Adobe: “Apple hurts customers”, Flash 10.1 on track, beta for Android announced

Adobe’s number one this week had some strong comments regarding Apple’s decision to block Flash-compiled apps in the App Store and for not allowing Flash Player in iPhone OS. CEO Shantanu Narayen claimed on Fox Business that Apple is hurting its customers because “Flash is synonymous with the internet.” His full comments are available for viewing 3:30 minutes into this video segment

Adobe also announced today that Flash Player 10.1 and Adobe AIR 2.0 for Android are currently in private testing and would soon be available as a public beta. Sign up to be notified once they arrive here (Flash) and here (AIR). A free Adobe ID registration is required for notification. 

Previously scheduled for a first half 2010 release, Flash Player 10.1 has been delayed until the second half of the year due to mitigating bugs left in the software. Narayen further stated that in addition to desktop operating systems, 10.1 would see support from other mobile device companies such as Google, Palm, and RIM later this year. While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system.

Update: Flash 10.1 has not been delayed and is still on track to ship before the second half of the year. The confusion came from CEO Narayen’s comments that Flash would ship on Android and other mobile devices in 2H 2010 but what was actually implied was that Flash would come pre-installed on those devices when released later this year. Adobe evangelist Serge Jespers has stated that Flash Player 10.1 will be available for download within the upcoming months. 

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Dear Adobe,

Please stop these childish games and actually develop flash into what it used to be instead of the trash it is now.

Regards.

I don't get this war against Adobe Flash. It can be a bit buggy at times, but it never gets in the way (it has crashed maybe once on me, ever). The HTML5 specification is no where near fully implemented in any browser engine except Presto. In fact, I doubt the W3C will recommend use of HTML5 for a couple years.

On the contrary, iTunes on Windows is one of the slowest, crash-prone, bloated programs I have ever used. I refuse to install Quicktime or iTunes on my computer because it is so bad.

To be honest, all browser engines except Trident have enough HTML5 implemented to give Flash a run for its money. All we really use Flash for nowadays is video, audio, and uploading of files. All of which are taken care of in HTML5.

Flash crashes a lot for me...But only when playing the crappy facebook games...When using opera 10.5 or Firefox 3.6.3.

peacemf said,
is it me or does flash crash alot with the new update on google chrome browser?

Flash has ALWAYS crashed a lot on Chrome for me...

Some amazing things have been created with Flash but I don't agree with “Flash is synonymous with the internet.” We could easily survive without Flash.

I don't think Flash is necessary in navigation and is often overly used. Forcing sites to create simplified and streamlined sites with simple navigation isn't such a bad thing. HTML5 and CSS can most likely serve this purpose just fine.

Face it people. If you develop a bad app it really doesn't matter what program it's compiled with. Plain and simple it's a poorly designed app. It's all part of Steve Jobs problem with (insert any companies name except Apple's). He wants to control the world. Always has and always will. The customer is the loser here.

apple never knows whats best for it's customers let alone themselves and i do agree that flash should either die or evolve into something better but i do agree with adobe that apple is hurting customers but adobe needs to do it's part as well by making x64 versions of there apps as it's time to start adopting x64 then more will follow.

Thank god they did the smart thing and pushed 10.1 back a bit. It is FAR from ready for primetime. Buggy, corrupts fullscreen video when acceleration is on, etc.

Ok so flash is junk, that's all i seem to read when it comes to comments about it. The FACT of the matter is not whether or not its junk, i have never had an issue with it myself so i guess i must be lucky. The FACT is that its common, tons of websites use it and i personally believe that Apple should support what is now, not what is far into the future. Everyone keeps talking about HTML5, well i hate to burst everyone's bubble but HTML5 is a long way from being standard. There is only a handful of sites that even use it, so why does everyone talk about it like its the best thing ever, I just don't get it. I believe Jobs is an idiot for not allowing Flash on its flagship mobile product, hell it would probably even boost the sales of the iphone/ipad generously if he would just support flash. I just do not understand why it is so damn difficult. Jobs says that flash is a big security risk and all this and that, well then why not make it more secure, work with Adobe and develop a special version of flash for the iphone?. I believe not having flash on the iphone is its biggest downfall, but again that's just my opinion and it's probably never going to change. I just think this whole thing is so stupid.

in other news.......Adobe hurting adoption of 64-bit browsers and embedded 64-bit flash components due to its inability to get 64-bit versions out.....

neufuse said,
in other news.......Adobe hurting adoption of 64-bit browsers and embedded 64-bit flash components due to its inability to get 64-bit versions out.....

LOL!

Like adobe doesn't hurt customers. Where's 64 bit version of Flash Adobe. How come you can' write software without really sloppy bugs. Such as thumbnail bug on 64 bit versions of Acrobat. I am not defending apple , because I believe apple behaves bad as well.

Flash is junk, while I'm not thrilled with everything Apple does my iPhone experience is excellent so I'm not seeing how I'm hurt by keeping crap software off my phone? I'll say that the current version of the Flash plug-in on Windows is far better than the past few versions, far more stable than almost any build of Flash I used on Vista, but it's still a CPU hog for even the slightest task. The IE team has previously acknowleged how buggy Flash is, Apple has made it's stance clear, no sure how anyone can defend such shoddy software.

hotdog963al said,
I've never *heard* so much **** about Flash, do people rely on it THIS MUCH?

