iTunes 10.5 for Mac brings 64-bit, fullscreen support

In the aftermath of the announcements from yesterday's WWDC, one particular release has seen little publicity. The beta of iTunes 10.5, which was released to developers yesterday, will bring with it iCloud and iOS 5 support when it gets officially released. But for Mac users, some more hidden features are in store.

Early reports indicate that iTunes has finally made the jump to 64-bit on the Mac platform. Users have been clamouring after 64-bit support for years, ever since Apple started advertising 64-bit in Mac OS X. iTunes is somewhat late to the party, with Snow Leopard bringing most of the built-in apps into 64-bit territory.

Furthermore, the fullscreen feature of Mac OS X Lion is supported. The mode currently resembles the usual interface with the title bar cut off, in a similar style to other Lion apps. We may have to wait until iTunes 11 before we see a more iOS-like interface, like the elements slowly making their way into Apple's other apps.

The interface has received a few minor tweaks. Gone are the awkward lilac scrollbars, instead using Lion's new disappearing ones. Elements have been slightly tweaked throughout. Apple has also apparently reversed its decision on having vertical window controls.

iTunes 10.5 is expected to be released alongside iOS 5.

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I wish they would rewrite the program from scratch, its one of the most poorly written programs of all time.

jeffT said,
I wish they would rewrite the program from scratch, its one of the most poorly written programs of all time.

It's true. It's pretty funny that, when you break down the entire user experience of iTunes and owning an iPod/iPhone into its fundamental parts, each element is somehow really annoying, tedious, and subpar. But brought together, it's somehow this amazing formula for success. Apple is truly the master at making a finished product greater than the sum of its parts.

They probably (at long last) had to port it to Cocoa in order to get Lion's fullscreen support. That may account for the 64-bitness.

I really hope they release a true 64-bit for Windows along with the 24-bit audio. I also hope they eventually offer Apple Lossless for the iTunes Store and *maybe* have QuickTime support FLAC.

Wishful thinking, I know.

Lord Venom said,
I really hope they release a true 64-bit for Windows

Maybe around the same time Microsoft releases Office for Mac in 64-bit.

.Neo said,

Maybe around the same time Microsoft releases Office for Mac in 64-bit.

what does iTunes have anything to do with Office for Mac?

.Neo said,

Maybe around the same time Microsoft releases Office for Mac in 64-bit.

Microsoft release office on the MAC as a courtesy....as oppose to Apple who need windows users..

Jmaxku said,
I would love for 24 bit audio. What happened to that rumor?

we have to wait for the iTunes event in september for that, if true.

Jmaxku said,
I would love for 24 bit audio. What happened to that rumor?

Quiet you, no one needs that sort of fidelity in digital music.

I remember hearing a group of microsoft devs talking about the audio problems with earlier OSX releases. I hope they fixed those issues, otherwise 24bit audio won't make things sound any better.

BlendedFrog said,
Um...isn't it v.10.3? iTunes website says 10.3 and so did my software update last night.

Devs get iTunes 10.5.

iTunes 10.5 is a beta version required for iOS 5 beta, only available to developers (through legal channels that is). iTunes 10.3 is the latest stable version for the general public.

.Neo said,
It's only 64-bit on Mac OS X Lion right now.
That explains it - only just got DP4 installed, will give iTunes 10.5 an install now.

Ahh, good ole Mac, with somehow the concept of "I want my application to use all available screen space" being ignored until recently, and now it's a dramatic new 'feature', as if they just came up with the idea....

chadlachlanross said,
as if they just came up with the idea....

No, that's just something you imagine yourself.

.Neo said,

No, that's just something you imagine yourself.

he didn't I have been personally told countless times that Maximise is not required because it makes you less efficient by a number of Mac users (in real life and on forums)

dhan said,

he didn't I have been personally told countless times that Maximise is not required because it makes you less efficient by a number of Mac users (in real life and on forums)

First of all you're confusing Mac users with Apple (the company). Second, just because some Mac users have a certain opinion doesn't mean everyone with a Mac shares that same opinion. Never mind the nuances you could bring into this story where full-screen is probably mostly pointless on a 27-inch iMac and zoom continues to be preferable, but could be useful on Macs with a smaller screen (mostly MacBooks). Also, the way Mac OS X Lion handles full-screen applications is very different from maximized windows on Windows today: Zoom isn't replaced by full-screen.

