actual Office documents, I wouldn't think so.

ichi said,
Google on the other hand requires using a HTML5 API while they can go native themselves.

Not that different.


You have clearly no idea of mobile app development. everybody in mobile app development knows that HTML5 is not even close to native code in terms of performance, reliability and ease of use. so I think google's act is a subject to law suit.

S3P€hR said,

You have clearly no idea of mobile app development. everybody in mobile app development knows that HTML5 is not even close to native code in terms of performance, reliability and ease of use.

And everybody in office apps development knows that the OOXML documentation is not close to the actual implementation of Office docs, either.

S3P€hR said,

so I think google's act is a subject to law suit.

Then go and sue, all I'm saying is that deliberately breaking the TOS twice and then publicly bitching about it is not the way to go.

Meh that's a buggy one. Can't use it in landscape orientation. Control panel is just hidden under status bar. Bottom control panel is half part out of screen.

And can anyone explain - how can i get back to video list without having video poping over a screen? I don't need that kind of "multitasking".

And how do we change video quality...?


=============

Google starts disappointing last time. Just throwing incomplete products and forgets about them - Web Play Market, Maps (yet it just preview, but previews usually not far away from final apps), now Youtube...

coth said,
Meh that's a buggy one. Can't use it in landscape orientation. Control panel is just hidden under status bar. Bottom control panel is half part out of screen.

It's working fine here in landscape, even with every menu open:
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/845/g2y4.png

coth said,
And can anyone explain - how can i get back to video list without having video poping over a screen? I don't need that kind of "multitasking".

Video poping over a screen? :-/ I can just drag the video up to to bring it back to fullscreen (if I was in landscape, goes to normal top view on portrait) or drag right to stop and dismiss the video.

PS: ah ok, you mean that it goes to that "multitasking" mode when hitting the back button.

coth said,
And how do we change video quality...?

If you touch the video while it's playing you'll get several options overlaid, one of them being the typical icon for the Android menu on the top right (three vertical dots). Touch that and you'll get options to toggle CC and HD (if available, else they'll be greyed out).

You can't actually select a specific quality though, just that.

coth said,
1. I was talking about player. It's buggy.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get...344.2/0_8b124_d15eba64_orig

2. That shouldn't be that way. Back button should close player completely. Top-left minimize button should switch.

3. I was talking about switching quality for a video, not about changing default setting.

1.It doesn't look like that here. Maybe it's a problem with some non stock UIs?

2.Yes, that would actually make sense. It's one more swipe now to close the video.

3.I haven't been using this new version that much yet, but I took that the quality setting was contextual, not a global default... maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

1. It's indeed non-AOSP UI. But it's not really non-AOSP UI fault that Google incorrectly selected event for calculating position of panels. They had to realize that many non-AOSP UIs forces full screen mode while playing video or image.

2. Not just sense. It would greatly improve usability.

3. OK. I think I know what you mean. I have two menu buttons. One is hidden behind another. On the status bar there is a real software menu button, made for landscape fullscreen mode, as Flyme's navigation smartbar gets hidden in landscape orientation, so as statusbar in fullscreen mode. But you can bring status bar by a swipe from top. It's very handy. System of Flyme's smartbar and statusbar is something that Google should implement into AOSP. Another button actually just look like menu, but it's not - it just bring a screen with CC and HD switchers.

1. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not Google's fault. Maybe they could use some bug reports on that issue.
On AOSP you also automatically get fullscreen video when going landscape but you don't have any kind of top or bottom bar getting cut out of the screen, all the menus and controls are overlaid and everything else just disappears.

This was a nice update. Seems like a bigger deal on IOS than on Android though. On android while I don't think you could do this within the YouTube app, you could watch a video and do something else at the same time. It makes sense on those larger phones though, don't see how much it would be useful on the smaller iPhone screen.

Just updated my iPhone, works great. Good update!

Just updated my YT app, and feel kinda weird, I mean, I just saw a tweak on cydia doing something similar (This tweak allows to watch videos while you do other task, even outside the youtube app), and now is in the official App. Also the app introduccion looks a lot like iOS7.

Somehow feels like when iOS7 arrives there will be no need for common users like me to jailbreak. Because most of the options/tweaks/goodies will be integrated into the OS. Which is a bad thing for the jailbreak community.

I sincerely think the HTML5 requirement is Google's trojan horse to get VP8/9 codec support onto the Windows platform so they have a better chance to get it into the HTML5 standard, as h.264 is still more widely used and makes a better chance.
VP9 would save Google quite a bit on money on royalties and bandwidth on Youtube and it might actually be worth the risk of getting slapped down for their behavior to also get their videoconferencing working on any browser on the Windows platform.

