Samsung fiercely reply to Apple lawsuit for copying design

Yesterday Neowin reported that Apple had filed a lawsuit against Samsung for apparent blatant copying of the iPhone and iPad in Samsung’s devices despite the two having a good working relationship with Samsung providing Apple with components for the company’s iOS devices.

Today Samsung have fiercely responded to the accusation as a Samsung spokesman said "Samsung will respond actively to this legal action taken against us through appropriate legal measures to protect our intellectual property,"

It would appear that Samsung are annoyed by the accusation, so much so that they themselves are planning to take legal action against Apple as Chung Jae-woong, Samsung’s spokesman later said "We think Apple has violated our patents in communications standards. We are considering a counterclaim.”

It seems as if Samsung are stunned to see such a lawsuit against them and don’t plan on making the lawsuit easy for Apple to uphold. "Apple is one of our key buyers of semiconductors and display panels. However, we have no choice but respond strongly this time."

On top of the accusations for being in breach of violating some of Cupertino’s core technology patents Apple is accusing Samsung of violating its design patents, which in essence patents how the product looks. An Apple spokesman told the Wall Street Journal "It's no coincidence that Samsung's latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging. This kind of blatant copying is wrong, and we need to protect Apple's intellectual property when companies steal our ideas,"

It’s an open debate whether company’s should be able to patent such simple design ideas such as rounded corners on the phone and it remains to be seen who will come out of this lawsuit the victor. The question could be raised, how hard will it affect the Apple-Samsung relationship if at all?

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I cannot help thinking the timing is perfect considering that Samsung areabout to launch the Galaxy S2 which h I think Apple are afraid of becauae its going to kick @$$ and Apple know this. Being a Galaxy S owner I don't particularly like apple either. I hope that Samsung win this inane lawsuit against them because they haven't done anything wrong. Samsung supply the microprocessors for Apple they should evoke their supply for Apple. Two can play nasty. :-)

Before people start bashing Apple for this, i wonder if any one of you read the actual court filing. The filing lists in detail all the patents and registrations that Apple has in regards to the iPhone design, the icons and last, the packing. It has actual pictures comparing all the different items that Samsung copied. I was quite surprised looking at them. And Samsung continued even after Apple complained to them about the whole issue.

spenumatsa said,
Before people start bashing Apple for this, i wonder if any one of you read the actual court filing. The filing lists in detail all the patents and registrations that Apple has in regards to the iPhone design, the icons and last, the packing. It has actual pictures comparing all the different items that Samsung copied. I was quite surprised looking at them. And Samsung continued even after Apple complained to them about the whole issue.

Why wasting your time buying Apple's nonsense ?

we steal from each other's ideas all the time, then we improve on it. isn't this mankind's evolution? all these companies have become tards with money.

"I hate products that try so hard to pose as a rival product. This is clearly trying to be an iPhone. I mean don't these big companies have any designers that want some originality?"

Nope it's not trying to be an iphone..... it's better than that. And the only part that you might consider it looking similar to iphone is the apps screen, however this can be viewed in either grid or list form. General home screens could certainly have app icons but widgets provide, for me anyway, better info without opening an app icon.
Apple's move confirms it....the stale looking iOS is getting it's arse kicked by Android and this is their way of slowing things down. (How long has the Galaxy S been on market???).

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
Samsung should apply for an injunction to suspend their contracts with Apple, so they can legally stop producing iPhone components.

They could just stop supplying them period, but their investors would crap a brick

I remember my imate jasjam in 2006 had rounded corners. Clearly apple is onto a loser with that part of the patent.

I hope samsung goes all out against them in this one

I hate products that try so hard to pose as a rival product. This is clearly trying to be an iPhone. I mean don't these big companies have any designers that want some originality?

I said this in the earlier article and ill say it again 99% of cars have four wheels so why arnt the car manufacturer sueing each other every day........how about the originator of the first mobile phone sueing all manufacturer of mobiles cause there copying his mobile idea...... you know why because there not bothered about competition as it is good for the market. Apple on the other hand think likewise and there turning into a parody of themselves... anyone remember the apple 1986 advert.
I cant wait for this to be laughed out of court as any judge will ask apple's lawyers why it has taken them a yr to bring this case to court.
Also i can see palm LG and a number of other firms getting involved to sue apple for stealing there ideas.
Apple as useful as a chocolate teapot or a ashtray on a motor bike.

