Steam for Mac launches today

The long awaited roll out of Steam on OS X begins today after its announcement in early March. In Valve's announcement released today Steam Play will be launched which allows users to purchase Steam software once and be able to play it on all Steam supported platforms. This could be another hint that Steam will be heading to Linux in the near future after evidence was found earlier this month suggesting a client was being developed.

New games will be released on Steam for OS X on Wednesdays in the coming weeks which Valve says will "highlight specific functionalities of Steam on the Mac".

Valve's first Source engine based release will be Portal and will feature Steam Play, however this specific announcement may suggest other Valve games might not be available at the release of Steam for Mac. Although Valve has said previously that their entire range of games including the Half-Life and Left 4 Dead series will eventually become available on OS X. The image below from the Steam beta on Mac also shows Team Fortress 2 being available but this is not confirmed to be available for release this Wednesday.

Steam on Mac beta

The Steamworks suite of publishing and development tools from Valve will also be available on OS X. The features of this suite include product key authentication, copy protection, auto-updating, social networking, anti-cheating technology and more. All of these will be available for free for use on digital and physical versions of games.

Runic Games' Torchlight will be among the games available at launch alongside Portal which acknowledges that 3rd party developers for Steam are also showing interest in porting their games over to Mac.

The release from Valve did not state at what time Steam for Mac would be released nor did it reveal when Valve games besides Portal would be available.

Update: Steam for Mac is available Here.

Image: Macworld

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Intrinsica said,
"Steam on Mac is currently in closed beta. Login with an enrolled account to continue." Oh well, at least I'm one step further...

It's just the service which isn't live yet, the client is final.

Can't wait! Hopefully everything is up and running by the time I get home tonight. Hopefully the download servers are working well this evening .

Shadrack said,
Can't wait! Hopefully everything is up and running by the time I get home tonight. Hopefully the download servers are working well this evening .

I'm not even going to leave it up to that. I have a lot of the data files I already need ready to just be transferred over to my OS X install of Steam. It's bad enough when an update is released for a popular game (think The Passing for L4D2). When this goes live, Steam is going to get HAMMERED.

xfodder said,
it hasn't been released yet right? i can't find the download anywhere

Don't think it's been "released". If it has, it's not anywhere on Steam's site.

Good timing Valve!

xfodder said,
it hasn't been released yet right? i can't find the download anywhere

Valve doesn't usually update their website until around 12-1PM Eastern time.

speedstr3789 said,
So if you are playing games with Wine or Bootcamp, are you really playing games on a mac? hmmmm

No, these are poor solutions and not really native. Thankfully, this is nothing about that.

speedstr3789 said,
So if you are playing games with Wine or Bootcamp, are you really playing games on a mac? hmmmm

I would think so, because it's the same computer. People seem to think that the hardware becomes obsolete when running anything other than Windows. I, personally, prefer Wine, as I would still have access to my other apps on OS X.

NeoTrunks said,

I would think so, because it's the same computer. People seem to think that the hardware becomes obsolete when running anything other than Windows. I, personally, prefer Wine, as I would still have access to my other apps on OS X.


i think the point is, why run bootcamp when you can just run windows? i mean if you spend most of the time you spend on your pc playing games in windows on your mac, you might as well have just spent less on hardware and the OS and spent all your time in windows right?
aside from the fact that rebooting just to play a game seems like a real PITA.
otherwise there's really little as far as hardware goes to differentiate a mac from a windows or linux PC. except that mac hardware tends to be a mix of too much combined with too little, when compared to similarly specced or price range prebuilt windows PCs.

treemonster said,

i think the point is, why run bootcamp when you can just run windows? i mean if you spend most of the time you spend on your pc playing games in windows on your mac, you might as well have just spent less on hardware and the OS and spent all your time in windows right?
aside from the fact that rebooting just to play a game seems like a real PITA.
otherwise there's really little as far as hardware goes to differentiate a mac from a windows or linux PC. except that mac hardware tends to be a mix of too much combined with too little, when compared to similarly specced or price range prebuilt windows PCs.