.Neo said,

First of all you're confusing Mac users with Apple (the company). Second, just because some Mac users have a certain opinion doesn't mean everyone with a Mac shares that same opinion. Never mind the nuances you could bring into this story where full-screen is probably mostly pointless on a 27-inch iMac and zoom continues to be preferable, but could be useful on Macs with a smaller screen (mostly MacBooks). Also, the way Mac OS X Lion handles full-screen applications is very different from maximized windows on Windows today: Zoom isn't replaced by full-screen.

+1

Also, this whole "<insert feature here> that already existed in <insert product here>, and now Apple is claiming it is new, magical and revolutionary" catch phrase is very old.

Shadrack said,

+1

Also, this whole "<insert feature here> that already existed in <insert product here>, and now Apple is claiming it is new, magical and revolutionary" catch phrase is very old.


Yes, it's funny. Note how during no part of the entire iOS 5 / Lion keynote yesterday, Apple didn't say once they were innovating.

Yet, you could read comments in the dozen as if they had boasted about innovation.

.Neo said,

First of all you're confusing Mac users with Apple (the company). Second, just because some Mac users have a certain opinion doesn't mean everyone with a Mac shares that same opinion. Never mind the nuances you could bring into this story where full-screen is probably mostly pointless on a 27-inch iMac and zoom continues to be preferable, but could be useful on Macs with a smaller screen (mostly MacBooks). Also, the way Mac OS X Lion handles full-screen applications is very different from maximized windows on Windows today: Zoom isn't replaced by full-screen.

I am not confusing Apple users with Apple. I said Apple users(not apple) for years said Maximize wasn't necessary and now suddenly singing praises of a full screen. It might be different than Windows' maximize, but the intention is similar/same (maximize the workspace).
There was a major chunk of Apple users who justify whatever Apple puts out. Don't try to act that this never happened because it continues to happen everyday.

I'm really enjoying fullscreen support. It's great on my 13" MBP due to using all the limited space available.

dancedar said,
iTunes watched c:\user\<name>\Music\Automatically Add to iTunes, has done for some versions.

I don't want to change my PC around to fit iTunes, I want iTunes to be able to monitor any folder. There's a HUGE difference.

Hercules said,

I don't want to change my PC around to fit iTunes, I want iTunes to be able to monitor any folder. There's a HUGE difference.

I don't use iTunes and this would be quite annoying, but have you tried making a junction/hard link/symbolic link (I'm not sure exactly which one does what) to the folder you want monitored into the iTunes monitored folder?

It is mklink in the command line.

Hercules said,

I don't want to change my PC around to fit iTunes, I want iTunes to be able to monitor any folder. There's a HUGE difference.

Edit->Preferences->Advanced->iTunes Media folder location->"Change..."

Does that not work for you? You can also make links as mrp04 suggests if your music is more scattered than that. Apple doesn't bend over backwards for features that a small number of users want (such as monitoring multiple folders for music). I use to micro-manage my music files... then I realized how much of a waste of time it was being so picky about it. If all your music is properly tagged, just about any media program with some sort of a music library will work with your current library (so long as you don't buy a bunch of DRM'd tracks off Zune or whatever).

Hercules said,
I don't want to change my PC around to fit iTunes, I want iTunes to be able to monitor any folder. There's a HUGE difference.

I concur. This is one of the many reasons I dislike iTunes. Quicktime merging with iTunes was the other reason. Keeps me from iDevices. Kudos to all who use things as their IT provider tells them. It just works if you do it their way.

Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.

That would be nice - even Spotify automatically adds music from 'watched' folders.

bbfc_uk said,

That would be nice - even Spotify automatically adds music from 'watched' folders.


As does Zune.

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.


Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not sitting in front of my iMac, but I do believe iTunes watches the music folder on macs. Though, I believe the watching capability isn't present on windows.

bbfc_uk said,

That would be nice - even Spotify automatically adds music from 'watched' folders.

90% of my music listening is now done on Spotify, the 10% of the time I am listening to a physical file is now done on Zune.

iTunes is just my iPhone + iPad Syncer now.

