Adobe’s number one this week had some strong comments regarding Apple’s decision to block Flash-compiled apps in the App Store and for not allowing Flash Player in iPhone OS. CEO Shantanu Narayen claimed on Fox Business that Apple is hurting its customers because “Flash is synonymous with the internet.” His full comments are available for viewing 3:30 minutes into this video segment.
Adobe also announced today that Flash Player 10.1 and Adobe AIR 2.0 for Android are currently in private testing and would soon be available as a public beta. Sign up to be notified once they arrive here (Flash) and here (AIR). A free Adobe ID registration is required for notification.
Previously scheduled for a first half 2010 release, Flash Player 10.1 has been delayed until the second half of the year due to mitigating bugs left in the software. Narayen further stated that in addition to desktop operating systems, 10.1 would see support from other mobile device companies such as Google, Palm, and RIM later this year. While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system.
Update: Flash 10.1 has not been delayed and is still on track to ship before the second half of the year. The confusion came from CEO Narayen’s comments that Flash would ship on Android and other mobile devices in 2H 2010 but what was actually implied was that Flash would come pre-installed on those devices when released later this year. Adobe evangelist Serge Jespers has stated that Flash Player 10.1 will be available for download within the upcoming months.
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ReplyBecause Apple knows whats best for its customers. Want to decide for yourself, go Android!
No Apple always thinks what it knows best, when it usually doesn't.
Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.
Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.
Im no Apple fanboy, but yet, people still flock to buy their products.. why is that? - try figuring that out.
So far, other than flash, and a few minor things, people have not complained about the use of the iPhone. (Excluding what AT&T has done). The experience has been generally good.
Andriod offered the same. But you have to admit, that flash will reduce the battery time.
Also, the basic consumer really doesn't care about all this. As long as the device works, its fine by them. - now, if flash was shipped from the start, im sure that would have been alot more complaints than there are now. and besides, the only people who complain about flash, are techy people like us.
I hope you get what i am trying to say.
Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.
However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.
Considering how crappy Flash runs on Mac OS X, they do know best when it comes to this.
Whether it's Flash or Silverlight or Java it doesn't matter, locking down your OS so much that your competitors can't even try is just evil, one reason I will never buy a piece of i****e.
Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.
However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.
"While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system"
It may not be on the 1st sets of phones when shipped but W7Phone will work with Flash.
Windows nor Mac OS X are a closed platform so your comparison doesn't really hold ground.
However, here's a question for you: Does Windows Phone 7 support Flash? Last time I checked it doesn't. Nor does it allow for third-parties to natively write applications for it.
"While Microsoft has welcomed Flash Player on Windows Phone 7, it will not be included at release this holiday season due to continual development of the new operating system"
It may not be on the 1st sets of phones when shipped but W7Phone will work with Flash.
Exactly. And I believe native development will be available to some as well (OEM's, software vendors that require it, etc.).
Im no Apple fanboy, but yet, people still flock to buy their products.. why is that? - try figuring that out.
So far, other than flash, and a few minor things, people have not complained about the use of the iPhone. (Excluding what AT&T has done). The experience has been generally good.
Andriod offered the same. But you have to admit, that flash will reduce the battery time.
Also, the basic consumer really doesn't care about all this. As long as the device works, its fine by them. - now, if flash was shipped from the start, im sure that would have been alot more complaints than there are now. and besides, the only people who complain about flash, are techy people like us.
I hope you get what i am trying to say.
If you get new users that don't know much that go to sites that need flash, they'll get ****ed and think it sucks and doesn't work properly. I have an iPhone, I am a tech freak so I know what to and not to expect but you can't say it just works when there are thousands of new users that are picking it up and angry that the sites they go to aren't working. That's only when they actually hit a site that has flash. If they don't know any better, they'll call up their provider and complain that it doesn't work. The majority of people don't care, don't go to sites with flash or just ignore it when they do get to one so with a very little voice, there isn't much you can do. Especially when the CEO is always talking **** about flash all the time.
Give me Flash on Android now!
funny, never crashes for me, perhaps just on OS X?
CSS5?
Think he meant HTML5...but still. Flash is EVERYWHERE and HTML5 isnt being used much. You NEED to support the old until the new comes along...something Apple never has done.
Think he meant HTML5...but still. Flash is EVERYWHERE and HTML5 isnt being used much. You NEED to support the old until the new comes along...something Apple never has done.
Supporting the old is what also doesn't make things progress faster, which has been seen in some pretty big things before..
Supporting the old is what also doesn't make things progress faster, which has been seen in some pretty big things before..
Yea, ok...so Microsoft is WAY behind when it continues to support documents and programs as far back as Windows 95. People stop support because they think they know better than you (apple) or if they want to force you to upgrade/buy something new.
funny, never crashes for me, perhaps just on OS X?
