Microsoft inviting iPhone jailbreaker to give WP7 a try

Microsoft has displayed some very surprising reactions to those wanting to hack the Windows Phone 7 devices. It may be that since it is legal to jailbreak your phone they are embracing something they can no longer fight. Microsoft has invited famous iPhone jailbreaker Geohot to have a stab at jailbreaking Windows Phone 7 devices. 

A group by the name of ChevronWP7 has already created the first jailbreak for Microsoft's WP7. Microsoft even went so far as to sit down and meet with the group giving them t-shirts to memorialize the event. Now Brandon Watson, WP7 director, tweeted "#geohot if you want to build cool stuff on #wp7, send me email and the team will give you a phone - let dev creativity flourish #wp7dev"

On the bright side George Hotz (Geohot) can work on WP7 without worrying about adding to his legal dilemmas. Sony is currently suing Hotz for offering the jailbreak for the PS3, the judge has currently delayed ruling on the case. Apple is also trying to find ways to end jailbreaking on their devices, according to NetworkWorld Apple said

Current jailbreak technologies now in widespread use utilize unauthorized modifications to the copyrighted bootloader and operating system, resulting in the infringement of the copyrights in those programs.

Microsoft has been responding well to hackers recently, initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds. They are now supporting Windows Phone 7 hackers as well, maybe they have finally decided that it may be more beneficial to everyone to help foster innovation in their devices rather than fight it.

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ctrl_alt_delete said,

hmm, lets see, what you can see what the best hackers are doing, you would be in a better position to have better security in your OS and this benifits your users plus it helps devs also


And you don't have to pay a hacker a salary.

kazgor said,
what the point of asking a hackers to come hack W7 phones, why not just release an open W7 system instead that doesnt require any hacks.

They're not asking him to hack, they're asking him to make cool stuff. They want to be as friendly as they can with hackers to try and prevent them from resorting to creating means that enable piracy, for as long as possible.

They are letting this happen because there's actually no "threat" such as a virus or something that damages the system when using those cracks. What I still don't understand is why they haven't done anything to prevent the download of free apps from their Marketplace... Well, it's from them.... I hope they know what they are doing.

I'm looking at getting a Samsung Focus or maybe something even better by the end of this year - do a trifecta and upgrade my desktop/laptop and phone all the same time with a grand move over to WP7

Mr Nom Nom's said,
I'm looking at getting a Samsung Focus or maybe something even better by the end of this year - do a trifecta and upgrade my desktop/laptop and phone all the same time with a grand move over to WP7

The Focus is getting near the bottom of the barrel with the first crop. After playing with most of the different handsets, I'd put it in at least 4th or 5th place. It's all down to a matter of opinion combined with specs. It doesn't have the best specs either. If you're waiting until the end of the year, wait for the new devices coming out later before you make a jump for sure. All I know is that it's time to release new handsets. The ones on the market now are getting stale and old. They can do a lot better. I believe that's the reason they didn't have the best lauch too. We need better handsets.

dogmai79 said,

The Focus is getting near the bottom of the barrel with the first crop. After playing with most of the different handsets, I'd put it in at least 4th or 5th place. It's all down to a matter of opinion combined with specs. It doesn't have the best specs either. If you're waiting until the end of the year, wait for the new devices coming out later before you make a jump for sure. All I know is that it's time to release new handsets. The ones on the market now are getting stale and old. They can do a lot better. I believe that's the reason they didn't have the best lauch too. We need better handsets.

The Dell Venue Pro is neither old or behind the curve. I absolutely love mine.

dogmai79 said,

The Focus is getting near the bottom of the barrel with the first crop. .

I'm not sure what makes yout think something like this.. for 99% of the market the Focus is more phone for the money than any other device out there.

jailbreaking & rooting should be legal. it unlocks alot of features that are crippled in these devices when you buy them. im glad microsoft is going this route.

"initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds"

Urmm, not quite sure they did. They said they weren't happy with anyone making unauthorized modifications of the Kinect hardware. No one has.

~Johnny said,
"initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds"

Urmm, not quite sure they did. They said they weren't happy with anyone making unauthorized modifications of the Kinect hardware. No one has.

From what I've heard, Microsoft want to release their own version of Kinect for PC so pressing charges against the hackers would be a little hypocritical.

jingarelho said,
"jailbreaking" MS products was very good for them over the year... take a look at windows.

I wish people would stop using the term "jailbreaking" to describe EVERY form of hacking/unlocking. Windows hackers REMOVE the WGA components to prevent activation, WP7 hackers UNLOCK their phones to turn them into a developer device and allow side loading of apps.

REM2000 said,
I would be happy if they removed activation on Windows, when it goes wrong it can be a real pain.

I would agree, but what would you replace it with. Microsoft have to protect their IP in someway and activation is the best way to do that for now.

