PS4 has 408GB of usable storage; manual says no support for 3D Blu-rays

The first reviews of the PlayStation 4 console are coming in ahead of its U.S launch on Friday, and they confirm that the 500GB hard drive will have 408GB of available space for owners to install games, videos and music files.

While that may seem like a lot of hard drive space left over, the truth is that many games made for Sony's next-gen console will have pretty large storage footprints. As Kotaku mentions, "Killzone: Shadow Fall" will occupy 39GB of space and "Call of Duty Ghosts" will take up 32GB. The nice thing about the PS4 is that it supports the removal of its hard drive so that owners can install a new and larger drive inside.

Meanwhile, the online manual for the PS4 has been posted by Sony, and it reveals that the console does not, in fact, support playing 3D Blu-ray movies. This is contrary to what Sony had told Engadget a few days ago and we have contacted Sony to find out if the manual has the right information. Microsoft has already confirmed that the Xbox One won't support 3D Blu-ray disc for launch although it may add it in a future software update.

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Just like the PS3 which started with the 60gb hard drives and is now onto 500gb included with the console, in the future it's almost certain we'll see models with +1TB the PS4.
I wonder where that 57gb of space is going. We all know that a 500gb is truly 465gb due to marketing so 465 - 408 = 57. I mean, I thought the OS would reserve around 10-20gb, 57gb seems a little excessive but hey I'm not an engineer.
For comparison, on a PS3 with an 80gb hard drive after you format it in the PS3 it has 64gb of usable space out of 74gb space (because an 80gb hard drive is 74gb). So 10gb used/reserved for the OS.

Edited by Tha Bloo Monkee, Nov 14 2013, 3:09pm :

Well, with all of the other things that didn't make the cut, things clearly had to be prioritized (Just like with the XBox One). In the grand scheme, this impacts relatively few people compared to other things that might otherwise have not gotten done...

I'm sure they'll add it in an upcoming update.

I'm just glad they realized the importance of DVD play and are getting that update out pronto!

this is why i'm waiting till next year, give them time to iron out all these silly issues, if the ps3 supports 3d blurays then how can the next gen not? that would be rediculous

All this talk of 3D bluray movies but no mention of 3D streaming. I can stream 3D video from Netflix using the Vizio smart TV interface. Really it's only short special features that I like the 3D. It gets old for an entire movie.

@yowanvista, That is your opinion. I guess you should tell that to all the people that are going to Imax 3D and Real 3D Movies. Funny how you say the hype is over but every time I go to a 3D movie there are very few empty seats. I watch 3D at home and enjoy it. It is ok for you to not like it but why all the hate on 3D. I have seen the same movies in 2D and real 3D, Imax 3D and IMHO 3D blows away any 2D movie. Like I said it is a matter of opinion. The hype might be over for you.

paesan said,
@yowanvista, That is your opinion. I guess you should tell that to all the people that are going to Imax 3D and Real 3D Movies. Funny how you say the hype is over but every time I go to a 3D movie there are very few empty seats. I watch 3D at home and enjoy it. It is ok for you to not like it but why all the hate on 3D. I have seen the same movies in 2D and real 3D, Imax 3D and IMHO 3D blows away any 2D movie. Like I said it is a matter of opinion. The hype might be over for you.

Agreed 3D is still ver much alive. I just watched Man of Steel 3D and it was incredible. Life of Pi was incredible in 3D too.

Taking a stab on what would result in nearly 100 GB of used space:

+ The 500 GB drive would likely be 465 GB after format (based on the disk drive space calculation difference between the OS manufacturers and drive manufacturers)
+ The operating system (I guesstimate its around 10 GB)
+ The pre-loaded applications likely take up another 20 GB
+ A healthy amount for doing system-level chores such as recording games, performing updates, and creating swap-memory (20 GB)

The XBox One will likely have the same breakdown, if not a little more since it has quite a few additional features for media functionality.

that seems fair. I'm getting the Xbox but I can personally it see it having 350 gigs of free space left over which is more than enough for me personally.

macrosslover said,
that seems fair. I'm getting the Xbox but I can personally it see it having 350 gigs of free space left over which is more than enough for me personally.