A 96% installed base say to much about Flash.

Edited by Brony, Apr 19 2010, 8:49pm :

Magallanes said,
A 96% installed base say to much about Flash.
Sickens me. I suppose idiots are unable to let go of their stupid flash clips and mini-games.

hotdog963al said,
Sickens me. I suppose idiots are unable to let go of their stupid flash clips and mini-games.

So people wanting Flash for the things they use makes them idiots? Something tells me you're just having a go at people that don't agree with you...

Apple hurts customers the same way guns kill people.

That's right. Guns *don't* kill people. Guns don't do anything on their own. People pointing and shooting guns is what kills people.

In the same way, Apple doesn't hurt customers. Apple's customers are hurting themselves by continuing to shell out money in support of Apple's products, design, policies and standards. It's just that simple. If Apple's customers (and potential customers) want better treatment from Apple then they need to stop and think before charging their next iDevice to their credit card.

C_Guy said,
Apple hurts customers the same way guns kill people.

That's right. Guns *don't* kill people. Guns don't do anything on their own. People pointing and shooting guns is what kills people.

In the same way, Apple doesn't hurt customers. Apple's customers are hurting themselves by continuing to shell out money in support of Apple's products, design, policies and standards. It's just that simple. If Apple's customers (and potential customers) want better treatment from Apple then they need to stop and think before charging their next iDevice to their credit card.

But if Apple and Guns were banned, then we would help protect everybody! Think of the children!

craybox said,
would anyone really miss flash ?

Now? Yes! Imagine websites now without flash.. o.O
in future when there is something better, of course not

TrOjAn. said,

Now? Yes! Imagine websites now without flash.. o.O
in future when there is something better, of course not

There IS something better. Silverlight...

M_Lyons10 said,

There IS something better. Silverlight...

How many sites do you see using Silverlight? It's all about what's accepted and used.

"Previously scheduled for a first half 2010 release, Flash Player 10.1 has been delayed until the second half of the year due to mitigating bugs left in the software." THIS is exactly why Flash is dead in many people's eyes.

Escalade_GT said,
"Previously scheduled for a first half 2010 release, Flash Player 10.1 has been delayed until the second half of the year due to mitigating bugs left in the software." THIS is exactly why Flash is dead in many people's eyes.

Yea, like Apple and its users...

I can see if having problems and getting a bad rep if it was released with bugs, but it is being delayed. Every software has bugs and Flash 10.1 is in BETA.

Things get delayed because of issues or lack of inventory...Why the international release of the iPad was pushed back a month.

Hopefully they will address more known bugs and release a quality product that will appease the Apple fanboys who choose to run an OS that's less than cost effective to optimize apps for (or was a few months ago). Would be nice to actually recommend 10.1 to all customers today without waiting 5 years for HTML5 to come around with 1/2 the features of Flash today.

Don't want to get into the whole Flash die argument because anyone who can actually write code will know that it's mostly poor coding on part of developer. Flex (Flash) and Silverlight are the ONLY viable platforms for building enterprise based web apps today (not web sites thats for HTML5 of course). Flex gives you compile time error checking with a fully OO based architecture and if you have half a brain you will realize that its infinitely better than script manually written Javascript.

There's no way I'm installing this, I'm not against flash in general but I do not think it has to be on my mobile devices, its going to drain my battery in minutes also I do not want to see all the flash ads and its potential security threat.

Hungarian Salami said,
There's no way I'm installing this, I'm not against flash in general but I do not think it has to be on my mobile devices, its going to drain my battery in minutes also I do not want to see all the flash ads and its potential security threat.

qft! The only thing I've noticed by not having flash is there are less annoying ads. How is that a bad thing?

Hungarian Salami said,
There's no way I'm installing this, I'm not against flash in general but I do not think it has to be on my mobile devices, its going to drain my battery in minutes also I do not want to see all the flash ads and its potential security threat.

Tests done a while ago on a N1 showed not extra strain on the battery, it's all FUD as usual

z0phi3l said,

Tests done a while ago on a N1 showed not extra strain on the battery, it's all FUD as usual

That would really surprise me. I would expect a drain on the battery. Using Flash content on my WinMo phone definitely drains the battery... So from experience I can disagree with that.

As for Flash on a mobile device, I really don't need or want it. I couldn't care less if it isn't supported by WP7... It just isn't needed... Now the iPad is a bit different, I feel Flash is more important on something like that... But phones... No.

Hungarian Salami said,
There's no way I'm installing this, I'm not against flash in general but I do not think it has to be on my mobile devices, its going to drain my battery in minutes also I do not want to see all the flash ads and its potential security threat.

Keeping fully in mind you're now getting iAds, and there's nothing restricting advertisers to Flash, they'll make the jump to HTML5 as soon as it's worth their time.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
lol why is everyone always crashing? I never crash cause of flash or anything. Win7

Never had flash crash on me either.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
lol why is everyone always crashing? I never crash cause of flash or anything. Win7

Android is Linux and on Linux Flash crashes a lot. A whole lot.

