Microsoft seeds new developer tools, copy and paste onboard

Ever since Microsoft launched WP7, many have been asking for copy and paste. Microsoft has officially started seeding a new version of the Windows Phone Developer Tools to registered WP7 developers

Microsoft, via PPCGeeks, is touting copy and paste as "easy and intuitive" and it is expected that the official rollout of the feature set will happen in the next few weeks. Copy and paste is not the only upgrade the update will bring to the platform, it will also allow for better marketplace search and faster performance.

This update comes shortly after Microsoft posted up instructions on how to troubleshoot your update. All of this signals that Microsoft is getting ready to push out the update and finally bring some of the feature that users have been asking for. Microsoft states:

One question we hear often is: What’s next for Windows Phone? We’re obsessive about listening closely to our customers and improving our phone software. So over the next few months, look for updates that add some new features you’ve asked for and also tune up your phone’s performance.

Microsoft is putting a lot of weight behind WP7 and is promoting it with a $500 million dollar campaign. While Microsoft may be entering a maturing market, it has shown in the past that it has the ability to muscle into any arena and be profitable.

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That button does look a little small to hit, my fingers are thick and chunky (for strangling badgers)

"and it is expected that the official rollout of the feature set will happen in the next few weeks"

Unless you're on O2 in the UK, which means you can expect the update sometime between ... ohh say 2014 and the destruction of the earth.

DecoyDuck said,
"and it is expected that the official rollout of the feature set will happen in the next few weeks"

Unless you're on O2 in the UK, which means you can expect the update sometime between ... ohh say 2014 and the destruction of the earth.

I think that's one of the biggest selling points to Microsoft managing the update process. Carriers can't block you from these updates anymore, which had become a huge problem.

s3n4te said,
Copy and paste has been around since 1973. What's up with it not being already part of WP7?

They could have probably added copy/paste instead of smart links, but they did smart links first. Using that, instead of copying and then pasting a phone number or address, you just click it and it takes you to it. You can't have every single feature at once. WP7 also has Facebook integration, which is a feature that iOS doesn't have. So you can complain about that if you want to complain about copy/paste.

andrewbares said,

They could have probably added copy/paste instead of smart links, but they did smart links first. Using that, instead of copying and then pasting a phone number or address, you just click it and it takes you to it. You can't have every single feature at once. WP7 also has Facebook integration, which is a feature that iOS doesn't have. So you can complain about that if you want to complain about copy/paste.

Smart links and copy and paste are two completely different features. As for FB, personal preferences varies but personally I could not care less for it: for me FB is the plague of the 21st Century.......

s3n4te said,
Copy and paste has been around since 1973. What's up with it not being already part of WP7?

Well, technically it is in the base WinCE layer of WP7, it was just not implemented in the UI or the new upper level OS platform.

What's up with Android still not having Copy and Paste in most applications, as controls don't properly inherent the ability, and even built in essential areas of the OS applications don't support copy and paste like when trying to copy something from an email. Android has Copy and Paste, but it is very limited in that it is only provided through a 'text input' type control, and has no copy and paste functionality outside of this specific area. Copy and paste in application text areas, like in the browser, have to be hand coded into the application by the developers as the OS does not provide any copy and paste functionality outside of the basic 'text input' controls.

Maybe with WP7 putting in a good copy and paste model that does extend beyond just input controls, Android will get around to at least coding in copy and paste to essential areas of the included Apps beyond the browser.

Fritzly said,

Smart links and copy and paste are two completely different features. As for FB, personal preferences varies but personally I could not care less for it: for me FB is the plague of the 21st Century.......

Yes, and WP7 was designed to not need copy and paste. They're only adding it because people wanted it (Myself included). And they're adding it quickly. How long were people screaming for Apple to add copy and paste to the iPhone?

I think everyone's jumping the gun here. Brandon Watson said they "will" update the tools today, but as far as I can tell they haven't been released yet...

daniel_rh said,
Is great to see that they released the API to get access to the camera, I hope more APIs in the future

where do you see that? is this the api that allows for augmented reality apps?