PeterF said,
I sincerely think the HTML5 requirement is Google's trojan horse to get VP8/9 codec support onto the Windows platform so they have a better chance to get it into the HTML5 standard, as h.264 is still more widely used and makes a better chance.
VP9 would save Google quite a bit on money on royalties and bandwidth on Youtube and it might actually be worth the risk of getting slapped down for their behavior to also get their videoconferencing working on any browser on the Windows platform.

This may be one of the reasons, but I wouldn't rule out simple pettiness and immaturity on Google's part. Remember that this is a company that bid $3.14159 billion on Nortel's patents to try to be cute. Having lost out on those patents, they ended up overpaying for Motorola. You'd think they would have learned by now.

Please not their interpretation of h.264 on WP8, its always been bad on resource usage on my Windows 8 machine already, let alone on my 10times+ weaker 920.

Why would Google need to use HTML5?
They enforce html5 for adverts, they are not obligated to supply ads for their own service.

That said they do supply ads via their own code in their own app.

If Windows Phone was significant Google would write an app like it does for iOS that includes ads.
Until Windows Phone is an insignificant OS it falls under the same rules as all other 3rd party "self help" OS that must use HTML5 to ensure Google can control ad supply correctly.

Simple eh?

bits said,
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Until Windows Phone is an insignificant OS it falls under the same rules as all other 3rd party "self help" OS that must use HTML5 to ensure Google can control ad supply correctly.

Exactly...someone who gets it.

bits said,

That said they do supply ads via their own code in their own app.

They have a service to supply ads to their native Android and IOS apps.
Why is it not good enough when Microsoft uses the exact same service for WP7?
Google doesn't have to write any apps because Microsoft already did that for them.

bits said,
They enforce html5 for adverts, they are not obligated to supply ads for their own service.

Yes, they are obligated. The videos on YouTube are not owned by Google. They are obligated to show ads so that the content owners can generate revenue.

bits said,
Why would Google need to use HTML5?
They enforce html5 for adverts, they are not obligated to supply ads for their own service.

That said they do supply ads via their own code in their own app.

If Windows Phone was significant Google would write an app like it does for iOS that includes ads.
Until Windows Phone is an insignificant OS it falls under the same rules as all other 3rd party "self help" OS that must use HTML5 to ensure Google can control ad supply correctly.

Simple eh?

Of course WP isn't an insignificant OS anymore, and more to the point, this will raise questions about mis-use of Youtube as a market dominant video service. You know precisely the practices Microsoft was convicted off 14 years ago, that same conviction that we keep hearing about every single day since...

"More importantly, the new version now allows people to continue to watch a YouTube while also browsing for others."

Can I do this on the desktop version yet?

lunamonkey said,
"More importantly, the new version now allows people to continue to watch a YouTube while also browsing for others."

Can I do this on the desktop version yet?


google wants you to use android not your PC. and yet android fans call apple fans iSheep/

S3P€hR said,

google wants you to use android not your PC. and yet android fans call apple fans iSheep/

Shoot, hey, at least us "iSheep" can keep everything synced and updated between 3 types of devices easily.

S3P€hR said,

google wants you to use android not your PC. and yet android fans call apple fans iSheep/

You don't have to be an Android fan to make fun of Apple fans. They are just joining the bandwagon really.

NastySasquatch said,

You don't have to be an Android fan to make fun of Apple fans. They are just joining the bandwagon really.


I didn't want to make fun of apple fans. I am just telling what android fans think. they think android is the best OS ever made in universe but the fact is exactly the opposite. iOS is much more stable than android. says every one.

Mr.XXIV said,

Shoot, hey, at least us "iSheep" can keep everything synced and updated between 3 types of devices easily.


hey I didn't say iSheep, I was just saying android fans call apple fans iSheep

S3P€hR said,

I didn't want to make fun of apple fans. I am just telling what android fans think. they think android is the best OS ever made in universe but the fact is exactly the opposite. iOS is much more stable than android. says every one.

Similar argument why OSX or Linux was always "much more stable than Windows"...
Cause it supported a bucket load less hardware.
The wider the range of supported hardware, the harder it is to get everything nice and stable. And Android isn't old enough to provide all-round stableness similar to Windows today. But Android is getting there.

S3P€hR said,

hey I didn't say iSheep, I was just saying android fans call apple fans iSheep

Actually, I was agreeing with you

lunamonkey said,
"More importantly, the new version now allows people to continue to watch a YouTube while also browsing for others."

Can I do this on the desktop version yet?

Not sure if serious, but well, yes: use different tabs or browser windows.

The whole point is that (at least on stock) you can't see two different apps or browser windows at once on Android and iOS. I would have thought that much was obvious.

ichi said,

Not sure if serious, but well, yes: use different tabs or browser windows.

The whole point is that (at least on stock) you can't see two different apps or browser windows at once on Android and iOS. I would have thought that much was obvious.