Likewise, having 350 GB of remaining space is plenty, plus the advantage of the XBox One is that MS chose to allow expansion via external drives which makes it uber easy.

Sony is taking a chance that a majority of people can open up their boxes for swapping hard-drives. Granted, they may have made it a simple process, or I hope they took measures to make the swap process straightforward.

2013. Measuring storage in gigabytes. Quality lol.

Having this console for the next 5 years with 8GB RAM. Quality lol.

I see they're listing the GPU performance as a "theoretical" max of 1.86 TFLOPS. Pretty sure any reasonably decent Geforce trolls that out already.

Least they're doing it right with the 8 cores for the CPU

Uh, I mean I guess they could have packed 16gb of RAM and a 2TB drive but as it is these things are $400 and $500 systems. I'm not paying $1000+ for a console. XBox is 7+ years now and, well, still works great. Keep in mind that MS and Sony might offer incremental upgrades like a 1TB version and so on, at a later date.

In other words, they'll both be fine.

laserfloyd said,
Uh, I mean I guess they could have packed 16gb of RAM and a 2TB drive but as it is these things are $400 and $500 systems. I'm not paying $1000+ for a console. XBox is 7+ years now and, well, still works great. Keep in mind that MS and Sony might offer incremental upgrades like a 1TB version and so on, at a later date.

In other words, they'll both be fine.

Please.

The difference in price between 500GB and 1TB drives is like $10 tops. You can guarantee Sony, at their level of purchase, isn't paying the uber-expensive (lol) $65 it costs for a 1TB drive these days.

Sure you take a hit when you double the memory. But this is a system you'll be using for 5+ years and it's a compromise right from day 1.

When the games themselves are coming in >30GB having 400GB usable is a clear case for Sony spending the extra pennies to put at least a 1TB drive in there. Is it even SATA-III?

ROFLCOPTERS said,
2013. Measuring storage in gigabytes. Quality lol.

Having this console for the next 5 years with 8GB RAM. Quality lol.

I see they're listing the GPU performance as a "theoretical" max of 1.86 TFLOPS. Pretty sure any reasonably decent Geforce trolls that out already.

Least they're doing it right with the 8 cores for the CPU


Pc gaming master race hnnnnnnnngg

Hmmm i guess a 1TB drive is as much as one can install internally since the drive has to be 9.5mm os thinner, might have to get extension cables for sata and power to make an external one.

Unless the lack of 3D somehow makes watching movies so terrible, this isn't a enormous deal. Besides, they have yet to find the long term eye health effects from viewing 3D movies.

When you buy new 500 GB HDD you get at-least 461 GB so if 408 GB is usable space then 53 GB for operating system, that's hell lot of space for Operating System even windows takes 20 GB so either their Operating System is too bloated or something wrong with code and developers, after all Sony is not a software company they even use android in their smartphones.

OR may be hard disk is not 500 GB at all.

From Neowin article about XB1 not having support for 3D BluRay at launch:

. . . if you have a 3D TV and a collection of 3D Blu-ray movies, Sony's PlayStation 4 might be of interest. Engadget has confirmed with the company that the console, which launches on Nov. 15th, will be able to play 3D Blu-ray movies in addition to the standard Blu-ray and DVD discs.
http://www.neowin.net/news/xbo...3d-blu-ray-movies-at-launch

I guess that isn't so accurate now.


Interesting is that when it was revealed the XB1 wouldn't support 3D BluRay at launch, virtually every tech site ran an article telling uses to buy a PS4 if they want to watch 3D BluRay.

internal swap is ok, but let's face it, too freaking inconvenient when you can just plug in an external(s) anytime you want.

physically there is no difference between a 2d and a 3d bluray. The ps4 has the hardware, it just needs the software adding into the playback software. 3d blurays contain an extra file which tells the machine the difference between the left and right eyes. This is then decoded and sent to the tv. sony can add in a patch at a later date if they wanted to.

Exactly, well said. Not to mention a few days ago BONY pulls another bait and switch by changing up their DRM rent/sell verbiage in the EULA. Whatever. Nothing new here.

They should get rid of EULAs altogether, the law already covers all of that. All they need is a service agreement for their network and that's it.

