Internet Explorer 9 beta due on September 15

Microsoft said on Thursday that it plans to release a beta of Internet Explorer 9 on September 15.

Invites for a web IE9 beta event were sent out to members of the press on Thursday. According to sources familiar with Microsoft's Internet Explorer 9 plans, the company is planning a minimalist user interface for the next generation Internet Explorer. The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9 but instead it will stick to a simplistic UI similar to that of Google's Chrome. However, still expect some very unique UI features in Internet Explorer 9.

Screenshots of an early Internet Explorer 9 build leaked to the web last month. The leak confirmed Microsoft's plans for a download manager in Internet Explorer 9. Many believed the screenshots were fake but Neowin confirmed the screenshots as genuine images. Microsoft revealed the official logo for Internet Explorer 9 today, which was featured in the leaked screenshots. The logo can be found on Microsoft's beauty of the web page setup for the IE9 event.

Microsoft originally unveiled Internet Explorer 9 at PDC 2009. IE 9 will take advantage of the power of the GPU for all page rendering and developers can exploit this using CSS, DHTMLandjavascript. A new JS engine (codenamed Chakra) will also be built into Internet Explorer 9 with greater interoperability and standards support all round. Features such as rounded cornerCSS support will be built in. In January, Neowin revealed that Microsoft is planning to enhance tabbed browsing in IE9. According to a software patent, the Quick Tabs feature in Internet Explorer is likely to be enhanced with better functionality and greater tab management options.

Microsoft is also planning broader support for HTML5 in Internet Explorer 9 through its new script engine. Microsoft recently performed W3C Web Standards tests on IE9, including HTML5, SVG 1.1 2nd edition, CSS3 media queries, CSS3 borders & backgrounds, CSS3 selectors, DOM level 3 core, DOM level 3 events and DOM level 2 style. Microsoft, with the help of W3C, performed a total of 192 tests on a variety of browsers. Internet Explorer 9 scored 100% in all eight tests, while every other browser, except Firefox in DOM level 2 style tests, didn't score perfect in any of the test categories.

Microsoft originally began scouting for Internet Explorer 9 beta testers in March. In an email to testers, Justin Saint Clair - Program Manager of Internet Explorer invited testers to join a "select group of IE9 Tech Feedback participants."

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The current UI is fine, it's pretty clean and minimal.There's room for improvement though, like redesigning the status bar to give more page view state.

New tabs must be opened in an eyeblink and not take more than a second to get up and ready.

And hopefully better tab management means more control over how 'open in a new tab ' works.

I don't like the way MS is slowly getting rid of the nice Vista icons and replacing them with simpler ones. Seems like a bit of a step backward to me. I really like the current IE logo.

And please MS don't put the metro UI on IE. Something more shiny please.

somethingelse said,
I don't like the way MS is slowly getting rid of the nice Vista icons and replacing them with simpler ones. Seems like a bit of a step backward to me. I really like the current IE logo.

And please MS don't put the metro UI on IE. Something more shiny please.

Exactly my words. They are reverting back to simple cartoon like icons. You can see that also on Live essetials icons, or new WordPad, Paint, Sticky Notes or Calculator. I must say i am very dissapointed with this approach. How they wanna compete with Apple when they are replacing Aero icons with this new lame Luna 2 crap?

6205 said,

Exactly my words. They are reverting back to simple cartoon like icons. You can see that also on Live essetials icons, or new WordPad, Paint, Sticky Notes or Calculator. I must say i am very dissapointed with this approach. How they wanna compete with Apple when they are replacing Aero icons with this new lame Luna 2 crap?


Same thoughts here.

That new IE9 icon is IMO horrible. Even old IE6 luna style icon was better. It will be completely inconsistant with rest of the photo-realistic Aero icons..

I am not very pleased. I tested several MS Beta versions in the past, e.g. Live Messenger and Office, a public beta meant always "Product is finished, please report bugs.". Feature requests between the puplic beta and the final got always a "This behavior is by design" answer.
BUT performance and standards, how important is this for daily use? The GUI is equal or more important. If the GUI from MS is not very good, the users should work with an ugly GUI until IE10.0 ?