Whether there's reason to sue or not, it's debatable. But the similarities are there. They made the thing look like an iphone, just like microsoft made bing look like google (even the arrangement and wording of the search preferences is pretty much a 1:1 copy). and no one cares. I rather have competition than stupid lawsuits.

They should bring in a law that states you cannot patent a UI....stop all this madness in its tracks.

Fair enough for hardware innovation, but you cannot say since I made a tablet with a screen on it and its square, no one else can use this idea is beyond silly. These devices are now being build around the screen and becoming more and more compact, its inevitable that all the devices will eventually look the same. This is also the case for the GUI.
What will innovate will be the ability and the OS, not how it is visually shown on the screen.

The similarities are definitely there, but it will get thrown out if it can be proven that Samsung haven't used any of Apples code (for the OS). How many Desktop operating systems are there that look similar to Windows? Start menu on the left bottom, desktop, window manager? etc etc?

Same deal. As long as the company put it together themselves, then this is a non issue.

Neobond said,
The similarities are definitely there, but it will get thrown out if it can be proven that Samsung haven't used any of Apples code (for the OS). How many Desktop operating systems are there that look similar to Windows? Start menu on the left bottom, desktop, window manager? etc etc?

Same deal. As long as the company put it together themselves, then this is a non issue.

I could produce an image that looks like the Neowin logo but with an M and use it on my site, then go on to report technology news. I'd say you'd have pretty strong grounds to sue me.

Examinus said,

I could produce an image that looks like the Neowin logo but with an M and use it on my site, then go on to report technology news. I'd say you'd have pretty strong grounds to sue me.

But a logo is vastly different than, their icons look like mine and the phone has rounded corners. In 2004, 2005, and 2006 most smartphones had rounded corners. And I am sorry but those icons look nothing like IOS icons to me.

schubb2003 said,

But a logo is vastly different than, their icons look like mine and the phone has rounded corners. In 2004, 2005, and 2006 most smartphones had rounded corners. And I am sorry but those icons look nothing like IOS icons to me.

No, it isn't. The principals of copyright still apply.

wetworker said,
Thank goodness for WP7 and the metro UI.
I feel so proud showing off my phone when i'm in public, straight up original.

+ ∞

wetworker said,
Thank goodness for WP7 and the metro UI.
I feel so proud showing off my phone when i'm in public, straight up original.

Proud?

wetworker said,
Thank goodness for WP7 and the metro UI.
I feel so proud showing off my phone when i'm in public, straight up original.


How can you be proud when using a phone lol ? I do love the metro UI though and I absolutely hate the Apple UI. It's clustered and bulky.

wetworker said,
Thank goodness for WP7 and the metro UI.
I feel so proud showing off my phone when i'm in public, straight up original.

I own an Android. I like it because we can customize tons of stuffs. However, I also like WP7's design. I even make my powerpoint presentation like in metro style
iOS design is getting bored... If I am samsung, I will not even bother copying iOS design.

Said it before, there are launcher replacement apps for the android that looks like the iOS as well. I am sure Apple will sue them next as they like putting down the little guy.

Apple needs to get off their pedestal and release their **** stinks like everyone elses.

I hate to be a bother to EVERYONE on the internet, but Samsung is a company, therefore the gramatically correct way for the title to be written would be: *Samsung fiercely REPLIES to Apple...* A company is a group of people, yes, but when referring to the group as a group, you use the singular he/she/it form of the verbs, however, when samsung becomes the Anticedent of a pronoun, it can be referred to as either it(Samsung) or they (people within samsung). The difference is that a company is a singular entity, as is a group, but there are people, or plural entities, in that group.

