HP promotes Windows 7 PC sales; says they are "back by popular demand"

Microsoft may be attempting to get people to buy PCs with Windows 8.1 installed, but it appears HP is trying to appeal to buyers who want to stick with the older Windows 7 operating system. HP's home page is currently spotlighting a sale of Windows 7 computers, and uses the term "back by popular demand" as part of its pitch.

The fact that HP's website is now openly selling Windows 7 PCs to regular consumers, well over a year after the launch of Windows 8, may hint that the company thinks offering the older OS on some of its systems might be a better selection than Microsoft's newest software.

So far, it appears that HP is the only OEM that is actively promoting the sale of new Windows 7 PCs. Other companies like Dell, Lenovo and Acer also have options to purchase PCs with Windows 7 pre-installed but they are well hidden on their sites and are usually targeting the business customer, while HP's promotion is for home and home office consumers.

A few weeks ago, Microsoft confirmed that while new retail sales of Windows 7 as a separate software product ended on October 30th, 2013, sales of new PCs with the OS pre-installed still don't have a specific end date.

Thanks to Neowin reader Frank B for the tip in our forums.

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Look HP has been going down the drain for some time now. I have a Lenovo laptop which I love. In fact I always stayed away from them but this was given to me as a gift. For my first Lenovo I am very happy.

Now it did come with the original Windows 8 and I promptly removed and installed Win 7 Pro SP-1 and it runs really great. Best laptop I ever had. I do have a Dell Venue 8 Pro and I absolutely love it!

Best tablet I have owned and 8.1 is perfect for it. There is a place for 7 and 8. My take is for desktop Win 7 is mature and not a radical change for people so it is the safe haven which is true because several times I also had to remove 8 for people and place 7. I am very glad that so far only 2 people I help are still on XP. Everyone else is on Win 7 or higher.

As for HP, you make poor decisions you pay the price for those decisions. Right now I would definitely buy Lenovo, Dell (Glad they make a comeback) & Gateway is OK in my experience even though Acer owns them and is crap. Only other solution is DIY.

I purchased for X-mas gifts at Office Depot two Lenovo Android tablets 8 inch and boy they are fast, easy to hold and come with many goodies that the recipients loved. I was surprised by how well those Android tablets work but again it is Lenovo.

This is bad news, for me at any rate as I have generated quite a bit of revenue installing Windows 7 at the user request on several laptops that came pre installed with Windows 8

I for one, wouldn't buy Windows 7 laptop. Makes no sense. If I want to be in the desktop, Windows 8 already has a better version of it. It's not that there is no option to go to the desktop in windows 8. I wonder what HP is trying to achieve with this promotion. No wonder they're loosing market share.

As a consultant i often cone across the 'we don't want to switch' attitude, not just to windows 8 but everything, companies don't like change because what they have works and changing means potential problems.

having said that, as a consultant i feel responsible to educate customers as much as possible without coming across as the heavy salesman, which isnt too hard to avoid as they would be purchasing regardless.

sticking with the old, now that windows 8 has matured enough makes no sense to me, and this is what i tell them. The perceived changes are bigger in their heads than in reality, and most are unaware of the benefits.

in the end though, its their choice and some decide to stick with 7, but i can honestly say the numbers are getting smaller to non existent for me and the customers who did jump and let me show them the benefits are happy they made this decision.

It's funny that when so many people hate windows 8 that HP comes out with "Back by popular demand" the WIndows 8 fan club yell gimmick.

warwagon said,
It's funny that when so many people hate windows 8 that HP comes out with "Back by popular demand" the WIndows 8 fan club yell gimmick.

It isn't a gimmick, it is preying on customer ignorance though.

In the end, HP is hurting themselves, which is the point I was trying to make above. They have been in a cycle of destruction on and off for several years, with the recent CEO and policies accelerating their destruction.

Some of the same people that were working at Compaq that killed their Alpha CPUs and stopped Win2k for Alpha are still at HP and think Microsoft will be finished any day.

Promoting Windows 7 isn't hurting anyone but the companies doing it and the users getting cheated out of access to newer software (There are a lot of Modern UI Apps that are popular and with more cross platform development using the newer APIs, it also hurts the developers that are wanting to provide titles across the Windows/Xbox lineup.).