This seems to happen on a constant bases with Internet Explorer. They will release a new version and it will work well for a few months. Next thing you know, the browser starts freezing up and you are faced with a white screen where you have to shut it down and restart it. I have noticed this since Internet Explorer 6. Don't get me wrong, internet explorer has come quite a ways but there seems to be a little trouble with consistency when working like it should.

JSYOUNG571 said,
This seems to happen on a constant bases with Internet Explorer. They will release a new version and it will work well for a few months. Next thing you know, the browser starts freezing up and you are faced with a white screen where you have to shut it down and restart it. I have noticed this since Internet Explorer 6. Don't get me wrong, internet explorer has come quite a ways but there seems to be a little trouble with consistency when working like it should.

I have to use IE8 10 hours a day, 5 days a week... and I haven't had it white screen on me. It's stability is on par with basically anything else out there.

JSYOUNG571 said,
This seems to happen on a constant bases with Internet Explorer. They will release a new version and it will work well for a few months. Next thing you know, the browser starts freezing up and you are faced with a white screen where you have to shut it down and restart it. I have noticed this since Internet Explorer 6. Don't get me wrong, internet explorer has come quite a ways but there seems to be a little trouble with consistency when working like it should.

I've seen that happen ... on Windows XP with Internet Explorer 6

Yes, looking forward to it here as well. I only wish my job would update from XP. I have a feeling IE9 won't be running on it.

Ethere said,
Yes, looking forward to it here as well. I only wish my job would update from XP. I have a feeling IE9 won't be running on it.

Indeed, IE9 will only be on Vista and newer, due to the lack of some necessary architectural differences between XP and Vista/7
For example, the type of hardware acceleration that IE9 employs require all of what WPF has to offer (an goes deeper than what FF can do for hardware acceleration)

The sandboxing modes of Vista and 7 are also important in making sure IE9 is secure (IE8 and Chrome running under Windows 7, and only Windows 7 are the two most secure browsers out there right now)

Sraf said,
For example, the type of hardware acceleration that IE9 employs require all of what WPF has to offer (an goes deeper than what FF can do for hardware acceleration)
WPF is not used by IE. WPF is a UI framework for .NET, and irrelevant for native code (all of Windows, including IE, is native code.)


What it uses is Direct2D, which is a wrapper for Direct3D that offers basic 2D drawing functions, and DirectWrite which is a text renderer for Direct2D. This is the exact same thing Firefox uses, and there is nothing special about IE. It does not have access to anything the competitors don't. It just uses standard Windows APIs.

I don't really care about the UI, as long as they continue to make good strides towards CSS3 standards and hardware & javascript acceleration. The last preview added box-shadow support with border-radius support added in previous builds. Now if they add text-shadow support, I'll be very pleased with new version, but it's doing pretty darn good so far.

Glen said,
I don't really care about the UI, as long as they continue to make good strides towards CSS3 standards and hardware & javascript acceleration. The last preview added box-shadow support with border-radius support added in previous builds. Now if they add text-shadow support, I'll be very pleased with new version, but it's doing pretty darn good so far.

I agree with you. I cannot wait to see what they do with GPU & JavaScript acceleration. Those two features should be game changers. As for security it has been shown that IE is almost as good as Chrome with it's sandbox.

CarlMS said,
In regards to the UI from what I've been told (not shown, darn NDA!) is that it's "very white".

I hope it's like Office 2010 white. While I don't want the Ribbon, Office 2010 manages to pull off a nice White+Aero look.

About time! Can't wait to see how it performs. At the very least it will make things a lot easier for web developers like me

I don't think MS is going to bring an earth shattering UI. Probably will be just like IE8 with a few minor tweaks. Each revision of IE is more evolutionary than revolutionary new.

what makes any of you think microsoft will use the metro UI in this? if they even think of implementing that horrid UI in anything windows ill switch to osx86 or linux for good. plus the fact i have not used IE in about 3 years, i even uninstalled it from windows 7.

smooth3006 said,
what makes any of you think microsoft will use the metro UI in this? if they even think of implementing that horrid UI in anything windows ill switch to osx86 or linux for good. plus the fact i have not used IE in about 3 years, i even uninstalled it from windows 7.
Not that i find Metro ugly, but it wouldn't look good on Windows. I also don't understand why people think Microsoft would put the Metro UI in all of their upcoming apps. It's not like they've used previous Windows Mobile UI's throughout Windows o_O

TechDudeGeorge said,
Wait so if the screenshots are real... Does that mean we have a chance of a new UI or not. I just want a new UI!