Because we don't spend most of our time on our PC's playing games. It's something that's nice to do once in awhile, but it is not worth getting a Windows PC to miss out on the software and workflow of Mac OS X. No one outright buys a Mac to play games, but it is nice to know that you can every now and then.

NeoTrunks said,

Because we don't spend most of our time on our PC's playing games. It's something that's nice to do once in awhile, but it is not worth getting a Windows PC to miss out on the software and workflow of Mac OS X. No one outright buys a Mac to play games, but it is nice to know that you can every now and then.

I have Windows and OSX on my Macbook Pro. Use OSX for work and school related stuff and Windows from gaming. My degree is in Multimedia so I don't really have an option of using Windows for school stuff. We use a lot of Mac specific software that doesn't exist on Windows.

SputnikGamer said,

I have Windows and OSX on my Macbook Pro. Use OSX for work and school related stuff and Windows from gaming. My degree is in Multimedia so I don't really have an option of using Windows for school stuff. We use a lot of Mac specific software that doesn't exist on Windows.


i use alot of windows only multimedia software which takes advantage of gpgpu acceleration or is multithreaded/etc. which doesn't work as well under osx due to limitations of the kernel.
i also run into a lot of mac users that are surprised or get angry that big name games aren't going to be native to osx at release or ever. it's also like $100+ for an OEM version of windows on top of the cost of a mac just to bootcamp for only games. which seems like a lot if you only play games say once a month for a couple hours.
i think it's great that valve is supporting osx, but i feel bad for anyone limited to a mac due to what their work or school uses, when imho the options on windows is much more open and reliable(not to mention more feature rich and powerful)

treemonster said,

i use alot of windows only multimedia software which takes advantage of gpgpu acceleration or is multithreaded/etc. which doesn't work as well under osx due to limitations of the kernel.
i also run into a lot of mac users that are surprised or get angry that big name games aren't going to be native to osx at release or ever. it's also like $100+ for an OEM version of windows on top of the cost of a mac just to bootcamp for only games. which seems like a lot if you only play games say once a month for a couple hours.
i think it's great that valve is supporting osx, but i feel bad for anyone limited to a mac due to what their work or school uses, when imho the options on windows is much more open and reliable(not to mention more feature rich and powerful)

I hardly feel limited by my choice of OS. It works how I want and need it to work. So, you can save your pity for someone else . I can definitely say that I would spend more time gaming if the games were actually on the platform. I don't like dealing with the annoyance of booting to Windows just to play a game for awhile.

NeoTrunks said,

I hardly feel limited by my choice of OS. It works how I want and need it to work. So, you can save your pity for someone else . I can definitely say that I would spend more time gaming if the games were actually on the platform. I don't like dealing with the annoyance of booting to Windows just to play a game for awhile.

the people moaning on every new game's forums every launch/beta for native osx support seem to disagree with your belief that you aren't limited by your platform. there are tonnes of people to use bootcamp or w/e to run windows based games on their macs. and game quite a bit. those are the people i feel bad for. they paid more on top of more just to spend most of their pc time gaming because they were under the impression that somehow macs are superior to windows pc's, when the platform is less supported in every genre of software.
i'm glad you like OSX and don't game much. but don't get the idea that you are the typical mac owning gamer.
mac owners are so starved for games that they buy and play pretty much every game that runs natively under OSX, or buy a copy of windows to bootcamp and play other games that don't run well otherwise.
and not all or even most of them have the excuse that they use their macs and osx only software for work/school.

treemonster said,

the people moaning on every new game's forums every launch/beta for native osx support seem to disagree with your belief that you aren't limited by your platform. there are tonnes of people to use bootcamp or w/e to run windows based games on their macs. and game quite a bit. those are the people i feel bad for. they paid more on top of more just to spend most of their pc time gaming because they were under the impression that somehow macs are superior to windows pc's, when the platform is less supported in every genre of software.
i'm glad you like OSX and don't game much. but don't get the idea that you are the typical mac owning gamer.
mac owners are so starved for games that they buy and play pretty much every game that runs natively under OSX, or buy a copy of windows to bootcamp and play other games that don't run well otherwise.
and not all or even most of them have the excuse that they use their macs and osx only software for work/school.