Edited by Ashmir, Apr 19 2010, 7:11pm :

Donenzone said,

Android is Linux and on Linux Flash crashes a lot. A whole lot.

Again, never had an issue with Flash on Linux either.

techbeck said,

Again, never had an issue with Flash on Linux either.

Well I do, it randomly crashes even when simply watching video. Controls in Flash objects regularly don't work or only work partial and after a few minutes or so, a Flash object can simply go blank.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
lol why is everyone always crashing? I never crash cause of flash or anything. Win7

I dunno. I regularly have Flash crash on Windows Vista (Particularly in Chrome). Windows XP crashes, but less (Probably because I'm not using Chrome). Windows 7 crashes too, but less (Probably because I'm not using Chrome their either).

I would try Chrome... Flash is particularly unstable there. Though I've also had it crash in Firefox, Safari, etc... I haven't used IE in so long I don't even remember.

thatguyandrew1992 said,
lol why is everyone always crashing? I never crash cause of flash or anything. Win7

Now, we need to consider the terminology here. To me, a crash is when i need to pull the plug and remove the battery to restart everything, or the whole system craps itself. Seems to me flash would rather (and it is something very infrequent for me) freeze a web browser so I use a simple ctrl-shift-esc and kill firefox (which will ask to reload my tabs, and hey, it works fine again).

Signed up for the Android Beta Notifications over the weekend. Honestly I think its going to be great, however at the same time I can see it being a Battery Hog. However, Having it is better than not having it.

Everything that runs using AIR is yeah. I can usually tell if an app uses AIR without knowing. Raptr uses it and omg it feels slow.

Xilo said,
Adobe AIR is just horrible and slow as hell.

Yeah, I agree. And on a couple of machines I've seen updates freeze and then the app won't even run. And reinstalling the app doesn't fix the problem either... LOL AIR is actually more bug prone than Flash. I didn't think that possible.

techbeck said,
Because Apple knows whats best for its customers. Want to decide for yourself, go Android!

No Apple always thinks what it knows best, when it usually doesn't.

thealexweb said,
No Apple always thinks what it knows best, when it usually doesn't.

Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.

.Neo said,

Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.
Apple software in general (so people say) runs crappy on windows. Should Microsoft banish them?

techbeck said,
Because Apple knows whats best for its customers. Want to decide for yourself, go Android!

Im no Apple fanboy, but yet, people still flock to buy their products.. why is that? - try figuring that out.

So far, other than flash, and a few minor things, people have not complained about the use of the iPhone. (Excluding what AT&T has done). The experience has been generally good.

Andriod offered the same. But you have to admit, that flash will reduce the battery time.

Also, the basic consumer really doesn't care about all this. As long as the device works, its fine by them. - now, if flash was shipped from the start, im sure that would have been alot more complaints than there are now. and besides, the only people who complain about flash, are techy people like us.

I hope you get what i am trying to say.

cybertimber2008 said,
Apple software in general (so people say) runs crappy on windows. Should Microsoft banish them?

Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.

However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.

Edited by .Neo, Apr 19 2010, 8:00pm :

.Neo said,

Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.

Whether it's Flash or Silverlight or Java it doesn't matter, locking down your OS so much that your competitors can't even try is just evil, one reason I will never buy a piece of i****e.

.Neo said,

Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.

However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.


"While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system"


It may not be on the 1st sets of phones when shipped but W7Phone will work with Flash.

Edited by Head of Tech Geek and More, Apr 19 2010, 9:54pm :

.Neo said,

Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.

However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.

It won't be available on day one is what has been said, due to the time needed to complete the Flash player from W7P RTM. W7P isn't done yet, and therefore flash development for it is at a minimum.

TechGuyPA said,


"While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system"


It may not be on the 1st sets of phones when shipped but W7Phone will work with Flash.

Exactly. And I believe native development will be available to some as well (OEM's, software vendors that require it, etc.).

dimithrak said,

Im no Apple fanboy, but yet, people still flock to buy their products.. why is that? - try figuring that out.

So far, other than flash, and a few minor things, people have not complained about the use of the iPhone. (Excluding what AT&T has done). The experience has been generally good.

Andriod offered the same. But you have to admit, that flash will reduce the battery time.

Also, the basic consumer really doesn't care about all this. As long as the device works, its fine by them. - now, if flash was shipped from the start, im sure that would have been alot more complaints than there are now. and besides, the only people who complain about flash, are techy people like us.

I hope you get what i am trying to say.

If you get new users that don't know much that go to sites that need flash, they'll get ****ed and think it sucks and doesn't work properly. I have an iPhone, I am a tech freak so I know what to and not to expect but you can't say it just works when there are thousands of new users that are picking it up and angry that the sites they go to aren't working. That's only when they actually hit a site that has flash. If they don't know any better, they'll call up their provider and complain that it doesn't work. The majority of people don't care, don't go to sites with flash or just ignore it when they do get to one so with a very little voice, there isn't much you can do. Especially when the CEO is always talking **** about flash all the time.