Microsoft expected to announce Windows 9 on September 30

Details of Microsoft's next major Windows version, codenamed Threshold, have been steadily emerging over the last few weeks - and, as our regular readers will know, many of the biggest and most interesting details have been exclusively revealed by us here on Neowin. But one detail that has remained a little ambiguous is when we might actually get our first official look at the new OS. 

Last week, it emerged that Microsoft is planning to release a preview version of the OS around the end of September, and today, The Verge revealed that that information - originally revealed by Microsoft-watcher Mary Jo Foley - is accurate. According to its sources, Microsoft is "tentatively planning" a press event for September 30, at which the new Windows will be officially unveiled, with a pre-release version of the OS being made available on or shortly after that date. 

While we have not yet been able to confirm this date with our own sources, we understand that the release is currently called the 'Windows Technical Preview' internally. It is not yet clear if Microsoft plans to use the widely-rumored 'Windows 9' name, or if it intends to go with something different. The current builds that are making their way around Redmond are in the 982x variety.

The preview will not be feature-complete by any means, with certain UI elements not necessarily being available in the first release, although it is likely that Microsoft will roll out more features to the preview in later builds. 

Source: The Verge

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I hope we keep the Windows 95 icons i don't get all the hate i actually like seeing them and having memory's flying back of the old times. Be sad to see them go if they ever do.

Ya'll want to complain how Metro "looks" 16-bit, but you want Microsoft actually leave 16 bit icons alone? Good grief. I disagree. Those legacy pieces need to go.

Being an old person, over 30, running a small business, I'm not holding my breath. Trying to make a profit in these difficult times is the first priority.

TsarNikky said,
Being an old person, over 30, running a small business, I'm not holding my breath. Trying to make a profit in these difficult times is the first priority.

I don't believe you're any of those three things.

I wonder if they will change the windows logo. I'd imagine they'll need to establish a Windows 9 branding different enough from Windows 8..

Lol - you're new around here?! The smaller the vociferous dissenters , the louder they'll be. People here have already set out their own lists of must-have features (Android runtime ffs?!) - what chance does it have?

mrp04 said,
I can't wait for people to stop complaining!

hello and welcome to the Internet, the #1 complaining place since the 80's.

Praetor said,

hello and welcome to the Internet, the #1 complaining place since the 80's.


I hope you weren't sitting on that gem for nearly a month... ;)

Raa said,

I hope you weren't sitting on that gem for nearly a month... ;)

lol no, i just saw this post yesterday because it was referenced from the new features posts.

I'm sticking with Windows 8. I do NOT like the direction the platform is now headed (backwards) and jumping to Windows 9, if rumors are accurate, will be a downgrade.

Robert.E.Wade said,
I'm sticking with Windows 8. I do NOT like the direction the platform is now headed (backwards) and jumping to Windows 9, if rumors are accurate, will be a downgrade.

If it can still allow the Start Screen, and Metro apps running full screen, then I'm all for it. Personally, I can't wait to see the metro desktop, and Cortana.

Robert.E.Wade said,
I'm sticking with Windows 8. I do NOT like the direction the platform is now headed (backwards) and jumping to Windows 9, if rumors are accurate, will be a downgrade.

+1

Robert.E.Wade said,
I'm sticking with Windows 8. I do NOT like the direction the platform is now headed (backwards) and jumping to Windows 9, if rumors are accurate, will be a downgrade.

How is it headed backwards? Just because they are introducing even more options for people to use doesn't mean it is headed backwards. Start screen will remain, metro apps will be able to run in full screen - so basically you will be able to use it just like Windows 8 today for the most part but for the rest of us who live in the desktop most (all) of the time, a lot of the improvements they are adding are completely essential. I personally barely use the start screen, modern control panel, modern mail app or any of that stuff. Gave it all a try - setup my personal account in the built-in mail, calendar and contacts apps but was running back to Outlook within a week - it just works much better.

To each their own I guess...

Robert.E.Wade said,
I'm sticking with Windows 8. I do NOT like the direction the platform is now headed (backwards) and jumping to Windows 9, if rumors are accurate, will be a downgrade.

