Samsung's Windows Phone 8 flagship revealed: the ATIV S [Update: full specs!]

We still don't know exactly when Windows Phone 8 will officially launch, but one thing's for sure: it's getting close. Next week, Nokia will reveal its first Windows Phone 8 devices at a joint press conference with Microsoft in New York, but it's Samsung's first WP8 handset that's getting the attention for now.

An image acquired by The Verge reveals Samsung's new flagship Windows Phone handset, and as we reported yesterday, it will carry 'ATIV' branding that is expected to extend to the company's other Windows-powered devices.

The ATIV S features a dual-core 1.5GHz processor and 4.8" HD Super AMOLED display, along with a 1.9MP camera up-front and an 8MP shooter on the back. The specifications line up with what we've previously heard about the device, known by its codename 'Odyssey'. Assuming the rest of the rumoured information comes to fruition, the ATIV S may include both 16GB and 32GB on-board storage options.

A second Windows Phone 8 handset, with the development codename 'Marco' is also expected from Samsung, though this is believed to be a mid-range device.

What do you think of the ATIV S? Do you think you'll be tempted to grab one? Or are you waiting to see what Nokia and HTC have to offer before making a decision? Let us know below.

Source: The Verge


UPDATE: Samsung has officially announced the new device and the Windows Phone Blog has listed the full specs, along with some cracking new pics of the device:

  • 4.8" HD Super AMOLED display
  • Corning Gorilla Glass 2
  • 1.5GHz dual-core processor
  • 1GB RAM
  • 16GB or 32GB on-board storage options
  • microSD card support
  • 8.7mm brushed aluminium body
  • 2300mAh battery
  • 1.9MP front cam
  • 8MP autofocus rear cam with LED flash

Be sure to check out the Windows Phone Blog for some first impressions of the ATIV S too.

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I would prefer a capacitive home key over a physical one, I hated it with Apple, then Android, and now this. I hope Samsung comes up with the same phone in capacitive home key as the design, I think, is beautiful!

I'm not really sure if I'm gonna like that Home button design. I've seen it on their Android devices and didn't like it. It seems out of place.

HD will mean 1280x whatever it is.

Funny thing is when i first saw the picture i immediately thought iphone 3GS hahahah WP8 different user interface to android and iOS and windows logo on the button. I think samsung is giving the 2 finger salute to apple... try sue us for this lol

How can anybody (besides android guys) think that this is a good looking phone. Physical button? That stupid double chin that's on the HTC phones but hey put it in the back. That cheap plastic chrome plates edge. The specs are good, hard to ignore. If this was a direct copy of the S 3 I would be all over this phone.

Josh_LosAltosHills said,
How can anybody (besides android guys) think that this is a good looking phone. Physical button? That stupid double chin that's on the HTC phones but hey put it in the back. That cheap plastic chrome plates edge. The specs are good, hard to ignore. If this was a direct copy of the S 3 I would be all over this phone.

How can S3 be a good looking phone? It's way fuglier.

This changes everything! Nokia has to come out with pureview to compete with this spec. The spec is similar to Galaxy S3 but an improvement as they are using metal.

gohatters said,
How do you pronounce ATIV? @-iv or 8-iv are my best guesses. The latter being a WP8 play

I'm going with the 8-iv variant.

Is the battery removable? Will the 2300 mAh battery significantly increase the working time over current WP offerings?

The Lumia 900's has an 1830 mAh battery which is not powerful enough. I need a Windows Phone with a long lasting battery, and/or easily swappable batteries for home and work. I loved my Samsung focus until a hardware failure on vacation forced me to switch.

Wonder if the revealing has anything to do with the recent loss in the Apple case. Seems like a small way to reveal this compared to a bigger event that would have been expected.

While I am not very fond of the look of the Windows button on this phone, I am guessing it is form following function. I am thinking it is a physical button so you can use it while the screen/digitizer is off. Having used both a WP7 with a physical button and one with a capacitive button, I prefer the physical one. However, this one just looks out of place to me.

well seems that the whole microsoft pushing nokia wp in favor of other OEM seems out of the way i guess....

