HP Slate cancelled?

Today has not been good to tablet devices. After Microsoft announces the end of their Courier project, TechCrunch reveals that sources close to HP are now saying that their upcoming HP Slate has also been canned.

First announced by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer earlier this year at CES 2010, the HP Slate was intended to run Windows 7 with a capacitive multi-touch display in a compact slate form factor. Insider sources now reveal that HP was not entirely satisfied with the OS and decided to cancel the product. What exactly they were unsatisfied with is unknown, though early speculation reasons that unsatisfactory battery life and user experience issues could have played a leading role. 

With their recent Palm acquisition, HP could be shifting their roadmap towards webOS and ARM-based devices instead. A move like that would make the most sense and kill two birds with one stone, as mobile ARM processors are extremely efficient and webOS very user friendly and light.

A move to to ARM would also rule out the possibility of running Windows natively on the device, as Microsoft’s flagship operating system is based on x86 architecture.

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I don't know why microsofts courier keeps coming up. IT WAS NOT REAL. Ever. They keep fooling people with speculation and people keep getting Teary eyed when their concepts go poof.

Probably not a bad idea to wait and see how well the ipad does this year. The netbook (although not the same thing) had a roaring year and some months but now has a very saturated market that is less appealing. The ipad has some momentum now, but who knows if there is still as much momentum next year with the ipad 2g. I have a feeling everyone will be shrugging like they are with netbooks now. Sure, the market will still exist. But it won't be as big as the smartphone market has been and will continue to be. IMHO

Strange, Paul Thurrott is saying this is essentially BS and HP have never said a thing about cancelling it. Just rumours.

Microsoft should have worked on designing a Tablet OS just as Apple did with the iPad.

Windows 7 OS just wont give you the same performance and battery life when running on a small tablet.

They figured that out and got out of the market.

I really hope that HP does something good with Palm and comes back as a stronger competitor.

Euphoria said,
Microsoft should have worked on designing a Tablet OS just as Apple did with the iPad.

Windows 7 OS just wont give you the same performance and battery life when running on a small tablet.

They figured that out and got out of the market.

I really hope that HP does something good with Palm and comes back as a stronger competitor.

Not to mention the security control you can put in place. Windows lets programs get to much control of the OS. It is why the Mobile OS's are so secure.

Ipad FTW!

It had to be said. Oh and now you all are saying put Android on it. So the Ipad is just a big Iphone or Ipod touch but a slate with Android is something new and exciting. Yeah, right.

yuggg said,
Ipad FTW!

It had to be said. Oh and now you all are saying put Android on it. So the Ipad is just a big Iphone or Ipod touch but a slate with Android is something new and exciting. Yeah, right.

Well, Courier is dead, Slate is dead, JooJoo should just die, and we purchased an iPad. Looks like we chose right!

Do we get a prize or something? Neowin?

I am curious to see what HP will do with WebOS tho, that would be an interesting OS to have on a tablet device.

designgears said,

Well, Courier is dead, Slate is dead, JooJoo should just die, and we purchased an iPad. Looks like we chose right!

Do we get a prize or something? Neowin?

I am curious to see what HP will do with WebOS tho, that would be an interesting OS to have on a tablet device.

You chose "right" by purchasing a product you like... *gasp*

I've been working on a design for a hybrid of Windows 7 and something a little more mobile friendly. No details revealed here though and no I don't work for Microsoft so it's nothing official or real. Just something that I will submit to them when I'm done with it.

I think the problem is the bad programming skills of HP for their touch skin software. We've seen other tablets running windows 7 and it was snappy and fast as with netbooks. But HP wanted to put one of those touch interfaces on top, like the ones they put in their Touchsmart line of PCs, and heck they are laggy and slow. If you can run games fast in the same platform, with 3D rendering and more complex stuff, why a simple touch GUI is so laggy? The answer is incompetent programming, the same incompetence most hardware manufacturers show when programming all the bloatware they ship in their products, supposedly to make it 'better'. That's why my first task when I buy a new computer is remove all bloatware.

Charles Keledjian said,
I think the problem is the bad programming skills of HP for their touch skin software. We've seen other tablets running windows 7 and it was snappy and fast as with netbooks. But HP wanted to put one of those touch interfaces on top, like the ones they put in their Touchsmart line of PCs, and heck they are laggy and slow. If you can run games fast in the same platform, with 3D rendering and more complex stuff, why a simple touch GUI is so laggy? The answer is incompetent programming, the same incompetence most hardware manufacturers show when programming all the bloatware they ship in their products, supposedly to make it 'better'. That's why my first task when I buy a new computer is remove all bloatware.

