Windows 8 business tablet coming from HP

On Wednesday, HP CEO Meg Whitman said that it expects that the company will release its first x86 processor-based PCs with Windows 8 installed sometime before the end of 2012. Today, Whitman gave out a little more information about HP's Windows 8 plans.

The AFP news service (via Yahoo) reports that during a gathering of Silicon Valley-based entrepreneurs and executives, Whitman confirmed that HP would release a Windows 8-based tablet designed for the business market. According to Whitman, the tablet would be created with stronger security features than the normal tablet, such as the iPad, that is made mostly for consumers.

Whitman said, "There is a big trend to BYOD to work; which is all well and good until there is a security breach. We are going to provide an alternative."

Of course, HP tried to launch its own consumer tablet, the TouchPad, to compete with Apple's iPad in 2011. It was a massive failure and HP killed the TouchPad less than two months after it went on sale. Whitman, who started at CEO of HP after the TouchPad shut down, admitted today that HP's first attempt at a tablet device did not have "a happy ending."

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Lets have a poll at neowin to see who is interested in the Tablet fad
Jeez you'd think by all the chatter they have almost completly replaced
Cell phones, PMP's, eBook Readers, laptops or desktops etc etc
This cash cow isn't gonna pan out like MS thinks, and i'll be laughing
when metro and the touch screen crap is re removed for windows 9
Remember XP Tablet ed. ?
If what their doing is damn smart then why didn't they starting merging this
moronic crap 3 operating systems ago ?

Never had a tablet and will never buy one either period
But i look forward to finding out what microsoft tells me i like on win8
Why listen to you paying customers when you can tell them etc..
Should be able to go into a store, any store and just find someone that works there
and say get me something i like..

I am Not PCyr said,
Remember XP Tablet ed. ?

Yes and i still use my fujitsu stylistic daily. Do you remember vista? It had ALL the features of XP Tablet PC edition baked into all SKUs. Windows 7 too. Also using my touchsmart tm2 daily.

I am Not PCyr said,
If what their doing is damn smart then why didn't they starting merging this
moronic crap 3 operating systems ago ?

They did when they created Windows Media Center. The lessons learned from the 10' experience let them to Metro.

I am Not PCyr said,
Remember XP Tablet ed. ?

Yes and i still use my fujitsu stylistic daily. Do you remember vista? It had ALL the features of XP Tablet PC edition baked into all SKUs. Windows 7 too. Also using my touchsmart tm2 daily.

I am Not PCyr said,
If what their doing is damn smart then why didn't they starting merging this
moronic crap 3 operating systems ago ?

They did when they created Windows Media Center. The lessons learned from the 10' experience led them to Metro.

I am Not PCyr said,
Lets have a poll at neowin to see who is interested in the Tablet fad
Jeez you'd think by all the chatter they have almost completly replaced
Cell phones, PMP's, eBook Readers, laptops or desktops etc etc
This cash cow isn't gonna pan out like MS thinks, and i'll be laughing
when metro and the touch screen crap is re removed for windows 9
Remember XP Tablet ed. ?
If what their doing is damn smart then why didn't they starting merging this
moronic crap 3 operating systems ago ?

Never had a tablet and will never buy one either period
But i look forward to finding out what microsoft tells me i like on win8
Why listen to you paying customers when you can tell them etc..
Should be able to go into a store, any store and just find someone that works there
and say get me something i like..


It's kind of sad how little you know.

Tablet Ed. is baked into every edition of Vista and 7 and now 8.

techguy77 said,
Who uses tablets anyway?

I do,

Most nights in bed before I turn out the light. When at work I am a car passenger for some extended periods, I use it then to keep up with whats happening and to keep up to date with email. I take it to cafes to read the news. Hardly a day goes by when I don't use my trusty tablet.

I always take my tablet travelling and I have never thought it was not enough, no lap top required.

Last time I traveled OS I left my old tablet with my mother. She had a computer but never used it, it was too scary for her, she uses the tablet every day to message with me and her friends. It is great to chat and email and to send her pics.