There's a whole laundry list of things that weren't available in iOS, BlackBerry, Symbian "1.0" that are now *expected* in a mobile operating system.

"They didn't have it at first either" is not an acceptable excuse when you have a product you're trying to sell to consumers in a competitive market. You should be looking to *beat* your competitor, not to mirror the pace they took in developing a product. You'll never win the race if you constantly excuse yourself for being two steps behind because you missed the starting gun.

lunarworks said,
There's a whole laundry list of things that weren't available in iOS, BlackBerry, Symbian "1.0" that are now *expected* in a mobile operating system.

"They didn't have it at first either" is not an acceptable excuse when you have a product you're trying to sell to consumers in a competitive market. You should be looking to *beat* your competitor, not to mirror the pace they took in developing a product. You'll never win the race if you constantly excuse yourself for being two steps behind because you missed the starting gun.

They aren't 'excusing' themselves (MS), certain features had to slip to update 1 so that the target release date didn't slip - its not rocket science, and the version 1 product is solid.

When someone compares WP7 v1 to iOS/BB/Symbian v1 releases (in terms of missing features) they are doing so simply to make the point that no software is great with version 1!

The first update for WP7 will be around 3-4 months after release, we do not yet have a definitive list of features or enhancements and until we do, its all just mouth flapping.

I for one am very happy with the Samsung Omnia 7, yes I am looking forward to added features but I certainly dont feel hampered or 'behind' the competition - on the whole the UI and fresh design, along with features the competitions doesn't have (instant camera from lock screen, native find my phone/wipe my phone, one note sync, brilliant exchange support, native office apps, xbox live integration.........) makes me very pleased with my VERSION 1 product but with room for excitement on future updates

duddit2 said,

They aren't 'excusing' themselves (MS), certain features had to slip to update 1 so that the target release date didn't slip - its not rocket science, and the version 1 product is solid.

When someone compares WP7 v1 to iOS/BB/Symbian v1 releases (in terms of missing features) they are doing so simply to make the point that no software is great with version 1!

The first update for WP7 will be around 3-4 months after release, we do not yet have a definitive list of features or enhancements and until we do, its all just mouth flapping.

I for one am very happy with the Samsung Omnia 7, yes I am looking forward to added features but I certainly dont feel hampered or 'behind' the competition - on the whole the UI and fresh design, along with features the competitions doesn't have (instant camera from lock screen, native find my phone/wipe my phone, one note sync, brilliant exchange support, native office apps, xbox live integration.........) makes me very pleased with my VERSION 1 product but with room for excitement on future updates

Here here

duddit2 said,

They aren't 'excusing' themselves (MS), certain features had to slip to update 1 so that the target release date didn't slip - its not rocket science, and the version 1 product is solid.

When someone compares WP7 v1 to iOS/BB/Symbian v1 releases (in terms of missing features) they are doing so simply to make the point that no software is great with version 1!

As I always say personal opinion varies but IMO WP7 V1 is just a half backed OS.

Besides if I launch a product today my product has to be competitive with what the competition offer today, not what they launched three years ago.
Jut few example:
I would happily trade "instant camera" with a camera that remember my settings

"Brilliant Exchange support" again I wwould happily trade it with Exchange support that allows the phone to be used with it; check the NGs and you will see how many people cannot because of the lack of encription, problems loading the certificate etc..

"One Note sync" Sync on the "Cloud" ONLY is, legally, not an option for a lot of entities, besides people who do not like it. And yes I am one of them.

"Find my phone/ Wipe my phone" Is it new? I had it in my WM 6.5 device; Oops you are right: with WP 7 I cannot sync anymore my SMS. An impressive improvement indeed.....

Just to mention few issues.....

lunarworks said,
There's a whole laundry list of things that weren't available in iOS, BlackBerry, Symbian "1.0" that are now *expected* in a mobile operating system.