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.


Yea, a monitored folder (it doesnt even monitor it's own folder does it? the again if you buy music in itunes as the want you too it aint a problem ) and a now playing kind of playlist (see wmp and zune, probably Winamp and so on too) sometimes i just want to make a playlist that ill play that once, it's a bit annoying to use iTunes DJ with an empty playlist set as it's source so it won't add more songs

Wouldn't go as far as to say it's the worst piece of software ever though, there are far worse apps out there in every category... (would be nice if they could speed up the apps tab on an iDevices control page though, not that we'll need it much longer with previous purchases available in the iOS appstore and so on)

bbfc_uk said,

That would be nice - even Spotify automatically adds music from 'watched' folders.


Yea, it does, but it has the worst media library browser of any media software i've used, if you can even call it that, it's basically just a long list... even vlc does a better job and it just looks at the folder structure

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.

In XP it's "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Media\Automatically Add to iTunes\"

What they want you to do is drag-and-drop music from a folder into the iTunes application window. iTunes then copies the files into its library and renames the files to its likings. I use to be anal-retentive about file naming, but now with solid ID3 tagging it really doesn't concern me anymore.

For windows, I just have Foobar 2000 watch my entire media library folder. And I add music via the iTunes application window. iTunes does have very nice "Home Sharing" features that allow you to drag and drop music from other computers on your network and the files are copied right into your folder. Can this be done with file sharing? Sure. Do I find it easier to just do in iTunes, absolutely.

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.

+1, it's years behind almost everything on Windows. Sounds funny maybe but iTunes is one of my reasons for never to buy and use iPhone (or any other iDevice) until Apple kills off or seriously reengineer this (rather large) piece of ...

So cheers for the new MAC version and I belive that on OSX it is a nice software to use but on Windows iTunes is the software equivalent of a torture chamber.

Benjy91 said,

90% of my music listening is now done on Spotify, the 10% of the time I am listening to a physical file is now done on Zune.

iTunes is just my iPhone + iPad Syncer now.

Snap. I only use iTunes to sync my music and backup etc. I use Spotify on my iPhone so i sync all my music to the app. I don't even use the iPod app anymore.

Roll on wireless syncing and iCloud backup!!

Hercules said,
Can they just give us the ability to add a folder and have it be "monitored"?

iTunes is one of the worst pieces of software ever written.

What is sad is that there are a couple of really easy ways to do and just let Windows handle it for iTunes. They could create their own monitoring list, and just tell NTFS to list the changes, or tell Windows to hand off to NTFS to actively monitor the folders and as new stuff is added tell the background iTunes app to add it to a list or add to the iTunes catalog/database then.

They could also completely hand this off to the Windows Search service and even let Windows do all the catalog/database work and all iTunes would have to do is issue an SQL like command to Windows instead of its own internal catalog/database duplicating what Windows is already doing with the Music folders. On Vista or Win7 use a 'saved search folder' to contrain the locations and content available via the SQL commands, and on Win7 just use the Library APIs to access the database of the Music Library or even create a new iTunes Library with a different or limited set of folders as the user wants. (And yes, even XP, as Windows Search can be installed on XP, even if it is as robust or a full database FS interface.)


I figure they are just doing basic porting and keeping their own internal database features, as OS X doesn't have OS level FS database features like Windows does.

Zune at least on Windows 7 uses the Libraries and Windows Search APIs, so it isn't replicating what the OS is already handling for the user and the Zune Software.

So not only could Apple offer this feature rather easily, they could even use the extension of what Windows provides to simplify their own programming and code making things easier on the iTunes developers for Windows.

Benjy91 said,
Give us proper 64-bit on Windows too. Not the 64-bit compatible (32-bit) version.
Don't count on it. The only reason a 64-bit installer even exists is because it needs 64-bit drivers for Bonjour and other unnecessary background bloat.

Benjy91 said,
Give us proper 64-bit on Windows too. Not the 64-bit compatible (32-bit) version.
No thanks. iTunes is fat, bloated, and slow. I only use it to make backups of my iPhone. There are many other better (and free) media managers that are smaller and faster to move media back and forth on any iWhatever device.