Microsoft: No need to make a phone because we have "some say" in Nokia's Lumia

After the Surface launched, many have speculated that Microsoft may be looking to build the "Surface Phone" which would run as the flagship model for Windows Phone 8, much like the Nexus 4 to Android. Of course, Microsoft have always denied the rumours, and with good reason. In an interview given today, Casey McGee, Microsoft's senior marketing manager for Windows Phone, has stated that Microsoft has a relationship "so close" with Nokia that the Lumia series feels "like our child too." 

Pocket-lint picked up on the interview, which then goes on to talk about what Microsoft has influence in: "Our relationship [with Nokia] is so close we get hardware early and we have some say in how these things are designed."

McGee went on to say that it might "feel a little bit different" for the engineers and designers at Nokia, suggesting that what Microsoft says, goes. Microsoft is "very happy with the relationship and the ability to influence what [Nokia] are doing." McGee hinted that Microsoft also has a say in other hardware manufactures, when she said: "We enjoy having the variety that we do. We are so close to the process that it feels like our child too. Especially with Nokia."

If Microsoft is "especially" influential with Nokia, then they must be slightly influential with other manufactures. Microsoft has pushed some serious dollars into the marketing of the HTC 8X, which may be what McGee is referring too. 

Microsoft does build their own hardware, including the Xbox and Surface tablets. It goes without saying that the Xbox is a huge success, and many praised the Surface's design, even if sales figures are low

Source: Pocket-lint

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Does this mean that Microsoft is no longer to dabble in phones, i.e., Phone 8, Phone 9, etc.? If so, more talent can then be spent on fixing the Windows-8 mess and coming up with a legitimate successor to Windows-7.

For **** sake they need to change the way you connect your phone to PC.

I was of the idea that KIES was a PoS software, but found other ways for android phones in general. Itunes was next on my list of crap software. But now Zune tops everything.

I was playing with a Nokia Lumia 610... fast, really nice phone... but god forbid you try to backup your phone. I had a friend phone for a week and I was thinking I can backup and wipe the phone so I can play with it and restore it after that. Not a chance.

And almost 500mb of downloads just to install Zune on Windows XP? Who was the genius behind it?

[quote=Atreus said,]For **** sake they need to change the way you connect your phone to PC.

I was of the idea that KIES was a PoS software, but found other ways for android phones in general. Itunes was next on my list of crap software. But now Zune tops everything.

I was playing with a Nokia Lumia 610... fast, really nice phone... but god forbid you try to backup your phone. I had a friend phone for a week and I was thinking I can backup and wipe the phone so I can play with it and restore it after that. Not a chance.
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Try with a WP8 device..... I dream to have Zune back.......

Fritzly said,
Try with a WP8 device..... I dream to have Zune back.......

Have Zune back? Doesn't WP8 support Drag&Drop? Why would I want Zune if I have Drag&Drop?

MFH said,

Have Zune back? Doesn't WP8 support Drag&Drop? Why would I want Zune if I have Drag&Drop?

My music folder is 75GB; try to identify a song using the actual apps available.
With Zune: scroll down, check what you want to sync.

Fritzly said,

My music folder is 75GB; try to identify a song using the actual apps available.
With Zune: scroll down, check what you want to sync.

I don't have a WP, but syncing is a perfectly normal feature of WMP... (Has been for ages now...) Plus: it's not limited to Zune/WP...

MFH said,

I don't have a WP, but syncing is a perfectly normal feature of WMP... (Has been for ages now...) Plus: it's not limited to Zune/WP...

Do you mean Windows Media Player? This is what I am using right now because WP8 apps do not sync dynamic playlists. Again Zune was MS pushed with WP7, in fact not updating WMP, but with the latest apps for WP8 the regression is completely unacceptable: there is no way to sort music by songs, author etc., as I said no sync of dynamic playlist etc.
Just take a look here:
http://answers.microsoft.com/t...de43-4af6-8069-4626090289a3

Fritzly said,
Do you mean Windows Media Player?

Yep that's what I'm using for all my media devices. For a simple reason that is: well integrated UI + no store BS or other s**t I don't want.

Never liked Zune as it was lacking in terms of media organization (IMHO) and I've given up all hope on the WinRT apps...

To be honest, I'd rather have Microsoft working with Nokia on the design/capabilities of their Windows Phones than doing a stand alone product without MS input. This way those new innovations are guaranteed to come out on the Nokia flagship device and potentially those capabilities co-developed could work their way back to the rest of the OS regardless of who makes the device, benefiting the entire ecosystem (Nokia Maps and Drive for example).

DarkNet said,
The Lumia 920 is physically beautiful.

Absolutely, but in terms of specs it's distinctly lacking. It's only a dual-core (and not even a very high clocked one), it only has 1GB of RAM, it's heavy and it has an embedded battery that's only 2000mAh. In comparison to phones like the HTC One and Galaxy S4 it's way behind, plus there's no denying that the app ecosystem is underdeveloped in comparison to the competition.

There's a lot that Nokia is doing right but it needs to stop sticking mid-range specs into high-end phones.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Absolutely, but in terms of specs it's distinctly lacking. It's only a dual-core (and not even a very high clocked one), it only has 1GB of RAM, it's heavy and it has an embedded battery that's only 2000mAh. In comparison to phones like the HTC One and Galaxy S4 it's way behind, plus there's no denying that the app ecosystem is underdeveloped in comparison to the competition.

