Microsoft: No new Windows RT devices on sale this spring

Microsoft Windows CFO Tami Reller has been interviewed by quite a few media outlets today and while she seems to be sticking to a company script for the most part about Windows 8 sales, there are some interesting nuggets that have cropped up.

One of them came in a chat with Bloomberg where Reller stated that there will be no new Windows RT-based devices released this spring. This is in contrast to plans by Microsoft and other PC OEM companies to launch new touchscreen-based Windows 8 tablets, notebooks and convertibles during the spring shopping season.

Reller indicated that Microsoft wants to take the time to get more units of the five currently released Windows RT-based tablets, which run on ARM-designed processors, into the marketplace before launching new models. Microsoft itself led the way with its Surface RT tablet and so far Asus, Lenovo and Dell have followed suit. Samsung has also launched its Windows RT tablet, the ATIV Tab, but it has confirmed it won't be launched in the US.

With only five Windows RT-based products on sale (just four in the US), and no plans to release new Windows RT tablets for the next several months, one has to question the future of Windows RT as Microsoft makes the push for more new Windows 8 products, including its own Surface Pro tablet which launches on Saturday.

Source: Bloomberg | Image via Samsung

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MS is not dumping the Surface brand or hardware plan. Where do people make up this crap from? The company is opening hundreds of retail stores and it needs hardware to sell. MS also wants to replicate the business that resulted in such high revenue and profit for Samsung and Apple. The only way to do that is to make the hardware today.

Thats like 'waiting' for WP8 two years ago - its a non starter. Whatever your reasons for waiting, which you didn't cite a single one, are irrelevant to v2.

In related news, Apple will not be releasing a new iPhone this spring. I am starting to question the future of the iPhone.

Edit: Just to be clear, before I get a bunch of fanboys calling me a hater, I don't think the iPhone is dying, nor is it dead. Just showing how just because a new something is not announced does not mean that it is dying.

nohone said,
In related news, Apple will not be releasing a new iPhone this spring. I am starting to question the future of the iPhone.

Edit: Just to be clear, before I get a bunch of fanboys calling me a hater, I don't think the iPhone is dying, nor is it dead. Just showing how just because a new something is not announced does not mean that it is dying.

Nah, you're not a hater, you're like a guard dog, attacking anything that competes with MS.

As for a new WRT, it's to soon for a new product, especially when the current ones have such a tiny market share.

Just to be clear, I dislike Apple and the mentality of most of their users and I dislike the same mentality appearing around MS.

Except "Windows RT devices" aren't really comparable to the iPhone/iPad, they're comparable more to Android tablets. There are loads of those coming out, and no new Windows RT tablets coming out.

Personally I don't think it means anything, but some might say it's evidence that device manufacturers don't see much of a future for Windows RT.

virtorio said,
Personally I don't think it means anything, but some might say it's evidence that device manufacturers don't see much of a future for Windows RT.

They probably don't think they can adequately compete with the Surface RT.

Luc2k said,

Nah, you're not a hater, you're like a guard dog, attacking anything that competes with MS.

Nope, I just want the same standards applied to all. If Microsoft is wrong for something, when Apple, Google, whomever does it, then they are wrong also. And yes, it applies in the other direction, also.

I have products from many different manufacturers, and I will point out the problems in those devices when it is justified. I have iPads, iTouches, Macs, just picked up another iPod this weekend (the new Nano), a couple Android devices, as well as the Microsoft counterparts. And each of them have their pros and cons (I bought the Nano so I could use the Bluetooth to connect to my audio receiver, something my Zune did not do). But I will speak up when there is a double standard that only seems to apply to Microsoft in criticism.

I know the example was not the best one, but it was just that, and example. Would you have felt better if I wrote Apple TV instead?

virtorio said,
Except "Windows RT devices" aren't really comparable to the iPhone/iPad, they're comparable more to Android tablets. There are loads of those coming out, and no new Windows RT tablets coming out.

Personally I don't think it means anything, but some might say it's evidence that device manufacturers don't see much of a future for Windows RT.


Some might say there's not much point before Tegra 4 shows up.

nohone said,

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I do not know you, I don't know what products you use (or care). I know only what I see you post. Even in the post above, where you said you criticise everyone, you only actually did it to Apple products.

Most importantly though, you say you want equality in criticism but nobody had attacked MS in the article or in the comments posted before yours. The article itself is neutral, just states a fact about new devices and there's no mention of any competing products.

Furthermore, this is Neowin and I think it's safe to say that the majority of users here use MS products. From the polls here there's a much higher percentage of W8 installs than in the wild for example.

In conclusion, I don't know where the hell you get this feeling that MS is the only one criticised around here, while everyone else gets a free pass. You even attack legitimate opinions if you as much as perceive criticism.

Luc2k said,

I do not know you, I don't know what products you use (or care). I know only what I see you post. Even in the post above, where you said you criticise everyone, you only actually did it to Apple products.

Most importantly though, you say you want equality in criticism but nobody had attacked MS in the article or in the comments posted before yours. The article itself is neutral, just states a fact about new devices and there's no mention of any competing products.

Furthermore, this is Neowin and I think it's safe to say that the majority of users here use MS products. From the polls here there's a much higher percentage of W8 installs than in the wild for example.