"They didn't have it at first either" is not an acceptable excuse when you have a product you're trying to sell to consumers in a competitive market. You should be looking to *beat* your competitor, not to mirror the pace they took in developing a product. You'll never win the race if you constantly excuse yourself for being two steps behind because you missed the starting gun.

Not that I disagree, but you are pulling some false arguments together here.

iPhone, when released, lacked a number of features that had been standard on even non-smartphones for years like real bluetooth support, voice dialing, etc etc.

So, based on your argument, then the iPhone would have failed. It didn't.

The next part you are overlooking is the actual main feature being referenced, and this is Copy and Paste.

Do you realize that even though Android has been out for over a year, you still cannot copy and paste text from an email using the built in Email application? You can't even forward it or do anything with it so that you can get access to the email and copy and paste information from it.

So how good is the Copy and Paste on Android if one of the MAIN areas that people would use a feature like Copy and Paste, it simply doesn't work? WP7 is essentially leapfrogging Android, because you can copy and paste text from an email on WP7 or basically anywhere.

Which brings up another point that is missed. Even though there are some specific 'features' missing from WP7, the entire application platform that is new and it uses is advanced, which means that with things you can't see, WP7 is a large step ahead of where Android or iOS are with regard to the application platform and upper OS platform.

Why is this important to a user? Well for one thing, because WP7 is using a TRUE object oriented OS platform model, all existing applications will inherit the ability to use Copy and Paste, as the controls and objects that support it at the OS level carries over to the existing applicaitons that use elements of the OS platform. (See if Android had even an 'object based' application model, then things like freaking Email would support copy and paste, but it doesn't and has to be re-coded specifically to add this feature if they ever do.)

WP7 may not have mirrored all the existing features in Android and iOS at release, but they did put time into creating a far more advanced platform model that is far more intelligent and extensible and will serve the users and Microsoft in the future, as bi-directional relationships of the elements and controls in the applications will continue to 'grow' as features in the OS grow automatically.

Even iOS doesn't have this level of functionality, as customizations or changes to elements/controls/objects in Cocoa require them to be 'broken' from the OS, so they are no longer truly the elements/controls/objects that keep a relationship with the OS platform and its features.


So I do agree that Microsoft should be focusing on hitting the existing feature sets of what is out there, but I disagree in what you and many people are missing where Microsoft has far exceeded the features in the other phones and also have created platform that far exceeds what Android and iOS offer.

Where are your demands that iOS adds 'live tiles' or Android adds a DLNA, OS codec model, or even freaking copy and paste in the Android Email application?

WP7 is doing fine in comparison, and is ahead in far more areas than it seems to get credit.

It is a few months old, and is already ahead of Android in gaming, and is giving the iPhone a run on usability, and is out performing both Android and iOS easily due to the lighter WinCE kernel and inherent GPU acceleration features.

Look at the Snapdragon in WP7 devices, with XNA and WinCE drivers, they are getting 5-10x the GPU performance out of the SAME GPU chipset as Android with OpenGL is getting. (WP7 is even getting 3-8x the performance over the original Qualcomm numbers running a generic lightweight Linux and OpenGL on the same GPU.)


Where are all the accolades for the amazing performance WP7 is getting out of hardware?
Where are the accolades for the effortless UI model that just works?
Where are all the accolades for it being far more stable than Android or iOS?


Stability is not only in the FCs on Android that everyone deals with, and the random application closing that you get on iOS, but it also includes the memory model of WP7, where you don't have to worry about something with active information getting closed because the OS is running out of RAM like you get on Android, to the point where 'essential' applications are getting closed just because you wanted to open Google Earth.

The RAM managment on Android is nightmare and makes the multi-tasking virtually worthless, when you running something important in the background, that is trying to keep itself alive even and the OS decideds it needs RAM and nukes an important background application. Linux's memory model is kind of crap to begin with, but when you add on Googles VM and how it deals with applications it is just somewhere between stupid and insane.

thenetavenger said,

Not that I disagree, but you are pulling some false arguments together here.

iPhone, when released, lacked a number of features that had been standard on even non-smartphones for years like real bluetooth support, voice dialing, etc etc.