That's an early build of IE9. Remember that early build of Windows 7 look more like Windows Vista than Windows 7 RTM.

For some reason I am not very excited at the prospect of IE9. I feel as if other companies will overtake IE in a matter of months. Firefox and Chrome have constant updates helping the program grow bigger and better. Don't get me wrong, I understand that IE updates come from the Windows Update system, I just feel MS won't be able to compete unless their team grows bigger and more updates become available.

Trikstaa said,
For some reason I am not very excited at the prospect of IE9. I feel as if other companies will overtake IE in a matter of months. Firefox and Chrome have constant updates helping the program grow bigger and better. Don't get me wrong, I understand that IE updates come from the Windows Update system, I just feel MS won't be able to compete unless their team grows bigger and more updates become available.

That one could be a problem. MS should switch to smaller updates for IE - and Live btw. - else they will be behind the others forever. Waiting for 3-4 years on a free products update is not really acceptable if there are so many strong competitors.

MFH said,

That one could be a problem. MS should switch to smaller updates for IE - and Live btw. - else they will be behind the others forever. Waiting for 3-4 years on a free products update is not really acceptable if there are so many strong competitors.

Live apps took longer than expected because it's not just 1 or 2 apps, it's alot of them + services. You can't, though I guess you can, roll out updates to only 1 or 2 apps/services and then have some newer and some be the old version. So the holdup was getting all of them ready to roll out together. Hotmail went first, apps soon after.

As for IE, it did switch, in a way, every 8 weeks we got a platform preview, I think they'll stick to this sorta schedule from now on even after IE9. Notice how we're more or less getting IE9 b1 8 weeks after PP4, so I think we could get beta 2 or maybe rc1 8 weeks after beta 1 and so on. That's a pretty tight and fast schedule imo.

GP007 said,
As for IE, it did switch, in a way, every 8 weeks we got a platform preview, I think they'll stick to this sorta schedule from now on even after IE9. Notice how we're more or less getting IE9 b1 8 weeks after PP4, so I think we could get beta 2 or maybe rc1 8 weeks after beta 1 and so on. That's a pretty tight and fast schedule imo.
I think he means what happens after it's released. After IE9 is released, it will probably be a long time until we see anything related to IE10. It's not very likely that we'll see a 9.1, 9.2. Microsoft doesn't do that.

They should allow the option for the user to select the UI they want: classic, Ribon, Metro or other.

That would be a great surprise and a way to differentiate their product.

Kuraj said,

Mixed feelings about it.

It's not terrible, I can clearly see where Microsoft is trying to go with transition from glossy Vista icons to more soft 7 style.

But it didn't turn out very well either :\

I think it was designed to go well with the new windows 7 icons. Look at the explorer or calculator or paint icon. They are simple, with light colors.

Quite excited to give it a go. Seems it will be quite hard to put down considering what they have been putting into it and the tests it is passing with flying colours. I do love Firefox add ons which would be hard to let go, I need to see add on support like Firefox and Chrome before I would go full time to IE9 if it turns out to be good.

Minimal interface is fine as long as there are some expert controls underneath for those of us that like to customise. Still think IE9 should have been released for XP (even as basic version) just so MS doesn't lose market share as they are so hard to get back. Im an full time IE user with FF and Chrome installed as well.

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
I can't believe I'm saying this... But I might actually load IE9 onto my computer. You know... Just to see what it looks like

LOL! Hey, there is no shame in trying a browser if it is good!