In conclusion, I don't know where the hell you get this feeling that MS is the only one criticised around here, while everyone else gets a free pass. You even attack legitimate opinions if you as much as perceive criticism.

I was not criticizing Apple nor their products, and that was the point of why I wrote it. Are people really that sad that they have to turn not releasing something into company x is being attacked? Fine, let me change my example once again, Microsoft will not be releasing a new edition of Visual Studio this year - it must mean they are giving up on the developer, developer, developers! See how absurd that sounds?

And no, I don't believe that Microsoft is the only one that is criticized. The difference is we have constant attacking of WinRT, Win8, and Surface. It is a failure, it means the end of Microsoft, Microsoft is no longer relevant. But you try to inject some stats and numbers into the conversation then you are labeled a paid shill, trying to suppress the opinions of others, and often the claims of the Win8 army is out to attack. But try to discuss anything that does not portray Microsoft's competition as the best, you are a hater who must be dealt with accordingly. Just earlier today for the first time in a long time, I saw the label hater applied to people arguing against Win8, and the comments of how dare that person stoop to such low levels as to call someone a hater for expressing their opinions? A few days ago there was a poll about if you hate Apple, an accusation that is often made, and a group of people were so upset, that there were calls for a boycott of this site, well known members said they would leave, and the article was eventually pulled. So apparently it is ok to claim people hate Apple, but asking them is a grave offense. Someone tells a lie, saying the Surface is plastic painted to look like metal, try to correct them and you are a hater. Someone first says they have an iPhone and how great it is, then in the same thread says they have never owned an Apple product, but has a WP7 and talks about how bad but they don't know the difference between Windows Phone and Windows - when you point out the inconsistencies - you a ignorant hater. And I can list many instances of this happening over and over again where expressing my opinion I am personally attacked, but don't you dare question someone else or their favorite product, or you are made out to be the most horrible person on earth. And yes, I have become more antagonistic over it, because I am tired of one group of people attacking me because of my opinion.

A few days ago, among a flurry of people mocking the number of apps on the Win8 and WP stores, I made a comment along the line of "when the Surface Pro is released, the number of iOS apps will look anemic, my comment was deleted and I received a warning for trolling. I guess rather than trying to reply, I should just start hitting that report button, and give my warning as an example. Of course, then there will not be too many comments left.

nohone said,
Just earlier today for the first time in a long time, I saw the label hater applied to people arguing against Win8, and the comments of how dare that person stoop to such low levels as to call someone a hater for expressing their opinions?

I only applied it as a joking response to a statement...I doubt that's what you're talking about but sheesh some of the things flying about are over the top.

nohone said,
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Let me give one more example of the hater thing, and then I will leave it alone to not continue the "controversy"

A few days ago there was some guy in the forums who claimed that BillG started the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to kill children - I am not exaggerating, he claimed that he was funding programs in Africa to inoculate children, but because BillG is an eugenicist he was using the foundation to kill children by purposely poisoning them. And yes, I as well as others mocked the "data" provided as proof, as well as the absurdity of the whole claim, and even the poster himself. And it was well deserved, calling someone like BillG a person who wants to wipe out parts of the human race because they are "undesirables." How did the poster turn the conversation - we are all just haters who cannot stand to have anything bad said about Bill or Microsoft, that he cannot believe how horrible we are for not being respectful of his opinion, and then he referenced a thread in the forums about how disrespectful people here are.

Yes, some of us joke about how Steve Jobs was worshipped as a god among Apple fans. But claiming that one of the most successful businessmen in the world is trying to commit genocide because he does not like them, the arguments against some of us are not that extreme, but it says a lot.

nohone said,
In related news, Apple will not be releasing a new iPhone this spring. I am starting to question the future of the iPhone.

Except the iPhone consistently sells zillions and is a market leader while RT and Surface are new to the game and no one is buying them

RT 2.0 is Windows Phone 9.0

RT is critically important in merging phone tablet and PC as one platform. Microsoft can't afford to not have Windows on ARM. MS has no choice but to continue supporting ARM and trying to establish parity with x86. Windows developers are now coding for x86 and ARM by default which means phone tablet and PC can eventually share an identical app store. This means not only are PC developers boosting app support for RT devices, but eventually for Windows Phones as well.

It certainly is looking like RT could be a big failure.

I live in Redmond, and I have seen Surface RTs running regular (legacy) desktop programs. The ability is there, but the function is disabled. With some of the talk that maybe an atom-based device would be the best of both worlds of software availability/power consumption, I wonder if MS has given any thought to creating a true Windows on Arm experience that is identical to that of the full-clown version?

The more I think about it, I think that RT is more about a closed-source ecosystem than it is about harnessing the 'awesome power' of ARM.

This couldn't possibly be due to consumer confusion right? I mean these are devices that run apps from the Windows Store, but don't run Windows apps.

I'm honestly not surprised. I just picked up an Asus Vivotab Smart and at this point I wonder what even is the point of RT? For the same price as a base Surface I get full Windows and the same 9 hour battery life. I installed an old copy of Office 2007 and I'm set.

The point of slates is that you won't run many desktop apps at that screen size (and why besides the bundled Office whose price you didn't allocate for, is largely irrelevant), hence if most time is spent in RT anyway, wouldn't you want the more polished device for the same price?

Don't get me wrong, the utility of having some lightweight x86 tools is enticing, I just don't think it will sway most people.

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