That's a very foolish thing to complain about. People should know what they are buying when they come around to buying it. To be honest, that's no different than someone buying a Playstation 3 and then complaining that not a single Gears of War game was released for it.

And just so you know, as it's pretty evident here, the people complaining are A LOT louder than those that are satisfied.

NeoTrunks said,

That's a very foolish thing to complain about. People should know what they are buying when they come around to buying it. To be honest, that's no different than someone buying a Playstation 3 and then complaining that not a single Gears of War game was released for it.

And just so you know, as it's pretty evident here, the people complaining are A LOT louder than those that are satisfied.


the typical mac user seems to be less informed than the typical ps3 user imho. that being said, ps3 had a terrible library for a long time and that's only starting to change, including typical ps exclusives not coming to ps3.
still the ps3 is a better deal if you buy it for use as an HTPC and less for games.
also apple doesn't advertise that there's not many games and even fewer AAA titles that run natively on mac. doing so would be incredibly contrary to their entire mac marketing scheme, which imho is what sells macs to the majority of those that buy them.
so it's no surprise that mac owners get surprised and and angry that most games are never going to run natively on OSX and campaign developers to support OSX in the future, especially when a few game devs such as blizzard, mythic and valve have ported certain games over to OSX over time.
while others put the time money and effort into using WINE or bootcamp. which bring us back to the original post in this thread.

treemonster said,

...also apple doesn't advertise that there's not many games ...

do you really expect them too? both mac and windows users can use virtual machines to run the software specific to the other os. the difference is though that a mac user can play windows games by installing windows with bootcamp. windows users cant use mac specific software unless they get a mac. seems like the mac user has more options, though with an obvious cost difference. you don't see mac advertising it can play windows games natively and you dont see windows advertising it cant use mac software at all. won't be good for business either way.

the typical mac user knows exactly why they bought a mac. its either because they like the os better or they need the software that only comes on a mac. the not so typical mac user is the spoiled kid whose parents bought them a mac because the kid thought they were being cool and a rebel by not conforming to windows like everyone else... if you live near a college, you are more than likely going to see more of the non typical mac users.

Edited by SputnikGamer, May 12 2010, 6:41pm :

johnnyq3 said,
Is it me or does it kind of look like the newer Zune Software for PC? At least with some things not moved around.

Just you, there are multiple view layout options for the Games Library section.

johnnyq3 said,
Is it me or does it kind of look like the newer Zune Software for PC? At least with some things not moved around.

Has a Zune esq look to it. For sure.

Alladaskill said,
Yeah, no download link on the site, only '.msi' installer. Help?

I'm working on the assumption that it's being released sometime today. It's not available to download just yet.

panacea said,
ha, now everyone will see just how underpowered the video cards are on imacs...

Really? I have an old MBP with a Geforce 8600M GT and plays almost anything on maximun on Windows (The only OS I have installed).

panacea said,
ha, now everyone will see just how underpowered the video cards are on imacs...

I love how some people think this is the first time Mac users are actually going to be playing games. The steam forums had a bunch of people saying how TF2 is going to get flooded with noobs. What they don't know is that we've been playing these games on our Macs for years using either Wine or Bootcamp. That, or some have a spare PC lying around.

sanctified said,

Really? I have an old MBP with a Geforce 8600M GT and plays almost anything on maximun on Windows (The only OS I have installed).

Rubbish, my brother has a 8600GT in his windows desktop and that can hardly play any game on max settings from the last 3 years. Even Mass Effect has to be run on medium settings.

Unless you're running everything at 800x600, that is.

Edited by Mark, May 12 2010, 8:19am :

panacea said,
ha, now everyone will see just how underpowered the video cards are on imacs...

You are so wrong it's funny.

My 21.5" iMac runs NVIDIA GeForce 9400M Graphics and games on my Windows side never have problems.

Don't you ever wonder why Macs are so expensive? Because they are the best!!!! Best hardware around!

njn007 said,

You are so wrong it's funny.

My 21.5" iMac runs NVIDIA GeForce 9400M Graphics and games on my Windows side never have problems.

Don't you ever wonder why Macs are so expensive? Because they are the best!!!! Best hardware around!