It definitely isn't hurting Microsoft either, this is a competition with themselves, as it always is with major Windows' releases.

*The goofy side note is that HP was one of the companies that screamed the most about Microsoft offering Windows 8 for a reduced price when it launched, as it would hurt new system sales. A year later HP still hasn't fixed their hardware offerings.

The other side note, is Windows 7 is still available from most OEMS for business/enterprise purchases, this isn't something new.

While I think Win8.1 was a very nice improvement there are still plenty of customers that want Win7. This seems to be especially true in the enterprise realm. One of our groups specializes in OS migrations and I have yet to see a major migration take place from Win7 or XP to Win8.1. Not saying it isn't happening but the majority of migrations from WinXP seem to be headed towards Win7 right now.

Of course this is just my anecdotal experience. Either way, this is a way to ship some PCs. HP is taking very little risk but should be getting at least some reward.

This is one way to increase sales. Choice is good. You have a few people who love Windows 8. You have many people who just deal with Windows 8. Finally, you have millions who just wished Windows 7 was still the OS loaded by default from the manufacturer.

During my recent employment at a major UK electrical retailer, I occasionally got asked by potential customers whether any of our computers could be bought with the option to have Windows 7 installed. I guess some people haven't taken to Windows 8 just yet... me included to be honest.

I suppose offering the consumer choice is good but I can't imagine why anyone could prefer W7 to W8.1. Seriously, take 15 minutes to learn the navigation basics and learn it's advantages. HP seems sour and stale.

68k said,
On a desktop machine I would find Metro useless and would really miss Aero.

Even if you just use the Apps to provide a screen of information, you are cheating yourself.

There is also a growing group of Apps that cannot run on Windows 7 that you lose access. Go look at things like projectspark.com - it is in this growing group of highly anticipated titles.

Development has shifted where WP8/XB1/Windows 8 projects are being developed, and even though Windows 7 is still a great OS, it cannot run the newer API sets for this software.

In other news, people aren't pleased with Windows 8 and want choice. And it's good that HP is giving them that choice.

poor hp. gimmick after gimmick. I guess the chromebook and android tablet thing isn't working out. maybe they should go out with acer to a nice meal of hard rice. this is fun to watch.

Well, HP has done such a wonderful job of building Windows 8 hardware and making massive profits this last year. I'm sure they will continue to make more wise and brilliant decisions.
/s

Oh wait, their CEO hates Microsoft and purposely shunned Windows 8 hardware designs and they had a horrible year.

HP had several opportunities to OWN the Windows 8 tablet market, with strong TabletPC support that was still selling well for them, and then they were on board to make several Windows 7 tablets, and got money not to produce the Windows 7 tablets, which they killed and only released a small number of the promised model they showcased with Microsoft.

HP should have had the strongest competitive products to the MS Surface and instead of seeing tons of Dell and Lenovo tablets shipping, especially the new 8" devices, HP could have been ahead of the curve.

They screwed themselves going back to Windows 7 and screwed themselves even more with crap hardware not designed for Windows 8.

Mobius Enigma said,
Well, HP has done such a wonderful job of building Windows 8 hardware and making massive profits this last year. I'm sure they will continue to make more wise and brilliant decisions.
/s

Oh wait, their CEO hates Microsoft and purposely shunned Windows 8 hardware designs and they had a horrible year.

HP had several opportunities to OWN the Windows 8 tablet market, with strong TabletPC support that was still selling well for them, and then they were on board to make several Windows 7 tablets, and got money not to produce the Windows 7 tablets, which they killed and only released a small number of the promised model they showcased with Microsoft.

HP should have had the strongest competitive products to the MS Surface and instead of seeing tons of Dell and Lenovo tablets shipping, especially the new 8" devices, HP could have been ahead of the curve.

They screwed themselves going back to Windows 7 and screwed themselves even more with crap hardware not designed for Windows 8.

What Windows 8 tablet market? The one where MS created 5 million units and sold only 1 million? Meanwhile billions of Android devices are still being sold.

If you ask customers they will say XP is the preferred OS. Change is not something they take likely and prefer XP on the desktop and Android elsewhere. Sales do not lie and HP doesn't want a non profitable market.