On other hand nokia should been the first in announce a new wp8, lets see what nokia will bring but so far i prefer samsung wp design over the gs3 and note2 lawyer design.

uh oh....this phone has a button in the centre-bottom area of the device....

Shussh, don't tip off Apple

/endsarcasm

Wiggz said,
uh oh....this phone has a button in the centre-bottom area of the device....

Shussh, don't tip off Apple

/endsarcasm

Microsoft and Apple has a patent sharing agreement. So they are safe in that regard.

Frazell Thomas said,

Microsoft and Apple has a patent sharing agreement. So they are safe in that regard.

Microsoft and Apple have patent agreements, not Samsung and Apple. The software that Microsoft sells to hardware developers is protected, but not the design of the hardware performed by 3rd parties like Samsung.

nohone said,

Microsoft and Apple have patent agreements, not Samsung and Apple. The software that Microsoft sells to hardware developers is protected, but not the design of the hardware performed by 3rd parties like Samsung.


Actually the button layout on WP has been pretty restrictive and has been bound to the license...

Apple has rounded button...

Samsung has rectangular button with rounded corners...

Nothing is wrong with it.

Anyway, nothing is original these days since 1980s... As you see there are lot of similar things since then... such as Ford/Mercury vehicles which they have similar body design.

Similar website templates all over the internet.

Ford / Mercury have been going like this for many years...

Just like you see similar house designs in the subdivisions.... some houses have same features/colors...

Even Neowin logo and the similar logos are all over the internet which they were mentioned on the forums from time to time ...

shozilla said,
Apple has rounded button...

Samsung has rectangular button with rounded corners...

Nothing is wrong with it.

Anyway, nothing is original these days since 1980s... As you see there are lot of similar things since then... such as Ford/Mercury vehicles which they have similar body design.

Similar website templates all over the internet.

Ford / Mercury have been going like this for many years...

Just like you see similar house designs in the subdivisions.... some houses have same features/colors...

Even Neowin logo and the similar logos are all over the internet which they were mentioned on the forums from time to time ...

Er... uh... Mercury was a division of Ford. Just like Lincoln. All vehicles were built on the same chassis and many shared the same style with different badging. So, that's no a really apt comparison. The rest are fine, however.

Wyn6 said,

Er... uh... Mercury was a division of Ford. Just like Lincoln. All vehicles were built on the same chassis and many shared the same style with different badging. So, that's no a really apt comparison. The rest are fine, however.

I know that... I was saying 'similar' things.... like I said no one is original these days...

If you come up with original product and you got over million users who are using your product you sold to, then someone else will come up with similar product with extra features and the users will flock over to this product. Then you work hard to get them back with new features added to your revised product...That's how it works.

People move from Product A to Product B all the time, which recently, people from Gmail have switched to Outlook.com because they like 'outlook.com' domain and better interface.

Something tells me that all these are going to fail very badly.....don't like the design at all....when will Samsung realise that they gotta do just about something awesome to sell Windows Phone devices....and not fall back on their older designs and shenanigans.... can't they learn from any of their contemporaries? Nokia, Apple....Hire some goddamn good industrial designers!!

Mohitster said,
Something tells me that all these are going to fail very badly.....don't like the design at all....when will Samsung realise that they gotta do just about something awesome to sell Windows Phone devices....and not fall back on their older designs and shenanigans.... can't they learn from any of their contemporaries? Nokia, Apple....Hire some goddamn good industrial designers!!

I don't know, I think it's pretty nice. Definitely nicer looking than the Focus.

Mohitster said,
Something tells me that all these are going to fail very badly.....don't like the design at all....when will Samsung realise that they gotta do just about something awesome to sell Windows Phone devices....and not fall back on their older designs and shenanigans.... can't they learn from any of their contemporaries? Nokia, Apple....Hire some goddamn good industrial designers!!