****Disclamer: I am a student in highschool, so therefore my knowledge of English grammar is not top notch, from what I know though, you cannot use the plural 3rd person form of a verb with a proper noun referring to a company.

slayr007 said,
I hate to be a bother to EVERYONE on the internet, but Samsung is a company, therefore the gramatically correct way for the title to be written would be: *Samsung fiercely REPLIES to Apple...* A company is a group of people, yes, but when referring to the group as a group, you use the singular he/she/it form of the verbs, however, when samsung becomes the Anticedent of a pronoun, it can be referred to as either it(Samsung) or they (people within samsung). The difference is that a company is a singular entity, as is a group, but there are people, or plural entities, in that group.

****Disclamer: I am a student in highschool, so therefore my knowledge of English grammar is not top notch, from what I know though, you cannot use the plural 3rd person form of a verb with a proper noun referring to a company.

grammar Nazi

Xcali said,
Who's next? Maybe *apple farmers* will get letter from Apple Company.

How dare you, to use the word 'Apple' in your sentence!

It's a pretty obvious knockoff and Samsung probably thought they could get away with it because they provide Apple's parts. This is definitely shady by Samsung.

When I saw that Samsung commercial - immediately thought of an Iphone. So this is indeed confusing. This time there are too many similarities and I think Samsung was ready for it.

Rodrigo said,

You are obviously missing Apple's point. If you made it popular then it becomes your idea.

If that is so then Apple is missing the point of intellectual property. In this case granted that the device is popular and they don't want others copying their design. However, something so generalized as rounded corners, the bottom bar and the app layout style is ridiculous considering that Samsung was already using this design before Apple chose to patent it.

Now as I prefer to do in case people miss my point lets say your a box designer. You make and sell boxes to people. Someone else uses that design and makes their own boxes and sells them. They sold a lot more boxes than you and patent the design. You make a new box later, same design but a different color. You get sued by the guy who used the same design as you for 'stealing their idea'.

Hopefully that clarifies why I disagree with you statement.

The way I see it:
It's quite obvious that Samsung copied the phone design and UI design from Apple. Not just rounded corners but they went the whole way.
This lawsuit is good because hopefully Samsung will stop doing this because, honestly, it looks terrible on iOS and it looks even worse on Samsung. It sells, true -- this is because people don't buy the iPhone because it looks good but because they think other people think it looks good. This is how fashion works. So Samsung seems to look the same and thus people will buy it. The only truly attractive thing about their phones has been their SAMOLED screens, however.

Although, Apple shouldn't win this case because the hardware and UI design they are suing for has plenty of prior art in LG and Palm. It shouldn't even need prior art because the whole thing reads 'generic'.

Denis W said,
Kind of amusing to be attacking the company that supplies the processor they tout so much in their marketing.

is called marketing stunt

^^ LOL

Anyways, Samsung has their hands in *almost* everything. It would take MUCH more than just Apple's negativity to drop their goods. Here is a list I know of (feel free to add to it)

TVs, Monitors, Telephones, Cellphones, Microwaves, Refridgerators, Ovens, Vacuum Cleaners, Air Conditioners, Washers, Dryers, Cable Boxes (DSG), CD/DVD/BD Players, Projectors, Semi-Conductors (RAM, NAND Flash, Etc), Hard Drives, Batteries, Digital Cameras, MP3 Players, Laptops, UMPCs, Laser Printers, Fax Machines, Wireless Tech (Invention of WiMAX).. And last [but not least] .. Kitchen Counter Tops http://www.staron.co.kr/staron/eng/index.do

Take a bite of that.. Apple.

DanJamesJr said,
^^ LOL

Anyways, Samsung has their hands in *almost* everything. It would take MUCH more than just Apple's negativity to drop their goods. Here is a list I know of (feel free to add to it)

TVs, Monitors, Telephones, Cellphones, Microwaves, Refridgerators, Ovens, Vacuum Cleaners, Air Conditioners, Washers, Dryers, Cable Boxes (DSG), CD/DVD/BD Players, Projectors, Semi-Conductors (RAM, NAND Flash, Etc), Hard Drives, Batteries, Digital Cameras, MP3 Players, Laptops, UMPCs, Laser Printers, Fax Machines, Wireless Tech (Invention of WiMAX).. And last [but not least] .. Kitchen Counter Tops http://www.staron.co.kr/staron/eng/index.do

Take a bite of that.. Apple.