What the hell? I doubt you'll have problems with a 9400M but it's hardly "The best harware!"

Sure it's a solid low end contender as far as hardware goes but it's a poor chip to be doing any decent 3D gaming. Benchmarks prove that it only gets about 20fps at low to medium settings, on the newest games (and slightly older games) even at 1024x768!

Just because it's in a Mac, doesn't magically make it high end.

Edited by Mark, May 12 2010, 11:32am :

_DP said,

What the hell? I doubt you'll have problems with a 9400M but it's hardly "The best harware!"

Sure it's a solid low end contender as far as hardware goes but it's a poor chip to be doing any decent 3D gaming. Benchmarks prove that it only gets about 20fps at low to medium settings, on the newest games (and slightly older games) even at 1024x768!

Just because it's in a Mac, doesn't magically make it high end.

Quote fail since you couldn't spell hardware.

I don't consider NVIDIA GeForce to be low end. Please also remember that the new Macs have stunning graphics, especially since the resolution is @ 1920 x 1080, allowing for HD content.

I've done lots on my Mac and have never had a performance or virus problem. Most PC users can't say that even if they've only had their PCs for 5 months like me.

Besides, who'd want to change their graphics card when it's the best one you've ever used? If it ain't broke don't fix it!

But seriously, if you asked every Mac user on this site if they've had problems with their Mac, you might get a few, but not nearly as many as PC users. Every PC user I know has suffered from performance or virus problems.

You "get what you pay for" when it comes to PCs and Macs. I'm sure you know what I mean...

I like Macs, I've owned 3 macs and I know they're not perfect.

The bottom line is, they usually have the last gen of graphics as their offerings, new iMacs still including the 4850, something I've had in my current PC for 2 years and is in fact, a solid card, even now. I was obviously speaking of specifically the nVidia 9400m in my last post.

It's great if you're doing everything you need to do with your 9400m but it's an overstatement to call it the best hardware.

And for the record, I'm not suffering from virus or performance problems and I'll admit that my hardware is dated now.

I'll wait for some official benchmarks since I'll bet OGL will be a performance hit regardless. NJN, that is just petarded.

Edited by Dashel, May 12 2010, 1:25pm :

njn007 said,

I don't consider NVIDIA GeForce to be low end. Please also remember that the new Macs have stunning graphics, especially since the resolution is @ 1920 x 1080, allowing for HD content.

I've done lots on my Mac and have never had a performance or virus problem. Most PC users can't say that even if they've only had their PCs for 5 months like me.

Besides, who'd want to change their graphics card when it's the best one you've ever used? If it ain't broke don't fix it!

But seriously, if you asked every Mac user on this site if they've had problems with their Mac, you might get a few, but not nearly as many as PC users. Every PC user I know has suffered from performance or virus problems.

You "get what you pay for" when it comes to PCs and Macs. I'm sure you know what I mean...

Hahaha, the 9400M. That's almost as bad as having an IGP.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be over here with my Radeon HD 5850 laughing at your PC's pitiful performance levels.

njn007 said,

Quote fail since you couldn't spell hardware.

I don't consider NVIDIA GeForce to be low end. Please also remember that the new Macs have stunning graphics, especially since the resolution is @ 1920 x 1080, allowing for HD content.

I've done lots on my Mac and have never had a performance or virus problem. Most PC users can't say that even if they've only had their PCs for 5 months like me.

Besides, who'd want to change their graphics card when it's the best one you've ever used? If it ain't broke don't fix it!

But seriously, if you asked every Mac user on this site if they've had problems with their Mac, you might get a few, but not nearly as many as PC users. Every PC user I know has suffered from performance or virus problems.

You "get what you pay for" when it comes to PCs and Macs. I'm sure you know what I mean...


My PC is running fine. Nothing wrong with, if you're doing something that shouldn't be done then you're going to face the consequences.

_DP said,

Rubbish, my brother has a 8600GT in his windows desktop and that can hardly play any game on max settings from the last 3 years. Even Mass Effect has to be run on medium settings.

Unless you're running everything at 800x600, that is.

Games are only fun at the max settings............ Perhaps it is time to go outside and get some fresh air, if this is truly your opinion.