Defiantly said,
Exactly, well said. Not to mention a few days ago BONY pulls another bait and switch by changing up their DRM rent/sell verbiage in the EULA. Whatever. Nothing new here.

Sounds like you're the one getting fooled if you think that was seriously anything to be worried at when Sony's competition has similar wording as far as I can tell. Don't read too much into the BS articles.

More than enough space for my uses, as long as the games remain in the cloud and can be re-downloaded when new content comes out. I typically only play one or two games during a specific time.

People are claiming support for 3D Blu-Rays were included in the day one patch released today so this should be a non issue if confirmed.

That's posted in the article above, read much?

"Meanwhile, the online manual for the PS4 has been posted by Sony, and it reveals that the console does not, in fact, support playing 3D Blu-ray movies. This is contrary to what Sony had told Engadget a few days ago and we have contacted Sony to find out if the manual has the right information. Microsoft has already confirmed that the Xbox One won't support 3D Blu-ray disc for launch although it may add it in a future software update."

That's what I figured. You are clueless to how hyperlinks work. If a word is a different color from the surrounding words it is a clickable link like the one above in the article. notice all the blue words up there are clickable and will send you directly to a different page; source. Clicking the fraise "Engadget a few days ago" up above will send you to where you wanted to go. That was my point. You learn something new everyday.

Ah, so you figured I didn't notice a color difference, which has nothing to do with not reading it. You fooled everyone "he just didn't read it."

So you can have 10 or 11 full games installed before you need to start deleting games or get out the toolbox to change the HDD? Imagine Christmas morning, little Johnny gets that shiny new game, but cannot play it because he needs to wait for his dad to figure out how to swap the HDD because the one installed is full.

Oh, and it does not play 3D movies? So I guess those Sony fanboys who were criticizing the X1 for not doing it will start criticizing Sony for doing the same? I know, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. And I guess Sony changing their mind after telling us that 3D would be supported, using it to attack MS, and now only after a couple days later doing a 180/flip flop/lie/not knowing what they are doing/contradicting themselves is perfectly fine, not a problem, nothing to see here...

lol and on the Xbox One, at least we'll be able to transfer our games between HDD's so that we can prioritize on what titles we'll play from time to time.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
So you can have 10 or 11 full games installed before you need to start deleting games or get out the toolbox to change the HDD? Imagine Christmas morning, little Johnny gets that shiny new game, but cannot play it because he needs to wait for his dad to figure out how to swap the HDD because the one installed is full.

Oh, and it does not play 3D movies? So I guess those Sony fanboys who were criticizing the X1 for not doing it will start criticizing Sony for doing the same? I know, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. And I guess Sony changing their mind after telling us that 3D would be supported, using it to attack MS, and now only after a couple days later doing a 180/flip flop/lie/not knowing what they are doing/contradicting themselves is perfectly fine, not a problem, nothing to see here...

It is possible that it is part of the day one 1.50 update and the manual was never updated. I've seen that before.

Oh, wait, I figured it out. Like MP3 and CD, 3D Blu-Ray is an ancient technology and the PS4 is future proof just like the PS3 is, I mean was. Or is the excuse the PS4 is all about games and not media, that is why they do not support Blu-Ray out of the box, but can be updated so it does, does not support music except through their music service, but can maybe be updated later. And that is if Sony decides to keep their promise to update later, but then decides to not remove it later like they did with all those features they disabled in the PS3.

The possibilities of excuses are endless! But what we do know, it is fine for the PS4 not to support all this tech, but Microsoft not doing it with the X1 is screwing their users, and you need to get a PS4 now so that Sony can be the one screwing you!

Yes, that's why it's so much better with the Xbox One (once the support update hits). The maximum you can stuff into a PS4 now is 2TB's when there are external USB drives far larger than that out there already. Then there's the ease of use taking your collection to another console, ready to be used and copied by a friend what- and whenever he sees fit.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
So you can have 10 or 11 full games installed before you need to start deleting games or get out the toolbox to change the HDD?