Yes, serious. That doesn't solve the problem. You may as well say, yes, get a second PC.

lunamonkey said,

Yes, serious. That doesn't solve the problem. You may as well say, yes, get a second PC.

OK, it's not as comfortable as with the mobile app, but it can be done without much problem while it was outright imposible on your smartphone.

I guess they'll likely add the functionality to the web player at some point.

ilovetech said,
but is it coded in HTML5?

Yea right? I wonder how anti-trust law only applies to Microsoft. all version of android must prompt a ballot to let user choose the browse not chrome browser by default.

S3P€hR said,

Yea right? I wonder how anti-trust law only applies to Microsoft. all version of android must prompt a ballot to let user choose the browse not chrome browser by default.

as android grows larger I am sure some of the bitterness against MS will move to Google and it will be at back foot.

All 3rd party YouTube apps are coded in HTML5. Ones for all smart TVs, Blackberry, PlayStation, and blue-ray players as required by Google. Google writes the app for iOS and Android so they use native code. Not sure why there is a requirement for 3rd parties to use HTML5.

Anyway, it is not HTML5. Google writes all their apps using native code.

Luke Baldwin said,
i asked @Googleapps @google @GoogleDevelopers and @Youtube the same question ill reply hopefully with an answer

according to Google BS, On other platform native code will give inferior experience than HTML5 while on android native is the way to go. Why do you not practice what you preach?

ilovetech said,

as android grows larger I am sure some of the bitterness against MS will move to Google and it will be at back foot.

you know whats the worst? Microsoft was honest coming up with propriety software and I am sure they did many bad things but google is a wolf in sheeps clothing. the came up with open software title but they also reserved the right for themselves in android that in the future they can run monopoly in mobile software so they are not really open. This is why they have problems with samsung because technically android is samsung now.

Was it ever said from Google that this was the violation, or is suddenly Microsoft trustworthy enough to treat their word as gospel?

I will gladly stand corrected if Google responded as to why. Otherwise, I will take Microsoft's word at face value, which isn't worth much.

adrynalyne said,
Was it ever said from Google that this was the violation, or is suddenly Microsoft trustworthy enough to treat their word as gospel?

I will gladly stand corrected if Google responded as to why. Otherwise, I will take Microsoft's word at face value, which isn't worth much.

One of the reasons why the app was blocked for MS was because of HTML5...something all other 3rd parties comply with except for MS. And Google wasnt sure the correct ads were being displayed. Right now, its a finger pointing game really.

S3P€hR said,
Yea right? I wonder how anti-trust law only applies to Microsoft. all version of android must prompt a ballot to let user choose the browse not chrome browser by default.

Microsoft, having abused its dominant position in the market place, was found by the EC to have broken the law and the punishment, in order to avoid a fine, was to implement a browser ballot. Apple faced something similar relating to eBooks pricing and was forced to alter its business practices for two years, while Google is currently negotiating with the EC because of its anti-competitive business practices.

What you fail to comprehend is that the browser ballot was a PUNISHMENT, which is why it doesn't apply to other companies.

adrynalyne said,
Was it ever said from Google that this was the violation, or is suddenly Microsoft trustworthy enough to treat their word as gospel?

I will gladly stand corrected if Google responded as to why. Otherwise, I will take Microsoft's word at face value, which isn't worth much.

No body is treating Ms words as gospel. Would be happy to hear Google side if any other than HTML5 BS?

techbeck said,

One of the reasons why the app was blocked for MS was because of HTML5...something all other 3rd parties comply with except for MS. And Google wasnt sure the correct ads were being displayed. Right now, its a finger pointing game really.


The finger is only pointing to Microsoft. They knew what they were doing by violating the TOS. It's a political move to garner support for them at the cost of making Google seem like the bad guy.

ilovetech said,
Would be happy to hear Google side if any other than HTML5 BS?

Why is it BS? Why do all others use HTML5? What makes MS special?

AWilliams87 said,

The finger is only pointing to Microsoft. They knew what they were doing by violating the TOS. It's a political move to garner support for them at the cost of making Google seem like the bad guy.

HTML5 requirement TOS is just "made up" thing to slow windows phone. You own the service so you can put any stupid restrictions to stop other platforms? Facebook has already burned their hands with HTML5 and any developer can tell that app coded in HTML5 will be relatively bad compared to native.

ilovetech said,

HTML5 requirement TOS is just "made up" thing to slow windows phone. You own the service so you can put any stupid restrictions to stop other platforms? Facebook has already burned their hands with HTML5 and any developer can tell that app coded in HTML5 will be relatively bad compared to native.

It's been a requirement for every 3rd party app, not just those on Windows Phone dude.

Max Norris said,

Because they're forced to.

Just like any other TOS people are forced to follow. I am not saying it is right or I agree with it, but MS has their own TOS and people are forced to follow those as well.

techbeck said,

Why is it BS? Why do all others use HTML5? What makes MS special?