There's a lot that Nokia is doing right but it needs to stop sticking mid-range specs into high-end phones.

You do know you're comparing a phone from 2012 with two unreleased phones don't you. Also, as Drossel said, it's the experience that matters, not the specs, and the Lumia range offers a much smoother, more responsive experience than anything running Android regardless of the specs.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Absolutely, but in terms of specs it's distinctly lacking. It's only a dual-core (and not even a very high clocked one), it only has 1GB of RAM, it's heavy and it has an embedded battery that's only 2000mAh. In comparison to phones like the HTC One and Galaxy S4 it's way behind, plus there's no denying that the app ecosystem is underdeveloped in comparison to the competition.

There's a lot that Nokia is doing right but it needs to stop sticking mid-range specs into high-end phones.

Since I just got my 3970x CPU today I guess I can bash everything else as pure s*it now? Probably will never use its full potential considering my workloads but what the hell, I'll just let it sit there and brag about it since I'm a specwhore. Logic, you're lacking some.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Since I just got my 3970x CPU today I guess I can bash everything else as pure s*it now?

No, but you could bash everything else as slow as hell

Drossel said,
Who cares about specs? Everything is smooooooooooth. That's what it counts.

Exactly. Why sacrifice battery when the platform doesn't need it?

M_Lyons10 said,

Exactly. Why sacrifice battery when the platform doesn't need it?

This is a good point. A lower capacity battery will last just as long as a higher capacity battery in an Android device because Android is chewing up clock cycles. It's the user experience you get with Windows Phone that makes it that much better.

Unfortunately, Android requires far higher specs to run at an acceptable speed. iOS and WP8 are both FAR superior systems using much more modern software development techniques. Android is written in the Java kiddie-language and will never be able to compete head-to-head on the same hardware. This is why Android phones appear to be much higher specced. Android users are paying through the nose for technology the rest of us don't need.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Absolutely, but in terms of specs it's distinctly lacking. It's only a dual-core (and not even a very high clocked one), it only has 1GB of RAM, it's heavy and it has an embedded battery that's only 2000mAh. In comparison to phones like the HTC One and Galaxy S4 it's way behind, plus there's no denying that the app ecosystem is underdeveloped in comparison to the competition.

There's a lot that Nokia is doing right but it needs to stop sticking mid-range specs into high-end phones.


Specs don't matter when comparing to other platforms. Android is pretty much always running, which is why it needs that hardware. You are better comparing the Lumia to another Windows Phone device.

I don't like Windows Phone at all, it's not for me, but the Lumia 920 (which is an old design that Nokia has been using for a while and there is nothing wrong with that) is one of the best designs for phones.

I only wish it had better hardware if Nokia were to ever put Android on it. Since that may never happen, specs is irrelevant to this conversation.

Major Plonquer said,
Unfortunately, Android requires far higher specs to run at an acceptable speed. iOS and WP8 are both FAR superior systems using much more modern software development techniques. Android is written in the Java kiddie-language and will never be able to compete head-to-head on the same hardware. This is why Android phones appear to be much higher specced. Android users are paying through the nose for technology the rest of us don't need.

Really? The S4 Quad-core not Octo-core outperforms the iPhone and NO windows phone actually bade those benchmark charts. The contract price for most Android phones are on par to most other phones and the wholesale price is also on par. So how exactly are Android users paying through the nose?

Just because you can get a Lumia for $49 on contract doesn't mean anything. Microsoft is trying very hard to sell these phones. They will not sell it if the phone was $199 on contract. People are better off with an iPhone # or a Galaxy S# phone. Better ecosystem.

DarkNet said,
Why not. Everyone else is doing it.

For once, they'll get to sit back and watch everyone else fail, and perhaps pull an Apple and release a version that actually is successful a decade later... making everyone think they invented it.

Or once again channel their inner Steve Jobs and just say no.

rfirth said,

For once, they'll get to sit back and watch everyone else fail, and perhaps pull an Apple and release a version that actually is successful a decade later... making everyone think they invented it.

Or once again channel their inner Steve Jobs and just say no.


Or say been there, done that?

DarkNet said,
Why not. Everyone else is doing it.

Microsoft already made a smart watch about 10 years ago, it just never made it to market. So yeah they have "been there done that".

rfirth said,

For once, they'll get to sit back and watch everyone else fail, and perhaps pull an Apple and release a version that actually is successful a decade later... making everyone think they invented it.

Or once again channel their inner Steve Jobs and just say no.

Don't kid yourself. They thought the same thing about the OS and Android. Look where they are now. They thought the same thing about mainstream tablets, again look where they are now.

Do you work for MSFT? You sure know how they think. By that I mean the shortsightedness.

DarkNet said,

They thought the same thing about mainstream tablets, again look where they are now.

Microsoft had been evangelizing tablets for a decade before the iPad was released. And where are they today? Selling the most feature-packed, powerful tablets on the market today.


Do you work for MSFT? You sure know how they think. By that I mean the shortsightedness.

No, I don't work for Microsoft.

rfirth said,

Microsoft had been evangelizing tablets for a decade before the iPad was released. And where are they today? Selling the most feature-packed, powerful tablets on the market today.

Wow, impressive. What is their market share like?

Shadowzz said,

the some say part made me think of top gear

ohh. i dont want that show, so i guess thats why i didnt get it