Most games won't be 45gb! Fifa 14 is ~8gb, many games are in the teens and 20's. You will be fitting around 20+ games on it. You can also replace the hdd with a massive hdd if you wanted. You can of course delete games when you are bored of them and sell the disc like a vast portion of gamers.

torrentthief said,

Most games won't be 45gb! Fifa 14 is ~8gb, many games are in the teens and 20's. You will be fitting around 20+ games on it. You can also replace the hdd with a massive hdd if you wanted. You can of course delete games when you are bored of them and sell the disc like a vast portion of gamers.

Deleting is an option on the PS4, we do legal work arounds on the Xbox 360 and One. LOL

shinji257 said,

It is possible that it is part of the day one 1.50 update and the manual was never updated. I've seen that before.

What is it, it is a D1 update or is it not? One Sony spokesperson tells us one thing, and another tells us something else. Why can we not get a consistent story from Sony? It is a couple days from release day, and we cannot get any answers from Sony. This soon to ship day, there should not be this many 180s/flip flops/etc.

How big is this D1 update going to be, and how many features are actually going to be in the PS4 that is sitting on the shelves? Because it seems to me that every time people talk about a feature in the PS4, there is an asterisk next to that item claiming that it will be available in a D1 update or in a future update. What exactly does the PS4 do?

3D is great, it's amazing in Gran Turismo with a racing wheel as well, very immersive, especially in cockpit view. Helps in an FPS as well. Looks great in Puppeteer and LittleBigPlanet. It enhances Child of Eden quite a bit. For movies it's also great in action films and Pixar films, I enjoy it.

torrentthief said,

Most games won't be 45gb! Fifa 14 is ~8gb, many games are in the teens and 20's. You will be fitting around 20+ games on it. You can also replace the hdd with a massive hdd if you wanted. You can of course delete games when you are bored of them and sell the disc like a vast portion of gamers.

8GB? Doesn't sound like a next gen game to me.

But little 6 year old Johnny still needs to wait for his dad to swap that HDD in Christmas morning so he can play his new game. And if Johnny's dad is anything like mine, there will be plenty of swearing and end up needing to call someone to fix it. And what happens when that 2TB HDD (oh no, I guess that $399 game console no longer costs $399) is full of games and music downloaded from Sony's music service on that console that is only for games? Then you need to be continuously swapping HDDs to play different games. Johnny's dad is getting tired of needing to change the disk every 20 minutes because Johnny has ADD.

Mr.XXIV said,
lol and on the Xbox One, at least we'll be able to transfer our games between HDD's so that we can prioritize on what titles we'll play from time to time.

But that is just not a good way of doing it. Obviously needing to find a HDD that works for the game console, finding the screwdriver, unplugging your console, disassembling the console, swapping the HDD, reinstalling your games, downloading your game data (does the PS4 store your game data in the cloud? Of course not, Sony told us the cloud was bad, before they said it was good, before they said it was bad...), and then when that HDD is full and because they only make 2TB HDDs, needing to swap HDDs in and out to play different games, that is obviously much, much better than plugging in a USB cable.

Microsoft is just so last gen with the USB, and CDs, and streaming data. The PS3 and PS4 are future proof!

You hit the nail on the head WTS, you can't swap HDD's that easily in the PS4. It'll likely ask to reformat each time it detects another drive I bet, just like on the PS3. Future proof my *ss indeed!

WhatTheSchmidt said,

But that is just not a good way of doing it. Obviously needing to find a HDD that works for the game console, finding the screwdriver, unplugging your console, disassembling the console, swapping the HDD, reinstalling your games, downloading your game data (does the PS4 store your game data in the cloud? Of course not, Sony told us the cloud was bad, before they said it was good, before they said it was bad...), and then when that HDD is full and because they only make 2TB HDDs, needing to swap HDDs in and out to play different games, that is obviously much, much better than plugging in a USB cable.

Microsoft is just so last gen with the USB, and CDs, and streaming data. The PS3 and PS4 are future proof!

Dude, all we have to do is get a 2TB 3TB external that uses USB 3.0 for the Xbox One, partition it, and convert that specific drive to NTFS/FAT (whatever's available on the Xbox One).

Sony really is trying hard. Swapping..right. What happens if we wanna take our games somewhere else without the console? You know..get the games to another Console. Don't know?