It's really funny how companies of the past decade or so have tried keeping development out of the hands of the masses. Back when I was younger (in the 80's), I had a Commodore 64. The really nice thing about this computer was that the company, magazines, and other book publishers would openly discuss programming and hardware modifications. They wanted the public to be able to design software and devices for the system, and it worked really well. Then after it's demise and the rise of Microsoft and Apple, the companies wanted to keep control over what was developed. Then Apple and Sony started to try and make it illegal for anyone who was not within their approved circle to develop things for their systems. I applaud Microsoft in their decision to no go after those who have hacked the Kinect or WP7. However, I also believe that these should not have had to been hacked. They should have been open to this development from the beginning. Back to the past, the nice thing about the C64 was openly known how to access the different components through programming and complete schematics were available for the hardware. It would be nice to see things like this again.

My hats off for Microsoft. This will motivate the hackers even more and Microsoft will definitely benefit from their creativity. Win-win situation for everyone. The only losers are the childish companies, like Apple, Sony, etc.

Finally Microsoft is becoming the admirable company loved by not just the public but instead the individuals that bring innovation to the Google, Facebook: Programmers.
I really think they need to have an office on Silicon Valley to attract more talent. Maybe the have a shot at getting their talent back from Apple.

Lui Jimenez said,
I really think they need to have an office on Silicon Valley to attract more talent. Maybe the have a shot at getting their talent back from Apple.

Microsoft opened their Silicon Valley campus in October 1999. It's possibly their biggest campus outside of Redmond.

it's a pure publicity stun. why do ms need to invit the iphone jailbreak guy to jailbreak wp7, it's already done by the guy holding the t-shirt up there. what's the point of reinventing the wheel? it doesn't matter, if at the end of the day, the phone is sold, that's the buttom line.

koo9 said,
it's a pure publicity stun. why do ms need to invit the iphone jailbreak guy to jailbreak wp7, it's already done by the guy holding the t-shirt up there. what's the point of reinventing the wheel? it doesn't matter, if at the end of the day, the phone is sold, that's the buttom line.

ChevronWP7 wasn't a jailbreak, it simply unlocks the device i.e. gives it a developer certificate to allow sideloading of apps.

How exactly can this be interpreted as "inviting" someone to hack the phone? It sounds more to me like they're just giving him a phone and inviting him to develop applications for it. It sounds to me more like a "come on in- the water's fine" type of thing.

Skwerl said,
How exactly can this be interpreted as "inviting" someone to hack the phone? It sounds more to me like they're just giving him a phone and inviting him to develop applications for it. It sounds to me more like a "come on in- the water's fine" type of thing.

The real hackers of the world want to promote freedom, not freedom to pirate software on the platform, but rather freedom to do what the hell they want with the very expensive hardware they've just blown a weeks wages on.
Imagin 10 years on, where these bits of hardware such as the ps3/360/wp7 etc all running locked down software that is no longer supported by the providers. they become useless junk. What geohot and other hackers do, is give freedom to use the hardware again.

If people want to change the cover from black to white, they should be able to, and most people do that. If they don't want it to run the OS it was shipped with and want to run their very own, then they should be able to do that too.

Now, here is the interesting part. People like Geohot are generally happy to abide by the rules until the hardware can do something but they're not 'allowed' to do it due to the OS.

In the case of the PS3, he and fellow hackers alike were happy to beable to run Linux (via OtherOS) and in turn, Linux allowed them to run what ever software they wanted to write. Sony didn't allow them full access to the graphics chip, memory, or even all the cores on the CPU. So when Sony removed a feature (OtherOS) that they had paid for(and had been using) the hackers wanted their Linux back and we all know where that has left Sony now, not only have the hackers got their system back, but Sony also lost their master keys and pretty much lost restricted access to the rest of the hardware, such as graphcs, memory, hyperviser etc.

The way Microsoft are playing it is very smart of them. Lead hackers, such as Geohot are not interested in piracy, they are doing it for opensource, freedom to use the hardware as they want. My guess is now that Microsoft has XNA for the xbox/PC developers they'll be creating something simular with the WP7 and will be taking on Geohot to create something that he sees the SDK can't do, its only then when Microsoft will add a around about way of support for what geohot and like minded hackers in the scene really want to do...

Hopefully when the product life cycle completes Microsoft will open the devices so things like the 360 doesn't require a gold sub to run XNA development software on it rather then letting the xboxes rott like the original xbox.

It's kinda funny how paying WP7 developers have more restrictions than rouge developers do , I really just hope a new XNA sdk update that will add all the API functionaility that should have been in there in the first place or just drop XNA all together and provide managed wrappers around native functions if MS wants to keep programmers on .NET rather than native code.


Imagin 10 years on, where these bits of hardware such as the ps3/360/wp7 etc all running locked down software that is no longer supported by the providers. they become useless junk. What geohot and other hackers do, is give freedom to use the hardware again.

Actually I'm picturing a world were game developers are stuck working with XNA...I think I'm just going to stock up on aspirin and stay on the XDA forums .

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