Have you used those other HTML5 apps? They are ****ty, at best. Also, are the 3rd parties really coded by said third parties? The YouTube app on the PS3 and the Wii U are IDENTICAL aside from the metadata that shows up on the Wii U's gamepad (you can't even view the videos on the gamepad, itself). It's also very similar on my LG Smart TV. Holding MS to making an HTML5 app is ensuring that the YouTube experience on Windows Phone will also be ****ty, at best, if the other apps are anything to go by.

techbeck said,
Just like any other TOS people are forced to follow. I am not saying it is right or I agree with it, but MS has their own TOS and people are forced to follow those as well.

Indeed it's not right. They should just come up with a proper API and not shoehorn developers into using one single platform, especially on devices that Google doesn't even produce and without at least giving a real reason aside from "just because it's in the TOS". Microsoft indeed has terms of service for their products but you're still free to choose how you develop. Just promotes hostility with no real benefit, and quite possibly a sub-par user experience if the device in question is better off using a different system than HTML5.

AWilliams87 said,

It's been a requirement for every 3rd party app, not just those on Windows Phone dude.

Google: WP is very tiny market so we do not bother about them.
MS: Fine, we will make a app for our users.
Google: Oh no, our revenues are getting impacted (from tiny market we do not bother) as you haven't included ads.
MS: Ok, we will include ads and release the updated app.
Google: Oh no, now your OS has limited HTML5 controls and native app is not providing better experience than HTML5 would. Mind you at android we will use native as it gives better experience than HTML5.
Shifting goal posts are we?
Why don't Google go ahead and just make the app on its own then? No WP is very tiny market The requirement itself is stupid, everyone knows that you can't make a app in HTML5 with same experience as of native. The requirement just impacts the growth of other platforms.

ilovetech said,
No body is treating Ms words as gospel. Would be happy to hear Google side if any other than HTML5 BS?

Edited, misunderstood.

NeoTrunks said,

Have you used those other HTML5 apps? They are ****ty, at best. Also, are the 3rd parties really coded by said third parties? The YouTube app on the PS3 and the Wii U are IDENTICAL aside from the metadata that shows up on the Wii U's gamepad (you can't even view the videos on the gamepad, itself). It's also very similar on my LG Smart TV. Holding MS to making an HTML5 app is ensuring that the YouTube experience on Windows Phone will also be ****ty, at best, if the other apps are anything to go by.

Dont have to like or agree with the TOS of any company. Many I do not like or agree with. But if you dont follow the TOS, then crap like this will happen. Sucks, but just how it is.

NeoTrunks said,

Have you used those other HTML5 apps? They are ****ty, at best. Also, are the 3rd parties really coded by said third parties? The YouTube app on the PS3 and the Wii U are IDENTICAL aside from the metadata that shows up on the Wii U's gamepad (you can't even view the videos on the gamepad, itself). It's also very similar on my LG Smart TV. Holding MS to making an HTML5 app is ensuring that the YouTube experience on Windows Phone will also be ****ty, at best, if the other apps are anything to go by.


This TOS has been this way for some time. And yes, the Xbox youtube app is written by Microsoft, with input from Google, and that too, at some point, also didn't show ads until an update which took place a few months ago. - EDIT: 9 days from now, it will have been a year since update.

ilovetech said,
but is it coded in HTML5?

Thanks for the great comment.

Personally if Google brought out Chrome, Chromecast, YouTube for WP I would move from Android for sure.

techbeck said,

Why is it BS? Why do all others use HTML5?

They don't. Third-party Android developers don't and neither do many third-party iOS developers. They use the same workaround that Microsoft used except their apps don't show ads like Microsoft's app does.

TMYW said,

They don't. Third-party Android developers don't and neither do many third-party iOS developers. They use the same workaround that Microsoft used except their apps don't show ads like Microsoft's app does.

This is true as well. MetroTube on Windows 8 and WP come to mind. ProTube on iOS as well as YouTube RT are all great apps that are not on this HTML5 crutch. I don't think that anyone can deny that Google is being selective in what parties they choose to slam with the ban hammer.

TMYW said,

They don't. Third-party Android developers don't and neither do many third-party iOS developers. They use the same workaround that Microsoft used except their apps don't show ads like Microsoft's app does.

Unless something has changed in the last year, Metrotube was written using HTML5. I also do not have time to check the other many 3rd party apps out there.

Google and MS were working on an HTML5 app. It was taking so long that MS reversed engineered Google's API and then released an app with Google's knowledge. The app was no providing the correct ads, was not written in HTML5, and the app was blocked. MS poked the bear and the bear poked back.

If people would take out their emotion and complete hate towards one company or the other, they would see both sides acting like kids and need to be swatted.