Mr.XXIV said,

Dude, all we have to do is get a 2TB 3TB external that uses USB 3.0 for the Xbox One, partition it, and convert that specific drive to NTFS/FAT (whatever's available on the Xbox One).

Sony really is trying hard. Swapping..right. What happens if we wanna take our games somewhere else without the console? You know..get the games to another Console. Don't know?

He was being sarcastic . If you want to take your digital games to someone else, you're going to need to take the PS4 console with you.

Thief000 said,

He was being sarcastic . If you want to take your digital games to someone else, you're going to need to take the PS4 console with you.

WHY IS NOBODY ON HERE THROWING THE /s ANYMORE D:<

That's why I've been a loyal Xbox player since i was 8..or whenever Halo 1 came out.

Mr.XXIV said,

WHY IS NOBODY ON HERE THROWING THE /s ANYMORE D:<

That's why I've been a loyal Xbox player since i was 8..or whenever Halo 1 came out.

I thought the /s was implied

And I am not sure using an external HDD with the X1 is that complicated. I would think you plug it in and the X1 takes care of the rest.

Correct, just like it is now on the Xbox 360. If you purchase the game on another console, the only thing that will be changed is the license file and you can copy the installation files off the external hard drive.

Yep. I got a spare 1TB drive laying around for just transferring files around. IF I even need it, just plug in and boom an extra terabyte. To hell with swapping out an entire drive. I'll do that on a PC any day. I don't even want to think about the transferring of all the files over to the new drive. I'm sure it's a relatively easy process but it's not easier than 'plug it in'.

WhatTheSchmidt said,

I thought the /s was implied

And I am not sure using an external HDD with the X1 is that complicated. I would think you plug it in and the X1 takes care of the rest.

It's not, you basically tell it to when you go to the storage options, then you make transfers there after you format the part of the drive you've partitioned for the Xbox 360 or One.

Thief000 said,
Correct, just like it is now on the Xbox 360. If you purchase the game on another console, the only thing that will be changed is the license file.

Yea! The Transfer License option is in the dashboard!

Totally worth using external than swapping drives.

Mr.XXIV said,

It's not, you basically tell it to when you go to the storage options, then you make transfers there after you format the part of the drive you've partitioned for the Xbox 360 or One.

You are talking about if you want to keep separate partitions, not erase data that is on the drive, etc. I wrote about if you just have a blank/new drive sitting around. You don't need to do any of that extra stuff.

But what we do know is that it will be much easier than with the PS4.

Oh! No, that was a preference I created myself where I like splitting partitions. I always split partitions for every drive I have. -.-

Well it could be like that too (looking at the USB partitioning on the USB drives on the Xbox 360) as FATX has a file limitation and I would think they're not reusing that FS on the Xbox One.

You guys know that you can back up the HDD to an external drive and then restore it anywhere, right? including to a bigger drive if you want to swap the internal one.

But yeah, physical media is convenient. It's much better to take a disc or HDD to someone's house than to re-download a game. Good thing these systems still have disc drives and USB ports. It would suck if we had to rely only on the cloud.

Geezy said,
You guys know that you can back up the HDD to an external drive and then restore it anywhere, right? including to a bigger drive if you want to swap the internal one.

But yeah, physical media is convenient. It's much better to take a disc or HDD to someone's house than to re-download a game. Good thing these systems still have disc drives and USB ports. It would suck if we had to rely only on the cloud.

But the PS4 doesn't communicate well with external devices at the moment. That's the reason for this debate.

I read an tech blog somewhere about most teenagers preferred PS4 than Xbox. Sony Boys = Teens.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
So you can have 10 or 11 full games installed before you need to start deleting games or get out the toolbox to change the HDD? Imagine Christmas morning, little Johnny gets that shiny new game, but cannot play it because he needs to wait for his dad to figure out how to swap the HDD because the one installed is full.

Oh, and it does not play 3D movies? So I guess those Sony fanboys who were criticizing the X1 for not doing it will start criticizing Sony for doing the same? I know, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. And I guess Sony changing their mind after telling us that 3D would be supported, using it to attack MS, and now only after a couple days later doing a 180/flip flop/lie/not knowing what they are doing/contradicting themselves is perfectly fine, not a problem, nothing to see here...

deadonthefloor said,

Being a consumer device I would hope it would be ReFS.