Or this: http://powerearthequipment.fil...35tone-1-8-mc-in-cupa-4.jpg

DanJamesJr said,
^^ LOL

Anyways, Samsung has their hands in *almost* everything. It would take MUCH more than just Apple's negativity to drop their goods. Here is a list I know of (feel free to add to it)

TVs, Monitors, Telephones, Cellphones, Microwaves, Refridgerators, Ovens, Vacuum Cleaners, Air Conditioners, Washers, Dryers, Cable Boxes (DSG), CD/DVD/BD Players, Projectors, Semi-Conductors (RAM, NAND Flash, Etc), Hard Drives, Batteries, Digital Cameras, MP3 Players, Laptops, UMPCs, Laser Printers, Fax Machines, Wireless Tech (Invention of WiMAX).. And last [but not least] .. Kitchen Counter Tops http://www.staron.co.kr/staron/eng/index.do

Take a bite of that.. Apple.

They make cars, boats, oil rigs and planes too !!

It might look similar, but I'm sure once taken for a spin it'll be obvious that it's not an "i" device. I don't know the laws, though, so I'll just wait to see what becomes of this.

srprimeaux said,
It might look similar, but I'm sure once taken for a spin it'll be obvious that it's not an "i" device. I don't know the laws, though, so I'll just wait to see what becomes of this.

Yea, probably not, once you leave the homescreen it's still android... But on first glance you see an iphone, exactly what samsung wanted, probably to get less tech knowledgeable people to buy their phone instead of the iphone on pure accident...
If you don't know your way around these phones like most of us geeks on here and see an iphone commercial and then see that samsung phone in a store, might fool a lot of people.

Leonick said,

Yea, probably not, once you leave the homescreen it's still android... But on first glance you see an iphone, exactly what samsung wanted, probably to get less tech knowledgeable people to buy their phone instead of the iphone on pure accident...
If you don't know your way around these phones like most of us geeks on here and see an iphone commercial and then see that samsung phone in a store, might fool a lot of people.

I find it hard to believe that a person cannot recognize an Apple branded product vs a non-Apple branded product. I mean, "Samsung" and "Apple" aren't that similar, are they? Maybe I just haven't met these people yet (and hope I never do).

Leonick said,

Yea, probably not, once you leave the homescreen it's still android... But on first glance you see an iphone, exactly what samsung wanted, probably to get less tech knowledgeable people to buy their phone instead of the iphone on pure accident...
If you don't know your way around these phones like most of us geeks on here and see an iphone commercial and then see that samsung phone in a store, might fool a lot of people.

That is just ridiculous.

Leonick said,

Yea, probably not, once you leave the homescreen it's still android... But on first glance you see an iphone, exactly what samsung wanted, probably to get less tech knowledgeable people to buy their phone instead of the iphone on pure accident...
If you don't know your way around these phones like most of us geeks on here and see an iphone commercial and then see that samsung phone in a store, might fool a lot of people.

This makes me think that you have been fooled like that, you buyed a Samsung instead of an iPhone, isn't it ?
Ridiculous arguments.

Leonick said,

Yea, probably not, once you leave the homescreen it's still android... But on first glance you see an iphone, exactly what samsung wanted, probably to get less tech knowledgeable people to buy their phone instead of the iphone on pure accident...
If you don't know your way around these phones like most of us geeks on here and see an iphone commercial and then see that samsung phone in a store, might fool a lot of people.

Did they miss the big SAMSUNG on the top of the touchy/clicky screen? If so, they need to put their diapy on and crawl back in their crib.

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srprimeaux said,

I find it hard to believe that a person cannot recognize an Apple branded product vs a non-Apple branded product. I mean, "Samsung" and "Apple" aren't that similar, are they? Maybe I just haven't met these people yet (and hope I never do).

1) Find the local store for your carrier.
2) Go there during a busy time so there are a few people in front of you in the line.
3) Overhear the conversations of the people in front of you and realize there are scores of people who have no idea who makes an iPhone and are perfectly willing to buy what the salesman will call an "Android iPhone" or "HTC iPhone".

Around my office I've actually heard someone use the term Android iPhone. As in "the guy at the Rogers store was telling me that this Android iPhone is better than the old iPhone (I'm assuming this was a reference to the actual iPhone) because the screen is bigger but everything else is the exact same".