I completely concure. I own an archos 9 (retail around $580 U.S.) and it is as snappy as any netbook and runs all of the apps I want (not apple "crap" store) plus it has a usb port and windows 7 (cause apple doesn't have an app for that), and included .mkv support and I run a sprint 3g usb reciever with full coverage in my entire area, my only beef was win7 starter but I got a deal with anytime upgrade to home premium (60 bucks) and I still manage 4-5 hours of battery even with areo enabled. I'll bet they added all of the usual crap and bricked the atom powered device which is like you said, bad programming by a company interested in milking all the money out of bloatware vendors they can and to hell with user experiance.

First the Courier and now this?

So slates are dying already then? At least for me, I don't want a giant mobile phone without the ability calling...

First the Courier and now this?

So slates are dying already then? At least for me, I don't want a giant mobile phone without the ability calling...

I hate to Admit that. But, with these moves by HP and Microsoft proved that the iPad is the right move and right design. But, deep down all pc users believe that Slate is how a tablet should be. Oh, let Steve Jobs win.

satus said,
I hate to Admit that. But, with these moves by HP and Microsoft proved that the iPad is the right move and right design. But, deep down all pc users believe that Slate is how a tablet should be. Oh, let Steve Jobs win.

this was also my first thought

satus said,
I hate to Admit that. But, with these moves by HP and Microsoft proved that the iPad is the right move and right design. But, deep down all pc users believe that Slate is how a tablet should be. Oh, let Steve Jobs win.

I think the opposite, may be they analyzed the iPad trend and found that the customers don't want to spend money in such kind of products. iPad users are mostly fanboys that would purchase almost any new Apple product.

Guys face it, until battery technology or the processors that full OS's run on change, its just not feasible to have a device of this size running one. Mobile OS's on these devices is where its at now and for the foreseeable future.

Take this hp slate, put a snapdragon in it with WP7 to give it all day battery life and ill turn it into a true competitor for the ipad. You want a full OS? F/O and go buy a HP 1200 or Dell XT or one of the many other failed incarnations out there.

My hat goes off to HP for making a bold yet right move. Unlike MS who need to be stoned for cancelling the courier.

My hat goes off to HP for making a bold yet right move. Unlike MS who need to be stoned for cancelling the courier.

Oh so its fine for HP to cancel a device due to battery life concerns, and they get props for it. But dear god if Microsoft cancels a device due to battery life or cost concerns, they deserve to be stoned for it

/- Razorfold said,

Oh so its fine for HP to cancel a device due to battery life concerns, and they get props for it. But dear god if Microsoft cancels a device due to battery life or cost concerns, they deserve to be stoned for it

A hypocrite on the internet? no wai

Fair point I guess I would accept poor battery life from the courier due to the fact that I think it would have been quite bold and innovative *hardware+software combined*, although given that it was rumoured to run on a version of WINCE I question if battery life concerns were the case. More likely the inability to produce it at a mass-consumer friendly price point.

WebOS is an amazing OS and could easily compete with Apple, with Flash coming, and the best mobile browser on the market, as well as universal search, quick app development and the integration of different email and PIM services (running Google services and Outlook is excellent for users) it could easily make an excellent OS for a tablet.

Plus it's very easy to hack, with it being linux based but unlike Linux has excellent usability and is very intuitive as a result.

Good this should be canned. It had the large commerical failure of every other full OS tablet written all over it. I would prefer to see a WP7 tablet but a WebOS one would certainly be a good start.

Everyone at CES 2010 was expecting the "Courier" to be released instead they got this lot. Just another piece of equipment, nothing that you would lose sleep over. Whereas everyone (including me) was wanting the "Courier". Maybe now that this Toshiba product is coming out it might be what was wanted as it supposedly a joint thing with MS.

I'm inclined to call bullsh!t on this one. I find it highly unlikely that they'd cancel it after the demos and promotion they've done, let alone their announcement at CES. Delay it into oblivion, perhaps, but not cancel. I guess we'll know tomorrow, since HP will basically be forced to make an announcement either way to confirm or deny it.

Microsoft's Courier, in contrast, was never officially announced to begin with. Most of what we saw was *leaked*, not *released*, and there was never the promise of a real device that one could actually buy.

Indeed. Where's the confirmation from anyone anywhere? Techcrunch is not an authoritative news source by any stretch of the imagination.