Petty jabs about my willingness to go out side add nothing to this conversation. We're both sat on a computer either way ;P

At the end of the day, there IS an element to making games more fun if you get smooth framerates rather than a slideshow, if you can shoot something in the distance that is still crisp to sight rather than a couple of blocky pixels at low resolution or if you can actually see the playing field on your favorite rts game rather than having the UI cover the whole thing up at 640x480.

LOLZ@ 9400m or 8600 as high end hardware.

nvidia geforce cards come in a wide variety of flavours from high end to low end. they also typically cost more for mac versions(a cdn online vendor sells a 275 mac edition for $600 cdn, ~$100 more than a brand new GTX 480)

also LOL@you get what you pay for. with PCs you get far more for less simply by putting it together yourself. even with prebuilts you tend to get more for less vs macs. although serious gamers tend to build their own, even for mid range rigs.

in any case, all of valve's source engine games will run great on older mid range hardware which macs typically have. so for the purposes of this topic, it's a non issue.- just don't kid yourself that you have high end hardware than can run any/every game made in the last 2 years at max settings with a 8600 or 9400. it wasn't possible when those cards were brand new. it's not possible now. even though games have not increased much in hardware demands in that time.

now if you said you had a 8800 or 9800 and said you ran all/most games on high it would be believable.

Athernar said,

Hahaha, the 9400M. That's almost as bad as having an IGP.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be over here with my Radeon HD 5850 laughing at your PC's pitiful performance levels.

You're very smart for laughing at my PC's pitiful performance levels. Next time read how I'm so not on a PC.

njn007 said,

You're very smart for laughing at my PC's pitiful performance levels. Next time read how I'm so not on a PC.


newsflash: macs are PCs too.

njn007 said,

You're very smart for laughing at my PC's pitiful performance levels. Next time read how I'm so not on a PC.

It's a computer and it's yours. It's a Personal Computer.

_DP said,
Petty jabs about my willingness to go out side add nothing to this conversation. We're both sat on a computer either way ;P

At the end of the day, there IS an element to making games more fun if you get smooth framerates rather than a slideshow, if you can shoot something in the distance that is still crisp to sight rather than a couple of blocky pixels at low resolution or if you can actually see the playing field on your favorite rts game rather than having the UI cover the whole thing up at 640x480.

You are making petty jabs at a platform that is not known for gaming. Anyone buying a Mac for gaming is waisting their money. However, having the option of playing some more mainstream games on my MacBook Pro when I'm travel is a very welcome addition to the platform. The performance you get for the hardware you have is going to be about the same regardless. Pointing out that some Macs ship with low-end graphic cards is about as productive as pointing out that some PCs ship with low-end graphic cards and "adds nothing to the conversation".

Shadrack said,

You are making petty jabs at a platform that is not known for gaming. Anyone buying a Mac for gaming is waisting their money. However, having the option of playing some more mainstream games on my MacBook Pro when I'm travel is a very welcome addition to the platform. The performance you get for the hardware you have is going to be about the same regardless. Pointing out that some Macs ship with low-end graphic cards is about as productive as pointing out that some PCs ship with low-end graphic cards and "adds nothing to the conversation".

Some people see negativity even in the most positive of Apple news.

njn007 said,

Quote fail since you couldn't spell hardware.

I don't consider NVIDIA GeForce to be low end. Please also remember that the new Macs have stunning graphics, especially since the resolution is @ 1920 x 1080, allowing for HD content.

I've done lots on my Mac and have never had a performance or virus problem. Most PC users can't say that even if they've only had their PCs for 5 months like me.

Besides, who'd want to change their graphics card when it's the best one you've ever used? If it ain't broke don't fix it!

But seriously, if you asked every Mac user on this site if they've had problems with their Mac, you might get a few, but not nearly as many as PC users. Every PC user I know has suffered from performance or virus problems.

You "get what you pay for" when it comes to PCs and Macs. I'm sure you know what I mean...

err. win 7. custom pc, and I've never had a virus or performance problem since iv had win 7!
HOLY CRAP! HOW? its simple. rarely torrent, don't click on links willy-nilly, and I never ignore a warning. (to sum it up, I'm not dumb). thank god that macs are there for the ones who can't grasp them 3 rules!

