Rumor: Microsoft and publishers to get money from Xbox One used game sales [Update]

Microsoft has been deliberately silent when it comes to answering questions on how it will handle used games for its upcoming Xbox One console. Officially, the company has said it has made the Xbox One so that it can "enable customers to trade in and resell games" but details about how that will work have not yet been revealed.

Today, the UK-based MCV website reports, via unnamed sources, that game retailers have now been informed on how used Xbox One disc games can be sold. Basically, a customer can bring a used disc copy of an Xbox One game to his or her favorite retailer that has been previously approved by Microsoft to handle used Xbox One game transactions.

The story claims that the game disc is registered on Microsoft's database as having been traded into the retailer and the game itself is taken off the Xbox Live account of its old owner. After that, the game retailer can sell the used game disc for as much or as little money as they would like. However, the article adds that whatever the price might be, Microsoft and the game's publisher will get a percentage once the used Xbox One disc is sold to someone else.

The article claims Microsoft will charge an activation fee of £35 in the UK for a used Xbox One disc. If true, this would be a direct contradiction to what Microsoft stated earlier this week when they said there would be no such activation fee for used Xbox One games.

However, if what MCV is reporting is true, it means that gamers who buy Xbox One discs at full price might not be able to give those games to friends to play on their own consoles, at least not without having those friends pay an activation fee. It also means that retailers such as GameStop, which have previously received tons of revenues from used game sales, will have that flow of money cut considerably when it comes to Xbox One games.

Update: Eurogamer now reports, again via unnamed sources, that the activation fee for a used Xbox One game won't technically be paid for directly by the gamer but rather it will included in the price of a used game from the retailer.

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It's just pure greed imho.

For example, If I get two brand new bluray box sets say of game of thrones, so I decide to sell the other....should that mean the publisher deserves another cut?

What about if I sell my car, does that mean the car company deserves another cut?

I really don't see how this is any different, it's just pure, unadulterated greed.

I hope Sony don't go down this road, because if they don't; winning the console war will be a cakewalk for them..bye bye microsoft.

Meh just firmware mod the blue-ray drive or mod chip it and download and burn / run from HDD

Or stick with PC gaming.

To be fair its getting to the stage where tablet/phone games are taking over, I still see the console games making loads of money but not like it used to. I can sit for hours playing some games on my phone just like I would on a console or PC.

The future is cheap, pay to win games for low powered hand devices in my opinion. They have loads going for them and little against them. I cant justify the £50 charge for a game and paying over £30 for a second hand game not when all I have left a month for food and other luxury's such as car, insurance and stuff after the bills are paid is £300. I cant see many people having much money left to buy games at that price, the sales will be hit.

"Update: Eurogamer now reports, again via unnamed sources, that the activation fee for a used Xbox One game won't technically be paid for directly by the gamer but rather it will included in the price of a used game from the retailer."

So gamestop gets free pass, but giving to your friend gets incur's fee.

How does Gamestop get a free pass? They have to pay the activation fee when they sell the game to a new customer. What this means is that Gamestop will be forced to pay you very little money for used games, and they'll have to re-sell used games for MORE than £35+whatever they paid you for the game in order to make any profit.

I can't see charging £35 to reactivate a used game as a viable business model though, so I doubt the details of this rumour are true. If this whole scheme is true, the price will be much lower. Hell, some brand new games are less than £35 in my local Tesco.

So this means that I can't borrow games from my brother? I don't buy any games on my Xbox 360 because my brother buys 2 games a month. So I don't need to pay any games. So if this is true, I can't go over to my brothers place and borrow a game that he bet and will never play again?

If true, this is going to hurt them. They have to understand that these retailers are the ones that decide if your console gets a prominent space or is stuck int he back... Making it more difficult / costly for them will cause them to lean towards the latter...

I hope this is a false rumor...

M_Lyons10 said,
If true, this is going to hurt them. They have to understand that these retailers are the ones that decide if your console gets a prominent space or is stuck int he back... Making it more difficult / costly for them will cause them to lean towards the latter...

