iOS 8.0 to include free FaceTime audio conference calling

Many details have emerged from the announcement of iOS 8.0 and OS X 10.10 'Yosemite.' Although Apple unveiled many features, they could not cover all of them. One of the features they did not go over was the ability to have audio conference calls while using FaceTime in iOS 8.0.

The ability to have conference calls has been in a large amount of software for many years, such as Skype which recently made group calling available for free on Mac, PC and Xbox One. FaceTime, since its introduction in 2010, has been limited by only allowing video calls to be made between two participants. Further, when the audio call feature was added in 2013, it was still only for one on one conversations. Due to this limitation Apple has listened to feedback and added free audio conference calls that will work across both iOS and OS X.

Of course this is only one of the new additions to the iOS software. Many other features, such as HealthKit, a keyboard you can change, and refinements to iMessage has also been detailed at this year’s WWDC. UberGizmo reports that OS X 'Yosemite' is also getting enhancements to its iMessaging capabilities with the addition of screen sharing which will allow users to share each other’s screen using the Messages app.

Source: UberGizmo | Image via Apple

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S4 has a Snapdragon 600. The snapdragon 800 made huge power efficiency gains over the 600. You should have got an LG G2, they can be had for surprisingly cheap these days.

It's been this way for years. Every key note or product release incites the worst of the nerd rage that the Internet has to offer here. It can be amusing at times, though.

Kyle K. said,
I think it is disgusting how much people hate Apple products on this website.

don't worry, its all the cool kids who are trying to impress their friends who hate apple without even using/having one.

rippleman said,

don't worry, its all the cool kids who are trying to impress their friends who hate apple without even using/having one.

Sounds like Android haters. I'm seeing a pattern.

adrynalyne said,

Sounds like Android haters. I'm seeing a pattern.

been here long? the pattern is EXACTLY this.

1) Someone mentions Android and people chat about what it is that the chat is about.

2) Someone mentions apple and all the Android fans starting whining and crying and complaining.

3) Someone whines or lies about apple, some people try to correct the apple lies by sharing their experience about apple, then the Android fans cry even louder and start crying even harder.

In my experience, and from what it seem like from others on forums that are not tied to the fanboyism, people that use apple just like it it because it works for them. Reversely, Android fanboys are the Muslims of the phone world... "you don't use android?? HOW DARE YOU INFIDEL! war war war"

When you go through the forums on almost all the sites, this is a tried and true rule.

rippleman said,

been here long? the pattern is EXACTLY this.

1) Someone mentions Android and people chat about what it is that the chat is about.

2) Someone mentions apple and all the Android fans starting whining and crying and complaining.

3) Someone whines or lies about apple, some people try to correct the apple lies by sharing their experience about apple, then the Android fans cry even louder and start crying even harder.

In my experience, and from what it seem like from others on forums that are not tied to the fanboyism, people that use apple just like it it because it works for them. Reversely, Android fanboys are the Muslims of the phone world... "you don't use android?? HOW DARE YOU INFIDEL! war war war"

When you go through the forums on almost all the sites, this is a tried and true rule.

It is typical for an apple fanboy to not see his/her own nature. Apple crybabies cry and whine, and so do their Android counterparts. Then they call each other crybabies.

THAT is exactly the pattern.

adrynalyne said,

It is typical for an apple fanboy to not see his/her own nature. Apple crybabies cry and whine, and so do their Android counterparts. Then they call each other crybabies.

THAT is exactly the pattern.

i think you are wrong.

adrynalyne said,

That doesn't surprise me.

I also think that you think that i am wrong; which doesn't surprise me either. Either way, stay tuned... you will see an example soon. Lets make a bet. I bet the next story/post that has the word apple in will be soon followed with an attack from an Android fan. I also bet that the next story/post you see about Android will NOT be followed with an attack from a apple fan. Deal?

rippleman said,

I also think that you think that i am wrong; which doesn't surprise me either. Either way, stay tuned... you will see an example soon. Lets make a bet. I bet the next story/post that has the word apple in will be soon followed with an attack from an Android fan. I also bet that the next story/post you see about Android will NOT be followed with an attack from a apple fan. Deal?