LOL. just joshing you guys, i know you creative lot have a need for them but when it comes to gaming the PC is where its at with the high end cards such as GTX 200 series, or for Top End, the GTX 400 series. you can get a GTX 285 for mac, but your paying for over kill if your just a general gamer. I have a GTX 260 and I can run all my games on max... and is only $219 un like the GTX 285 for mac for $449. but if you a pro gamer, go nuts with the 285, but if you have a mac, no 400 series for you!

ooo. as for the ones who buy a mac for just twitter, face book and general web surfing, come on, really? you need a $999/£816 laptop? REALLY? :Z un less you do fall into the category of "the ones who can't grasp them 3 rules!" you don't need it.

Shadrack, I'm displaying my contrary view to a persons belief that no matter what, Macs contain superior hardware, even if in the grand scheme of things, that hardware is not at the top end.

You know, an opinion, which is what discussions like this are all about.

An opinion backed by facts, I don't think I even need to link to benchmarks because it's comonly known that the nVidia 9400m is and never has been a gaming chip.

Now, I did also point out that higher end iMacs do come with decent chips, still not the best but good enough.

I also mentioned that if those chips work for you, that's great, the 4850 works great for me now too.

There are already many games on steam that do not require amazing graphics power that are really fun. That isn't the topic here, it's geared towards the capability of the heavy 3D games.

To the most part, most macs do not have particularly great graphics.

You're in luck with a higher end Macbook Pro, iMac or a Mac Pro. The first two offerings are still a gen behind for graphics and new games keep coming out and Apple take their time to do refreshes for their products.

Ad Man Gamer said,

LOL. just joshing you guys, i know you creative lot have a need for them

Another misnomer about Macs, as it's been shown many times that the Mac versions of the Adobe suite (PhotoShop, Illustrator, Premiere, etc...) run significantly slower on OSX than on Windows on the same hardware. The only reason I can come up with that someone would actually NEED to have a Mac is for iPhone/iPad development and Final Cut Pro.

JonathanMarston said,

Another misnomer about Macs, as it's been shown many times that the Mac versions of the Adobe suite (PhotoShop, Illustrator, Premiere, etc...) run significantly slower on OSX than on Windows on the same hardware. The only reason I can come up with that someone would actually NEED to have a Mac is for iPhone/iPad development and Final Cut Pro.

Hahahahahaha

Wow you are wrong in many ways. Adobe CS5 is lighting fast and is DEVELOPED FOR MACS, hence the 64bit native applications. Most PC users don't have 64bit PCs, where 100% of Macs made today are.

Get your facts right before you make big statements.

I run more programs on my Mac because it's got a 500GB HDD and runs CS5 better than any PC and has Final Cut Studio (yes, the 45GB version), and other fantastic, Mac-only programs.

Trust me, I've got CS5 on my Mac and PC although it's already off my PC for slowness

Edited by njn007, May 12 2010, 6:58pm :

People, there's absolutely no reason to turn this into yet another PC vs Mac war. This is about Steam being released for Macs. Go and wave your e-penises elsewhere.

Ad Man Gamer said,

err. win 7. custom pc, and I've never had a virus or performance problem since iv had win 7!
HOLY CRAP! HOW? its simple. rarely torrent, don't click on links willy-nilly, and I never ignore a warning. (to sum it up, I'm not dumb). thank god that macs are there for the ones who can't grasp them 3 rules!

LOL. just joshing you guys, i know you creative lot have a need for them but when it comes to gaming the PC is where its at with the high end cards such as GTX 200 series, or for Top End, the GTX 400 series. you can get a GTX 285 for mac, but your paying for over kill if your just a general gamer. I have a GTX 260 and I can run all my games on max... and is only $219 un like the GTX 285 for mac for $449. but if you a pro gamer, go nuts with the 285, but if you have a mac, no 400 series for you!

ooo. as for the ones who buy a mac for just twitter, face book and general web surfing, come on, really? you need a $999/£816 laptop? REALLY? :Z un less you do fall into the category of "the ones who can't grasp them 3 rules!" you don't need it.