Mobius Enigma said,
Well, HP has done such a wonderful job of building Windows 8 hardware and making massive profits this last year. I'm sure they will continue to make more wise and brilliant decisions.
/s

Oh wait, their CEO hates Microsoft and purposely shunned Windows 8 hardware designs and they had a horrible year.

HP had several opportunities to OWN the Windows 8 tablet market, with strong TabletPC support that was still selling well for them, and then they were on board to make several Windows 7 tablets, and got money not to produce the Windows 7 tablets, which they killed and only released a small number of the promised model they showcased with Microsoft.

HP should have had the strongest competitive products to the MS Surface and instead of seeing tons of Dell and Lenovo tablets shipping, especially the new 8" devices, HP could have been ahead of the curve.

They screwed themselves going back to Windows 7 and screwed themselves even more with crap hardware not designed for Windows 8.

They screwed themselves over with WebOS.

sinetheo said,

What Windows 8 tablet market? The one where MS created 5 million units and sold only 1 million? Meanwhile billions of Android devices are still being sold.

If you ask customers they will say XP is the preferred OS. Change is not something they take likely and prefer XP on the desktop and Android elsewhere. Sales do not lie and HP doesn't want a non profitable market.

What? Where are people saying they want XP?

sinetheo said,

What Windows 8 tablet market? The one where MS created 5 million units and sold only 1 million? Meanwhile billions of Android devices are still being sold.

If you ask customers they will say XP is the preferred OS. Change is not something they take likely and prefer XP on the desktop and Android elsewhere. Sales do not lie and HP doesn't want a non profitable market.

Umm... Maybe they are refering to the one Dell and Lenovo are tapping into. The 8 inch tablet market.

Also, Lenovo increased sales this year and they sell Windows 8 machines. But they have way better hardware and designs. Makes sense people will buy from Lenovo and not HP. Not sure if it has much to do with Windows 8.

Scabrat said,

Umm... Maybe they are refering to the one Dell and Lenovo are tapping into. The 8 inch tablet market.

Also, Lenovo increased sales this year and they sell Windows 8 machines. But they have way better hardware and designs. Makes sense people will buy from Lenovo and not HP. Not sure if it has much to do with Windows 8.

Lenovo offers a lot of PCs without any operating systems in China. That's a huge market. They also offer windows 7 systems as well as new factors. But hands down I'd take a Lenovo over HP. My Lenovo "netbook" from 3 years ago is still kicking strong.

Oh yeah. Me too. I had an HP once. Lasted about 8 or 9 months. And Lenovo is selling Windows 7. I dont think its a bad idea at all. I love my Windows 8.1 but I understand people dont like it. =)

Scabrat said,
Oh yeah. Me too. I had an HP once. Lasted about 8 or 9 months. And Lenovo is selling Windows 7. I dont think its a bad idea at all. I love my Windows 8.1 but I understand people dont like it. =)
Funny thing is when I bought a netbook, I got the HP one but ended up returning it for a Lenovo 3 days later. I'd give Windows 8 a chance but got nothing to install it on. My iPhone, iPad and netbook do everything I need.

I have it on my desktop because it was cheap to buy when it was $40. And I got a Dell Venue 8 Pro for Christmas and its been pretty sweet to use =). It nice for me on both. I want to get a Leap Motion for my desktop now and try that for gestures and stuff.

Mobius Enigma said,
Well, HP has done such a wonderful job of building Windows 8 hardware and making massive profits this last year. I'm sure they will continue to make more wise and brilliant decisions.
/s

HP is neck and neck with lenovo for top spot in notebook market share, HP is #1 in desktop market share and #1 in server market share...yeah they are total idiots and don't know what they are doing...

Dot Matrix said,

What? Where are people saying they want XP?

Go read http://www.zdnet.com stories about XP eol? Users are furious at MS for taking their XP away and offer plans and advice on the holdouts.

I had a customer who had me buy 100 XP machines before EOL so he can continue to run the best OS ever in his opinion for another 15 years. He likes IE 8 because its the only browser left with bookmarks. Since he likes menus he assumes they are not there and anything newer would confuse his employees.