You are on.

Prepare to lose a bet.

Here is what will happen. Next Android story will see an attack from an apple fanboy (or windows phone), and the next apple story will see an attack from an android, or wp fanboy.

Now now. I think we need to consider the percentage of actual comments on the stories vs trolling. You'll see very different results.

adrynalyne said,

You are on.

Prepare to lose a bet.

Here is what will happen. Next Android story will see an attack from an apple fanboy (or windows phone), and the next apple story will see an attack from an android, or wp fanboy.

and to prove that i am 100% NOT apple biased like you assume. I actually sold the iPhone 5s, and picked up a S4 64gig and a S3 16 gig for the trip instead. What prompted the decision was i saw the huge battery packs that you can put on samsung phones so I got one with 5400 capacity, haven't long term tested out a s4 yet but will now. Would have rather got the s5 but too expensive.

Last time I checked, Facetime doesn't work on anything except iPhones, Hangouts don't work on Windows Phones, and Skype well, it works every imaginable piece of hardware capable of running software. So yeah, if I want to talk to any random person across the world, I can be sure he has access to Skype. Not so sure about the other two. In that regard:

Facetime < Google Hangouts < SkyPe

There's just no comparison, one works, two don't

FTFY ;)

I think the thing about facetime on other systems is why would you want to support users who dont buy your product and costs to maintain servers. Skype you get ads so this helps with the cost. Opening up facetime would increase costs and it dont think any company would do that.

Deihmos said,
Remember when facetime was introduced? Apple said it would be an open standard. Still waiting.....

Steve Job's biggest lie.

Deihmos said,
Remember when facetime was introduced? Apple said it would be an open standard. Still waiting.....
its not up to apple... apple can only submit the FaceTime standard to be ratified, its up to the others to agree/accept to make it a standard. the problem is every ecosystem wants their own..

rippleman said,
its not up to apple... apple can only submit the FaceTime standard to be ratified, its up to the others to agree/accept to make it a standard. the problem is every ecosystem wants their own..

Who are the others? How long has it been? Makes more sense to use Skype because it is on everything.

Deihmos said,

Who are the others? How long has it been? Makes more sense to use Skype because it is on everything.

really? you are on a tech forum commenting on tech stuff and you don't know who? And what do you mean when you ask "length of time"? time for acceptance? time for rejection? time for legal work? time for when it was applied for? time till it would be accepted?

Skype does make sense. But it is still not as good as what can be done when you have a ecosystem built around a singular experience. This is why face time is so good. The programmers are in the same company as the hardware designers. i was on skype in the early years and praised it. Even had skype out for years and years. loved it. But when I experienced something higher quality, I wondered why (a late player to the video chat game) why face time was so drastically better then what was out there.

rippleman said,
its not up to apple... apple can only submit the FaceTime standard to be ratified, its up to the others to agree/accept to make it a standard. the problem is every ecosystem wants their own..

They never submitted it to an independent standards body to be ratified.

"And we're going to take it all the way. We're going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we're going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Steve Jobs, 2010 WWDC Keynote

rfirth said,

They never submitted it to an independent standards body to be ratified.

"And we're going to take it all the way. We're going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we're going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Steve Jobs, 2010 WWDC Keynote

You can not submit a standard currently in a lawsuit. I will presume as soon as VirnetX drops or settles, I hope apple does submit.

So you were being deliberately misleading when you said "apple can only submit the FaceTime standard to be ratified". Apple hasn't submitted it.

I don't doubt that your other statements about Facetime being better quality than other services are also misleading.

Got any other Apple fanboyisms to share?

james.faction said,
So you were being deliberately misleading when you said "apple can only submit the FaceTime standard to be ratified". Apple hasn't submitted it.