I hope this is a false rumor...


We all hope this rumor isn't true... but so far, all rumors have been proven to be true or even worse than we thought. This generation, us gamers may have to take a stand of solidarity and just withhold our money from these companies. It will hurt us for sure, but until we hurt them where it really counts, things will not get better.

Solidarity with the vocal minority? Sorry, but I personally have no problem with this used game rumor. It's all about letting developers get some money for their work. Nothing I've heard about the Xbox One has put me off.

kaotic said,
Solidarity with the vocal minority? Sorry, but I personally have no problem with this used game rumor. It's all about letting developers get some money for their work. Nothing I've heard about the Xbox One has put me off.

The developers got their money when they game was initially sold. Why should they get more? Do you give the original seller money when you sell something you bought? Would you give Ford a % of your old car sale when you upgrade to a newer one?

FloatingFatMan said,

The developers got their money when they game was initially sold. Why should they get more? Do you give the original seller money when you sell something you bought? Would you give Ford a % of your old car sale when you upgrade to a newer one?

That comparison doesn't work at all. An automobile is a physical, individually manufactured thing which degrades with use. A game is digital content which is always the same.

The developers have to cover the cost of that game with the overall sales, not the individual disc in a box.

Games cost millions & they pretty much have to be a guaranteed hit to even get the funding. That's why you get so many games that are very similar & that's why there are all these pre-order bonuses & DLC subscriptions.

I mean I live off of used game sales, but developers can suffer from it, especially developers that go against the grain & don't conform to what genre or mechanics are "in".

It's a perfectly valid analogy. I have a game. It has a box and it has a disc. I own this box and disc and it is 100% my legal right to do with my property as I will. That includes selling it and nobody has ANY legal right whatsoever to any of the proceeds from that sale.

Just because it's got digital content on it is irrelevant. That particular copy of it is mine, and I can sell it if I want. Games developers make their money back on the initial sale of the game and nothing else, and they have no legal right or even a moral entitlement to one single penny. No amount of whining will change that cold, hard fact.

Also, if MS really try this tactic on, they are going to be on a world of legal pain because they WILL be sued, and will lose. The law is on the consumer's side here.

FloatingFatMan clearly has no grasp of licensing laws. The data on the disc IS NOT YOURS, it remains the intellectual property of the publisher no matter how strongly (and wrongly) you protest otherwise.

Games are like movies in movie theatres. They are a piece of art. It's not unreasonable to expect everybody who watches that piece of art to pay to consume it. What you are suggesting is akin to filming that movie on your camera, and then giving it to your friends so they don't have to pay. While the ticket itself (the DVD in this analogy) is yours to do with as you wish, just because you've paid for a ticket doesn't mean what that ticket entitles you to see becomes your property to give away.

Well, apparently I know a lot more about licensing laws that YOU do. No license can restrict you from reselling something you have paid for, ever. This is a statutory right that cannot be surrendered or taken away. If you bought something legally, you are legally allowed to sell it.

Games are not art, they are a product. No amount of your pathetic attempts to troll the issue will alter that. Nothing is being copied, nothing is being lost. You are taking something you own and transferring ownership to another person. You do not retain a copy therefore nothing illegal happens.

The fact is, if you don't want to pay high prices for games, don't buy them. After Microsoft/sony etc. loose enough sales, game prices will come down. Its the same currently for any game that doesn't sell well. If enough people continue to pay $60 USD for games they will keep charging the same.

I understand people wanting to lend games to their friends, etc., but we have not been able to do this with PC software for years now. The way Microsoft are thinking is why should this be any different for console. It is a lot easier for people to pirate games and mod their consoles these days, so of coarse games companies are going to try and stamp this out anyway they can. It is only a matter of time before everything goes digital distro. anyway...

I for one do not buy games on release day because of the price, and can wait until they drop to what im willing to pay. It has been a lot cheaper for me to import games than buy preowned for a long time now. I'm sure this would be the same for the majority.

theyway it is hopefully someone hack this. because seriously this DRM its mess up. how many minutes i have to wait just to play the game because of mandatory install, there its NO ADVANTAGE in buying anything physical when it acts like a digital download....