Edited by techbeck, Aug 20 2013, 3:55pm :

techbeck said,

Unless something has changed in the last year, Metrotube was written using HTML5. I also do not have time to check the other many 3rd party apps out there.

Google and MS were working on an HTML5 app. It was taking so long that MS reversed engineered Google's API and then released an app with Google's knowledge. The app was no providing the correct ads, was not written in HTML5, and the app was blocked. MS poked the bear and the bear poked back.

If people would take out their emotion and complete hate towards one company or the other, they would see both sides acting like kids and need to be swatted.

It's not simply people acting on emotions. Google has been screwing with MS users for some time now. From the lack of apps, to the sabotaging of working apps, to blocking Google Maps for a small bit of time, and now even disrupting YouTube's own website on Windows Phone (see here: http://wmpoweruser.com/youtube...-coming-from-windows-phone/), people have just had enough.

techbeck said,

One of the reasons why the app was blocked for MS was because of HTML5...something all other 3rd parties comply with except for MS. And Google wasnt sure the correct ads were being displayed. Right now, its a finger pointing game really.

I very much doubt all third party youtube apps are HTML5 apps. And I know for certain there are plenty of youtube apps that violate Google's TOS. Even metrotube, one of the most used youtube apps on WP do not show adds, there are several similar apps on IOS that do the same.

Of course when Microsoft violated the TOS by not including adds and allowing video downloads, Microsoft and Google would "resolve" the issues. Once Microsoft did show adds and disallowed video downloads, Google moved the goalposts and suddenly required the app to be coded in HTML5.

NeoTrunks said,

Are you using Windows Phone?

I personally, no. But I know a few people I work with that I asked. They dont have a problem.

techbeck said,

I personally, no. But I know a few people I work with that I asked. They dont have a problem.

They must be the lucky ones. The people that I work with that use Windows Phone (I know 3 others, personally) and the Windows Phone community at large, are not so lucky.

ilovetech said,

Google: WP is very tiny market so we do not bother about them.
MS: Fine, we will make a app for our users.
Google: Oh no, our revenues are getting impacted (from tiny market we do not bother) as you haven't included ads.
MS: Ok, we will include ads and release the updated app.
Google: Oh no, now your OS has limited HTML5 controls and native app is not providing better experience than HTML5 would. Mind you at android we will use native as it gives better experience than HTML5.
Shifting goal posts are we?
Why don't Google go ahead and just make the app on its own then? No WP is very tiny market The requirement itself is stupid, everyone knows that you can't make a app in HTML5 with same experience as of native. The requirement just impacts the growth of other platforms.

This

techbeck said,

One of the reasons why the app was blocked for MS was because of HTML5...something all other 3rd parties comply with except for MS. And Google wasnt sure the correct ads were being displayed. Right now, its a finger pointing game really.


Wut, Sony didn't make the Youtube apps for PS3/Vita in HTML5, its native.
Microsoft is being singled-out here, stop defending your al-mighty Google for once, geesh.

NeoTrunks said,

This is true as well. MetroTube on Windows 8 and WP come to mind. ProTube on iOS as well as YouTube RT are all great apps that are not on this HTML5 crutch. I don't think that anyone can deny that Google is being selective in what parties they choose to slam with the ban hammer.


That's incredibly untrue. All third party apps are written in HTML5. All of them; even those written on blackberry and WebOS. You shouldn't really say things which you're not sure of because others, who are unsure themselves, may start believing you. Unless of course, that is what you want.

AWilliams87 said,

That's incredibly untrue. All third party apps are written in HTML5. All of them; even those written on blackberry and WebOS. You shouldn't really say things which you're not sure of because others, who are unsure themselves, may start believing you. Unless of course, that is what you want.

They are native apps that have to be updated from time to time when YouTube makes a change to break the applications. Have you even used the apps that I mentioned? They even allow downloading of videos and have no ads at all.

Edited by NeoTrunks, Aug 20 2013, 4:17pm :

techbeck said,

Unless something has changed in the last year, Metrotube was written using HTML5. I also do not have time to check the other many 3rd party apps out there.

Google and MS were working on an HTML5 app. It was taking so long that MS reversed engineered Google's API and then released an app with Google's knowledge. The app was no providing the correct ads, was not written in HTML5, and the app was blocked. MS poked the bear and the bear poked back.

If people would take out their emotion and complete hate towards one company or the other, they would see both sides acting like kids and need to be swatted.


I disagree. I don't see how Google is "acting like [a] kid." Microsoft is simply engaging in a surreptitious smear attack, similar to the "Scroggle" campanige. Google simply enforced their TOS. Nothing kiddish about that.

NeoTrunks said,

They are native apps that have to be updated from time to time when YouTube makes a change to break the applications. Have you used the apps that I mentioned? They even allow downloading of videos and have no ads at all.