The funny thing is, even Steve Jobs has admitted that HTML5 is not good enough. When the iPhone was first introduced, there was no SDK, only the web browser which Steve told us was good enough. Then, a year or so later, the iPhone SDK was introduced. This was, in a round about way, Steve admitting that the web browser was not good enough. And ever since, the Apple fanboys have been touting how many apps are sold (ignoring that SJ did not want them to have a SDK in the first place). But we still get people saying how we don't need apps, that HTML5 will fix all that ails us now.
Those who do not learn from history...
Supporting the old is what also doesn't make things progress faster, which has been seen in some pretty big things before..
No, supporting the old is what makes new product launches successful. You can see it in the backwards compatibility of Nintendo handhelds, a huge reason behind how Sony guaranteed the PS2's success, and one of the major criticisms of the PS3 was the lack of PS1/2 support in later models. People have also declared Windows Phone 7 dead in the water because it won't support old applications, and Vista a failure because old software had problems.
Supporting "the old" speeds adoption of new products which speeds familiarity with new technologies working alongside the old. This gives us all the ideal choice: we've either been given a much simpler transition to a future version that eliminates the older tech, or an opportunity to the developers to bring the old into the present. In other words, by supporting Flash alongside competing, sometimes superior new standards, Flash has an opportunity to improve and compete as well (or fail).
It sounds like the people who want Flash to die don't actually want a better internet. They don't want to see if Adobe can make Flash into something better and more powerful that improves the web for all of us--they want to see Flash utterly destroyed and removed from the face of the Earth with no evidence it ever existed.
It's irrational and childish and belongs in partisan politics, not in a customer's-best-interest business model.
my bad meant to say HTML5...it crashes for me on Windows and OSX I am a Web Developer and at work we only use Windows...
Crashes for me on Chrome only... not on other browsers under either Windows 7 or OS X..
+1 for Joshie
Think he meant HTML5...but still. Flash is EVERYWHERE and HTML5 isnt being used much. You NEED to support the old until the new comes along...something Apple never has done.
Totally agree with this!! Apple is so dumb. Flash is NOW, HTML5 is a lonnng way off from being as common as flash is now. This whole thing is just stuipd.. f*&$ you Apple.
Adobe are smart, they made CS5 support exporting to HTML5 (using canvas). This way Flash becomes independent of the Flash plugin. There will certainly be some unsupported features but this is definitively the way to go.
So yeah, the Flash plugin needs to die, but Flash ? I don't think so.
Crashes for me, Ubuntu.
No, supporting the old is what makes new product launches successful. You can see it in the backwards compatibility of Nintendo handhelds, a huge reason behind how Sony guaranteed the PS2's success, and one of the major criticisms of the PS3 was the lack of PS1/2 support in later models. People have also declared Windows Phone 7 dead in the water because it won't support old applications, and Vista a failure because old software had problems.
Supporting "the old" speeds adoption of new products which speeds familiarity with new technologies working alongside the old. This gives us all the ideal choice: we've either been given a much simpler transition to a future version that eliminates the older tech, or an opportunity to the developers to bring the old into the present. In other words, by supporting Flash alongside competing, sometimes superior new standards, Flash has an opportunity to improve and compete as well (or fail).
It sounds like the people who want Flash to die don't actually want a better internet. They don't want to see if Adobe can make Flash into something better and more powerful that improves the web for all of us--they want to see Flash utterly destroyed and removed from the face of the Earth with no evidence it ever existed.
It's irrational and childish and belongs in partisan politics, not in a customer's-best-interest business model.
This is a good post, but ultimately I do think that Flash's success will be in its new abilities to export to canvas and such... As a plugin I really don't see it succeeding, and because of the number of crashes I see, I wouldn't mind seeing something more stable take its place. Silverlight for instance is much better and more stable. As a publishing platform Flash may succeed, but not as a plugin.
The only thing that's crashed my browser in recently memory has been QuickTime.
Crashes for me, Win7 .
PC crashes. the one thing you have to remember is all computers are different. e.g. windows vista runs good as gold on my high range PC, but others have a lot of problems. It's all down to your hard where, and its quality. flash rune bril for some and bad for others.
as for mac and Linux. apparently the mane reason that the CPU consumption is so high, is because Linux currently lacks a developed standard API that supports H.264 hardware acceleration. and adobe needs particular APIs to do this on the mac, that apple are not releasing.
don't hold me on this. but it duz make sense.
This is a good post, but ultimately I do think that Flash's success will be in its new abilities to export to canvas and such... As a plugin I really don't see it succeeding, and because of the number of crashes I see, I wouldn't mind seeing something more stable take its place. Silverlight for instance is much better and more stable. As a publishing platform Flash may succeed, but not as a plugin.