If that its the plan of next gen i guess its time to move back to pc gaming since i will have all the annoyance and drm of it, there are no reason to stick with consoles when its main objective its to have the easiest fastest experience for gaming

Are you telling me you prefer to be swapping discs when you want to play a different game, and prefer the slow loading from optical media?

If your all wondering, i think its been said, they probably will have activation servers for borrowed games. Example

Account 1(You) and Account 2 (Friend)

Account 1 buys Forza 5, you activate it, install it, and you get your license for it, and you play it. Then after a month you take a break, and you give it to Account 2 to try.

Account 2 will get a message saying this game is activate on accounts 1 profile, would you like to activate it on your profile and deactivate on account 1. Account 2 presses yes.

Account 1 can not play the game until he buys a license or reactivates it on his profile.

Account 2 finishes the game, and gives it back to account 1, and account 1 activates it on his profile again, and thats it, account 1 will have his game back activated with no fee paid and account 2 played the game.


Same thing with Gamestop, Like it said above, there maybe a server that will deactivate all profiles once it is scanned in Gamestop and you buy a game and it reactivates for yours only. Its long but it works.

IF this is true, XBOne One isn't going to sell very well... And isn't this actually illegal anyway, as per the first sale doctrine and all sorts of other laws protecting resale of goods?

Except that games are merely licenses, not goods. You are paying for a license to run a piece of software. Nothing more. You never own the game and therefore have few rights to it.

Doesn't matter. You still own that license, and you are legally free to do with it what you will. The original owner cannot stop you, and has no right to any money gained from that sale. They cannot even ban you from reselling in the license terms, as that's a statutory right which cannot be surrendered. The law is completely clear on this issue, so your lame attempts at muddying it are just that, lame.

If MS attempt this, they will lose, badly.

I've not been following all the new/rumors so I may be wrong but from my understanding, if you buy an XBox One game and sell it to a shop, the shop then can sell it on as normal but MS and the developer get money from the resale?

Also if you want to lend a xbox one game which you purchased your friend probably cant play it without paying an activation fee? (so rumour has it atm).

I know nothing is set in stone yet but this is why I don't even bother with gaming any more these days, high games prices and the constant screwing over of consumers just takes the ****.

This would suck, many of my well made game purchases have been because I borrowed it originally from a friend or in todays case often piracy heh. (lack of proper demos and only polished up videos or biased reviews are no good to me)

I am sick and tired of todays state of gaming, especially desktop side and its a gods send parties like GOG.com still exist (stop using the utterly terrible Steam as an example please).
I can resell my GOG game if I please, I cant resell my steam games

Microsoft, that is not your money to take and dish out as you please. If the price cap of Xbox One games was enforced at $25 tops it would be acceptable.

But neither is it GameStop's. Given the choice between my second-hand game purchase price going back to Microsoft and Publishers to make better games and services, or going into the pockets of a greedy company that offers absolutely no value to the gaming industry, well... I know which I choose.

Greedy company that offers no value to the industry? Then why are they licensed to sell?

A couple years ago I was looking for Pinball Hall of Fame for 360. Not available on Arcade or GoD, and couldn't find it(New) anywhere. Eventually found out it was discontinued. I was sad. I called a few Gamestops and found a used copy nearby. I was happy. Paid $20-25 for it.

The activation amount seems abnormally high. $50 dollars could be more than you'd pay for a game that's never been sold -- because it sucks -- and has been marked down.

If they're going to do this, it shouldn't be more than $20 imo. I guess MS's view is that we as individuals aren't allowed to sell or lend the game i.e. transfer the license.

?????

I buy a brand new car, then after 3 years sell it, do you think the manufacture gets a penny of my car's second hand value?

No!!!!

This will kill the gaming industry as people will only buy A* games that they know they are going to get allot of play out of it?

o0MattE0o said,
?????