I don't doubt that your other statements about Facetime being better quality than other services are also misleading.

Got any other Apple fanboyisms to share?

I had to Google the first information to find out why it hasn't been done. Then i goggled more and found out more info. the great thing about knowledge is you can get more as you go on and on. As per fanyboysim, I have never met an iphone fan boy like the people on this forum have said to exist. I have many phones. I am a phone lover. Currently today, i have a iPhone 5s, HTC One X+, Galaxy s3, Note 2, iPhone 4s. I love testing and judging all of them. All have weakness, all have strengths. When I say FaceTime is better, it just simply is. If you don't believe it, its ok. They only think I can suggest is try it and see for yourself.

Looking at all your other comments on this forum shows your clear Apple bias.

I too have used the 5s. I have also used more modern phones than the those old Android devices you're using, and video quality is just as good if not better on Skype and Viber.

james.faction said,
Looking at all your other comments on this forum shows your clear Apple bias.

I too have used the 5s. I have also used more modern phones than the those old Android devices you're using, and video quality is just as good if not better on Skype and Viber.

at the moment yes i have the 5s, but only since a week ago. My experience with facetime goes back to the orginal iPhone 4... my finace and i chatted hours on end on many clients over the years. Now, she does the same with her family in the phillipines with the same results, the facetime app is 100% ALWAYS (not most of the time but ALWAYS) better then skype, hangouts, yahoo (not even sure if yahoo still does it) and a couple of the lessor known clients. When i say better, I only mean video and audio quality. Side note: I don't think i have an apple bias, reason being, for the upcoming trip, i bought 2 phones... 5s 64 gig and an HTC one X+ 64 gig. I was selling the 5s initially because i liked the widescreen shots and to me they look like simply better photos even if not as clear open maginification. But someone wanted the HTC first so I sold it instead. I don't have a bais since I only state what, in my limited experence, i have found to be true for me. Case in point: who has a better camera to my eyes? I said HTC one x+. :)

Edited by Deleted Bye, Jun 10 2014, 1:33am :

I really like dingl_'s post. Not everyone gives as much thought to ecosystems and how some companies try to lock you in. I'm not saying it is bad, it is smart on their part but not good for the consumer. Microsoft tends to make software that is more cross platform friendly than both Apple and Google.

As much as I love Google and the other companies, Apple's whole aspect of "continuity" throws a jab at many things. You can't expect Google and Microsoft to beat features like make phone calls on your computer that come from your phone. Yea, Google has Voice, but that's something else and you have to use another app (hangouts) in order to use the Voice feature. I could be wrong about the requirement though. I use it, but I'm tired of it.

Huh? I can call somebody on my PC and reach their smartphone via Skype.. In fact I've called someone via Outlook.com(in the browser) and reached their phone, kind of cool.
I prefer using the app itself though(desktop or modern)

and somebody has called my PC(via Skype) on their iPhone it all went pretty smooth

Also I mean both ends using Skype to connect. Tho I can call phone numbers easy enough using PC, tablet

Let's say we want to use something built in? That's what I'm aiming for. I'm actually off Skype the more my friends have iOS and OS X.

dingl_ said,
I think you missed the entire point of my post, why would you want to lock yourself to a set of devices ;)

I think you are missing the point some of us already know. If on an IOS device... use the superior face time built in app. if one of your friends isn't on it, use Skype. use the best where available, it really is a HUGE difference in sound and video and simplicity.

dingl_ said,
I think you missed the entire point of my post, why would you want to lock yourself to a set of devices ;)

You most not have seen many of his posts. He's a pretty big Apple fan who doesn't care about cross compatibility

Cross compatibility and fragmentation. 2 of my biggest issues. I'd rather everything in one section that works well WITH EACH OTHER. Not some external influence.

Mr.XXIV said,
Cross compatibility and fragmentation. 2 of my biggest issues. I'd rather everything in one section that works well WITH EACH OTHER. Not some external influence.

