Mozilla Gran Paradiso Alpha 5

This is a starting point for planning and design information for the Firefox 3 release, including schedules, feature sets, and branch process information. Gran Paradiso is an early developer milestone for the next major version of Firefox that is being built on top of the next generation of Mozilla's layout engine, Gecko 1.9. Gran Paradiso is being made available for testing purposes only, and is intended for web application developers and our testing community. Current users of Mozilla Firefox should not use Gran Paradiso.

Changelog:

  • Bookmarks portion of Places has been enabled
  • New crash reporting system, Breakpad. It's enabled by default on Mac OS X, on about 50% of Windows installations, and not yet available on Linux. You can also view crash reports at this site.
  • New Javascript-based Password Manager. More details available here.
  • Support for Growl notification under Mac OS X
  • Support for native controls on Mac OS X
  • Miscellaneous Gecko 1.9 bug fixes
Download: Gran Paradiso Alpha 5
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Why do they have to have all these cute Mickey Mouse names like Firefox, and Mozilla Gran Paradiso Alpha 5, and Gecko, and all that cr@p? It's like they're designing kids toys or something.

Nice to see Mozilla is taking Firefox on OS X a little seriously, but its integration into Aqua still pales in comparison to Camino.

Gran Paradiso is being made available for testing purposes only, and is intended for web application developers and our testing community. Current users of Mozilla Firefox should not use Gran Paradiso.
If that's the case, why bother posting about it? I would think it should only be related to us if it's stable enough for general usage (although I know a lot of users will try it out anyway)

Kreuger said,
If that's the case, why bother posting about it? I would think it should only be related to us if it's stable enough for general usage (although I know a lot of users will try it out anyway)

I agree 100%

I agree 100%. If it's not something that should really be available to the mass public then it's not front page material. Because someone on here will download this without bothering to read exactly what it is. Then they'll come back here and complain about how it screwed their system up and now they have to format...blah blah blah

I won't say anymore because the last time I tried saying something along these lines someone had a huge hissy fit over it.

You all need to think about how stupid it sounds to complain about a news item in the alpha stage; do you really think Windows releases should also not be posted until they're final?

Joel said,
You all need to think about how stupid it sounds to complain about a news item in the alpha stage; do you really think Windows releases should also not be posted until they're final? :rolleyes:

When the producer of the software package says it is NOT INTENDED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OR IS INTENDED FOR USE ONLY BY THEIR SOFTWARE TESTERS AND WEB DEVELOPERS , software and computer news sites should respect that and not post it. Particularly if it is an Alpha release that can cause all sorts of problems with the last stable release if it is installed improperly (IE clean install, removal of the previous version, in the case of Firefox problems with extensions and etc.). Those who do Alpha and Beta testing for such software know where to get it. I do beta testing for Mozilla and am informed by e-mail when new testing releases are issued. Microsoft generally intends their products for public release when they are in the beta stage and do their own PR releases to tout them. I will refrain, it is hard since you imply that I am stupid, from calling you what I think you are.

jegar48 said,

When the producer of the software package says it is NOT INTENDED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OR USE ONLY BY THEIR SOFTWARE TESTERS AND WEB DEVELOPERS , software and computer news sites should respect that and not post it. Particularly if it is an Alpha release that can cause all sorts of problems with the last stable release if it is installed improperly (IE clean install, removal of the previous version, in the case of Firefox problems with extensions and etc.). Those who do Alpha and Beta testing for such software know where to get it. I do beta testing for Mozilla and am informed by e-mail when new testing releases are issued. Microsoft generally intends their products for public release when they are in the beta stage and do their own PR releases to tout them. I will refrain, it is hard since you imply that I am stupid, from calling you what I think you are.


http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3....notes/#download

Check out that link. Nowhere does it say you MUST install this alpha software, only that you MAY.

And your post did nothing to negate the fact that we post about new Windows versions all the time, so what's the difference? They're not meant to be run by anyone but official beta testers, except for rare occasions. So why are people getting their panties in a twist about this news story?

Joel said,

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3....notes/#download

Check out that link. Nowhere does it say you MUST install this alpha software, only that you MAY.