No doubt. I'm a big fan of Silverlight. It seems to have a lot more potential going forward than Flash does, unless Adobe has a big change in direction ahead. I merely oppose any attempt to broadly ban something 95% or more of us have installed with the turtleneck-clad weight of Apple behind it.
Adobe AIR is just horrible and slow as hell.
Everything that runs using AIR is yeah. I can usually tell if an app uses AIR without knowing. Raptr uses it and omg it feels slow.
Yeah, I agree. And on a couple of machines I've seen updates freeze and then the app won't even run. And reinstalling the app doesn't fix the problem either... LOL AIR is actually more bug prone than Flash. I didn't think that possible.
Signed up for the Android Beta Notifications over the weekend. Honestly I think its going to be great, however at the same time I can see it being a Battery Hog. However, Having it is better than not having it.
lol why is everyone always crashing? I never crash cause of flash or anything. Win7
Never had flash crash on me either.
Android is Linux and on Linux Flash crashes a lot. A whole lot.
Android is Linux and on Linux Flash crashes a lot. A whole lot.
Again, never had an issue with Flash on Linux either.
Again, never had an issue with Flash on Linux either.
Well I do, it randomly crashes even when simply watching video. Controls in Flash objects regularly don't work or only work partial and after a few minutes or so, a Flash object can simply go blank.
Android is Linux and on Linux Flash crashes a lot. A whole lot.
Never had flash crash my Linux box
I dunno. I regularly have Flash crash on Windows Vista (Particularly in Chrome). Windows XP crashes, but less (Probably because I'm not using Chrome). Windows 7 crashes too, but less (Probably because I'm not using Chrome their either).
I would try Chrome... Flash is particularly unstable there. Though I've also had it crash in Firefox, Safari, etc... I haven't used IE in so long I don't even remember.
Now, we need to consider the terminology here. To me, a crash is when i need to pull the plug and remove the battery to restart everything, or the whole system craps itself. Seems to me flash would rather (and it is something very infrequent for me) freeze a web browser so I use a simple ctrl-shift-esc and kill firefox (which will ask to reload my tabs, and hey, it works fine again).
There's no way I'm installing this, I'm not against flash in general but I do not think it has to be on my mobile devices, its going to drain my battery in minutes also I do not want to see all the flash ads and its potential security threat.
qft! The only thing I've noticed by not having flash is there are less annoying ads. How is that a bad thing?
Tests done a while ago on a N1 showed not extra strain on the battery, it's all FUD as usual
Tests done a while ago on a N1 showed not extra strain on the battery, it's all FUD as usual
That would really surprise me. I would expect a drain on the battery. Using Flash content on my WinMo phone definitely drains the battery... So from experience I can disagree with that.
As for Flash on a mobile device, I really don't need or want it. I couldn't care less if it isn't supported by WP7... It just isn't needed... Now the iPad is a bit different, I feel Flash is more important on something like that... But phones... No.
Keeping fully in mind you're now getting iAds, and there's nothing restricting advertisers to Flash, they'll make the jump to HTML5 as soon as it's worth their time.
Hopefully they will address more known bugs and release a quality product that will appease the Apple fanboys who choose to run an OS that's less than cost effective to optimize apps for (or was a few months ago). Would be nice to actually recommend 10.1 to all customers today without waiting 5 years for HTML5 to come around with 1/2 the features of Flash today.
Don't want to get into the whole Flash die argument because anyone who can actually write code will know that it's mostly poor coding on part of developer. Flex (Flash) and Silverlight are the ONLY viable platforms for building enterprise based web apps today (not web sites thats for HTML5 of course). Flex gives you compile time error checking with a fully OO based architecture and if you have half a brain you will realize that its infinitely better than script manually written Javascript.
"Previously scheduled for a first half 2010 release, Flash Player 10.1 has been delayed until the second half of the year due to mitigating bugs left in the software." THIS is exactly why Flash is dead in many people's eyes.
Yea, like Apple and its users...
I can see if having problems and getting a bad rep if it was released with bugs, but it is being delayed. Every software has bugs and Flash 10.1 is in BETA.
Things get delayed because of issues or lack of inventory...Why the international release of the iPad was pushed back a month.
would anyone really miss flash ?
Now? Yes! Imagine websites now without flash.. o.O
in future when there is something better, of course not
Now? Yes! Imagine websites now without flash.. o.O
in future when there is something better, of course not
There IS something better. Silverlight...
There IS something better. Silverlight...
How many sites do you see using Silverlight? It's all about what's accepted and used.
Apple hurts customers the same way guns kill people.
That's right. Guns *don't* kill people. Guns don't do anything on their own. People pointing and shooting guns is what kills people.