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
I can't believe I'm saying this... But I might actually load IE9 onto my computer. You know... Just to see what it looks like

Why can't you believe you're saying that? What's wrong with Internet Explorer at a principal level? It's not a dirty idea or something.

MS Pandya said,

Why can't you believe you're saying that? What's wrong with Internet Explorer at a principal level? It's not a dirty idea or something.

I've tried every version, but for myself, I despised using it. The UI was confused and lathargic. Performance was subpar. It lacked important features other offered.

thealexweb said,
No scenic ribbon?

The ribbon makes sense in a product like Office.
It does not make sense for a web browser. A ribbon UI for IE 9 would only waste screen estate.

Mephistopheles said,

The ribbon makes sense in a product like Office.
It does not make sense for a web browser. A ribbon UI for IE 9 would only waste screen estate.

I'm not sure really, I like it in Office 2010 and the new Windows Live apps.

Mephistopheles said,

The ribbon makes sense in a product like Office.
It does not make sense for a web browser. A ribbon UI for IE 9 would only waste screen estate.

I would prefer a ribbon UI that had live tab tiles on the ribbon. A more 3D ribbon would fit just fine. Opera has their tabs bar like that now, it works well in their browser.

Electric Jolt said,
I would prefer a ribbon UI that had live tab tiles on the ribbon. A more 3D ribbon would fit just fine. Opera has their tabs bar like that now, it works well in their browser.
What you describe would not be a Ribbon. It would also be a little dumb. Are you going to have a home tab with a giant oversized address bar in it, and then another tab with thumbnail previews in it?


Microsoft is going to be using standard Windows features, which means the taskbar thumbnail previews.

Mephistopheles said,

The ribbon makes sense in a product like Office.
It does not make sense for a web browser. A ribbon UI for IE 9 would only waste screen estate.

And it doesn't in WordPad or MS Paint? Don't underestimate Microsoft's urge to change an UI just for the sake of it.

Northgrove said,

And it doesn't in WordPad or MS Paint? Don't underestimate Microsoft's urge to change an UI just for the sake of it.

Microsoft has already tried Ribbons in an old IE8 beta - everybody involved hated the idea!

thealexweb said,
No scenic ribbon?

I think the Ribbon would make sense for a tabs-on-top UI, where the tabs make up different sections of the Ribbon.

lordcanti86 said,

I think the Ribbon would make sense for a tabs-on-top UI, where the tabs make up different sections of the Ribbon.

Well, that's basically the base idea behind the ribbon anyways (tabs on top), but at the same time it doesn't fit per se. I think MS can use the ribbon, but not on the main IE9 UI, more in the Internet Options UI which needs to change already, it's been the same old one since IE6 iirc. If anything I think that part of the app needs a redo first.

They say minimulist, like chrome for example, so I think you can take the IE8 UI, move the tabs on top, get rid of the buttens (or most of them) that are to the right of the tabs, and move all of those into a main IE button/menu like what FF/Opera have (which I remember seeing in office 2k7 first, though it's a big round button there), to save space. You can turn the fav bar off by default to save space though I hope it's still here cuz I use it and love it for all my RSS feeds etc.

In the end I think you have more or less a cut down, more streamlined version of the IE8 UI with a main IE9 menu button or w/e that holds everything in one location.

thealexweb said,
I'm not sure really, I like it in Office 2010 and the new Windows Live apps.

But how would you go about doing it? The use of Ribbon is if you have a tonne of features you want organised in a logical and coherent way - a browser is a pretty basic application which is the reason why notepad wasn't given an ribbon where as wordpad was.

winlonghorn said,
Yes!!!! I am very happy about this news! Can't wait!

+1 especially since i've always thought IE was crap and i'm curious about this one.
hopefully they don't screw it up with some last-minute surprise.

thartist said,

+1 especially since i've always thought IE was crap and i'm curious about this one.
hopefully they don't screw it up with some last-minute surprise.

Exactly! I am praying with all that I have that they do this right the whole way.

"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Probably looks just like IE8.

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Could be a new UI, or something like a different MS program. I just want a new UI.

TechDudeGeorge said,

Could be a new UI, or something like a different MS program. I just want a new UI.