It seems you don't quite understand. To be clear, by html5 app, we mean they have to use Google's html5 API. What this means is that the bulk of the app has to be written in html5, but could also be wrapped in native code, so to speak. But it is Google's TOS for it to be html5.

AWilliams87 said,

It seems you don't quite understand. To be clear, by html5 app, we mean they have to use Google's html5 API. What this means is that the bulk of the app has to be written in html5, but could also be wrapped in native code, so to speak. But it is Google's TOS for it to be html5.

Wouldn't the apps in question get ads in the videos then?

S3P€hR said,

so you mean only google is allowed to use native code not anybody else?

Where have you been? This has been stated. Apps made by Google are not subject to the same terms and conditions. Apps made by Google, Google has the power to change them to make sure they comply with their TOS and deliver content correctly. This is why 3rd party apps are required to use HTML5, so Google can make changes to the back end without having to consult MS or others. Native apps written by others give those companies the power to change whatever they want, block ads, or enable the ability to download videos....like what MS original app allowed.

not sure why/if other 3rd parties are not using HTML5 and why Google doesnt have a problem. Probably the same reason why Apple didnt go after every OEM copying their designs. (there were many). They probably go after the ones who stand to make the most profit and hurt them the most. Of course, that is my opinion.

AWilliams87 said,

It seems you don't quite understand. To be clear, by html5 app, we mean they have to use Google's html5 API. What this means is that the bulk of the app has to be written in html5, but could also be wrapped in native code, so to speak. But it is Google's TOS for it to be html5.

why do the apps break when youtube changes something in metrotube and others?
why do these apps not show any ads? (and still google doesn't say a word)
how do these apps allow downloads?
Clearly you are misunderstood, these are native apps

techbeck said,

Where have you been? This has been stated. Apps made by Google are not subject to the same terms and conditions. Apps made by Google, Google has the power to change them to make sure they comply with their TOS and deliver content correctly. This is why 3rd party apps are required to use HTML5, so Google can make changes to the back end without having to consult MS or others. Native apps written by others give those companies the power to change whatever they want, block ads, or enable the ability to download videos....like what MS original app allowed.

not sure why/if other 3rd parties are not using HTML5 and why Google doesnt have a problem. Probably the same reason why Apple didnt go after every OEM copying their designs. (there were many). They probably go after the ones who stand to make the most profit and hurt them the most. Of course, that is my opinion.


Stop defending Google, other 3rd party apps are not HTML5 either but do NOT receive the treatment MS is getting from Google.
They are the biggest marketshare, so they should play ball. It's just out of spite or something for WP8.

Shadowzz said,

Stop defending Google, other 3rd party apps are not HTML5 either but do NOT receive the treatment MS is getting from Google.
They are the biggest marketshare, so they should play ball. It's just out of spite or something for WP8.

How is what you quoted me defending Google? I stated the facts and what each company is bitching about. And giving my opinion. I also said I was not agreeing with what was going on earlier. And it does take 2 to fight here and MS is not all rainbows and unicorns either. They knew their app wasnt approved (regardless if Google is right or wrong) and they published it anyway knowing full well what would happen.

Most here have so much emotion in this (and yes, expressing anger towards something is emotion) and they can only see one side. And like I said countless times before, both companies are behaving like kids and its not good for the users. MS and Google both stated they are working together and now its apprarent that neither of them want to do so. Which I have always stated.

Edited by techbeck, Aug 20 2013, 6:46pm :

That's not stating facts, you're making them up on the spot dude.
Most examples you give don't have an HTML app, they support the HTML version of encoding... h.264

Shadowzz said,
That's not stating facts, you're making them up on the spot dude.
Most examples you give don't have an HTML app, they support the HTML version of encoding... h.264

What Google's problem is that they require 3rd party apps to be written in HTML5. That is fact and most apps are (someone pointed out that there were some using native and i DID NOT argue that...thus admitting I was wrong in that instance.) Whether or not they enforce this on every app is something I dont understand and again, was giving my opinion as to why. Metrotube a year ago was using HTML5 unless something has changed.

Anything else is fact (given the info known) as to why MS is wining an what Google is pushing back. Whether or not either them are blowing smoke has not been proven by either side.

And again, it is both their fault. They are both acting like kids but it is funny how some like to slam one while ignoring the others faults. tell me I am defending Google all you want as well. They both are idiots and not doing anything to help the users when they both stated they were working together. I am just not blind to think it is all Google's fault.

Edited by techbeck, Aug 20 2013, 7:09pm :

Yeah supporting HTML, what most do is wrap the Youtube site (like your metrotube example) and like greasemonkey customize it so. That's not really HTML5, that's just making an app out of a website,
In this case, I'm with MS, just as a WP user there has not been an official youtube app (or any Google app for that matter) available.
That MS took it upon themselves to start making it, yeah, can understand that, just like they're doing with Facebook and other apps (Nokia does this too with some apps).
But all in all I don't like the games being played here, it's like we haven't learned anything. MS is playing the high horse gentleman game in this matter, but they have no issues pulling off the same stuff and now are just pointing fingers.