I buy a brand new car, then after 3 years sell it, do you think the manufacture gets a penny of my car's second hand value?...

You're in physical possession of the car, and you can't easily copy the car for next to nothing.

Car manufacturers also don't have ridiculous licenses that pretty much state that one doesn't own the car, they've only paid for the right to use it.

Because software is intangible, there's almost zero cost of inputs for a marginal unit. While a car has a lot -- raw materials, parts and labor etc.

LOL PS4 is looking better? Do you know anything about PS4 used game? All it is said is it can play used game, well so can the XboxOne, please dont say its better, because if E3 comes and they say your PS eye has to be on, or the used game thing has a block or fee, then your in for a problem.

And I remind you, if this is true, many, MANY top developers would go to Xbox than PS4 because they are guaranteed to make money (Because xbox will have a used game thing, and they wont lose anything) and on PS4 they will lose money (because used games can be traded into Gamestop and bought like it is now)

Therefore, if PS4 is gonna let used games act like normal now? Guess where the devs are going, to the new XBOX because they wont lose money on used games, while PS4 will.

PS4 will implement something, its a given, so dont jump to the conclusion that its better, because Sony hasnt said a thing about Used Games. They have kept quiet.

The game line up on the PS has always been meh. And as Mega said, we haven't heard anything from them about their used games either... If I was making a game I would choose Xbox One because I'd make more money.

He owns the (perhaps physical otherwise digital) license to the product.
He can resell this license to someone else. Its still 1 license in use, just like the car is just 1 car in use no matter which party owns it.

This is BS! 1 sale stays 1 sale. The person buying it used wasn't going to get it brand new anyways. And its been a normal way for getting rid of your old unused stuff.

Steam sucks IMO and removes the option of reselling or returning your product, even though its required by my nations law that this should be possible. But hey I cant start legal actions cause its too expensive! And they get away with it.

On the other hand if you look at Microsoft store, every paid product has a try before you buy option. Unlike most games on Steam.
Half my games on steam have been proven to be utterly useless, with a game time of less then 10 or even 5 hours. With only 1 well made purchase, Sins of solar empire Rebellion... *sighs*
Where when I bought a game 10 years ago, I could simply resell it to someone else or decide to keep it if I think its was a properly made purchase

Daaaaaaaamn. £35 is a lot. What if the game is a cheapy game i.e. "Amazing Care Bears 5", or a game that is just "good"? Those game won't be worth trading in from the point of GAME, etc. because no way will they be able to sell something like that if the user has to subsequently activate it for £35.

The user won't be activating it for £35 though. The rumour states the £35 is paid by the reseller when they sell the game to a new customer.

TCLN Ryster said,
The user won't be activating it for £35 though. The rumour states the £35 is paid by the reseller when they sell the game to a new customer.
You still have to pay £35 if the game was not reactivated by a reseller. That means that you give the disc away.

if thats true:
no private (license) transfer,
no private lending (temporary license transfer),
no possible game leasing either (time based license transfer).

Torolol said,
if thats true:
no private (license) transfer,
no private lending (temporary license transfer),
no possible game leasing either (time based license transfer).

Hold on, how is none of that true? The above rumor only talks about selling your game away to a 3rd party retail seller like gamestop. It doesn't say anything about what you can do with it on your own and not going through a middle man.

Game developers and publishers will be rejoicing at this news, turning the bane of their existence into a new profit stream but who cares about us consumers right? we are just cattle to be milked...*sign* this whole world is going to hell in a handbasket </rant>

Audioboxer said,
Developers aren't mentioned, only MS, publishers and retail.

They aren't mentioned but they will get a cut I'm sure, I doubt they'd be too happy that their publishers are making extra money off their hard work and not giving them anything.

+1 for a win for game houses. enough of gamestop screwing over gamers and publishers by essentially keeping game prices high as it is harder for devs to see revenue come their way. every used game GS resells is a game the publisher will never sell.

neonspark said,
+1 for a win for game houses. enough of gamestop screwing over gamers and publishers by essentially keeping game prices high as it is harder for devs to see revenue come their way. every used game GS resells is a game the publisher will never sell.
So youve never sold a game through ebay or lent/borrowed to/from a friend? +1 to Microsoft .