Sure as long as everyone you ever contact is also an apple fan and likes ridiculously small screens

And fragmentation. Hahaha. I thought you guys had finally stopped saying that?

Here's my issue with Android fans. They talk about being open and they talk about cross compatibility. Keyword "compatibility", which many of these phones don't don't have put together.

I couldn't care less if this is considered flaming or not, but there are still too many things unanswered and well argued about.

norseman said,
I really like dingl_'s post. Not everyone gives as much thought to ecosystems and how some companies try to lock you in. I'm not saying it is bad, it is smart on their part but not good for the consumer. Microsoft tends to make software that is more cross platform friendly than both Apple and Google.

Although what you said is true it is also correct to note that MS sells software therefore is agnostic to the hardware it runs on; Apple, on the other hand, sells hardware. In other words both companies try to get people in their ecosystems, one is software related the other hardware.

norseman said,
I really like dingl_'s post. Not everyone gives as much thought to ecosystems and how some companies try to lock you in. I'm not saying it is bad, it is smart on their part but not good for the consumer. Microsoft tends to make software that is more cross platform friendly than both Apple and Google.

Its good for the consumer if they get everything they want. I'd suggest lots of people are getting exactly what they want from the Apple ecosystem and it keeps getting better.

rippleman said,

I think you are missing the point some of us already know. If on an IOS device... use the superior face time built in app. if one of your friends isn't on it, use Skype. use the best where available, it really is a HUGE difference in sound and video and simplicity.

If the app only works on Apple, how can it be considered "superior"? Hangouts might be the best communication apps supported right now that's free.

Rann Xeroxx said,

If the app only works on Apple, how can it be considered "superior"? Hangouts might be the best communication apps supported right now that's free.

How can something be considered "superior" when it is lower quality that what can be had? To me, your definition of "superior" is what I call "more convenient".

That's not so "free" you must buy/invest in the Apple ecosystem first and that ain't cheapo.
on the other hand there is Skype which is on most every platform and Free conference calling is incoming

Nothing free about Facetime for me, my Win8.1 laptop and 8.1 tablet& phone+ my Nexus 7 tablet ain't seeing it

So really Facetime for me would cost a whole new device and some. or I'll just stick to other services and use devices I've bought and paid for long ago, no brainer

And? Honestly, you didn't have to be so self centered about a service we obviously now know you won't be using.

The point of all these Apple services is to make everything more integrated, to keep everything synced in one spot, we're not using Apple devices because it's "flashy" in your opinion. I use it because it makes my life easier.

Why not support a service like Skype that tries to be as cross-platform as possible which actually is a plus for users everywhere on any device they choose
You do no one any favors restricting yourself to Facetime, only Apple, you have friends don't you? let me guess they all use Apple devices ..

Mr.XXIV said,
And? Honestly, you didn't have to be so self centered about a service we obviously now know you won't be using.

The point of all these Apple services is to make everything more integrated, to keep everything synced in one spot, we're not using Apple devices because it's "flashy" in your opinion. I use it because it makes my life easier.


The point is that Apple is not doing it to make everything integrated, they are doing it to keep up with other services to are passing them by that already have this capability.

dingl_ said,
Why not support a service like Skype that tries to be as cross-platform as possible which actually is a plus for users everywhere on any device they choose
You do no one any favors restricting yourself to Facetime, only Apple, you have friends don't you? let me guess they all use Apple devices ..

Cause skype sucks on mobile.

dingl_ said,
Why not support a service like Skype that tries to be as cross-platform as possible which actually is a plus for users everywhere on any device they choose
You do no one any favors restricting yourself to Facetime, only Apple, you have friends don't you? let me guess they all use Apple devices ..

i have used skype in the past, and on occasion do. But nothing even comes close to the quality of facetime. If you haven't tried it, then you simply don't know the difference.