Shadowzz said,
Yeah supporting HTML, what most do is wrap the Youtube site (like your metrotube example) and like greasemonkey customize it so. That's not really HTML5, that's just making an app out of a website,
In this case, I'm with MS, just as a WP user there has not been an official youtube app (or any Google app for that matter) available.
That MS took it upon themselves to start making it, yeah, can understand that, just like they're doing with Facebook and other apps (Nokia does this too with some apps).
But all in all I don't like the games being played here, it's like we haven't learned anything. MS is playing the high horse gentleman game in this matter, but they have no issues pulling off the same stuff and now are just pointing fingers.

Google has no obligation whatsoever to develop for any platform, especially if it only makes up 3.7% of the market; Just like there was no such attempt on WebOS or Blackberry. WP8 could of had an official Youtube app right now, like those that exist on the other two platforms previously mentioned, if only Microsoft followed the TOS like any normal developer. They choose to sacrifice that for something greater: a political/marketing scheme which paints them as an innocent party being dominated by the evil Googlers, and it worked.

This is the same Steven Ballmer's Microsoft up to the same old tactics. These are the exact reasons why Mark Penn was brought in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12...brawler-mark-penn.html?_r=0

AWilliams87 said,

That's incredibly untrue. All third party apps are written in HTML5. All of them; even those written on blackberry and WebOS. You shouldn't really say things which you're not sure of because others, who are unsure themselves, may start believing you. Unless of course, that is what you want.

First, there's a special native API for Android apps, so no third-party Android developer in his right mind would use any other API.

Second, the API in question is called the IFRAME API, and you can make requests to it with a simple HTTP client, parse the returned HTML, and use the video source URL to play in the native media player of the platform of your choice. There's no need to put a clunky-ass HTML viewer control on your app and give Google free reign to render whatever the eff it wants inside your app.

Unless you intend to use a cross-platform development tool like PhoneGap there's no reason to use the IFRAME API, and hardly anybody does.

AWilliams87 said,

Google has no obligation whatsoever to develop for any platform, especially if it only makes up 3.7% of the market; Just like there was no such attempt on WebOS or Blackberry. WP8 could of had an official Youtube app right now, like those that exist on the other two platforms previously mentioned, if only Microsoft followed the TOS like any normal developer. They choose to sacrifice that for something greater: a political/marketing scheme which paints them as an innocent party being dominated by the evil Googlers, and it worked.

This is the same Steven Ballmer's Microsoft up to the same old tactics. These are the exact reasons why Mark Penn was brought in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12...brawler-mark-penn.html?_r=0

But that is not true, as stated above many times. Maybe it's different on Android, but on iOS and Windows Phone, other devs are doing what they want and getting away with it just fine. If they were using the API that Google provides, they would be getting ads. Where are the ads?

AWilliams87 said,

Google has no obligation whatsoever to develop for any platform, especially if it only makes up 3.7% of the market; Just like there was no such attempt on WebOS or Blackberry. WP8 could of had an official Youtube app right now, like those that exist on the other two platforms previously mentioned, if only Microsoft followed the TOS like any normal developer. They choose to sacrifice that for something greater: a political/marketing scheme which paints them as an innocent party being dominated by the evil Googlers, and it worked.

This is the same Steven Ballmer's Microsoft up to the same old tactics. These are the exact reasons why Mark Penn was brought in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12...brawler-mark-penn.html?_r=0


Tell that to the markets outside the US where WP8 hinges towards and over 10% or even 20%.
Microsoft was forced to show Opera in the browser bulletin Why Opera? it has less then the 3.x% in the browser market then WP has in the smartphone world.

And again the "If only MS followed the TOS like any other developer".... Uhm, no they don't most developers don't follow the TOS, I'm afraid you missed out on a lot here, read up

And if you also come with Metrotube for example, it basically wraps youtube.com inside the app... And no I don't want this, and I can understand Microsoft not wanting this either. Because this leaves a big gaping hole in the app for Google to abuse (they are not afraid of abusing holes for their own advantage *cough* Safari *cough*).

In this case, Microsoft is being singled out, because Google is not making such a big scene with the hundreds of other apps in WP8 and other OS's.
And this singling out of Microsoft is the anti-competitive/monopoly thing, market size is not even important at all.

Shadowzz said,

Tell that to the markets outside the US where WP8 hinges towards and over 10% or even 20%.
Microsoft was forced to show Opera in the browser bulletin Why Opera? it has less then the 3.x% in the browser market then WP has in the smartphone world.