So, based on your argument, then the iPhone would have failed. It didn't.

The next part you are overlooking is the actual main feature being referenced, and this is Copy and Paste.

Do you realize that even though Android has been out for over a year, you still cannot copy and paste text from an email using the built in Email application? You can't even forward it or do anything with it so that you can get access to the email and copy and paste information from it.

So how good is the Copy and Paste on Android if one of the MAIN areas that people would use a feature like Copy and Paste, it simply doesn't work? WP7 is essentially leapfrogging Android, because you can copy and paste text from an email on WP7 or basically anywhere.

Which brings up another point that is missed. Even though there are some specific 'features' missing from WP7, the entire application platform that is new and it uses is advanced, which means that with things you can't see, WP7 is a large step ahead of where Android or iOS are with regard to the application platform and upper OS platform.

Why is this important to a user? Well for one thing, because WP7 is using a TRUE object oriented OS platform model, all existing applications will inherit the ability to use Copy and Paste, as the controls and objects that support it at the OS level carries over to the existing applicaitons that use elements of the OS platform. (See if Android had even an 'object based' application model, then things like freaking Email would support copy and paste, but it doesn't and has to be re-coded specifically to add this feature if they ever do.)

WP7 may not have mirrored all the existing features in Android and iOS at release, but they did put time into creating a far more advanced platform model that is far more intelligent and extensible and will serve the users and Microsoft in the future, as bi-directional relationships of the elements and controls in the applications will continue to 'grow' as features in the OS grow automatically.

Even iOS doesn't have this level of functionality, as customizations or changes to elements/controls/objects in Cocoa require them to be 'broken' from the OS, so they are no longer truly the elements/controls/objects that keep a relationship with the OS platform and its features.


So I do agree that Microsoft should be focusing on hitting the existing feature sets of what is out there, but I disagree in what you and many people are missing where Microsoft has far exceeded the features in the other phones and also have created platform that far exceeds what Android and iOS offer.

Where are your demands that iOS adds 'live tiles' or Android adds a DLNA, OS codec model, or even freaking copy and paste in the Android Email application?

WP7 is doing fine in comparison, and is ahead in far more areas than it seems to get credit.

It is a few months old, and is already ahead of Android in gaming, and is giving the iPhone a run on usability, and is out performing both Android and iOS easily due to the lighter WinCE kernel and inherent GPU acceleration features.

Look at the Snapdragon in WP7 devices, with XNA and WinCE drivers, they are getting 5-10x the GPU performance out of the SAME GPU chipset as Android with OpenGL is getting. (WP7 is even getting 3-8x the performance over the original Qualcomm numbers running a generic lightweight Linux and OpenGL on the same GPU.)


Where are all the accolades for the amazing performance WP7 is getting out of hardware?
Where are the accolades for the effortless UI model that just works?
Where are all the accolades for it being far more stable than Android or iOS?


Stability is not only in the FCs on Android that everyone deals with, and the random application closing that you get on iOS, but it also includes the memory model of WP7, where you don't have to worry about something with active information getting closed because the OS is running out of RAM like you get on Android, to the point where 'essential' applications are getting closed just because you wanted to open Google Earth.

The RAM managment on Android is nightmare and makes the multi-tasking virtually worthless, when you running something important in the background, that is trying to keep itself alive even and the OS decideds it needs RAM and nukes an important background application. Linux's memory model is kind of crap to begin with, but when you add on Googles VM and how it deals with applications it is just somewhere between stupid and insane.

Good post.

They haven't pushed out the copy and paste update to developers. They have pushed out developer tools that support the copy and paste APIs. Big difference!

Tom W said,
They haven't pushed out the copy and paste update to developers. They have pushed out developer tools that support the copy and paste APIs. Big difference!

either way, the developer tools aren't udpated yet Current download from apphub is the same old crap.