Publishers pay developers but they don't typically keep paying them after the fact. In fact it isn't so unusual for publisher to fire developers after a game ships. The second game in a series is often from a completely different developer.

Problem is, reselling your used products is normal. And I don't see when I buy a couch from (for example) IKEA, and resell it, that I have to pay a cut to IKEA for it.
The product is mine, and in case of multimedia, the license is mine. And according to both my dutch and our European law, that was is mine, I am allowed to sell (taxfree mind you) as a used product.

All the rumours were true. Microsoft is in full damage control as they cant understand why anyone wouldnt want their used game blocking, always online entertainment system. The suits havent got a clue. Bring back Allard!

looking at how well this has worked for the PC gaming market and steam, you're just in denial. no doubt sony will follow as they seek to reverse years of corporate losses and and staggering losses on the sale of each PS4.

neonspark said,
looking at how well this has worked for the PC gaming market and steam, you're just in denial. no doubt sony will follow as they seek to reverse years of corporate losses and and staggering losses on the sale of each PS4.

What am I in denial of exactly? I bought both the original Xbox and the 360 on launch day. It seems to me that you are the one in denial. The Xbox one is anti consumer. #dealwithit.

Anti consumer: How so? You have to buy NEW or used games? Oh god... how dare people who make games want money for their work. You have to connect to the internet "maybe" once a day? Big deal! You're on the internet right now!

This, I cant buy used copies of many multiplayer PC games, at least I cant do more then singleplayer, since the CD key has been activated before. This practice is over a decade old on Desktop computers, and only since the current generation coming to consoles.

More rumors, still expect official word soon'ish or at E3 for sure. Till then everyone's going to be tossing out guesses and rumors till the cows come home.

GP007 said,
More rumors, still expect official word soon'ish or at E3 for sure. Till then everyone's going to be tossing out guesses and rumors till the cows come home.
Lol still clinging to hope.

well the always on rumor was all BS, why do you think this will even be true. in fact 0 rumors about xbox game policies have been correct. NOT ONE.

neonspark said,
well the always on rumor was all BS, why do you think this will even be true. in fact 0 rumors about xbox game policies have been correct. NOT ONE.

Spouting out lies because you are so blinded by your fanboy allegiance doesn't make them anymore true.

Lets see shall we:

Rumour:
Kinect bundled with the Xbox and cant be used without it.
-Correct.

Rumour:
Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.
-Correct.

Rumour:
Xbox will have a HDMI input for a heavy focus on "Entertainment"
-Correct

Rumour:
Xbox will have a system in place for blocking used games.
-Correct

Rumour:
Xbox will be always online.
-Correct

How do you think this used game system will even work? It will have to require an always on Xbox for Microsoft to verify you have paid for your game discs through their Azure services.

What Neonspark says.
-Incorrect, untrue and desperate.

the better twin said,

Spouting out lies because you are so blinded by your fanboy allegiance doesn't make them anymore true.

Lets see shall we:

Rumour:
Kinect bundled with the Xbox and cant be used without it.
-Correct.

Rumour:
Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.
-Correct.

Rumour:
Xbox will have a HDMI input for a heavy focus on "Entertainment"
-Correct

Rumour:
Xbox will have a system in place for blocking used games.
-Correct

Rumour:
Xbox will be always online.
-Correct

How do you think this used game system will even work? It will have to require an always on Xbox for Microsoft to verify you have paid for your game discs through their Azure services.

What Neonspark says.
-Incorrect, untrue and desperate.

lest debunk some of your 'facts'

Rumour:
Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.
-Correct. but ps4 will not use any ram? you wish, it will be an 64 bit os so it will use allot of ram and 5 gb of ram is more then enough to run any game at the moment including pc games.