Yes. Such a drastic redesign deserves a drastic change from the stale old IE8.

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Quoting DrHouse: you're an idiot.
Metro nor Ribbon fit this kind of program no matter how you try to slap them to it. Some Metro-ish mixture of Metro and classic is very possible however, i very much dare to anticipate.

thartist said,

Quoting DrHouse: you're an idiot.
Metro nor Ribbon fit this kind of program no matter how you try to slap them to it. Some Metro-ish mixture of Metro and classic is very possible however, i very much dare to anticipate.

+1

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS
Taken a look at Windows Explorer lately? The current design (which was revamped around the same time as the Ribbon was introduced) fits nicely into Windows.


You can't say the same for Metro (how would that even look?), and the Ribbon is not designed for an application like IE (take a look at the UX guide, it's not just a general replacement for all menus and toolbars.)

thartist said,

Quoting DrHouse: you're an idiot.
Metro nor Ribbon fit this kind of program no matter how you try to slap them to it. Some Metro-ish mixture of Metro and classic is very possible however, i very much dare to anticipate.

So very much this.

Metro is really designed for size/resolution constrained media devices and Ribbon is designed for applications with large amounts of functionality (Toolbars) such as Office.

If GUI design was really that simple, everything would already use one single uberGUI by now.

zeke009 said,

+1

Athernar said,

So very much this.

Metro is really designed for size/resolution constrained media devices and Ribbon is designed for applications with large amounts of functionality (Toolbars) such as Office.

If GUI design was really that simple, everything would already use one single uberGUI by now.


metro ui could work
http://www.browser-watch.com/w...ows_internet_explorer_9.png
its used in messenger 2010, bing maps, media centre, even for the new logo (http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/.../assets/images/logo_ie9.png) it doesnt have to have big text all in your face.

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Ribbon UI is used in more places in Windows 7. Microsoft use to work with their latest OS guidelines.

Athernar said,
Metro is really designed for size/resolution constrained media devices

Not necessarily. Metro works very well for the Zune desktop app, and applications like MetroTwit work really well with the Metro style. While I don't think a pure Metro UI would be good for IE, some Metro qualities would fit well.

ObiWanToby said,

Probably looks just like IE8.

+1 I don't think Microsoft will change the GUI so dramatically or different than the current one.

jwmcpeak said,

Not necessarily. Metro works very well for the Zune desktop app, and applications like MetroTwit work really well with the Metro style. While I don't think a pure Metro UI would be good for IE, some Metro qualities would fit well.

What on earth is the "Metro" style? I've heard it used to describe WP7, the Zune player, the Zune software, Windows Media Center, Live Messenger, and so on. With the exception of WP7 and the Zune player (the actual mp3 player), none of these have a common design. They don't look like each other. So what is "Metro?" The way people are using it doesn't appear to refer to any specific look, just an inconsistent mess.

hdood said,
Taken a look at Windows Explorer lately? The current design (which was revamped around the same time as the Ribbon was introduced) fits nicely into Windows.


You can't say the same for Metro (how would that even look?), and the Ribbon is not designed for an application like IE (take a look at the UX guide, it's not just a general replacement for all menus and toolbars.)


Actually I would like something like Explorer - with a little touch of Chrome/Opera maybe. BTW: I said like, not as...

the better twin said,


metro ui could work
http://www.browser-watch.com/w...ows_internet_explorer_9.png
its used in messenger 2010, bing maps, media centre, even for the new logo (http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/.../assets/images/logo_ie9.png) it doesnt have to have big text all in your face.


??? the logo didn't change dramaticly. Neither did the Name next to it, it is just alligned different from the current version. Think you're reading something into the logo that isn't really there...

hdood said,
What on earth is the "Metro" style? I've heard it used to describe WP7, the Zune player, the Zune software, Windows Media Center, Live Messenger, and so on. With the exception of WP7 and the Zune player (the actual mp3 player), none of these have a common design. They don't look like each other. So what is "Metro?" The way people are using it doesn't appear to refer to any specific look, just an inconsistent mess.