Tom W said,
They haven't pushed out the copy and paste update to developers. They have pushed out developer tools that support the copy and paste APIs. Big difference!

What APIs do you even need? Copy and paste will work without any developer changes.

Tom, you don't have to criticise every bit of Microsoft news posted here. I know that you have your own dedicated site but your constant nit-picking makes you look like a child.

Quigley Guy said,
Tom, you don't have to criticise every bit of Microsoft news posted here. I know that you have your own dedicated site but your constant nit-picking makes you look like a child.

Agreed. If you're going to criticize every Microsoft post here, why not just turn off your new site and come back here and do the Microsoft related stories?

Quigley Guy said,
Tom, you don't have to criticise every bit of Microsoft news posted here. I know that you have your own dedicated site but your constant nit-picking makes you look like a child.

The title was wrong and has now been fixed. I only nit pick things that are wrong.

mad_onion said,
What APIs do you even need? Copy and paste will work without any developer changes.

But the implementations may cause problems with some applications that are based on a certain set of assumptions - that there are things that the developers might want to be able to get copied and pasted but due to their initial design decisions cannot be copied and pasted.

Quigley Guy said,
Tom, you don't have to criticise every bit of Microsoft news posted here. I know that you have your own dedicated site but your constant nit-picking makes you look like a child.
Its called the comments, if he finds something wrong, let him speak it
we all have different opinions

yowan said,
Even that dreaded symbiam os has this feature
Did it in version 1.0 of the first release or was it added later?

yowan said,
It was added in s60v3 about 4 years ago

Which makes your original post silly - WP7 is Microsofts first release of Windows Phone built form the ground up, a 1.0 release when compared to s60v3 which took 3 releases just to include copy and paste, in the case of iOS it took until 3.0 was released. So where is the 'lameness' (implied your post) of WP7 taking 6-9 months to provide copy and paste when competitors took more than that?

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Which makes your original post silly - WP7 is Microsofts first release of Windows Phone built form the ground up, a 1.0 release when compared to s60v3 which took 3 releases just to include copy and paste, in the case of iOS it took until 3.0 was released. So where is the 'lameness' (implied your post) of WP7 taking 6-9 months to provide copy and paste when competitors took more than that?


That's like helping a horse grow and say it's better than my Ferrari because you had to grow your horse since it was born, and yet it took hundreds of years of engine technology to build a Ferrari.

I'm a huge Windows Phone 7 fan, but your argument is invalid.

Victor V. said,
That's like helping a horse grow and say it's better than my Ferrari because you had to grow your horse since it was born, and yet it took hundreds of years of engine technology to build a Ferrari.

I'm a huge Windows Phone 7 fan, but your argument is invalid.

No, it is about having some perspective and context - something you lack in buckets.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Which makes your original post silly - WP7 is Microsofts first release of Windows Phone built form the ground up,


Last time I checked it is based on CE 6.XX therefore not built from the ground up. Unless you would consider W7 built from the ground up too....

Victor V. said,

That's like helping a horse grow and say it's better than my Ferrari because you had to grow your horse since it was born, and yet it took hundreds of years of engine technology to build a Ferrari.

I'm a huge Windows Phone 7 fan, but your argument is invalid.

If you knew a little bit about WP7 and Windows Mobile, you'd know Windows Mobile had copy/paste already. Then you'd start wondering, why doesn't have WP7 has this feature? Now if you still had some logic, you'd say to yourself it'd be impossible to not include something they had and do some research on it. then you'd have found about how WP7 was released earlier before this feature was added and that WP7 is actually written from the ground up with different technology from WM. Not just that, but they are trying to implement features in the most obtrusive way possible.

But of course you never cared to do the above and just went ahead with your useless comment.

Fritzly said,

Last time I checked it is based on CE 6.XX therefore not built from the ground up. Unless you would consider W7 built from the ground up too....