We have many creative needs, including 64bit CS5 and the amazing Final Cut Studio. I am an IT pro and know your "3 rules". I also know that Anti-Virus software doesn't make your PC 100% bulletproof, or in some cases, can damage your PC (McAfee).

We Mac users have peace of mind knowing AV software isn't needed and that our Video and other Professional uses are best done on a Mac. Sorry, but Apple ain't bringing Final Cut to a PC ever because they know that it would be...slow!

I paid more than $2000 for my Mac and feel it was worth every penny. Sadly, I can't say that for any PC in my household. Not with the douches at McAfee (switched to Norton) and the whole HDD size (all of my PCs are less than 250GB) along with them all being 32bit (something overlooked by the average consumer).

treemonster said,

newsflash: macs are PCs too.

GreyWolf said,

It's a computer and it's yours. It's a Personal Computer.

Ever seen the "I'm a PC. I'm a Mac" commercials? Or the Windows 7 "I'm a PC" commercials?

They are both "Personal Computers" but they shall never be classified as the same thing because they by no means are the same thing.

_DP said,
Shadrack, I'm displaying my contrary view to a persons belief that no matter what, Macs contain superior hardware, even if in the grand scheme of things, that hardware is not at the top end.

Well, I think that the specs should speak for themselves. Other aspects of a computer that you buy may not be as easily comparable in the specs. A big reason why I went with a MBP was that I'm in Windows all day every day for work and just need a break from it. Was using Linux at home for awhile on an Samsung NC-10 and decided to splurge a little on something fancier.


You know, an opinion, which is what discussions like this are all about.

You are going to have to come to grips with the fact that people have opinions contrary to your own. The typical forum response to a dismissive comment is "I'm entitled to my opinion." Yes you are, and so am I.


An opinion backed by facts, I don't think I even need to link to benchmarks because it's comonly known that the nVidia 9400m is and never has been a gaming chip.

Right, it was designed for maximum battery life with good-enough desktop application performance. That being said I find the small set of games that I actually play on the 9400M to amuse me sufficiently for the off-chance I feel like playing a game. I don't think I would ever buy a Windows based laptop for gaming, and the same applies to Apple laptops.


Now, I did also point out that higher end iMacs do come with decent chips, still not the best but good enough.

Specs are available and open to all to look at and take into account when they make a purchase. Having the best-of-the-best video card isn't important to everyone. I would say that it isn't important to the vast majority of users.


I also mentioned that if those chips work for you, that's great, the 4850 works great for me now too.

There are already many games on steam that do not require amazing graphics power that are really fun. That isn't the topic here, it's geared towards the capability of the heavy 3D games.

No, the topic is "Steam for Mac Launches Today" as in more games will be available for Mac. If you don't own a Mac this doesn't effect you. Although, I have noticed that non-Apple users have a lot more emotional attachment to Apple related news more than Apple users seem to. Not sure what the "chip on the shoulder" is about.


To the most part, most macs do not have particularly great graphics.

You're in luck with a higher end Macbook Pro, iMac or a Mac Pro. The first two offerings are still a gen behind for graphics and new games keep coming out and Apple take their time to do refreshes for their products.

Higher end graphics haven't been something to help sell Macs in the past. Battery life (in regards to laptops) has. Maybe with Steam now on Mac more developers will work on the Mac market for gaming and as a result of that Apple will be more competitive with their graphic card offerings.

"ha, now everyone will see just how underpowered the video cards are on imacs..."

The topic of the discussion in which we're partaking.

And to be honest shadrack, I think we agree on most of the points both of us are talking about, I just feel you're taking some of my comments out of context and turning them around back at me. Not quite sure why but oh well, that's the internet I suppose.

njn007 said,
Ever seen the "I'm a PC. I'm a Mac" commercials? Or the Windows 7 "I'm a PC" commercials?

They are both "Personal Computers" but they shall never be classified as the same thing because they by no means are the same thing.

Oh but they are, Apple products use the same type of CPU, RAM, Motherboard and GPU that every other PC uses.

Except where any gamer worth his salt would be using a custom built machine, with premium-grade hardware, an Apple machine uses cheap generic trash in a flashy case.