Theres really no reason not to have both..theres no universal law that says a UI cant cater to finger based touch input but also cant accommodate a stylus for note taking or graphical work...

to be honest HP needs to work on providing a tablet pc thats light weight, and gets all day battery life and runs windows...add your security features on after you get that right.

Osiris said,
universal law that says a UI cant cater to finger based touch input but also cant accommodate a stylus for note taking or graphical work....

Yet a great percentage of neowinians will argue that there is a universal law saying that a UI which caters to touch won't work for keyboard/mouse.

Any new tablet devices coming out need to have a stylus if it wants to gain my interest. One of the primary reasons for even having a tablet is to take notes. Right now, I'm using a Lenovo x220 tablet and it's great. Take that product as a starting point and tailor it to Windows 8 and you'll have a winner.

srprimeaux said,
Any new tablet devices coming out need to have a stylus if it wants to gain my interest. One of the primary reasons for even having a tablet is to take notes. Right now, I'm using a Lenovo x220 tablet and it's great. Take that product as a starting point and tailor it to Windows 8 and you'll have a winner.

Agreed.... I love the X series tablets, best of both worlds imho...

srprimeaux said,
Any new tablet devices coming out need to have a stylus if it wants to gain my interest. One of the primary reasons for even having a tablet is to take notes. Right now, I'm using a Lenovo x220 tablet and it's great. Take that product as a starting point and tailor it to Windows 8 and you'll have a winner.

At Stylus? That is so old fashioned. Enjoy.

derekaw said,

At Stylus? That is so old fashioned. Enjoy.

Until something else comes along, it'll have to do. Writing with your finger isn't intuitive.

derekaw said,

At Stylus? That is so old fashioned. Enjoy.

Stylus for math with good recognition to format equations would be nice. Also, if they ever got pressure sensitive screens (I know MS was on to that before Apple consumerized the tablet market), it would be great for Photoshop. I say keep the general UI touch based, but have stylus compatibility where it's beneficial.

Enron said,

...

The screen doesn't necessarily need to be pressure sensitive.

My existing HP Touchsmart tm2 running windows 7 has a stylus capable of different pressure.

dotf said,

The screen doesn't necessarily need to be pressure sensitive.

My existing HP Touchsmart tm2 running windows 7 has a stylus capable of different pressure.

Oh that's true, it could work the other way around. Good to know.

Even though HP has proven to be totally incompetent in the software department over the years, and are the #1 crapware provider in the world, the hardware is actually great bang for the buck. If they could simply learn the obvious, which is that customer service from someone you can understand actually matters, they could really do something here.

jimmyfal said,
Even though HP has proven to be totally incompetent in the software department over the years, and are the #1 crapware provider in the world, the hardware is actually great bang for the buck. If they could simply learn the obvious, which is that customer service from someone you can understand actually matters, they could really do something here.

I agree. First thing I did when I bought my Envy laptop is uninstall a bunch of crap. After that, I love the device.

The 86 tablets will have a fan right? Battery life? Weight? When you need to use the classic desktop without a keyboard and mouse will the interface offer anything different from Win 7 on a tablet today?

derekaw said,
The 86 tablets will have a fan right? Battery life? Weight? When you need to use the classic desktop without a keyboard and mouse will the interface offer anything different from Win 7 on a tablet today?

With the newest AMD APU, they could actually come without fan. The current C-50/C-60 based tablets do have fans but they very rarely spin. Both have a 9W TDP. The newer AMD APU will have the same performance and GPU but operate closer to 4.5W ~ 5W, which could mean no fan hopefully.

It seems to me Windows 8 x86 tablet can come in 3 different forms:

1. No keyboard (use external keyboard/mouse as required)
2. Keyboard like the Levono Ideapad Yoga
3. A screen that swivel like the "traditional" tablets to cover the keyboard

I personally like options 1 and 3.