Expectable... Windows 7-based pads have not a single chance against ARM-based devices. Probably, Windows Phone 7 will good for them

cpu said,
Expectable... Windows 7-based pads have not a single chance against ARM-based devices. Probably, Windows Phone 7 will good for them

Exactly.

cpu said,
Expectable... Windows 7-based pads have not a single chance against ARM-based devices. Probably, Windows Phone 7 will good for them

+1

I think this could be good. There are Win7 tablets out there, Archos 7/9 for example(cant remember if the 7 uses Win7 or android). Its slightly more expensive than an ipad, but so much better in general because of the freedom it gives. I think also, that the tablet market may be similar to the netbook market, where everyone buys em up now, and down the raid sales dropd because theyre not as good as they are not as useful to the mainstream as people originally though. Out of the dozens of people i know that bought netbooks, only one really sticks to his. Another uses it as an mp3 player on the bus temporarily cause his mp3 player broke. Most of the people who quit using their netbooks, lack of power, small screen.

they better just be remaking the slate with webOS and using another name (although slate would have been good)

Quite excited to see what they do with their Palm acquisition. The idea of having to use Windows with a touch screen seemed like it would be a massive chor.

When in the hands of journalists it wasn't exactly great anyway was it. Windows 7 still in my view, just doesn't work well with touch and tablets. It is certainly better than Vista ever was but going for OS's designed directly and only for touch is the way to go for these devices.

Byron_Hinson said,
When in the hands of journalists it wasn't exactly great anyway was it. Windows 7 still in my view, just doesn't work well with touch and tablets. It is certainly better than Vista ever was but going for OS's designed directly and only for touch is the way to go for these devices.

Well, it was laggy... And as HP created an interface themselves that allowed the user to interact with Windows (Rather than just use Windows), AND previous attempts HP has made at doing this were laggy... My guess is that this was in fact the issue... Windows 7 and touch isn't bad at all... Though I still feel that an OS designed for the way someone uses a slate / tablet makes more sense...

Byron_Hinson said,
When in the hands of journalists it wasn't exactly great anyway was it. Windows 7 still in my view, just doesn't work well with touch and tablets. It is certainly better than Vista ever was but going for OS's designed directly and only for touch is the way to go for these devices.

Windows 7 isn't the problem, it works perfectly fine on touchscreen laptops and desktops as a touch-based OS, it's the lack of hardware that they're able to get into the device for iPad level prices, which of course will change.

Every company keeps complaining about the competition but instead on doing something about it just keep helping then to get bigger and better.

They announce this after just acquiring Palm. So my guess is, yes the HP Slate with Windows 7 is dead, but the HP Web OS slate has only begun.

HP's second good move this week so. From the early reports, appears using an Atom CPU + full blown windows wasn't good enough in terms of usability and battery life.

I believe HP acquired Palm to get WebOS, not for smart phones, though they may continue, but more for the Slate and potentially their netbooks. HP Slate with ARM and WebOS should be much better than Atom and Windows

haha - anyone who thinks HP can breathe life into the Palm & Palm OS is just crazy.
The tribe has spoken. HP has just burnt a lot of cash for no reason.

At least if it ran Windows it would have been guaranteed success almost by default. Puttin Palm OS on an ARM platform is worse than trying to run linux on it!

Edited by dvb2000, Apr 30 2010, 7:25am :

dvb2000 said,
haha - anyone who thinks HP can breathe life into the Palm & Palm OS is just crazy.
The tribe has spoken. HP has just burnt a lot of cash for no reason.

At least if it ran Windows it would have been guaranteed success almost by default. Puttin Palm OS on an ARM platform is worse than trying to run linux on it!

What would be so bad about running linux on it?

warwagon said,
They announce this after just acquiring Palm. So my guess is, yes the HP Slate with Windows 7 is dead, but the HP Web OS slate has only begun.

Yeah, I would have to agree...

dvb2000 said,

At least if it ran Windows it would have been guaranteed success almost by default. Puttin Palm OS on an ARM platform is worse than trying to run linux on it!

A guaranteed success in the segment of the market that Neowin represents, which is miniscule.

jasondefaoite said,
HP's second good move this week so. From the early reports, appears using an Atom CPU + full blown windows wasn't good enough in terms of usability and battery life.

why not?.
The last generation of netbook feature up to 12 hours of battery life plus is able to run without any problem windows 7 (with aero activated).

dvb2000 said,
haha - anyone who thinks HP can breathe life into the Palm & Palm OS is just crazy.
The tribe has spoken. HP has just burnt a lot of cash for no reason.

At least if it ran Windows it would have been guaranteed success almost by default. Puttin Palm OS on an ARM platform is worse than trying to run linux on it!

Breathe life into? It's widely considered to be a well done operating system - just poorly marketed. It's not Palm OS we're talking about here, it's WebOS, the OS from the Pre and the Pixi.

As for it running Windows, guaranteeing it success - Windows slates and tablets have not been overly successful, at all. You rarely see them around.

WebOS runs beautifully on ARM, as does Linux.

I hope your comment was sarcastic.

excalpius said,

People want a slate PC that runs Windows applications.

Then why haven't they been buying them?