For fun go google site:wired.com XP eradication day and read comments? Very hostile towards Windows 7 or anything new! These aren't. Even luddites either

sinetheo said,

I had a customer who had me buy 100 XP machines before EOL so he can continue to run the best OS ever in his opinion for another 15 years. He likes IE 8 because its the only browser left with bookmarks.

I bet you can't wait for when he brings back that pile of virus and trojan infested hardware.

Leopard Seal said,

I bet you can't wait for when he brings back that pile of virus and trojan infested hardware.

You are right I don't. Did I mention I get paid by the hour with double for overtime in my contract? :-)

sinetheo said,

Go read http://www.zdnet.com stories about XP eol? Users are furious at MS for taking their XP away and offer plans and advice on the holdouts.

I had a customer who had me buy 100 XP machines before EOL so he can continue to run the best OS ever in his opinion for another 15 years. He likes IE 8 because its the only browser left with bookmarks. Since he likes menus he assumes they are not there and anything newer would confuse his employees.

For fun go google site:wired.com XP eradication day and read comments? Very hostile towards Windows 7 or anything new! These aren't. Even luddites either

You have a lot of misconceptions.

For example: HP is losing a lot of marketshare even after acquiring EDS and picking up thousands of new client contracts with 10 of thousands of seats. (I have worked with EDS for over 10 years,)

As for your customers, you are either failing to properly educated them or purposely leaving them grossly misinformed.

This type of nonsense reminds me of companies and 'consultants' that as late as 1998 were still pushing customers to Windows 3.1 to avoid the horrible Win9x and horrible NT. (Even selling systems with Windows 3.1 and then recommending they have 32mb or 64mb of RAM, while 3.1 can only use 16mb.)


Mobius Enigma said,

You have a lot of misconceptions.

For example: HP is losing a lot of marketshare even after acquiring EDS and picking up thousands of new client contracts with 10 of thousands of seats. (I have worked with EDS for over 10 years,)

As for your customers, you are either failing to properly educated them or purposely leaving them grossly misinformed.

This type of nonsense reminds me of companies and 'consultants' that as late as 1998 were still pushing customers to Windows 3.1 to avoid the horrible Win9x and horrible NT. (Even selling systems with Windows 3.1 and then recommending they have 32mb or 64mb of RAM, while 3.1 can only use 16mb.)


You can try to sell them on Windows 7. But what they have already works and they hear you trying to pull a fast one and being an all snake oil salesmen when you tell them to throw out good platforms and change all for the sake of change.

Windows 3.1 was a stable, mature platform that was well supported in the late 1990s which developers targetted. In the health industry you need FDA certification and have to throw out those perfectly working MRI scanners which use an outdated OS for another that already performs the same funciton. Why?

Not to say I would so at home, but the resistence to change by consumers and corps is because after years of crashing computers XP brought a standard that works. Do you not blame them of being afraid of change? It is not a minority too I may add! They do not go to neowin and know about security. All they know is with XP things finally started working as good as DOS finally! Those old apps make them money.

Windows 98 and NT were cutting edge, unproven, not certified to run their apps, and not all IT departments were trained back in the 1990s so a similiar situation. Of course back then people upgraded for the sake of upgrading more but could at least expect a HUGE difference. Besides eye candy and some geeks at some website called neowin it is all expense, hassle, pain, and no or a negative benefit over what they already have.

When they see those tiles and fancy animations of Windows 8 at the BestBuy they freak out! Their apps probably wont run! Their scsi scanner and printer wont work! It is too different, etc.

Look. The argument has been made MS needs to move to mobile and leave XP and Windows 7 behind. However, the customers love Android and IOS but still love XP too and think even Windows 7 is very radical change. MS needs a new strategy as PC users are stuborn and do nto want a Windows 8 tablet nor its UI on a work system.

sinetheo said,

Go read http://www.zdnet.com stories about XP eol? Users are furious at MS for taking their XP away and offer plans and advice on the holdouts.

I had a customer who had me buy 100 XP machines before EOL so he can continue to run the best OS ever in his opinion for another 15 years. He likes IE 8 because its the only browser left with bookmarks. Since he likes menus he assumes they are not there and anything newer would confuse his employees.