I don't know, I think it's pretty nice. Definitely nicer looking than the Focus.

Mohitster said,
Something tells me that all these are going to fail very badly.....don't like the design at all....when will Samsung realise that they gotta do just about something awesome to sell Windows Phone devices....and not fall back on their older designs and shenanigans.... can't they learn from any of their contemporaries? Nokia, Apple....Hire some goddamn good industrial designers!!

Galaxy S2 and S3 are ugly phones as well and yet they sell well.

I am still waiting for September 5th and the Nokia/Microsoft event. My trusty Focus S is a wonderful device, but, let's face it, if you are on Neowin, you don't sit with last gen things

tanjiajun_34 said,
Looks like a Galaxy S III on the front and a Galaxy S II on the back....

I was thinking the opposite. The black front with the square home button and that bar speaker at the top looks very very similar to the S2.

TCLN Ryster said,

I was thinking the opposite. The black front with the square home button and that bar speaker at the top looks very very similar to the S2.

Oh yeah didn't see that. Ok.... The top part of the phone (front and back) looks like S3. The bottom part of the phone (front and back) looks like S2. Cos the front and back camera and call speaker looks like S3. And the Home screen as you said and the back speaker like thing looks like S2....

Osiris said,
I prefer the rectangular design of the samsung Omnia 7 or Nokia Lumias

Agreed. Round corners make no sense on when the UI is based on squares.

I'm interesting in a big screen WP8 device, but I'll have to actually hold it in my hand first. I'm thinking 4.3" could be good but I dunno, my eyesight sucks so 4.6" should be right.

I also know people who thought the Galaxy Note was too huge at 5" but after using the device they tend to love it, and the sales speak for it as well since it's done good.

tanjiajun_34 said,

4 similar comments don't do for us either...

That's a bug with neowin atm. It's making a lot of posts dub/trip/quad.

benalvino said,
for them to sell they should call it Samsung galaxy w or galaxy 8.... because their galaxy branding is strong.

They already had a Galaxy W, midrange Android phone, iirc.

PaCpiS said,
Waiting for Nokia and HTC models

Same here. I want to see what every company has to offer and then make my purchase. I'll be on my honeymoon but will have WiFi to check in Sept 5th to see what Nokia is coming out with.

M_Lyons10 said,
Not bad. It looks like a Samsung... I'm really more interested in what WP8 will bring over the hardware...

Is it just me, or did Samsung just recycle the Galaxy S?

BigGiantHead said,

Is it just me, or did Samsung just recycle the Galaxy S?


Apparently they did better, the back is all metal and not plastic.

BajiRav said,

Apparently they did better, the back is all metal and not plastic.

I'll give you that, the back looks worlds better than the SGS. The front...not so much!

Horrible name. I'm not so sure about silver either. I've been pretty happy with my Focus so I'd consider another Samsung.

ahhell said,
Horrible name. I'm not so sure about silver either. I've been pretty happy with my Focus so I'd consider another Samsung.

I think the name could grow on you/others. I mean look at other OEMs, they've just made up names before and they've managed to stick with good marketing behind them. Sony Vaio anyone?

GP007 said,

I think the name could grow on you/others. I mean look at other OEMs, they've just made up names before and they've managed to stick with good marketing behind them. Sony Vaio anyone?

Or the Sony Playstation VITA, which coincidently is ATIV backwards ;-)

GP007 said,

I think the name could grow on you/others. I mean look at other OEMs, they've just made up names before and they've managed to stick with good marketing behind them. Sony Vaio anyone?

Or the Sony Playstation VITA, which coincidently is ATIV backwards ;-)

Edit: Sigh... Neowin please fix this double posting nonsense

TCLN Ryster said,

Or the Sony Playstation VITA, which coincidently is ATIV backwards ;-)


Actually "Vita" is not a made up word: in Latin and in Italian means "Life"; not sure about Spanish though.