I saw a #3 today and I criticized it in front of the owner for being so bulky and told him he should look in to the Yoga. The Yoga doesn't have any Cons in my book with the keyboard facing the bottom surface since the keyboard has a recessed area and even if the keys are touched; the keyboard or trackpad won't respond because they are disabled.


KevinN206 said,
It seems to me Windows 8 x86 tablet can come in 3 different forms:

1. No keyboard (use external keyboard/mouse as required)
2. Keyboard like the Levono Ideapad Yoga
3. A screen that swivel like the "traditional" tablets to cover the keyboard

I personally like options 1 and 3.

If they produce some decent spec'd tablet laptops in the 13" range without getting too overpriced, I'd consider it. But, getting it's just better to get a Transformer Prime for much cheaper and try to install Win8 on there (thank you MS for ARM support). Should suffice for pretty much all the on-the-go needs.

BetaAddict said,
If they produce some decent spec'd tablet laptops in the 13" range without getting too overpriced, I'd consider it.
The Samsung Series 7 Slate - almost exactly the same as the developer machines from BUILD - currently costs about 1300€ here with UMTS…

KevinN206 said,
It seems to me Windows 8 x86 tablet can come in 3 different forms:

1. No keyboard (use external keyboard/mouse as required)
2. Keyboard like the Levono Ideapad Yoga
3. A screen that swivel like the "traditional" tablets to cover the keyboard

I personally like options 1 and 3.

Form factors 1 and 3 were given names in the windows xp tablet pc edition era.
They are Slate and Convertible.

Lenovo looks cool, although I'm not sure if the industry has named the design yet.

Well all I can say if it doesn't have what the Levono Ideapad Yoga has to offer then it isn't worth buying.

The Yoga is the ideal tablet in the upcoming Windows 8 OS Launch. Also some might complain about the keyboard being seen and prone to damage, but I've already taken a look at it in Las Vega and did a finger push and flick test on one of the keys and there's no way those keys are likely to be damaged. They also have a double coat of paint on the keys to protect the longevity of the surface and prolong its wear.

H-P had better d______ well provide drivers for the hardware beyond Windows-8. Forcing people to buy new hardware with each new Operating System is ridiculous.

Whitman said, "There is a big trend to BYOD to work; which is all well and good until there is a security breach. We are going to provide an alternative."

Provide a 30 day trial of Norton Internet Security? lol

Mouettus said,
Whitman said, "There is a big trend to BYOD to work; which is all well and good until there is a security breach. We are going to provide an alternative."

Provide a 30 day trial of Norton Internet Security? lol


Corporate networks are a lot more complex than just installing antivirus/firewall and calling it a day.

BetaAddict said,

Corporate networks are a lot more complex than just installing antivirus/firewall and calling it a day.

Right, system center suite combined with forefront and the features of Windows Server 2008R2. System Center 2012 already has rudimentary provisions for using your own devices.

This will just make it better.

iguanas said,
until then... Ipad3 for me.

I agree, I don't even know what the iPad 3 is going to be but at least Apple had the good sense to have a dedicated mobile OS.

UndergroundWire said,

I agree, I don't even know what the iPad 3 is going to be but at least Apple had the good sense to have a dedicated mobile OS.

Yeah, why would we want a windows 8 tablet which can be used for both entertainment and productivity when we can have and ipad (for entertainment) AND a laptop (for productivity) for twice the price, and twice the weight to carry always with us?

why would we want to buy an app only once on the windows store (and use it on tablet and desktop computer) when we can buy two apps (on ipad and osx or windows) for twice the price?

What's the point of tablets with docking mouse/keyboarda and stylus when we can type all day long on an on-screen keyboard and draw schemas with our fingers?

Unifying desktop and tablet OS on a device that is basically a computer is a such a bad idea, that's sure!