XP users and 7 will be waiting for you in open arms. Remember change can be hard and it is time to adopt right

sinetheo said,

XP users and 7 will be waiting for you in open arms. Remember change can be hard and it is time to adopt right

Who wants to be in the arms of XP users? I wouldn't feel secure in that position.

sinetheo said,

XP users and 7 will be waiting for you in open arms. Remember change can be hard and it is time to adopt right

Surely it's everybody but this person how the windows xp/7 hold outs are waiting for ... You know as they bitch and moan about the interface being to different from established norms.

My point is those who laughed at the hold outs who are old and couldn't handle change now become one of them after investing so much time learning things one way. Karma and funny irony at the same time

MorganX said,
I'd say it, if I thought there was going to "be" a new Metro Desktop. :s

According to Brad, the desktop is flatter, with a metro task bar, complete with live tiles.

All I wish is that this time around Microsoft doesn't go drastic with changes. First and foremost, UI polish and constancy. I would love to see for once Microsoft actually ship a polished OS with no mixed UI's, no old icons and a consistent menu system. Now that I use a Mac for work, I love that with each OS upgrade its simple but good changes.

People have so many wishes and hopes pinned on this, that it can't avoid being a crushing disappointment, imho. Especially given the accelerated timeframe they're trying to push this out in. There just hasn't been time for them to do all the things people are expecting from this.

I mean... beyond adding Cortana, a mini-start-menu, and windowed "modern" apps on the desktop, it also needs to:

- Better handle High DPI displays on the desktop (including updating all the included utilities, control panel applets, and desktop apps)

- Better unify the API for "Modern" apps across Windows Phone, Xbox One, and Windows RT/Windows (to the point of even merging Windows Phone and Windows RT into one OS)

- Provide a new and better look and feel

- Update to Metro 2.0 (new functions and APIs to make new scenarios possible with "Modern" apps)

- Implement virtual desktops in a way that is usable and which doesn't break things

- Run all existing Desktop and Modern apps, and possibly all existing Windows Phone apps

- Be faster, more secure, and require less disk space and memory to run

- Merge the UIs of Windows Phone and Modern Windows... folders on the start screen, "..." to indicate app menus, dealing with the charms (or lack thereof).

- Adapt to millions of configurations, from small touch tablets to convertables to laptops to desktops and "work the way people expect it to", automatically

- Support more connectivity and integration across devices (including some OS X/iOS 8 style integrations across phone and desktop/laptop), via Microsoft ID

- Rumored option to run Android apps?

And tons of other desires, including all new icon sets, updated dialogs and control panel applets, new version of IE, etc...

And do all of this for basically free.

Yeah, I'd prepare to be disappointed.

pmbAustin said,
People have so many wishes and hopes pinned on this, that it can't avoid being a crushing disappointment, imho. Especially given the accelerated timeframe they're trying to push this out in. There just hasn't been time for them to do all the things people are expecting from this.

I mean... beyond adding Cortana, a mini-start-menu, and windowed "modern" apps on the desktop, it also needs to:

- Better handle High DPI displays on the desktop (including updating all the included utilities, control panel applets, and desktop apps)

- Better unify the API for "Modern" apps across Windows Phone, Xbox One, and Windows RT/Windows (to the point of even merging Windows Phone and Windows RT into one OS)

- Provide a new and better look and feel

- Update to Metro 2.0 (new functions and APIs to make new scenarios possible with "Modern" apps)

- Implement virtual desktops in a way that is usable and which doesn't break things

- Run all existing Desktop and Modern apps, and possibly all existing Windows Phone apps

- Be faster, more secure, and require less disk space and memory to run

- Merge the UIs of Windows Phone and Modern Windows... folders on the start screen, "..." to indicate app menus, dealing with the charms (or lack thereof).

- Adapt to millions of configurations, from small touch tablets to convertables to laptops to desktops and "work the way people expect it to", automatically

- Support more connectivity and integration across devices (including some OS X/iOS 8 style integrations across phone and desktop/laptop), via Microsoft ID

- Rumored option to run Android apps?

And tons of other desires, including all new icon sets, updated dialogs and control panel applets, new version of IE, etc...

And do all of this for basically free.

Yeah, I'd prepare to be disappointed.

Ugh. Hell NO to Android apps. And don't expect for this to be a free upgrade. Microsoft is in the business of licensing software, and until they can make up that revenue somewhere else, that will continue to be the case.

pmbAustin said,
And do all of this for basically free.

