New iPhone will feature video chat

Apple really can't seem to keep a lid on information regarding its not-so-secret, upcoming fourth generation iPhone. According to some recent spy work by Engadget, it seems that video chat has now been indisputably confirmed for the 4G iPhone. Some recent tweeting has revealed that American Beauty director, Sam Mendes, is in the midst of creating a bunch of commercials for the launch of the next iPhone. As per Engadget's inside tipster, at least one of the commercials will showcase a video chat conversation using the front-facing camera.

Engadget feels very confident about their source. Combined with video calls debugging screenshots unearthed by Boy Genius, it would be a complete shock if the next iPhone didn't contain a video calling feature. The interesting thing will be to see how AT&T's network reacts to all the extra traffic. Networks like that of Verizon and Sprint, which are rumored to also be getting the phone, seem better suited for such a data intensive feature. There's always the unlikely possibility that, just like with MMS, AT&T will shut off the feature until their network is ready to cope with the extra traffic (or just limit it to Wi-Fi only). Whatever the case may be, the world won't have to wait much longer to find out.

The next iPhone is set to be announced by Steve Jobs on June 7th at Apple's annual World Wide Developers Conference. A release date has not been set.

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From a UK based perspective people stopped using video calls because it became (and still is) £LOLLOLLOLROFL per minute to use. Initially providers started bundling video calls in with inclusive minutes and the few people that actually HAD video phones used it as it was new shiney and basically a gimick.

Then they dumped all that and made it some daft rate like 50p a min and people basically said "well **** that" now every phone has it and nobody uses it because you still have to bend over and take it to use it.

Saying that no doubt apples system will be propietry and only work with other iPhones (and probably over wifi) and for the troll point have inbuilt software to detect mammory and phallous shaped body parts and blur them out

This was obvious as soon as we knew it had a front facing camera. I was shocked to see this was again front page news!

Hopefully this means Apple is making full-blown iChat for the iPhone. I'd love a free, reliable, and fast IM client just for AIM/Jabber on the iPhone OS.

How will this work, I mean isnt the camera on the other side of the screen? (Mine is), I thought the whole point about Video Chat was to talk Face to Face rather than a Face and a Camera.

Aaron7pm said,
How will this work, I mean isnt the camera on the other side of the screen? (Mine is), I thought the whole point about Video Chat was to talk Face to Face rather than a Face and a Camera.

It will have 2 cameras one on the front for video chat and one on the back to take photos.

MarenLBC said,

It will have 2 cameras one on the front for video chat and one on the back to take photos.


Awesome so it will be like the DSi

Simon. said,
Does anyone actually use Video chat on phones?

I bet four months ago you said to yourself "why is Apple releasing a tablet does anyone even use those?" Now with a million sold in two months I think the answer would most certainly be, yes!

Edited by MarenLBC, May 26 2010, 12:29am :

omg, they are putting a feature we have had for years on it, brilliant and amazing! apple are pure genius!
Why is it when Apple does something so mediocre, everyone still gets all up in arms or falls in love with them all over again?
Watch there be a built in censoring device, so mr jobs makes sure no one sends porn over a video chat

shakey said,
omg, they are putting a feature we have had for years on it, brilliant and amazing! apple are pure genius!
Why is it when Apple does something so mediocre, everyone still gets all up in arms or falls in love with them all over again?
Watch there be a built in censoring device, so mr jobs makes sure no one sends porn over a video chat

Because when Apple does it they do it better than everyone else.

shakey said,
omg, they are putting a feature we have had for years on it, brilliant and amazing! apple are pure genius!
Why is it when Apple does something so mediocre, everyone still gets all up in arms or falls in love with them all over again?
Watch there be a built in censoring device, so mr jobs makes sure no one sends porn over a video chat

Why do you feel the need to troll every single Apple-related article on this site? Doesn't it ever get old for you?

Edited by mantis-, May 26 2010, 1:56am :

Destructoid said,

Why do you feel the need to troll every single Apple-related article on this site? Doesn't it ever get old for you?


+1

Destructoid said,

Why do you feel the need to troll every single Apple-related article on this site? Doesn't it ever get old for you?

Guess the same reason you feel the need to say something good about apple every time or the reason you feel you need to Troll a post with nothing relevant to say .... we all speak our minds, if you don't like it, ignore it. but thats what forums are for, so get used to it.
Not all of us find everything apple does as news worthy, great, ingenious, awesome thing.