It uses the CE 6.0R3 (plus bits from CE 7.0) but everything that is user visible has been created from scratch - in other words they had to re-implement copy/paste/cut again in a new way that was in keeping with the new interface paradigm rather than just tacking on something that is out of place.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

It uses the CE 6.0R3 (plus bits from CE 7.0) but everything that is user visible has been created from scratch - in other words they had to re-implement copy/paste/cut again in a new way that was in keeping with the new interface paradigm rather than just tacking on something that is out of place.

Exactly. But trolls will be trolls...

Ummm... I'm a registered developer. I didn't get any update. Is this only for those devs who were given Dev devices by Microsoft? Or is it available for all registered devs? Or maybe it's ( as usual ) US only?

Suave Sagittarian said,
Ummm... I'm a registered developer. I didn't get any update. Is this only for those devs who were given Dev devices by Microsoft? Or is it available for all registered devs? Or maybe it's ( as usual ) US only?

I'm a registered developer in the US that was given a dev device... no update here, no new tools yet.

rfirth said,

I'm a registered developer in the US that was given a dev device... no update here, no new tools yet.

New tools!

blahism said,
why?
I have to agree with blahism, the devices available today are great. I have no complaints so far about the Samsung Focus, none what so ever.

It's the first time I bought a fancy phone for myself and I don't regret doing so at all.

zeke009 said,
I have to agree with blahism, the devices available today are great. I have no complaints so far about the Samsung Focus, none what so ever.

It's the first time I bought a fancy phone for myself and I don't regret doing so at all.

I'm all for pushing the technology but man, there is absolutely no reason to wait for new hardware when the current hardware has absolutely NO performance issues to speak of..

I'll wait for gen2 or gen3 devices only when prices come down.. performance is absolutely not an issue on my focus

carson2255 said,
Waiting on a tegra 3 (quad core) version of windows phone 7 hopefully they will make one late this year....

My HTC HD7 is brilliant....tegra not needed.

carson2255 said,
Waiting on a tegra 3 (quad core) version of windows phone 7 hopefully they will make one late this year....

As a coupke of other users have already stated, my Samsung Focus does very well with the hardware it has. in fact, the Guy at AT&T helping me set it up was ready to by one for himself at the end.

WickedScribbler said,

As a coupke of other users have already stated, my Samsung Focus does very well with the hardware it has. in fact, the Guy at AT&T helping me set it up was ready to by one for himself at the end.


He was never really complaining about performance issues in the first post, sure theres no performance issues.. however games and apps usually run faster on faster hardware...
?

yardman said,

My HTC HD7 is brilliant....tegra not needed.

So far no bad........ although battery life is ridiculous. I wonder when the OS will be feature complete though......

blahism said,

why?

On the hardware, it's very simple. With such a dual-core phone and nVidia video chip, you have a portable 1080p media player.
Or at least on an Android phone, which leads me to my next point.

On the OS, "why" indeed. Why would anyone want to use that crap is beyond me. Even iOS is miles above this garbage. A real useful advice - before buying these WP7 turds, please take a good look at the Marketplace. I mean, this should be sufficient to pass on any WP7 phone for the time being.

Fritzly said,

So far no bad........ although battery life is ridiculous. I wonder when the OS will be feature complete though......

LMAO Does your trolling ever stop? Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you at this point...

.Neo said,
And still none of the WP7 devices sold here support Dutch...

Still waiting for Belgium release.....
(and for Bing dropping the beta label so that we can actually use features of Bing instead of adding /?cc=us to the url )

nifke said,

Still waiting for Belgium release.....
(and for Bing dropping the beta label so that we can actually use features of Bing instead of adding /?cc=us to the url )

Eh, try visiting an actual store. They all have WP7 devices in stock.

Ambroos said,

Eh, try visiting an actual store. They all have WP7 devices in stock.

They are talking about the Dutch release. Microsoft decided to postpone their Dutch release and decided to release English version of their telephone in the Netherlands and Belgium instead.

AtriusNY said,

They are talking about the Dutch release. Microsoft decided to postpone their Dutch release and decided to release English version of their telephone in the Netherlands and Belgium instead.