GP007 said,

I think the name could grow on you/others. I mean look at other OEMs, they've just made up names before and they've managed to stick with good marketing behind them. Sony Vaio anyone?


Vaio has a meaning behind it, you just dont know it. They didnt just grab the word from thin air and decided it to use as their laptop flagship name.

TCLN Ryster said,

Or the Sony Playstation VITA, which coincidently is ATIV backwards ;-)

Edit: Sigh... Neowin please fix this double posting nonsense


IMO Sony is always really good with naming their stuff.
Remember the SIXAXIS controller and their advantage of working from any angle, hence a word thats the same spelled forwards and backwards

Shadowzz said,

Vaio has a meaning behind it, you just dont know it. They didnt just grab the word from thin air and decided it to use as their laptop flagship name.

Except it's not a word at all, it's a silly acronym, or that's how it started, (Visual Audio Intelligent Organizer). That sounds pretty bad to me. There isn't any deep meaning behind VAIO like you make it sound.

Shadowzz said,

IMO Sony is always really good with naming their stuff.
Remember the SIXAXIS controller and their advantage of working from any angle, hence a word thats the same spelled forwards and backwards
Wow didn't notice it until you said it. Thanks

I thought all the WinPhone zealots cussed Android for "needing" dual core whereas WinPhone doesn't? Either way, I hope this pushed WP8 the same way the GS2 pushed Android!

nik louch said,
I thought all the WinPhone zealots cussed Android for "needing" dual core whereas WinPhone doesn't?

Windows Phone still doesn't need it...

nik louch said,
I thought all the WinPhone zealots cussed Android for "needing" dual core whereas WinPhone doesn't? Either way, I hope this pushed WP8 the same way the GS2 pushed Android!

Android needs it to run the UI. Windows Phone needs it to run High-End games/apps.

Xerax said,

Android needs it to run the UI. Windows Phone needs it to run High-End games/apps.

Agreed. Higher performance is never bad. Imagine a Exynos processor powering Windows Phone. I think you cannot even see lag as all!

Xerax said,

Android needs it to run the UI. Windows Phone needs it to run High-End games/apps.

I'm running Jelly Bean on a single core 1GHz and there is zero lag, try again.

nik louch said,
I thought all the WinPhone zealots cussed Android for "needing" dual core whereas WinPhone doesn't? Either way, I hope this pushed WP8 the same way the GS2 pushed Android!

Just the natural progression of phones really.

thealexweb said,

I'm running Jelly Bean on a single core 1GHz and there is zero lag, try again.

I'm running 4.1 on a Nexus 7 and there is lag.

thealexweb said,

I'm running Jelly Bean on a single core 1GHz and there is zero lag, try again.

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."

thealexweb said,

I'm running Jelly Bean on a single core 1GHz and there is zero lag, try again.

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."

thenetavenger said,

;

Holy multi-post Batman...

Not sure what is up with Neowin, but submissions return without updating the page, at least in IE10, and just today.

I first though others were having connectivity issues, or some other user overlooked error; however, something is up and it appears that there is just general server saturation issues all together.


PS While on the subject, can Neowin update their authentication for multiple login points. As 'TheNetAvenger' my posts bounce around, the world if necessary, and not being able to hold authentication on systems is annoying.

It is also really annoying that even just flipping to the Desktop version of IE10 to the Metro IE10 that users need to login again.

Maybe should just jump to the Twitter login, and let the old account go?

thenetavenger said,

snip

Yes it's a custom rom but it's the truth, my definition of lag is when loading something or performing a task the delay is so small there isn't time for the user to register it, that's the situation on 4.1.1 for me.

thenetavenger said,

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."


Try opening up the google+ app, then start scrolling down. Every post which comes up lags.

thenetavenger said,

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."

You post this drivel (with little in the way of actual fact) then have the nerve to call someone else ignorant? Really? There were a very select few non-accelerated drawing operations in Android 4.0, everything else was HW accelerated. Also the Android UI has been HW composited since the very beginning. Apps could opt out if they were using one of those un-accelerated operations, as a stop gap till either the op became accelerated or the app was changed to not use it. On Jelly Bean it's a different story as HW acceleration is now forced on for all apps.