Rumour:
Xbox will have a HDMI input for a heavy focus on "Entertainment"
-Correct so gaming is not Entertainment for you and relay hdmi is evil now? and never heard of hdmi to scart converters?

Rumour:
Xbox will have a system in place for blocking used games.
- still unclear at this point but

Rumour:
Xbox will be always online.
- false it is not true

and about ps4

do we know that the pseye can be disabled
-no, i think it will need to be always on and we know it is included with every ps4.

do we know that the ps will not dedicate a portion of the ram to the os?
-no

Ps4 will allow second hand games as does the xboxone and both of them are unclear how it will work ( well they do but we don't)


so conclusion we know less about the ps4 then the xboxone and both of then will be similar when it comes to second hand gaming.

We will know when the consoles hit the market sooner then that you cannot say this console is crap or that console is crap.

michael1989 said,

lest debunk some of your 'facts'

You haven't debunked anything. Good try though.

Rumour:
Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.
-Correct. but ps4 will not use any ram? you wish, it will be an 64 bit os so it will use allot of ram and 5 gb of ram is more then enough to run any game at the moment including pc games.

Key words there "at the moment" - these things are supposed to last "for 10 years".
Sony's PS4 Ram is not only faster allowing for more bandwidth, but also they are not running 3 separate operating systems so I doubt they will even be close to that.

Rumour:
Xbox will have a HDMI input for a heavy focus on "Entertainment"
-Correct so gaming is not Entertainment for you and relay hdmi is evil now? and never heard of hdmi to scart converters?

I was just pointing out which rumours were true. Nice of you to make stuff up though.

Rumour:
Xbox will have a system in place for blocking used games.
- still unclear at this point but

Were you going to finish that sentence? MS have made it pretty clear where they stand - Major Nelson, Phil Harrison both saying if you want to lend to a friend they would have to pay the full fee. Microsoft are just saying nothing has been finalized because of the negative backlash,

Rumour:
Xbox will be always online.
- false it is not true

It is true. MS have said tough luck to servicemen, this thing has to be connected to the internet to function. The only thing that MS havent nailed down is the length of time between how often it has to be connected to the internet. Phil Harrison says 24 hours. Going somewhere without the internet for a week don't count on Xbox one. Again as above MS have gone into PR spin mode saying nothing has been finalized after the negative backlash.

and about ps4

Dont believe i mentioned the PS4 but ok.

do we know that the pseye can be disabled
-no, i think it will need to be always on and we know it is included with every ps4.

Is this a rumour? Anything to back up your assertions? oh youre just desperately trying to deflect criticism away from the Xbox one. Ok.

do we know that the ps will not dedicate a portion of the ram to the os?
-no

See above.

Ps4 will allow second hand games as does the xboxone and both of them are unclear how it will work ( well they do but we don't)


so conclusion we know less about the ps4 then the xboxone and both of then will be similar when it comes to second hand gaming.

So Sony will make use of Microsofts Azure. Good to know.

We will know when the consoles hit the market sooner then that you cannot say this console is crap or that console is crap.

Again I dont think I even mentioned the PS4 but nice try. You were just falling over yourself to defend your precious Microsoft.

kaotic said,
Wrong on all accounts.

What part of , " It has to connect to the internet once every day for you to play your games." Doesn't make that always on?
So far every rumor has been proven true. If you fail to see that, that is your folly.

Don't forget the MANDATORY Kinect 2 is always listening, even when the console is "off". That makes it not quite "off" in my book and thus "always on". Now maybe the PS4 does the same with the PS Eye or whatever but that doesn't have anything to do with if the rumor for the Xbox was right or not.

[quote=the better twin said,]

lest debunk some of your 'facts'

You haven't debunked anything. Good try though.

---lets give it another one shall we?

Rumour:
Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.

-Correct. but ps4 will not use any ram? you wish, it will be an 64 bit os so it will use allot of ram and 5 gb of ram is more then enough to run any game at the moment including pc games.

Key words there "at the moment" - these things are supposed to last "for 10 years".