Yeah, I'd prepare to be disappointed.

They don't need to do it for free. But it doesn't matter, of the list you provided, there's only a chance to get the following on September 30, or even within a year, if ever IMO:

- Be faster, more secure, and require less disk space and memory to run
- Implement virtual desktops in a way that is usable and which doesn't break things
- Better unify the API for "Modern" apps across Windows Phone, Xbox One, and Windows RT/Windows (to the point of even merging Windows Phone and Windows RT into one OS)

Dot Matrix said,

Ugh. Hell NO to Android apps. And don't expect for this to be a free upgrade. Microsoft is in the business of licensing software, and until they can make up that revenue somewhere else, that will continue to be the case.

There's already "BlueStack" for running Android apps on Windows... whether it can do it natively is up for debate, but the capability is already there.

And I think Microsoft wants to do everything it can to encourage people to upgrade... and to get Windows 8 people up to Windows 9, I can imagine they'll make it free.

Windows 8.1 is already "free" for devices of certain sizes and capabilities (i.e. Windows Phone is free, and Windows 8.1 is free on devices with screen sizes less than 9", and there's "Windows With Bing" for other configurations). To compete with iOS, Android, OS X, Chromebooks/ChromeOS, and Linux/Unix, they pretty much have to push costs way down. They can't afford another "XP".

I imagine the upgrade will be free for Windows 8.x users across the board. What the cost is for Windows 7 users, I'm not sure, but I can't imagine it would be more than $49, and it might even be free for them too. XP users will likely have to pay through the nose, and I have no idea if there's enough Vista users to matter.

Dot Matrix said,

Ugh. Hell NO to Android apps. And don't expect for this to be a free upgrade. Microsoft is in the business of licensing software, and until they can make up that revenue somewhere else, that will continue to be the case.

I'm fairly sure Threshold it's going to be a free update.

Microsoft makes the bulk of their money from business licenses, not from nickel and diming consumer end users.

Microsoft pulling a 180 on what they said before about a free update bringing windowed modern apps and new start menu for existing windows 8 users. It wouldn't be the first time they turn around on things. If they did though it wouldn't hurt where they make their money, it would hurt their perception with end users.

Make no mistake, Microsoft makes way more money on things like Enterprise Agreements, and Open Licensing agreements then they do off of anyone's mom and dad trying to get Windows at a best buy.

For the past few years consumer Windows upgrades through purchasing has been at a low. New hardware being sold and enterprise really do make the bulk of the sales for Windows.

Office 365 And Azure will be the next major set of high volume licenses Microsoft does.

Vigilant said,
Make no mistake, Microsoft makes way more money on things like Enterprise Agreements, and Open Licensing agreements then they do off of anyone's mom and dad trying to get Windows at a best buy.

You're right. But they also rely as heavily on OEM licensing revenue. Being a free update to existing users does not mean it will be free to OEMs. So mom & pop will still pay for it with a new PC though it will be buried in the sticker price.

I do think it will/should be a free update for owners of existing owners.

Again, I disagree, Microsoft *sells* you licenses, whether they're upgrade, retail, OEM, bulk, or Enterprise. That's their business model. If anything, there will be a small charge for the upgrade SKU for legitimate Win8.1 and Windows 7 users, similar to the way the Windows 8 and Windows 7 upgrades worked. Remember, things have changed since Build.

OEMs will get free copies as they do now with certain devices and Windows 8.1, otherwise, you'll be charged for the upgrade. Expect to pay full price for a retail key, and expect to pay again should you buy a Threshold device.

Edited by Dot Matrix, Aug 22 2014, 10:52am :

JHBrown said,
This needs to be the Windows that redeems Microsoft. They cannot have another Windows 8.

This needs to be the Windows that redeems Microsoft. They cannot have another Windows Vista.

This needs to be the Windows that redeems Microsoft. They cannot have another Windows ME.

And yet they are still here...

They have no competition on the desktop and haven't since ... ... ... Windows 3.1. Even then they really didn't, OS/2 and MacOS had no shot at high volume or mass consumer adoptions for various reasons.

Yogurth said,

...but down from almost 95% of desktop market to ~90%.


And when you do the numbers, that's a lot of computers!