In the same way, Apple doesn't hurt customers. Apple's customers are hurting themselves by continuing to shell out money in support of Apple's products, design, policies and standards. It's just that simple. If Apple's customers (and potential customers) want better treatment from Apple then they need to stop and think before charging their next iDevice to their credit card.
That's right. Guns *don't* kill people. Guns don't do anything on their own. People pointing and shooting guns is what kills people.
In the same way, Apple doesn't hurt customers. Apple's customers are hurting themselves by continuing to shell out money in support of Apple's products, design, policies and standards. It's just that simple. If Apple's customers (and potential customers) want better treatment from Apple then they need to stop and think before charging their next iDevice to their credit card.
But if Apple and Guns were banned, then we would help protect everybody! Think of the children!
I've never *heard* so much **** about Flash, do people rely on it THIS MUCH?
A 96% installed base say to much about Flash.
So people wanting Flash for the things they use makes them idiots? Something tells me you're just having a go at people that don't agree with you...
Flash is junk, while I'm not thrilled with everything Apple does my iPhone experience is excellent so I'm not seeing how I'm hurt by keeping crap software off my phone? I'll say that the current version of the Flash plug-in on Windows is far better than the past few versions, far more stable than almost any build of Flash I used on Vista, but it's still a CPU hog for even the slightest task. The IE team has previously acknowleged how buggy Flash is, Apple has made it's stance clear, no sure how anyone can defend such shoddy software.
Are they any closer to a 64bit release of Flash?
Like adobe doesn't hurt customers. Where's 64 bit version of Flash Adobe. How come you can' write software without really sloppy bugs. Such as thumbnail bug on 64 bit versions of Acrobat. I am not defending apple , because I believe apple behaves bad as well.
in other news.......Adobe hurting adoption of 64-bit browsers and embedded 64-bit flash components due to its inability to get 64-bit versions out.....
LOL!
Ok so flash is junk, that's all i seem to read when it comes to comments about it. The FACT of the matter is not whether or not its junk, i have never had an issue with it myself so i guess i must be lucky. The FACT is that its common, tons of websites use it and i personally believe that Apple should support what is now, not what is far into the future. Everyone keeps talking about HTML5, well i hate to burst everyone's bubble but HTML5 is a long way from being standard. There is only a handful of sites that even use it, so why does everyone talk about it like its the best thing ever, I just don't get it. I believe Jobs is an idiot for not allowing Flash on its flagship mobile product, hell it would probably even boost the sales of the iphone/ipad generously if he would just support flash. I just do not understand why it is so damn difficult. Jobs says that flash is a big security risk and all this and that, well then why not make it more secure, work with Adobe and develop a special version of flash for the iphone?. I believe not having flash on the iphone is its biggest downfall, but again that's just my opinion and it's probably never going to change. I just think this whole thing is so stupid.
Thank god they did the smart thing and pushed 10.1 back a bit. It is FAR from ready for primetime. Buggy, corrupts fullscreen video when acceleration is on, etc.
apple never knows whats best for it's customers let alone themselves and i do agree that flash should either die or evolve into something better but i do agree with adobe that apple is hurting customers but adobe needs to do it's part as well by making x64 versions of there apps as it's time to start adopting x64 then more will follow.
Face it people. If you develop a bad app it really doesn't matter what program it's compiled with. Plain and simple it's a poorly designed app. It's all part of Steve Jobs problem with (insert any companies name except Apple's). He wants to control the world. Always has and always will. The customer is the loser here.
Some amazing things have been created with Flash but I don't agree with “Flash is synonymous with the internet.†We could easily survive without Flash.
I don't think Flash is necessary in navigation and is often overly used. Forcing sites to create simplified and streamlined sites with simple navigation isn't such a bad thing. HTML5 and CSS can most likely serve this purpose just fine.
is it me or does flash crash alot with the new update on google chrome browser?
Flash has ALWAYS crashed a lot on Chrome for me...
Flash crashes a lot for me...But only when playing the crappy facebook games...When using opera 10.5 or Firefox 3.6.3.
I don't get this war against Adobe Flash. It can be a bit buggy at times, but it never gets in the way (it has crashed maybe once on me, ever). The HTML5 specification is no where near fully implemented in any browser engine except Presto. In fact, I doubt the W3C will recommend use of HTML5 for a couple years.
On the contrary, iTunes on Windows is one of the slowest, crash-prone, bloated programs I have ever used. I refuse to install Quicktime or iTunes on my computer because it is so bad.
To be honest, all browser engines except Trident have enough HTML5 implemented to give Flash a run for its money. All we really use Flash for nowadays is video, audio, and uploading of files. All of which are taken care of in HTML5.
Dear Adobe,
Please stop these childish games and actually develop flash into what it used to be instead of the trash it is now.
Regards.