--- you know that some of the pc games are already next gen and when the consoles come out they will be already current gen compared to the pc.

Sony's PS4 Ram is not only faster allowing for more bandwidth, but also they are not running 3 separate operating systems so I doubt they will even be close to that.

---- 3 operating system (more likely kernels) does not mean anything the 3gb you are talking about is for the os+ all the other apps
ps4 has faster ram i give you that


Rumour:
Xbox will have a HDMI input for a heavy focus on "Entertainment"
-Correct so gaming is not Entertainment for you and relay hdmi is evil now? and never heard of hdmi to scart converters?

I was just pointing out which rumours were true. Nice of you to make stuff up though.
--- i made stuff up so a hdmi to scart doesn't exist? games are no entertainment? and in my eyes you where making it a bad thing

Rumour:
Xbox will have a system in place for blocking used games.
- still unclear at this point but

Were you going to finish that sentence?
--- nope the 'but' was an error.

MS have made it pretty clear where they stand - Major Nelson, Phil Harrison both saying if you want to lend to a friend they would have to pay the full fee. Microsoft are just saying nothing has been finalized because of the negative backlash,

--- with other words it is still unclear so everything can change.

Rumour:
Xbox will be always online.
- false it is not true

It is true. MS have said tough luck to servicemen, this thing has to be connected to the internet to function. The only thing that MS havent nailed down is the length of time between how often it has to be connected to the internet. Phil Harrison says 24 hours. Going somewhere without the internet for a week don't count on Xbox one. Again as above MS have gone into PR spin mode saying nothing has been finalized after the negative backlash.

--- Harrison said 'I believe it's 24 hours' believe is the same as i don't know for sure and to be a little to precise (pick at your words) always on is 24/7 no minute less

and about ps4

Dont believe i mentioned the PS4 but ok.

--- 'Xbox will have weaker specs than the PS4 with only 8GB DDR3 and a whopping 3GB dedicated to the OS.' so you have mentioned it no?

do we know that the pseye can be disabled
-no, i think it will need to be always on and we know it is included with every ps4.

Is this a rumour? Anything to back up your assertions? oh youre just desperately trying to deflect criticism away from the Xbox one. Ok.

--- It is not a rumor the pseye will be included with the ps4
http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...ony-announces-playstation-4
when it comes to it to be mandatory on it is unclear.

do we know that the ps will not dedicate a portion of the ram to the os?
-no

See above.

Ps4 will allow second hand games as does the xboxone and both of them are unclear how it will work ( well they do but we don't)


so conclusion we know less about the ps4 then the xboxone and both of then will be similar when it comes to second hand gaming.

So Sony will make use of Microsofts Azure. Good to know.
--- come on you know what i mean and btw similar is not 'the same as' it is still so that we now more about the xboxone then the ps4

We will know when the consoles hit the market sooner then that you cannot say this console is crap or that console is crap.

Again I dont think I even mentioned the PS4 but nice try. You were just falling over yourself to defend your precious Microsoft.

--- where did i fell exactly? and me defending Microsoft, i don't thing my comment was fan boyish see 2 lines up however you have the right to think that.

At the end it will be all about your (or my) taste and nobody says you can't pick up both, in my case it will both or none at this point none and if none i will stay with may pc. btw i am not against Sony i have a psvita and love it only a pity from the low amount of good games.

DClark said,
We are all greedy. Whether it be the consumer that wants something, or the producer that wants something in return.

MS are greedy.

Why the hell should Microsoft get a penny of it? The whole argument for stopping the proliferation of used games was that it cost games studios a lot of money. All Microsoft are doing here is finding another way to profit whore.

Javik said,
Why the hell should Microsoft get a penny of it? The whole argument for stopping the proliferation of used games was that it cost games studios a lot of money. All Microsoft are doing here is finding another way to profit whore.