For fun go google site:wired.com XP eradication day and read comments? Very hostile towards Windows 7 or anything new! These aren't. Even luddites either

I find this all VERY hard to believe. It's not that friggin hard to click the star icon in the top right corner for a favorites menu.

sinetheo said,

What Windows 8 tablet market? The one where MS created 5 million units and sold only 1 million? Meanwhile billions of Android devices are still being sold.

If you ask customers they will say XP is the preferred OS. Change is not something they take likely and prefer XP on the desktop and Android elsewhere. Sales do not lie and HP doesn't want a non profitable market.

In the 7" product range, there are a lot of Android devices being sold.

You seem to be confused with Microsoft Surface and the other 'Tablet' and 2-1 Windows 8 devices being sold by other MFRs. I think you will find companies that have offered well designed products like Lenovo and Dell have done ok, and with Windows 8.1 and the new 8" class devices are doing really well.

Microsoft needs to be in mobile. If the OEMs won't go there with them, then Microsoft will need to continue to build hardware that will (i.e., like building its own laptops).

cybersaurusrex said,
Microsoft needs to be in mobile. If the OEMs won't go there with them, then Microsoft will need to continue to build hardware that will (i.e., like building its own laptops).

Why would MSFT need to make their own laptops? That doesn't compute.

Hmm, I think metro as a design style is perfect, I think Microsoft need to redesign the rest of windows, the entire desktop needs to be rebuilt to allow scalability and multiple input methods also I think the entire desktop should disappear when needed and all legacy admin tools should be metro only, the desktop should just be an app for advanced multitasking and be better suited to pointer driven controls (but also have a touch friendly mode).

I think Microsoft knows exactly where its going with windows, its just a shame that people aren't as open minded, the only thing stifling Microsoft's innovation are people who don't like change, I can't for the life of me understand why people prefer the old start menu to the new one, or why Microsoft was forced to drop innovative Xbox one features.

I think we should all just trust Microsoft's judgement, if they know one thing its how to design amazing software.

Attiq said,
Hmm, I think metro as a design style is perfect,
And how many OSs have you used since you first touched a mouse an keyboard?

Most of us are trying to make our companies profitable with the hardware and software we possess. So, when an OS's UI is counterproductive, it makes no sense to embrace it. Windows-7 and XP are working just fine. Of course, Microsoft could use Windows-9 to fix the mess they created.

Lol don't worry, the usual flurry will be here soon to defend it saying it's a bogus study, not relevant, etc.

Remember - this is the business/corporate/enterprise line of PCs pushing 7; these are not AIOs, or even models with features that Windows 8, let alone 8.1, can use (the Pavilion AIOs and TouchSmart line still ship with Windows 8.1 today; only the TouchSmart line dates back to 7, and shipped with that OS as standard). Further, HP took it on the chin sales-wise during the Great Recession - how much of this push is simply clearing out leftover inventory?

Therein lies the point that MS seems to be missing. Windows-7 is for the business/enterprise venue with Windows-8 for the consumer venue. Windows-9 provides MS with the opportunity to retain the business/enterprise venue. Hint: don't forget the important of being able to choose the UI!

Very smart decision. To all the Windows 8 defenders here, shutup, even Microsoft realize their mistake, case in point: Windows 9.

Win 9 will just be more improvements to Win 8. Same as 8.1. It's basically Win 8.2 and they've not even started work on it yet. As with 8.1 they will just have a year to work on it. Go back to your cave and Win 3.1.

the only thing we know for certain about Windows 9 is that it's name isn't going to be something like "Windows 8.x" It may be a small of a change as letting the user decide which GUI to use (Desktop vs. Modern). Or, it may a completely different OS.
If I had to bet, with such a close release date, the OS will essentially be one that gives the user the ability which GUI they want to use (either during install/setup, or as a setting they can switch between in the control panel)

NoClipMode said,
Win 9 will just be more improvements to Win 8. It's basically Win 8.2 and they've not even started work on it yet. Go back to your cave and Win 3.1.

We are all entitled to express our wish but..... Please do not portrait yours as a fact. You, as well as me, are not privy to MS future plans, and if we were we would not, obviously I would add, be publicly speaking about.