Co_Co said,
the interface is obviously stolen

I guess windows wants it's icon's back from apple? Just because they put it on a smaller screen they must have been totally original eh?

Co_Co said,
the interface is obviously stolen

Thats the funny part. Its not even samsung's 'UI'. Its an app that makes the UI look like that. Not sure if its defaulted to use that app from opened package (highly doubt it), but thats more 'go after creator of app' instead of saying Samsung took their UI design. Love Android, cant do this with apple (make it look like android)

As far as the actual design...its close but so what, go after the damn chinese fake ipod/iphone's being sold on ebay all the time....whats the point to this? Stupid really, they get hardware from Samsung and everything...hope apple falls flat on their face with this move...ignorance

Dazog said,

I guess windows wants it's icon's back from apple? Just because they put it on a smaller screen they must have been totally original eh?


if you can't see the 4x4 grid with a dock on a black background (a la 3gs) with side swiping screens (indicators look similar but moved to the top) you are blind to the truth

they didnt call them iphonekillers for nothing

Co_Co said,
the interface is obviously stolen
Yup.
Dazog said,

I guess windows wants it's icon's back from apple? Just because they put it on a smaller screen they must have been totally original eh?

Last I checked, patents last 17 years until they become prior art.

theslam08 said,

As far as the actual design...its close but so what, go after the damn chinese fake ipod/iphone's being sold on ebay all the time....whats the point to this? Stupid really, they get hardware from Samsung and everything...hope apple falls flat on their face with this move...ignorance
LOL It's easier to attack a large organization than to attack little Chinese sellers of fake iPhones.

Co_Co said,
the interface is obviously stolen

Yeah, because a 4x4 grid of icons is totally revolutionary and no one would have come up with such a generic concept without Apple

Ji@nBing said,

Yeah, because a 4x4 grid of icons is totally revolutionary and no one would have come up with such a generic concept without Apple

and now people will see why WP7 is completely different.. It will be VERY obvious if anyone tries to copy them..

Ji@nBing said,

Yeah, because a 4x4 grid of icons is totally revolutionary and no one would have come up with such a generic concept without Apple

It's Magic.

Co_Co said,

if you can't see the 4x4 grid with a dock on a black background (a la 3gs) with side swiping screens (indicators look similar but moved to the top) you are blind to the truth

they didnt call them iphonekillers for nothing

My LG had that, a year before the Iphony, in fact, I believe I have seen mobile devices with a 4x4 grid many many many years ago. Apple is just being a whiny little emo kid again. Nothing new here, but it does get old.

Ji@nBing said,

Yeah, because a 4x4 grid of icons is totally revolutionary and no one would have come up with such a generic concept without Apple

I'd go one further and say, how on earth could an icon arrangement be even patented, as Patent D790 seems to imply. So what is all I can say, it's just some icons.

Shiranui said,

I hate apple more than Steve Jobs' pancreas does...

Ouch, but I couldn't help but laugh at your joke, lol. Does that make me a bad person, more than you? =P

Soulsiphon said,
I hate Apple.

I don't hate Apple but their fanboys, they think that are hipster but, in reality, they are just a consumer wh*res.

capr said,
seriously apple...?

Yea, seriously... Samsung made a UI for their android phones that is a obvious copy of the iphone homescreen, instead of the normal android app menu that scrolls up and down they put all the apps in a paged 4x4 grid on the mainscreen, then they put a dock beneath, sure they did move the page indicator to the top and used fugly icons but come on you can't see it?

And look at the four top images up there, the hardware design is obviously made to imitate too, i honestly thought the top right images were an iphone 3gs at first, exactly what samsung wanted.

Leonick said,

And look at the four top images up there, the hardware design is obviously made to imitate too, i honestly thought the top right images were an iphone 3gs at first, exactly what samsung wanted.

Doesn't Samsung provide Apple with their shell, along with many of the inner parts? Didn't Apple steal that design from the LG Prada, and the apps on a grid concept from PalmOS. Apple needs to just suck it up. Samsung is one of their biggest suppliers and they don't seem to be hurting their bottom line (Samsung specifically). No one is flocking to a Galaxy S phone because they love the home screen so much.