*cough*first party games*cough*.

seems you don't know the first thing about how console games are sold. MSFT gets a cut of every game no matter what, and so does sony and Nintendo. this has been the way it has always been. It is a percent of the price of the game.

when leach middle men like gamespot resell a used game, it deprives both the creators and Microsoft from the revenue. this in turn leads to higher game prices for those that buy new.

in other words, the faster gamestop dies and we go to a more steam like model, the sooner we'll enjoy the cheap prices PC users get on steam and these savings come from the publishers, not gamespot reselling the crap of the same dvd 10 times.

Although you are correct, there will have to be something else for console game prices to fall as well. It is a lot more difficult to get a price to go down then to increase it. Although it was the used game market that caused the prices to increase, It will require some healthy competition to get lower prices as well as removing the used game market. PC game prices fall so quickly because the lower price point was needed in order to pull people from console gaming. That is what happened with me. Our best bet for cheaper games is if Xbox is the only console doing this, then PS4 and Nintendo will have an advantage because they will continue to have standard used games. This will require Microsoft to lower initial prices to regain ground and if done well will possibly give them an advantage, this then will force sony and nintendo to adopt similar models to put them all on equal ground. This will make all right in the world.

neonspark said,
seems you don't know the first thing about how console games are sold. MSFT gets a cut of every game no matter what, and so does sony and Nintendo. this has been the way it has always been. It is a percent of the price of the game.

when leach middle men like gamespot resell a used game, it deprives both the creators and Microsoft from the revenue. this in turn leads to higher game prices for those that buy new.

in other words, the faster gamestop dies and we go to a more steam like model, the sooner we'll enjoy the cheap prices PC users get on steam and these savings come from the publishers, not gamespot reselling the crap of the same dvd 10 times.


Creators should not be deprived but Microsoft can be deprived.

If true, this is crap. Games already costs $60 and rumored to be $70 soon. So they are getting a ton of money from games sales. I see prices of used games going up as well.

false, if publishers collect more revenue which right now goes to the gamestop middle man, they will be able to recup their investment faster leading to price cuts.

gamestop is not your friend any more than any other leach middle man is. they are needless and pointless. steam has demonstrated how to cut the leaches, benefit creators and offer cheap games. why silly console gamers hold onto this notion of used DVDs is beyond logical.

as most pc gamers will tell you, steam was the best thing that ever happened to pc gaming and it has all but killed the used pc game market, and led to awesome prices and tons of independent devs being able to profit. none of that can happen as long as entities like gamestop keep getting in the way of creators and customers by re-selling used games.

neonspark said,
false, if publishers collect more revenue which right now goes to the gamestop middle man, they will be able to recup their investment faster leading to price cuts.

This world runs on capitalism, not whatever you think it runs on. Demand dictates price, whilst they can have the full original retail price and still sell units they'll keep it at that price.
If you were CEO and had a meeting with shareholders, would you want to go out and say 'well we now have back what we invested so were are gonna go ahead and cut the price from $60 to $20'...?

neonspark said,
false, if publishers collect more revenue which right now goes to the gamestop middle man, they will be able to recup their investment faster leading to price cuts.

Games will not drop in price if MS puts this in to place as long as people keep buying them like they are.

neonspark said,
false, if publishers collect more revenue which right now goes to the gamestop middle man, they will be able to recup their investment faster leading to price cuts.

In capitalism price depends not on how much it cost, but how much customers are willing to pay. Corporations prefer monopoly over free market and they will do everything to eliminate competition. Corporations prefer renting so they will do everything to make sure that customers own nothing. Sooner of later, there will be no second hand digital content.

Correct, the only thing that will cause the prices to go down is healthy competition from the PC game market (were games are considerably cheaper) Or the open source game market like an Ouya or a Steambox. But the elimination of the used game market would be helpful toward that end. It helped PC lower the average PC game price. Once prices go down on consoles I will consider going back to console gaming. Right now I game PC and use my xbox for media content and certian exclusives like Sports games, Forza, and Halo

nvm USD been similar, old guilder prices of NES games where over 100-150 guilder.
Where due to inflation and stuff 1 guilder back then roughly equals 1 euro now. And games are now ~60euros usually.