Nice. September will be fun. Really hoping a modern version of the File Explorer makes its debut on Windows 8.x and / or Windows 9, and also eagerly awaiting Cortana to be included as well.

You already have that... it's called the "OneDrive" (formerly "SkyDrive") Modern app. Just launch it, and at the top, just tap the drop-down to change OneDrive to This PC. Browse files and folders to your heart's content.

Even though I use One Drive extensively, I had forgotten about the modern OneDrive app. For the most part it does the trick nicely. Thanks for the tip.

It really should be renamed to "Files" or something. Even if it defaults to One Drive. It's completely non-obvious and non-intuitive.... leading people to continue asking for what's already there :-)

Funny when dbam987 said modern version of File Explorer I thought "updated" not Microsoft Store App.

How about a tabbed File Explorer with "Alt" Key functionality for switching tabs. It's about time.

Please do the following...

New screensavers and wallpapers, maybe add Bing's homepage background as an option.
Some nice eye candy to windows.

Move the Recycle Bin out of the desktop and onto the Taskbar.

Recycyle Bin onto the Taskbar (Dock) thing is patented by Apple. It is very much unlikely that Microsoft will bring this feature.

However, there will be surprise for the wallpaper customization, I am guessing they would be similar to Lockscreen of WP.

Multiple virtual desktop would be another 'killer' feature. :)

Yeah the WP lock screen would be cool.

BTW, Linux Mint and Ubuntu have the trash can on the dock. I think MS doesn't move the Recycle Bin 'cause it's been three since Windows 95. I added the RecBin to Explorer's Favorites. I like a clean desktop.

Please sort out the basics this time around

give us windows 9 in iso form please, and in six months time update the thing! (and not just for msdn)

a windows update overhaul wouldn't so a miss either ;-)

glen8 said,
Please sort out the basics this time around

give us windows 9 in iso form please, and in six months time update the thing! (and not just for msdn)

a windows update overhaul wouldn't so a miss either ;-)

About the update thing: When you install the preview, a prerequisite is that you have to accept to install all the updates they will bring to it until release.

Sszecret said,

About the update thing: When you install the preview, a prerequisite is that you have to accept to install all the updates they will bring to it until release.

agreed, I am however talking about what happens after final release

Have you seen the thread regarding slipstreaming updates into isos through dism and a virtual machine. Seriously! just keep your isos updated please ms!

better yet, do what apple do and have internet restores.

xrobwx said,
Hopefully $39.99 like 8 was. I jumped on that like white on rice.

$14.99 if you said you bought a new computer they never bothered to check. Upgraded a 7 and a vista computer that way

Jose_49 said,
Please... icons!

You know, there will be new icons. They may look exactly the same as the current ones, but they will scale to huge PPI.

I know it's much much much much easier said than done, but I believe that the end of this madness will be using .svg graphics or a vectorized UI.

deadonthefloor said,

You know, there will be new icons. They may look exactly the same as the current ones, but they will scale to huge PPI.

They can already scale to huge PPI.

Dot Matrix said,
They can already scale to huge PPI.

Just remember watching something from build about how they test scaling by using an RDP session set to 500% DPI scaling to test rendering and finding things that needed to be fixed/changed/updated.

Martin Sundhaug said,
Vista icons? What about the W95/NT3.5 icons??

Where are you finding those in day to day use?

Enron said,

You use the registry editor every day?

It's really annoying, though. Staring at an old icon on your shiny new Surface and remembering the oddness of Windows. Modern UI FTW.

Enron said,

You use the registry editor every day?

Some people do. I mean, I see it at least twice a month, which makes its outdated icon seem fairly significant to me in this case.

itisomegakai said,
Rubs hands in anticipation

Microsoft has dished out nothing but disappointment since last 2-3 years. When expectation are so high, I am prepared to be disappointed.

d5aqoëp said,

Microsoft has dished out nothing but disappointment since last 2-3 years. When expectation are so high, I am prepared to be disappointed.

That is a very valid opinionated assessment. Though, I think Microsoft has done some of their best work the last 2-3 years personally =).

Yup, the majority opinion is that since XP.. they have done great work.

Only people with pissant amounts of RAM had issues with Vista, Windows 7 was excellent.. Windows 8 was faster than Windows 7. Etc.