And again the "If only MS followed the TOS like any other developer".... Uhm, no they don't most developers don't follow the TOS, I'm afraid you missed out on a lot here, read up

And if you also come with Metrotube for example, it basically wraps youtube.com inside the app... And no I don't want this, and I can understand Microsoft not wanting this either. Because this leaves a big gaping hole in the app for Google to abuse (they are not afraid of abusing holes for their own advantage *cough* Safari *cough*).

In this case, Microsoft is being singled out, because Google is not making such a big scene with the hundreds of other apps in WP8 and other OS's.
And this singling out of Microsoft is the anti-competitive/monopoly thing, market size is not even important at all.

Is MetroTube really just wrapping the mobile site? Because I don't ever get any ads with MetroTube. And I use it quite often (since Google has been gimping the MS YouTube app, anyway).

Shadowzz said,

And if you also come with Metrotube for example, it basically wraps youtube.com inside the app... And no I don't want this, and I can understand Microsoft not wanting this either. Because this leaves a big gaping hole in the app for Google to abuse (they are not afraid of abusing holes for their own advantage *cough* Safari *cough*).

The reason for HTML5 requirement is so that Google can make sure the correct ads are displayed. If apps are native, then Google cannot control what is done. Like MS releasing its first app that did not display ads. Of course if Google would release its API and allow others to use it, then the ad thing wouldnt be an issue.

Edited by techbeck, Aug 21 2013, 2:52pm :

Why cant Google what is done with their own friggin API's? That's their problem aint it?
Fix the API? Make it require some user-string they can identify and they themselves can already identify what video is showing.
And MS went out of its way to make it display ads as good as they could with what Google made available... Yet Google is still butthurt about it.
Google doesn't want or can't fix their own API up to their own standards, so they want to force everyone into making a website-app? Come on please!
5 minutes of greasemonkey/stylie work for youtube.com and I've made an app!?! woohoo!

Shadowzz said,
Why cant Google what is done with their own friggin API's? That's their problem aint it?
Fix the API? Make it require some user-string they can identify and they themselves can already identify what video is showing.
And MS went out of its way to make it display ads as good as they could with what Google made available... Yet Google is still butthurt about it.
Google doesn't want or can't fix their own API up to their own standards, so they want to force everyone into making a website-app? Come on please!
5 minutes of greasemonkey/stylie work for youtube.com and I've made an app!?! woohoo!

Google doesnt share their APIs. Thats part of hte problem. Google uses its own API to write native apps because it handles ads properly. MS reverse engineered their API, which they knew was wrong, and released an new app showing ads. However, Google could not make sure the correct ads were displayed properly.

And MS knew full well releasing the first app not showing ads and allowing downloading of videos was wrong. They also knew that their second app they released behind Google's back was not going to go over well. I have a hard time believing MS is that ignorant. Just seems MS wants people to think/believe they are the good guy when they have contributed to all of this fighting with Google. There is no good guy here and both companies are a problem.

Not sure what Google's problem is with releasing their API for others to use. Would solve the whole issue and they are being stubborn. This is a big problem as well and they need to learn to play nice.

techbeck said,

Google doesnt share their APIs. Thats part of hte problem. Google uses its own API to write native apps because it handles ads properly. MS reverse engineered their API, which they knew was wrong, and released an new app showing ads. However, Google could not make sure the correct ads were displayed properly.

And MS knew full well releasing the first app not showing ads and allowing downloading of videos was wrong. They also knew that their second app they released behind Google's back was not going to go over well. I have a hard time believing MS is that ignorant. Just seems MS wants people to think/believe they are the good guy when they have contributed to all of this fighting with Google. There is no good guy here and both companies are a problem.

Not sure what Google's problem is with releasing their API for others to use. Would solve the whole issue and they are being stubborn. This is a big problem as well and they need to learn to play nice.

MS released the updated YouTube app in the meantime while they still continued to work on the HTML5 version. They do have customers to look after. Google did not have to outright block this, but they did. Enforcing TOS or not, they are singling out MS and its customers with all of the other dicking around that they have been pulling lately. If it were just the YouTube app, it wouldn't be getting anywhere near the amount of attention it's getting now.

NeoTrunks said,

MS released the updated YouTube app in the meantime while they still continued to work on the HTML5 version.

And that is the problem. They did this behind Google's back and Google was not aware of it. MS has to employ a bunch of dumbasses if they thought Google wasnt going to have a problem with it. MS is poking the bear, so to speak, and Google poked back. Google has to look after their users as well to make sure their users are getting payed properly for their work. Really not hard to get whether you agree with it or not.

This would be a big issue regardless if noting else was going on. It is Youtube a popular site that generates a ton of internet traffic. I mainly use it on my PC, but I know others who visit it every day. It is a highly desired app and Google needs to stop dicking and either produce an app themselves, or allow MS to use their fully use their API.