How about reading next time let me put into quotations what ambroos was replying to
"Still waiting for Belgium release....." Reading is great, try it!!

Kirkburn said,
Here being The Netherlands?

Yup, Amsterdam to be more specific. Microsoft decided to sell their WP7 phones here with English support only, which means you have to turn auto-correct off entirely for the device to be remotely useful while texting Dutch SMS messages and emails. Great choice and it really makes them come across as being professional.

It's funny because every single other phone running whatever platform being sold in the Netherlands, even the really cheap prepaid ones, do support Dutch.

Microsoft never ceases to amaze me. Honestly, if you can't even have your most basic stuff in order why bother selling phones here? The message Microsoft sends to the Dutch consumer is: We don't take you seriously, so just go buy yourself an iPhone, Android phone, BlackBerry or whatever... This is an extremely poor start for their platform, which has a very iffy reputation to begin with.

Edited by .Neo, Feb 5 2011, 5:49am :

.Neo said,

Yup, Amsterdam to be more specific. Microsoft decided to sell their WP7 phones here with English support only, which means you have to turn auto-correct off entirely for the device to be remotely useful while texting Dutch SMS messages and emails. Great choice and it really makes them come across as being professional.

It's funny because every single other phone running whatever platform being sold in the Netherlands, even the really cheap prepaid ones, do support Dutch.

Microsoft never ceases to amaze me. Honestly, if you can't even have your most basic stuff in order why bother selling phones here? The message Microsoft sends to the Dutch consumer is: We don't take you seriously, so just go buy yourself an iPhone, Android phone, BlackBerry or whatever... This is an extremely poor start for their platform, which has a very iffy reputation to begin with.


Im dutch and i dislike the dutch translations, especially because IT IS NOT CONSISTANT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, X uses dutch version, Y uses an English version, and translations are never perfect, often they use entirely different meaning words for it...
Would be good to have autocorrect in dutch, but keep the language settings to english please..

oh and BTW, took Nokia YEARS to bring out Dutch symbian devices. Even if it did support dutch, most of the devices where still default on English.

Shadowzz said,

Im dutch and i dislike the dutch translations, especially because IT IS NOT CONSISTANT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, X uses dutch version, Y uses an English version, and translations are never perfect, often they use entirely different meaning words for it...
Would be good to have autocorrect in dutch, but keep the language settings to english please..

Not every platform uses the same terms in English either, the problem you describe isn't limited to Dutch translations. On Android my phone numbers are stored in "People", on my iPod touch in "Contacts". Windows has a "Control Panel", Mac OS X "System Preferences". Internet Explorer uses "Favorites" to store your websites, Safari "Bookmarks". Etc. etc.

Shadowzz said,
oh and BTW, took Nokia YEARS to bring out Dutch symbian devices. Even if it did support dutch, most of the devices where still default on English.

Yeah, all the way back in 1996 when mobile phones were in its infancy. It's 2011 now. Customers look at what Microsoft has to offer compared to today's competition. They're not going to compare WP7 to a Nokia phone released 15 years ago.

Edited by .Neo, Feb 5 2011, 2:22pm :

.Neo said,

Not every platform uses the same terms in English either, the problem you describe isn't limited to Dutch translations. On Android my phone numbers are stored in "People", on my iPod touch in "Contacts". Windows has a "Control Panel", Mac OS X "System Preferences". Internet Explorer uses "Favorites" to store your websites, Safari "Bookmarks". Etc. etc.


Yeah, all the way back in 1996 when mobile phones were in its infancy. It's 2011 now. Customers look at what Microsoft has to offer compared to today's competition. They're not going to compare WP7 to a Nokia phone released 15 years ago.

can't even buy apps from an appstore in Belgium... need a US creditcard I guess...
They indeed sell the devices here but only in English...

It's like bing: in Belgium it is also in 'beta' which means that all options and functions are not available unless you force the URL to use the US version... -_-

Microsoft has a lot to learn about making something available in non-US countries...