Windows 7 doesn't help Microsoft be competitive in a world where PC sales are declining and mobile computing in increasing. Their future is in a touch based OS like Windows 8, clinging to the past wont get them anywhere.

Mr. Dee said,
Very smart decision. To all the Windows 8 defenders here, shutup, even Microsoft realize their mistake, case in point: Windows 9.

"To anyone who doesn't agree with my opinion - shutup."

Mr. Dee said,
Very smart decision. To all the Windows 8 defenders here, shutup, even Microsoft realize their mistake, case in point: Windows 9.

So by your logic, every version of Windows was a mistake, because it was superseded by a newer version?

Also all I'm hearing is "anyone who disagrees with me, shut up because my own argument is too flimsy to withstand any counter argument"

Windows 9 is really 8.2. They will pay attention to both Metro (2.0) and Desktop by fusing both worlds together as far as design language/cohesion goes. The only reason why they're calling it 9 is to distance themselves from the bad name 8 has garnered. Just like 7 was named so to distance itself from Vista... doesn't mean Vista was as bad as people thought (nor is 8) and remember there would have been no 7 hadn't it been for the advances in Vista.

History repeats itself and people will be proven as ignorant as ever. Me>XP = Vista>7 = 8>9.

We will see if its a smart decision. I just think HP makes garbage products that people dont want. I am not saying offering Windows 7 is a bad thing but it could just be they cant make PCs people want to buy so they offer Windows 7. In other words, a gimmick.

efjay said,
Windows 7 doesn't help Microsoft be competitive in a world where PC sales are declining and mobile computing in increasing. Their future is in a touch based OS like Windows 8, clinging to the past wont get them anywhere.

Unless of course the PC doesn't have a touch screen.

Mr. Dee said,
Very smart decision. To all the Windows 8 defenders here, shutup, even Microsoft realize their mistake, case in point: Windows 9.

To the Windows 8 whiners, shut up.

So in your case, shut up.

Mr. Dee said,
Very smart decision. To all the Windows 8 defenders here, shutup, even Microsoft realize their mistake, case in point: Windows 9.
It was announced quote some time ago that the release cycle between major version would be around 2 years. Windows 9 will be an evolution of 8, not a rewind to 7. 8 is a far better OS then 7 in most any way.

Touch interfaces on desktop computers make no sense. Not everyone's desktop computer monitor is a touch screen.
What Microsoft is doing by moving from the classical and more usable desktop UI to a touch UI is transitioning themselves to a devices and services company. Windows 8 and above are designed for Microsoft's own purpose. It neglects what OEMs want. Hence this decision by HP.
Not everyone just wants to play computer games and browse youtube and facebook. "Ancient" UIs happen to be more usable for people who simply want to be productive.

Edited by Hussam Al-tayeb, Jan 20 2014, 7:37am :

NoClipMode said,
Win 9 will just be more improvements to Win 8. Same as 8.1. It's basically Win 8.2 and they've not even started work on it yet. As with 8.1 they will just have a year to work on it. Go back to your cave and Win 3.1.

Oh please, if they bring back the start menu and being able to run metro applications in desktop mode they've more or less thrown in the towel and given up on the wet dram fantasy of "metro everywhere even where it makes absolutely no practical sense what so ever".

NoClipMode said,
Win 9 will just be more improvements to Win 8. Same as 8.1. It's basically Win 8.2 and they've not even started work on it yet. As with 8.1 they will just have a year to work on it. Go back to your cave and Win 3.1.

not liking windows 8.1 doesnt make him a "caveman"

i use windows 8.1 and i dont really like it, im considering trying out linux again, not that it will work or my apps will work on it

HP has also offered pre-installed Linux desktops "by popular demand." Alone, it just means there's a sizable enough group that they can make money from by marketing the product. If you want to be proven right, HP should release sales figures that show new W7 desktops are outselling new W8 desktops.

Hussam Al-tayeb said,
Touch interfaces on desktop computers make no sense. Not everyone's desktop computer monitor is a touch screen.

Totally off topic, but this 'logic' cracks me up. It completely explains why MS bundle Kinect2.0 with every XBOX ONE, yet they get **** on for that too.

How about everyone STFU and realize that MS have to cater to everyone and in doing so will agitate some of you.

I personally like the options.