Whoever said Windows Media Center and Live Messenger didn't know what they were talking about. Granted, I haven't seen the Wave 4 version of Messenger, but previous versions in no way use Metro.

Metro used on mobile devices looks like WP7 and ZuneHD. Metro on desktop apps looks like Zune desktop and MetroTwit. I'm not aware of any other desktop applications with a UI using or based on Metro.

jwmcpeak said,
Metro used on mobile devices looks like WP7 and ZuneHD. Metro on desktop apps looks like Zune desktop and MetroTwit. I'm not aware of any other desktop applications with a UI using or based on Metro.
Okay, so Metro refers to two completely different UI styles, one for mobile devices and one for computers? Fair enough, they're different types of devices.


One thing though. I'm looking at pictures of the Zune software and MetroTwit, and they look very different. I certainly would not call it the same interface.

Also, the Zune software is the only Microsoft product, so I guess that is what defines the style? Does Microsoft call it Metro? The way people talk about it, you'd think it was some great revolution that was showing up everywhere, rather than just a nickname for the UI of a single application?

hdood said,

Also, the Zune software is the only Microsoft product, so I guess that is what defines the style? Does Microsoft call it Metro? The way people talk about it, you'd think it was some great revolution that was showing up everywhere, rather than just a nickname for the UI of a single application?

Yeah Microsoft calls it "Metro", name is a reference to signs and so on in a metro...

hdood said,
One thing though. I'm looking at pictures of the Zune software and MetroTwit, and they look very different. I certainly would not call it the same interface.

It's one of those things you have to experience to see that they are. They are. Trust me =)

@MFH That looks like a slick text editor. Wish it was still available.

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Why are so many people crying out for a metrosexual interface?

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS
I've got a gut feeling it's gonna look like IE8 (with a few tweaks here and there). To be honest I think it's more important how it renders websites and such then how fancy it's UI looks and other then cleaning the UI up a little, I don't think there is much else you can do with it. Well that is my 2 cents take with a grain of salt.

the better twin said,
"The software giant is not planning to use Metro or Ribbon UI elements in IE9"
so where does IE9 fit in with the rest of their software?
typical MS

Ribbon ain't a good idea with IE. I mean, try using the newest WinZip and figure

jwmcpeak said,
It's one of those things you have to experience to see that they are. They are. Trust me =)
Sorry, I do not "trust you." I have looked at them, and they are not the same.

Quattrone said,
+1 I don't think Microsoft will change the GUI so dramatically or different than the current one.

Well there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the old one so why change?

hdood said,
Sorry, I do not "trust you." I have looked at them, and they are not the same.

Because screenshots are the end-all, be-all determination of whether two things are related. A UI is much more than what a snapshot in time says it is.

You don't have to trust me, but yes, they are the same UI. Use them, and you'd see they are.

jwmcpeak said,
You don't have to trust me, but yes, they are the same UI. Use them, and you'd see they are.

They are not the same. Unless a boat and a car is now the same because they both have a steering wheel.

hdood said,

They are not the same. Unless a boat and a car is now the same because they both have a steering wheel.

Bad analogy (for your "point" at least). A car and a boat are two different applications for two different purposes, but their UI is similar enough to be considered the same. It doesn't make the applications/vehicles the same, but it does make the UI virtually the same.

The Metro UI is defined by a few things:
- lowercase (usually) headings
- a row of large, unbolded Segoe UI headings at the top that switches the interface between different functions
- a row of smaller, bolded text below that, with options based on the context of the row above
- basic colours or gradients, a background will be abstract if present at all
- interactive UI elements (buttons, highlights) will usually be sharp-cornered, unshaded rectangles or circles
- simplified icons
- extensive use of Segoe (or Zegoe) throughout

Note that this is not Microsoft's definition, but these are things that I've seen to be consistent.

thartist said,

Quoting DrHouse: you're an idiot.
Metro nor Ribbon fit this kind of program no matter how you try to slap them to it. Some Metro-ish mixture of Metro and classic is very possible however, i very much dare to anticipate.

+1

.Neo said,
Really wonder what it will look like. Hopefully a whole lot better than the current GUI.