Edited by shakey, May 26 2010, 2:05am :

shakey said,

Guess the same reason you feel the need to say something good about apple every time or the reason you feel you need to Troll a post with nothing relevant to say .... we all speak our minds, if you don't like it, ignore it. but thats what forums are for, so get used to it.
Not all of us find everything apple does as news worthy, great, ingenious, awesome thing.

I find it hard to find anything done by apple amazing, especially with the way they treat their consumers, how they want to display those who use computers as stupid, and just their arrogant owner steve jobs and his smugness and ignorance. Hypocrites do not get any thing from me other than my hysterical laughter and snide comments/looks.

shakey said,

I find it hard to find anything done by apple amazing, especially with the way they treat their consumers, how they want to display those who use computers as stupid, and just their arrogant owner steve jobs and his smugness and ignorance. Hypocrites do not get any thing from me other than my hysterical laughter and snide comments/looks.

Agree, 100%. Except, I would go one further and say that I find it impossible to find anything done by apple amazing.

shakey said,

I find it hard to find anything done by apple amazing, especially with the way they treat their consumers, how they want to display those who use computers as stupid, and just their arrogant owner steve jobs and his smugness and ignorance. Hypocrites do not get any thing from me other than my hysterical laughter and snide comments/looks.

If you say so. You come off more as ignorant, bitter and jealous. You want to deride this article, which is a leak, as though Apple released a press statement proclaiming some great new feature. They didn't. As for you not finding this news-worthy; obviously someone did, hence it's here. If you don't find it worthy, why waste your time coming in here to whine and bitch, unless you're really that starved for attention that you feel the compulsive urge to troll incessantly. If anything, *that* is worthy of hysterical laughter and snide comments/looks.

Edited by mantis-, May 26 2010, 4:06am :

shakey said,

I find it hard to find anything done by apple amazing, especially with the way they treat their consumers, how they want to display those who use computers as stupid, and just their arrogant owner steve jobs and his smugness and ignorance. Hypocrites do not get any thing from me other than my hysterical laughter and snide comments/looks.

That's a shame because even thou touch phones have been around for ages they weren't as popular until Apple made the iPhone with an amazing user interface. So Video chat on a phone isn't something new. But if it works with IM clients available on the iPhone, Apple will be the first to have those features. As I don't recall many smartphones on the market with front facing cameras that work with Skype, MSN etc.

Video chat and Technology is at a new era now compared to what it was at when video calling on a mobile phone first came about. The simplicity of how Apple developes things and the amount of people who use the iPhone might be enough to push this technology to another level regardless of peoples opinions on apple.

So will the iPod Touch 4th gen also feature this, since it probably has a camera now I don't see why not, a built in microphone would be nice to.

While it's a pretty safe assumption that the next iPhone will have video chat. Saying something is confirmed via a non Apple source is still Rumor-mill.

Saying the networks these days are worrying about the impact on their networks makes me laugh..

One of the big selling point of 3g on phones back in the day was faster data and video calling etc as shown http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3g#Applications *. I can remember when 3 in the UK first went into business with 3g video calling, the internet and huge phones.
It wasn't popular because a) it was expensive, b) not everyone had the tech and c) difficult to use.

*I know Wikipedia isn't the best source of information.

Sure video conferencing has been available for many years. And sure front-facing cameras have been available in phones for quite some time. But it has never received as much attention as it will get until the iPhone gets it. Will it be the best implementation? That will be highly debated. Will it be the only phone to have the feature? Definitely not. By the end of the year, we will see a number of phones with front-facing cameras and video chat capabilities. Coincidence or are they just following Apple? That will also be debated. But one thing is certain, it will be a popular feature and selling point of the iPhone.

What's the point? Seriously, I've had many phones with front cameras, using UMTS network for years, many of my friends have this (most of them in IT or ther gadget freaks), I don't know ANYONE who is using video calls. Okay, maybe it's just me, but calls we made for tests, when UMTS came out here (we were one of first EU countries to get this back in 2001 or 2002) and even later, you can't hear anything in public, picture is weird, ... You can only use this when at home or office, but it's better to use Skype or any other similar software. Framerate is kinda okay, but why use this, I need to hear what someone has to say, not look at his face. Some say it's cool so you can call someone and stream video...whoa, amazing, with many cameras and phones being able to record 720p or even 1080p (not yet on phones) isn't it better to record a video and mail/upload it or something?

I mean, it's okay for phone to have an extra feature, but this is an old one and an overhyped one. Maybe in US this can be cool, since their phone networks are mostly way behind those here in EU or Asia... but even there I doubt this will be used by masses.