I should also point out that I run a Jelly Bean ROM on a 1.2GHz phone and also see no lag. You gonna call me a liar to?

thenetavenger said,

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."

What phone is it that is single core and you could put 4.1 on it as well? Just curious. I would like to dabble in a new rom for my LG marquee.

thenetavenger said,

I'll try again, because you are lying or really ignorant.

If you take a high end quad core Android device, I can show you lag on it, that doesn't occur on a WP7 1st generation device with a single 1ghz CPU.

The reason is all UI elements and the display rendering is pushed through the GPU on the WP7. So not only are elements and UI constructs like controls and text getting GPU assisted creation/rendering, but the final output is managed on the GPU as well.

Even with the GPU acceleration of Android 4.x, it still does NOT FULLY accelerate the rendering of UI elements and does not have a full composition layer. (As this would break too many Apps due to the horrid architecture of Android.)

So if you have a 1ghz device with no lag, you are lying, as even the newest quad core has 'lag'. Go pull reviews of the latest Android devices, reviews will still mention something like: "UI is still less responsive and/or laggy than WP7/iOS."

What phone is it that is single core and you could put 4.1 on it as well? Just curious. I would like to dabble in a new rom for my LG marquee.

SharpGreen said,

You post this drivel (with little in the way of actual fact) then have the nerve to call someone else ignorant? Really? There were a very select few non-accelerated drawing operations in Android 4.0, everything else was HW accelerated. Also the Android UI has been HW composited since the very beginning. Apps could opt out if they were using one of those un-accelerated operations, as a stop gap till either the op became accelerated or the app was changed to not use it. On Jelly Bean it's a different story as HW acceleration is now forced on for all apps.

I should also point out that I run a Jelly Bean ROM on a 1.2GHz phone and also see no lag. You gonna call me a liar to?


Which ROM did you use? I used vicious Jelly Bean ROM on my Nexus and I still see lag. If you open up the G+ app, then scroll down, every new post lags up from the bottom. Even games like temple run lags once it speeds up.

nik louch said,
I thought all the WinPhone zealots cussed Android for "needing" dual core whereas WinPhone doesn't? Either way, I hope this pushed WP8 the same way the GS2 pushed Android!

android needs that power more than the windows phone os does. microsoft have polished and tuned the os heavily for the best performance with single cores.

Xerax said,

Android needs it to run the UI. Windows Phone needs it to run High-End games/apps.

Funny I can turn the second core off in my Galaxy S2 and Android 4.0.4 still runs smooth like butter even down clocked to 800 or 1000mhz single core.

Xerax said,

Android needs it to run the UI. Windows Phone needs it to run High-End games/apps.

Funny I can turn the second core off in my Galaxy S2 and Android 4.0.4 still runs smooth like butter even down clocked to 800 or 1000mhz single core.

Daniel_Pooh said,

Funny I can turn the second core off in my Galaxy S2 and Android 4.0.4 still runs smooth like butter even down clocked to 800 or 1000mhz single core.


sure. I've seen many androids, they all lag. upto the galaxy S3. Maybe your just used to it and i'm not. Its a matter of perception too.
the Lumia's dont feel laggy at all. even the iphone 4s has more moments of lag.

Shadowzz said,

sure. I've seen many androids, they all lag. upto the galaxy S3. Maybe your just used to it and i'm not. Its a matter of perception too.
the Lumia's dont feel laggy at all. even the iphone 4s has more moments of lag.

Yeah, that is why. I have an iPhone 3gs. I've tweaked it a lot to get it as speedy as it can be. I want an android but haven't played with one that didn't feel laggy compared to my 3gs. The most annoying parts are dragging/scrolling. Where you drag the screen and android takes a few milliseconds and jumps to where it should have been already.