Me too It's a shame they appear to not be using Metro elements in the UI More inconsistency from Microsoft, just when I thought they were starting to look for a consistent UI experience

Calum said,
Me too It's a shame they appear to not be using Metro elements in the UI More inconsistency from Microsoft, just when I thought they were starting to look for a consistent UI experience
Inconsistent with what? I'm sitting here looking at my Windows system, and I don't see a trace of Metro anywhere in Windows. Wouldn't adding Metro to IE actually _add_ inconsistency?

hdood said,
Inconsistent with what? I'm sitting here looking at my Windows system, and I don't see a trace of Metro anywhere in Windows. Wouldn't adding Metro to IE actually _add_ inconsistency?

Yes, it would. Windows 7 isn't Windows Phone 7.

Calum said,

Me too It's a shame they appear to not be using Metro elements in the UI More inconsistency from Microsoft, just when I thought they were starting to look for a consistent UI experience

Metro in Windows? Honestly? I hope not! While it's a nice idea for Windows Phone, it would actually enhance the inconsistency...

Calum said,

Me too It's a shame they appear to not be using Metro elements in the UI More inconsistency from Microsoft, just when I thought they were starting to look for a consistent UI experience

Not really sure if I get your reply. But last time I checked Metro is meant for Windows Phone 7, not the desktop version of Windows 7 where Internet Explorer 9 will run on. The way I see it giving IE 9 a Metro-like UI on Windows 7 would only increase inconsistency.

.Neo said,

Not really sure if I get your reply. But last time I checked Metro is meant for Windows Phone 7, not the desktop version of Windows 7 where Internet Explorer 9 will run on. The way I see it giving IE 9 a Metro-like UI on Windows 7 would only increase inconsistency.

I don't think many people understood my response

To all:
What I suggested was that I thought Microsoft were finally hunting for a UI design which could become the type of design they use for all future software, including Windows. There is no way they would be able to release all their software in the Metro UI at the same time, so all their software adopting the Metro look would have to adopt it at different times; e.g. IE could have adopted it now, ready for when Windows 8 adopts it.

Obviously it's likely Windows 8 won't adopt it, nor IE 9, which is why I was annoyed because I was hoping all their software would eventually adopt it, as described above.

Does that make my original post any clearer?

Calum said,
Does that make my original post any clearer?

Maybe Microsoft needs to make sure Aero is consistent for a change before moving on to yet another new default theme? I see no reason why they should completely abandon Aero instead of just improving it with every Windows release. At this point Aero reminds me of what Aqua was like in its early days. It has to mature in order to grow, not replaced.

Apple kept improving upon Aqua with every Mac OS X release. They listened to feedback from their users by toning down transparency, pinstripes and bright colors. Because of it Mac OS X has one of the most celebrated and consistent interfaces out there. Microsoft needs to do the same. Throwing everything out the window and starting from scratch with every other Windows release will never give users a consistent UI.

Apple let Aqua mature for the past 9 years. By all means Microsoft, do the same with Aero.

I'm not sure why anyone would want Metro, a GUI developed for mobile touch screen devices, on the desktop version of Windows in the first place.

Edited by .Neo, Aug 12 2010, 11:06pm :

hdood said,
Inconsistent with what? I'm sitting here looking at my Windows system, and I don't see a trace of Metro anywhere in Windows. Wouldn't adding Metro to IE actually _add_ inconsistency?
You'd think that but with MS adding Metro elements to the Windows Live suite of apps, it make it inconsistent [to not use Metro for IE9] with the current design direction MS is going in. That said it would look out of place with the rest of Windows, however, when has anything in Windows been consistent? at it's best Win7 is an organised mess

MFH said,

Metro in Windows? Honestly? I hope not! While it's a nice idea for Windows Phone, it would actually enhance the inconsistency...
I'm guessing you never used the Zune Software. It used a Metro like interface before it was called Metro.

.Neo said,
Really wonder what it will look like. Hopefully a whole lot better than the current GUI.

I thought MS got consistency quite right with Windows 7, compared to Vista.