Just my opinion

theh0g said,
What's the point? Seriously, I've had many phones with front cameras, using UMTS network for years, many of my friends have this (most of them in IT or ther gadget freaks), I don't know ANYONE who is using video calls.

No one uses Video Calling because it has yet to be released on a mainstream phone such as the iPhone. It is similar to the tablet market, the iPad didn't invent the tablet but it did revolutionize it and make them mainstream just like Apple will do with video chat via phone.

theh0g said,

I mean, it's okay for phone to have an extra feature, but this is an old one and an overhyped one. Maybe in US this can be cool, since their phone networks are mostly way behind those here in EU or Asia... but even there I doubt this will be used by masses.

Just my opinion


Think about which company is doing this. Apple is known for there ability to market. Everyone on neowin said the ipad would fail in every way and yet it had a successful launch that is continuing to make Apple money. Its a tablet touch device which is something that is old technology and has be around for years and yet not until Apple did it become prove popular enough for everyone else to want to make and sell one. The first step is just getting the feature on the phone and seeing how the public, not tech world, take it. I can see two markets for this one feature. First of all, do you like talking on the phone or in person more? The reason most social people would rather talk in person is because of facial expressions and what they mean to us as humans. This bridges the gap and will be appealing to those that favor face to face interaction. The second market, which will need further development, is using the same technology but instead of sending video during a phone call, sending a file, image, text, website or whatever the same way you can "cobrowse" in most instant messengers on the PC. This would actually be useful for businesses. Those are just two places I can see it becoming popular.

Either way, if you can't use it, you can't rate something negatively based on it having a feature just because you have no use for it.

Also out of curiosity, how exactly are EU networks so much further ahead compared to US networks? We have the exact same phones as EU plus some extras that are exclusive to carriers. We have the same wireless data speeds. Both have 3G. We are all still waiting for 4G to arrive but has yet to be created anywhere and nobody is working on anything publicly in that realm. Everyone is still using 3g or developing WiMax or LTE so 4G doesn't seem to be coming anytime soon. Phone plans in EU are terribly priced compared to US plans so you don't have anything there.

MarenLBC said,

No one uses Video Calling because it has yet to be released on a mainstream phone such as the iPhone. It is similar to the tablet market, the iPad didn't invent the tablet but it did revolutionize it and make them mainstream just like Apple will do with video chat via phone.

You can't seriously think that? the iPhone is small fry on the world stage and it's only claim to fame is being the fastest selling handset in history I believe. You want mainstream? look no further then Nokia and they've had video calling enabled phones for years, even your most basic phones have secondary cameras on them these days. The reason video calling never took on was because it was crap and impractical.

I'm sure Apple's marketing machine will make it seem like the second coming and people will, as usual, buy into it. However, once they realize it's the same crap we had years ago they'll get over it. That is my 2 cents take with a grain of salt.

Xerxes said,
You can't seriously think that? the iPhone is small fry on the world stage and it's only claim to fame is being the fastest selling handset in history I believe. You want mainstream? look no further then Nokia and they've had video calling enabled phones for years, even your most basic phones have secondary cameras on them these days. The reason video calling never took on was because it was crap and impractical.

I'm sure Apple's marketing machine will make it seem like the second coming and people will, as usual, buy into it. However, once they realize it's the same crap we had years ago they'll get over it. That is my 2 cents take with a grain of salt.

How can it be considered a small fry if it is the fastest selling handset in history? In addition, how can you say that the video chat on the iPhone is going to be "the same ol' crap we have had before" when you have never even seen the new iPhone let alone use it's video chat feature? Lastly, the market where the iPhone is most likely to release first (America), Nokia is not even a factor smartphone wise so your point is void.

I guess it's something that's nice to have, but not really necessary. I've never seen a single person doing this on any other phone. I assume all other smart phones have had it for years since people are saying that Apple is late to the game with it.

NeoTrunks said,
I guess it's something that's nice to have, but not really necessary. I've never seen a single person doing this on any other phone. I assume all other smart phones have had it for years since people are saying that Apple is late to the game with it.

My ex had a non-smart phone that had the feature a year or so back. But she had AT&T and they didn't allow the feature to be used. Going to assume it'll be the same in this case.

Liaqat_ali said,
Well I understand that this news gotta be posted here, but the whole Iphone HD stuff is loosing my interest.

it never got my interest... apple is after they money, you can see they don't give a damn how the normal people feel...