P.s. It's funny to see on the Steam forums people complaining about getting poor FPS on a 9400M-based laptop in Portal.

Have been waiting for the Client to go LIVE so I can get a buddy to download it on his Macbook Pro.

Good job Valve . Funny how people say Valve is lazy for not expanding to PS3.. yet they expanded to MAC, and as all of you may know, MAC isnt for gaming / people dont prefer it. But yet a company like Valve is gonna support MAC over PS3..

Kind of makes you think. But overall I love Valve, CSS Beta, This, whats next?

Sikh said,
Have been waiting for the Client to go LIVE so I can get a buddy to download it on his Macbook Pro.

Good job Valve . Funny how people say Valve is lazy for not expanding to PS3.. yet they expanded to MAC, and as all of you may know, MAC isnt for gaming / people dont prefer it. But yet a company like Valve is gonna support MAC over PS3..

Kind of makes you think. But overall I love Valve, CSS Beta, This, whats next?

Hopefully Linux and PS3 support now that the engine is ported to OpenGL.

SoapyHamHocks said,

Hopefully Linux and PS3 support now that the engine is ported to OpenGL.

My point was, after the orange box release for 360 and ps3, valve went so far to say that the ps3 is a pain in the ass to code for and not worth the time. Look at the portal 2 interview.

So, after saying this, the fact that they worked so hard at a MAC client / version of EVERY GAME THEY MAKE, is funny.

The fact that they worked harder to make it Available on MAC, as far as OS X goes, is awesome but shows how much valve would rather support MAC over PS3.. See the point? OS X, the unexpected OS for gaming, is now gaining a very big library of PC Games, i say this because TONS OF PEOPLE play CSS, TF2, L4D1/2, etc. Be it wine/crossover/bootcamp, the fact is, they worked hard to make it native, then giving the PS3 another chance.

Hopefully this shows sony to go back to the ps2 days.

Overall i see Linux support coming before PS3 support.

Sikh said,

My point was, after the orange box release for 360 and ps3, valve went so far to say that the ps3 is a pain in the ass to code for and not worth the time. Look at the portal 2 interview.

So, after saying this, the fact that they worked so hard at a MAC client / version of EVERY GAME THEY MAKE, is funny.

The fact that they worked harder to make it Available on MAC, as far as OS X goes, is awesome but shows how much valve would rather support MAC over PS3.. See the point? OS X, the unexpected OS for gaming, is now gaining a very big library of PC Games, i say this because TONS OF PEOPLE play CSS, TF2, L4D1/2, etc. Be it wine/crossover/bootcamp, the fact is, they worked hard to make it native, then giving the PS3 another chance.

Hopefully this shows sony to go back to the ps2 days.

Overall i see Linux support coming before PS3 support.

Bear in mind that once the engine is ported that most of the work is done, so converting the games is a doddle.

Perhaps Valve see a potential growth and a chance to come into a market with little to no competition.

Sikh said,

My point was, after the orange box release for 360 and ps3, valve went so far to say that the ps3 is a pain in the ass to code for and not worth the time. Look at the portal 2 interview.

So, after saying this, the fact that they worked so hard at a MAC client / version of EVERY GAME THEY MAKE, is funny.

The fact that they worked harder to make it Available on MAC, as far as OS X goes, is awesome but shows how much valve would rather support MAC over PS3.. See the point? OS X, the unexpected OS for gaming, is now gaining a very big library of PC Games, i say this because TONS OF PEOPLE play CSS, TF2, L4D1/2, etc. Be it wine/crossover/bootcamp, the fact is, they worked hard to make it native, then giving the PS3 another chance.

Hopefully this shows sony to go back to the ps2 days.

Overall i see Linux support coming before PS3 support.

It's not just valve sick of coding for the system... they aren't the first ones to be sick of the stupidly complex coding process to produce similar results to what a traditional PC is capable of.

Heh, I ended up being awake at just-gone midnight, so I had a look to see if it was available. Then I did the same thing when I woke up. I can't help it, I'm really looking forward to the possibility of L4D2 on my mac. I just hope it's one of the launch titles...