Leonick said,

Yea, seriously... Samsung made a UI for their android phones that is a obvious copy of the iphone homescreen, instead of the normal android app menu that scrolls up and down they put all the apps in a paged 4x4 grid on the mainscreen, then they put a dock beneath, sure they did move the page indicator to the top and used fugly icons but come on you can't see it?

And look at the four top images up there, the hardware design is obviously made to imitate too, i honestly thought the top right images were an iphone 3gs at first, exactly what samsung wanted.


Great so apple has the side to side scrolling on patent and android has the up down thing so everyone else does what diagonal scrolls? and do we only have room for one more OS?

a Dock is a good idea and has been around for ever does apple own it??? if 4x4 is patented by apple then we got 4x5 and 5x4 and 5x5 after that everything gets too cluttered so one again we are reduced to only 4 different OS's..... what's next did samsung also have volume buttons on the sides? somethings are too general to be a part of your patent...

Examinus said,
People are obviously trying very hard to ignore the obvious similarities. How ridiculous.

There are similarities, but then, Apple's UI is similar to previous ones available at the market (my Nokia from 2005 has the same icon grid with rounded corner icons, for instance).

Leonick said,

....then they put a dock beneath, sure they did move the page indicator......

Actually, in the newest version of their skin (the one that will be shipping with the Galaxy S 2) they moved the page indicators to the bottom so they're now in the exact same sport as iOS.

Also, if you look at the physical design of the Galaxy S 2, it looks like an iPhone 4. I think that's why this lawsuit is coming out now. When the old galaxy came out it looked like a complete iPhone 3GS rip but Apple probably held back because they knew the general sentiment would be 'there are only so many ways you can design a touchscreen slab'. Then Apple releases the iPhone 4 and Samsung releases their next generation galaxy phones and these phones again rip the iPhone.

http://www.mofonu.com/wp-conte...11/03/samsung-galaxy-s2.jpg

I think that's the point where Apple figured they had enough cannon fodder to do something. Closely replicated their hardware design once; irksome but passable. Closely replicating their hardware design a second time (after Apple changed their hardware design); a pattern is emerging that can't really be ignored.

sviola said,

There are similarities, but then, Apple's UI is similar to previous ones available at the market (my Nokia from 2005 has the same icon grid with rounded corner icons, for instance).

That's inconsequential.

geoken said,

Actually, in the newest version of their skin (the one that will be shipping with the Galaxy S 2) they moved the page indicators to the bottom so they're now in the exact same sport as iOS.

Also, if you look at the physical design of the Galaxy S 2, it looks like an iPhone 4. I think that's why this lawsuit is coming out now. When the old galaxy came out it looked like a complete iPhone 3GS rip but Apple probably held back because they knew the general sentiment would be 'there are only so many ways you can design a touchscreen slab'. Then Apple releases the iPhone 4 and Samsung releases their next generation galaxy phones and these phones again rip the iPhone.

http://www.mofonu.com/wp-conte...11/03/samsung-galaxy-s2.jpg

I think that's the point where Apple figured they had enough cannon fodder to do something. Closely replicated their hardware design once; irksome but passable. Closely replicating their hardware design a second time (after Apple changed their hardware design); a pattern is emerging that can't really be ignored.

Tell me how the Galaxy S II looks like the iPhone 4.


Leonick said,

Yea, seriously... Samsung made a UI for their android phones that is a obvious copy of the iphone homescreen, instead of the normal android app menu that scrolls up and down they put all the apps in a paged 4x4 grid on the mainscreen, then they put a dock beneath, sure they did move the page indicator to the top and used fugly icons but come on you can't see it?

And look at the four top images up there, the hardware design is obviously made to imitate too, i honestly thought the top right images were an iphone 3gs at first, exactly what samsung wanted.

Um, it isn't only Samsung, as there are tons of Android interfaces that have some of the same featuers, rounded corners, even some of the builds from Google directly would fall into the general class of interface and look.

Two really stupid things going on here...