And your post did nothing to negate the fact that we post about new Windows versions all the time, so what's the difference? They're not meant to be run by anyone but official beta testers, except for rare occasions. So why are people getting their panties in a twist about this news story?

Is English your second or third language? What part of this do you NOT understand?

Gran Paradiso is being made available for testing purposes only, and is intended for web application developers and our testing community. Current users of Mozilla Firefox should not use Gran Paradiso.

A large percentage of Neowin's user base are developers though.

Weather they are web developers, application developers or what, at least 80% of the community is informed or can make informed decisions via forums... etc.

Obviously you're a little upset you're not involved in their community testing group but that's fine, simply hold back from downloading and installing. No one even forced you to read this post and know about it's existence, you read it for your own purpose whatever that might be

the_mole001 said,
A large percentage of Neowin's user base are developers though.

Weather they are web developers, application developers or what, at least 80% of the community is informed or can make informed decisions via forums... etc.

Obviously you're a little upset you're not involved in their community testing group but that's fine, simply hold back from downloading and installing. No one even forced you to read this post and know about it's existence, you read it for your own purpose whatever that might be ;)


What upsets me is people read these posts, download the software and even though they shouldn't be using it to begin with, come back to the forums crying about what a piece of crap it is because it didn't work like the latest stable release, disabled all their extensions or even worse trashed their chrome file all together. Developers know where to get Alpha and Beta releases, they should not be posted in a public forum, especially if the developer has implicitly indicated that they are not for public release.

jegar48 said,

What upsets me is people read these posts, download the software and even though they shouldn't be using it to begin with, come back to the forums crying about what a piece of crap it is because it didn't work like the latest stable release, disabled all their extensions or even worse trashed their chrome file all together. Developers know where to get Alpha and Beta releases, they should not be posted in a public forum, especially if the developer has implicitly indicated that they are not for public release.

This is a software section in a constantly updated news website. This is new software. I don't remember there being a line drawn anywhere because Neowin users needed safety labels.

Also, I explore the forums quite frequently, and if I happen to see someone have problems with their program because they downloaded a new alpha or beta release, then that makes me altogether happy that this site has a greater purpose about it. People can come here and ask for help because an alpha release caused problems, which is what the purpose of an alpha release is for, testing. We're not going to limit the amount of software updates just because you specifically don't like reading about peoples problems.

Eis said,

This is a software section in a constantly updated news website. This is new software. I don't remember there being a line drawn anywhere because Neowin users needed safety labels.

Also, I explore the forums quite frequently, and if I happen to see someone have problems with their program because they downloaded a new alpha or beta release, then that makes me altogether happy that this site has a greater purpose about it. People can come here and ask for help because an alpha release caused problems, which is what the purpose of an alpha release is for, testing. We're not going to limit the amount of software updates just because you specifically don't like reading about peoples problems.

Guess I finally stepped on some toes around here. It's not that I don't want to hear about other people's problems, it's that I think you do a disservice to most of the users who haunt these types forums on the net. For example, this version of Gran Paridiso is going to trash the bookmarks of all previous versions of Firefox which is why Mozilla is asking the "average" user not to install it:

"Firefox 3.0 Alpha 5, which still carries the codename Gran Paradiso and is expected to be the next to last alpha release, includes the bookmarks portion of Places, the feature that at one time was slated to appear in Firefox 2.0.

Last year, however, Mozilla pulled the searchable bookmark-browser history from version 2.0 and said it would appear in 2007's Firefox 3.0.

Because Places uses the open source SQLite database engine to store and retrieve bookmarks and history entries, it is incompatible with earlier Firefox editions' bookmarks.

Mozilla warned users to back up existing bookmarks before testing the alpha. "There are rough edges [to Places]; please wear your hard hat at all times," a warning urged. "Remember that the UI is still being designed, and don't be surprised to find some regressions, both functional and in performance."

This version is not ready for even the more than casual net denizen and I stand by all my previous statements. Of course if you don't like hearing MY problems I suppose you could muzzle me by removing me from the forums.