I've tried it, on an iPod , what was so special? I missed it
I have great calls with family granted good cameras+audio& connection on both ends helps the experience a lot. Skype can be excellent or really really bad no denying that but that's the appeal a broad set of users can still take advantage of it without a camera, without audio, without camera or audio and its just Instant Messaging ;)

Mr.XXIV said,
The point of all these Apple services is to make everything more integrated, to keep everything synced in one spot,

Which is great if all your friends use the same apple products. Bad luck if you want to chat with someone on android or PC etc tho.

I'd be sticking with the popular and free, cross platform Skype if I was you. You'll be able to chat with much more of your friends that way.

rippleman said,

i have used skype in the past, and on occasion do. But nothing even comes close to the quality of facetime. If you haven't tried it, then you simply don't know the difference.


Sound like another mad Windows fanboy are you mad that Windows Phone is not as popular as a iPhone?

TsMkLg068426 said,


Sound like another mad Windows fanboy are you mad that Windows Phone is not as popular as a iPhone?

I have had 2 windows phones in the last couple months... HTC 8X and Samsung Ativ S, I actually don't like them... I am not sure what gave you that impression.

TsMkLg068426 said,


Sound like another mad Windows fanboy are you mad that Windows Phone is not as popular as a iPhone?

Lol. Sounds like another iSheep with an inflated ego and more money than brains. See? It works both ways. You lost the argument so now you're resorting to calling other people fanboys? Don't be such a sore loser.

dingl_ said,
That's not so "free" you must buy/invest in the Apple ecosystem first and that ain't cheapo.
on the other hand there is Skype which is on most every platform and Free conference calling is incoming

Nothing free about Facetime for me, my Win8.1 laptop and 8.1 tablet& phone+ my Nexus 7 tablet ain't seeing it

So really Facetime for me would cost a whole new device and some. or I'll just stick to other services and use devices I've bought and paid for long ago, no brainer

This is the worst post i've ever read on this site and i can't believe it's got 13 likes and a comment below saying he really liked your post.

For the good of this site please stop posting Apple news, it's clear it has no place on here, the comments really bring it down... it's embarrassing.

As mentioned above, this reasoning invalidates any free features on any hardware device that is sold.

anothercookie said,

Cause skype sucks on mobile.

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

anothercookie said,

Cause skype sucks on mobile.

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

anothercookie said,

Cause skype sucks on mobile.

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

mattdocs12345 said,

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

mattdocs12345 said,

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

mattdocs12345 said,

I could not agree more. It sucks on desktop too. Its resource usage is huge and it is bandwidth hungry like nothing else. Not to mention it is incompatible with a lot of older routers. I have moved on to Vsee and I am not looking back.

Alright alright, we get it. You didn't have to repeat it thrice. :D

dingl_ said,
Why not support a service like Skype that tries to be as cross-platform as possible which actually is a plus for users everywhere on any device they choose
You do no one any favors restricting yourself to Facetime, only Apple, you have friends don't you? let me guess they all use Apple devices ..

Apple doesn't do open standards really, even though at launch they did say FaceTime and iMessage were supposed to be coming to other devices.

Never happened sadly

The problem with FaceTime is that most the world does not use Apple products so your siloed. Why not make FT for Windows or Android?

So many people are saying Skypes quality sucks but I have found Skype to be the best...

Skype > FaceTime >> Hangouts imo. And Skype is the only one cross platform...

dingl_ said,
Skype also has an updated iPhone app in the pipe
Its great to see Skype on all platforms, stepping up, no compromises, no lock-in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8kQplrFvEk
:)
if Skype convenience and apple face-time quality could be combined, this would be an amazing app. Each have a place depending on circumstances involving the user. I wish facetime could have the features of skype and wish that skype had the video/sound quality of facteime. until that day happens, most will use whatever suits them (and me) best no matter what you think they "should be" using.

I hate that too. I know some close relatives that use Facetime too rather than a service that's available on all devices. I've gotten my parents on Windows devices (mother is on original Surface RT, Dad's on WP8) and I guess it's been a bit difficult with some of their friends on Facetime only. :(