1) After being slapped down many times for failed traditional 'copyright' based claims of look and feel, Apple is now trying to use a patent, which is a bit far reaching as this is not traditional use of a patent, as Apple did not invent a new idea/technology, instead they slipped their design 'look and feel' into the patent and go it approved. (In the ongoing lawsuits with Microsoft, even if the case hadn't been thrown out because of Apple licensing use to Microsoft for Windows 1.0, most legal experts agree that it would have failed, as the items not in the agreement, were also thrown out.) So Apple is trying the same crap, and this time, testing the patent laws to do it.

2) They are suing a hardware provider, and a pretty important one. Apple is not a hardware maker in the traditional sense, as they don't design the technology in their products, so they are dependant on hardware MFRs to not only design the technology for them specifically, but to also continue to produce it or find other hardware MFRs to produce it for Apple. Samsung is a very key hardware MFR for Apple, and they have very tight alliances with most of Apple's other hardware technology makers, like LG which makes their Retinal Display.

Why on earth are they risking their company over a grid screen of icons, which is something there is prior art for that goes back to WinCE PDAs, WinCE Tablet overlay interfaces, and even some consumer touch based remote controls and GPS devices that pre-date the iPhone by almost 10 years on some products.

Are the Samsung 'tablets' that much of a threat to the iPad? Is Apple scared?

What Apple should really be scared of is using their emotional response to companies in crazy lawsuits that in the past have always cost them more than they could forsee. (Their lawsuit with Microsoft alone cost them millions, and in the end, Microsoft won, and got an even better license agreement with Apple.)

I almost feel sorry for Apple, as I see them doing the same stuipd things they started doing in the 1980s when they felt like they were the only choice and didn't have to work with other companies.

PS Samsung, should partner closer with Microsoft, licensing what they can to cover the technologies they are using in Android that Microsoft holds copyright and patents for, and continue down the path of moving more to WP7 for phones, as they have planned, and then let Microsoft step into the Apple battle and shut down Apple's lawsuit, and send Apple running with their tail between their legs.

thenetavenger said,

Um, it isn't only Samsung, as there are tons of Android interfaces that have some of the same featuers, rounded corners, even some of the builds from Google directly would fall into the general class of interface and look.

Two really stupid things going on here...

1) After being slapped down many times for failed traditional 'copyright' based claims of look and feel, Apple is now trying to use a patent, which is a bit far reaching as this is not traditional use of a patent, as Apple did not invent a new idea/technology, instead they slipped their design 'look and feel' into the patent and go it approved. (In the ongoing lawsuits with Microsoft, even if the case hadn't been thrown out because of Apple licensing use to Microsoft for Windows 1.0, most legal experts agree that it would have failed, as the items not in the agreement, were also thrown out.) So Apple is trying the same crap, and this time, testing the patent laws to do it.

2) They are suing a hardware provider, and a pretty important one. Apple is not a hardware maker in the traditional sense, as they don't design the technology in their products, so they are dependant on hardware MFRs to not only design the technology for them specifically, but to also continue to produce it or find other hardware MFRs to produce it for Apple. Samsung is a very key hardware MFR for Apple, and they have very tight alliances with most of Apple's other hardware technology makers, like LG which makes their Retinal Display.

Why on earth are they risking their company over a grid screen of icons, which is something there is prior art for that goes back to WinCE PDAs, WinCE Tablet overlay interfaces, and even some consumer touch based remote controls and GPS devices that pre-date the iPhone by almost 10 years on some products.

Are the Samsung 'tablets' that much of a threat to the iPad? Is Apple scared?

What Apple should really be scared of is using their emotional response to companies in crazy lawsuits that in the past have always cost them more than they could forsee. (Their lawsuit with Microsoft alone cost them millions, and in the end, Microsoft won, and got an even better license agreement with Apple.)

I almost feel sorry for Apple, as I see them doing the same stuipd things they started doing in the 1980s when they felt like they were the only choice and didn't have to work with other companies.

PS Samsung, should partner closer with Microsoft, licensing what they can to cover the technologies they are using in Android that Microsoft holds copyright and patents for, and continue down the path of moving more to WP7 for phones, as they have planned, and then let Microsoft step into the Apple battle and shut down Apple's lawsuit, and send Apple running with their tail between their legs.

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I was actually waiting for someone to compare this to the Apple vs. Microsoft case.