.Neo said,
Really wonder what it will look like. Hopefully a whole lot better than the current GUI.

I thought MS got consistency quite right with Windows 7, compared to Vista.

[quote=.Neo said,]

Apple kept improving upon Aqua with every Mac OS X release. They listened to feedback from their users by toning down transparency, pinstripes and bright colors. Because of it Mac OS X has one of the most celebrated and consistent interfaces out there. [quote]

You're wrong. Transparency is what makes the Windows 7 UI the most beautiful UI design EVER. Mac OS X looks incredibly fugly compared to Windows 7 because it lacks transparency. Windows Aero is 100 times more beautiful than Aqua.

Xerxes said,
You'd think that but with MS adding Metro elements to the Windows Live suite of apps, it make it inconsistent [to not use Metro for IE9] with the current design direction MS is going in.
Well, Windows Live is an optional extra that isn't really part of Windows itself. Also, the Windows Live programs look nothing like the other "Metro" programs. They do not look like the Zune software. "Metro" has to be the most inconsistent thing ever.

Xerxes said,
That said it would look out of place with the rest of Windows, however, when has anything in Windows been consistent? at it's best Win7 is an organised mess
Windows is pretty consistent in the color scheme and types of controls used.

Mr Spoon said,

No, He just has a different opinion. Such as what you wrote was also an opinion, not fact, therefore cannot be "wrong".

+1 Indeed. When it comes to appreciating beauty, nobody is "wrong". Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all

Also pezzonovante, try not deleting or editing the quote tags when you quote somebody. You'll find that quotes don't work when you screw with the tags.

pezzonovante said,
You're wrong. Transparency is what makes the Windows 7 UI the most beautiful UI design EVER. Mac OS X looks incredibly fugly compared to Windows 7 because it lacks transparency. Windows Aero is 100 times more beautiful than Aqua.

Except I'm not wrong. Back in 2001 ~ 2002 Mac OS X carried a lot of transparency as well and users complained about it like crazy. That's why Apple got rid of it. So while you might enjoy transparency on Windows most Mac OS X users did not appreciate it.

You're trying to turn this into a personal Aero vs Aqua debate while I'm just stating historical facts. Next to that I'm not saying Microsoft should follow the same route with Aero as Apple with Aqua. I'm just saying in response to Calum that Microsoft should keep Aero and improve upon it with every Windows release, instead of dumping it for yet another totally new theme. Something Apple did with Aqua, turning it into a great user experience.

It's always a shame if someone completely fails to understand the point and immediately turns it into a Windows vs Mac OS X thing... Just because he sees "Microsoft" and "Apple" in the same sentence...

Edited by .Neo, Aug 13 2010, 2:45pm :

Kuraj said,

I thought MS got consistency quite right with Windows 7, compared to Vista.

Huh? The post you quoted was about Internet Explorer 9 (subject of this article). As in: I'm wondering what Internet Explorer 9's interface will look like. I can't stand Internet Explorer 8's design.

.Neo said,
I can't stand Internet Explorer 8's design.
I totally agree with that. I liked the IE6 design. All it was missing was tabs on top. I even had the menu, the address bar and the toolbar on a single line in IE6 when I used to have XP, which looked just like the current Chrome, without tabs. The load time of IE6 was equal to or better than what Chrome's is currently. (DO NOT turn this into "you said IE6 is that good, they why don't you just keep using it" conversation. I am talking about UI and UX design, NOT the rendering engine.)


Instead they went ahead and made a sluggish, bloated, ****ty-looking UI in IE7 and they kept it for IE8. And looks like they're keeping it for IE9 too. It's mind boggling how people at Microsoft don't see how ****ty the IE7+ UI design is compared to Firefox's or Chrome's.

Edited by Jebadiah, Aug 14 2010, 9:59am :

Jebadiah said,
Instead they went ahead and made a sluggish, bloated, ****ty-looking UI in IE7 and they kept it for IE8. And looks like they're keeping it for IE9 too. It's mind boggling how people at Microsoft don't see how ****ty the IE7+ UI design is compared to Firefox's or Chrome's.

Chrome's UI sucks big time.