Liaqat_ali said,
Well I understand that this news gotta be posted here, but the whole Iphone HD stuff is loosing my interest.

Was your interest tight to begin with?

Sebianoti said,

it never got my interest... apple is after they money, you can see they don't give a damn how the normal people feel...

1.) Learn English
2.) Every company is after money. You think Google bought Android just to spread love and joy?

Sebianoti said,

it never got my interest... apple is after they money, you can see they don't give a damn how the normal people feel...

Also, the people on Neowin aren't the "normal people."

Destructoid said,

1.) Learn English
2.) Every company is after money. You think Google bought Android just to spread love and joy?

I'm learning english for 1 year so don't complain

Sebianoti said,

I'm learning english for 1 year so don't complain

Don't worry about it. Your English is more than adequate. People just assume that everyone speaks English as a first language. Which is obviously not true.

nevann said,

Don't worry about it. Your English is more than adequate. People just assume that everyone speaks English as a first language. Which is obviously not true.

Indeed. I like nothing more than ridiculing poor English online, but I only insult people who I have determined to be 'native' speakers who should know better.

I have the utmost respect for non-monoglots.

That said, anyone who thinks that 'lose' is spelt 'loose' deserves to be persecuted, regardless of ethno-linguistic background!

As much as I think this feature is relatively pointless, and can see why Apple didn't include it to begin with (its hardly a needed features) I can now see why they might include it (more technology in less space for a similar cost - and it opens up more market potential, while listing it as another feature).

However the issue I really have with this is how people pick up on it, and then make it hit the "news" as if its something clever or revolutionary - especially considering its limited functionality.

KeR said,
WiFi only, because lets face it AT&T can't handle it.

Maybe where you are. Spring and Verizon can't even handle getting 3g coverage outside of town where I am.

KeR said,
WiFi only, because lets face it AT&T can't handle it.

I know. I'm getting very tired of "the Iphone can do this.... but only at home where you won't really need it"

BBC iPlayer, watch BBC programs from the last 7 days... Only on WiFi. Thanks, but I have a TV and a computer at home.
Sky Player, watch LIVE sky sports on your phone... But only on WiFi. Thanks, but I can get Sky Sports on the computer.
And then you've got things like Skype.

Apple and app developers should be forcing the networks to step up.

Edited by Nayos, May 25 2010, 8:23pm :

KeR said,
WiFi only, because lets face it AT&T can't handle it.

Yeah, I doubt AT&T would be able to handle this over their 3G network. At best i get about 200kbps upstream. My downstream is nice, at 1.0-1.5mbps. But the latency is always awful, at >300ms.

Purify said,
A little late. We knew this when there were leaked photos.
This is the first bit of solid confirmation we've received. Until now, it was all based on screenshots, which could have been faked. This information is coming from real people who know what's happening on the inside. The intel solidifies what we've assumed until now.

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
This is the first bit of solid confirmation we've received. Until now, it was all based on screenshots, which could have been faked. This information is coming from real people who know what's happening on the inside. The intel solidifies what we've assumed until now.

I still don't see any solid information... I mean it's still all rumors until apple confirms it, yes we know it is highly likely that it will have video chat but I wouldn't call this solid information.
I mean it can be that it has a front facing camera so you can take pictures of yourself while looking at the screen... you know, like the new digital cameras are doing now with front facing small LCDs...

Edited by chisss, May 25 2010, 7:55pm :

chisss said,

I still don't see any solid information... I mean it's still all rumors until apple confirms it, yes we know it is highly likely that it will have video chat but I wouldn't call this solid information.
I mean it can be that it has a front facing camera so you can take pictures of yourself while looking at the screen... you know, like the new digital cameras are doing now with front facing small LCDs...
Engadget has a source that said the commercials were happening. They then found people auditioning for the commercials, which confirmed their existence. Then, another very reliable person on the inside told them that at least one of the commercials will showcase video chat. And I quote... "Besides that tip (with a handful of juicy details), a trusted source has confirmed to us that the ads will feature at least one spot where a mother and daughter are having a video chat conversation using the new front-facing camera."

Topolsky doesn't write "Confirmed" unless he has, in fact, confirmed it. Apple doesn't have to be the ones to say it for it to be a fact (nor will they open their mouths until June 7th).

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
This is the first bit of solid confirmation we've received. Until now, it was all based on screenshots, which could have been faked. This information is coming from real people who know what's happening on the inside. The intel solidifies what we've assumed until now.

i guess you will be able to sleep tonite, finally.