I'd be heavily surprised if it was a Journal FS

WhatTheSchmidt said,
So you can have 10 or 11 full games installed before you need to start deleting games or get out the toolbox to change the HDD? Imagine Christmas morning, little Johnny gets that shiny new game, but cannot play it because he needs to wait for his dad to figure out how to swap the HDD because the one installed is full.

Oh, and it does not play 3D movies? So I guess those Sony fanboys who were criticizing the X1 for not doing it will start criticizing Sony for doing the same? I know, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. And I guess Sony changing their mind after telling us that 3D would be supported, using it to attack MS, and now only after a couple days later doing a 180/flip flop/lie/not knowing what they are doing/contradicting themselves is perfectly fine, not a problem, nothing to see here...


Little Johnny's parents needs to be better parents and make him go outside more if he has 11 $60 games by Christmas.

Not to mention, its stupid easy to pull the HDD and put in a new one. The hard part would be data migration which I'm sure its outlined Barney style so even the dumbest simpleton can accomplish it.

From a market standpoint, consumer 3D is indeed very much a fad, even when most sets now support the function. The sales of 3D BD's has been static for quite a while even with more and more movies supporting this.

Rudy said,
Isn't the 3D fad over anyways? X1 doesn't do 3D blu ray either

nothing. the sony boys just championed it as if it was, even though everybody knows 3D bluray technology is dead.

neonspark said,

nothing. the sony boys just championed it as if it was, even though everybody knows 3D bluray technology is dead.

^THIS

3D a fad s/he says, meanwhile occulus rift is getting hyped...

Head tracking + 3D TV in Gran Turismo is very immersive.

Geezy said,
3D a fad s/he says, meanwhile occulus rift is getting hyped...

Head tracking + 3D TV in Gran Turismo is very immersive.

And maybe five people got a setup that can do that? It's not something you'll see in the mass market

Geezy said,
.... occulus rift is getting hyped....

This is getting hyped because it's how our eyes see, not a 2-D interleaving gimmick that gives many people headaches.

neonspark said,

nothing. the sony boys just championed it as if it was, even though everybody knows 3D bluray technology is dead.


Lol what? So what, the PS3 had the capability. I don't recall ever hearing any PS3 owner telling me how 3D games were the next big thing. I hate 3D, everyone I know also despises it.

Where in the world do Xbox fans get their info? Probably the same place MS gets the naming schemes for their products.

Long console cycle and both systems still lack basic features at launch. I'm excited to get my PS4 and One, I just think the PS4 will be used a lot less until Sony reimplements media features.

Agreed, but I'm going to laugh at the desperate GAF and N4G bagatellisation now after it was deemed so important when the Xbox One didn't provide this. Oh the desperate hypocisy is so delicious.

Blu-ray itself is on the way out. More important is whether any of the streaming services like Xbox Video, Amazon, Vudu, etc. are going to start offering 3D movies. I'm looking at buying a 3D TV soon and while I don't see myself buying the overpriced 3D Blu-rays I will check out 3D movies on HBO and any other streaming services I can find.

I don't know about you, but if you are referring to blu ray movie, I wouldn't call it on the way out, but I would say already reach the peak and on it's way down.

For example, I won't buy a blu ray disk unless it comes with digital download (Ultra Violet is preferred), DVD and Blu-Ray.

3D Blu-Ray? Not in my life time. That's just my opinion.

Xilo said,
Blu-ray is definitely not on the way out.

minster11 said,
For example, I won't buy a blu ray disk unless it comes with digital download (Ultra Violet is preferred), DVD and Blu-Ray.

So you're why I still get those stupid DVD things. I think those triple packs might start to go away with both the consoles doing BR now.

No, I bought Blu-Ray so I get the ultra violet and Blu-ray disc. DVD? I don't even own DVD player.

Frankly with Xbox One, I can still watch Blu-Ray movie, again, don't care about 3D. Recently, I've been buying Xbox video with Smart Glass Option. Streaming is the future IMO.

Randomevent said,

So you're why I still get those stupid DVD things. I think those triple packs might start to go away with both the consoles doing BR now.