A dedicated OS based on smartphone design is so much more powerful!
/s

link8506 said,

Yeah, why would we want a windows 8 tablet which can be used for both entertainment and productivity when we can have and ipad (for entertainment) AND a laptop (for productivity) for twice the price, and twice the weight to carry always with us?

why would we want to buy an app only once on the windows store (and use it on tablet and desktop computer) when we can buy two apps (on ipad and osx or windows) for twice the price?

What's the point of tablets with docking mouse/keyboarda and stylus when we can type all day long on an on-screen keyboard and draw schemas with our fingers?

Unifying desktop and tablet OS on a device that is basically a computer is a such a bad idea, that's sure!

A dedicated OS based on smartphone design is so much more powerful!
/s

The hell's the matter with you guys?! I'm off to play my ATARI 2600.

link8506 said,

Yeah, why would we want a windows 8 tablet which can be used for both entertainment and productivity when we can have and ipad (for entertainment) AND a laptop (for productivity) for twice the price, and twice the weight to carry always with us?

why would we want to buy an app only once on the windows store (and use it on tablet and desktop computer) when we can buy two apps (on ipad and osx or windows) for twice the price?

What's the point of tablets with docking mouse/keyboarda and stylus when we can type all day long on an on-screen keyboard and draw schemas with our fingers?

Unifying desktop and tablet OS on a device that is basically a computer is a such a bad idea, that's sure!

A dedicated OS based on smartphone design is so much more powerful!
/s


Lol, I hope you don't have that high expectations in terms of computing power, 'cause otherwise you super-duper-desktop-class-tablet will have a battery life of 2 hours, weight more than 2 kgs, have a loud - constantly running - fan,…

link8506 said,

Yeah, why would we want a windows 8 tablet which can be used for both entertainment and productivity when we can have and ipad (for entertainment) AND a laptop (for productivity) for twice the price, and twice the weight to carry always with us?

why would we want to buy an app only once on the windows store (and use it on tablet and desktop computer) when we can buy two apps (on ipad and osx or windows) for twice the price?

What's the point of tablets with docking mouse/keyboarda and stylus when we can type all day long on an on-screen keyboard and draw schemas with our fingers?

Unifying desktop and tablet OS on a device that is basically a computer is a such a bad idea, that's sure!

A dedicated OS based on smartphone design is so much more powerful!
/s

I don't need it. Don't be so defensive now. I have a Windows Laptop and two desktops. Jesus Christ. For what I want a tablet for, Windows will not meet my needs. The iPad right now dominates. I don't plan on doing Office type stuff on it. IT IS A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. I think someone should remind you what that means. So I ask you, do I need a Windows Tablet based on what I have already? NO! I want a device purely for media consumptions.

Sorry you were offended by my post.

MFH said,

Lol, I hope you don't have that high expectations in terms of computing power, 'cause otherwise you super-duper-desktop-class-tablet will have a battery life of 2 hours, weight more than 2 kgs, have a loud - constantly running - fan,…

I have an iconia tab w500 running Windows 8 DP.

Guess what? I get more than 6h of autonomy, the fan never spins (except if I do things like video encoding, and considering that an amd apu is much faster than any arm device, I think it's acceptable. And even then, I can hardly hear it). And it weights only 0.9kg.

Oh yeah, and I can read amy web content, including flash content. And it runs very smoothly. Can also read memory cards content, plug a digital camera, usb drive, and do everything that I can expect a 499$ tablet to do.

6hours of autonomy is good enough, but intel and amd said by the time win8 will be available, newer x86 cpus will last 8h-10h, or more depending on battery size.

UndergroundWire said,

I don't need it. Don't be so defensive now. I have a Windows Laptop and two desktops. Jesus Christ. For what I want a tablet for, Windows will not meet my needs. The iPad right now dominates. I don't plan on doing Office type stuff on it. IT IS A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. I think someone should remind you what that means. So I ask you, do I need a Windows Tablet based on what I have already? NO! I want a device purely for media consumptions.

Sorry you were offended by my post.


Consumerism at its worst!
So you have a device for each use case instead of having a device that covers every one of them?

When you go on holiday, you have to carry both your tablet and your laptop if you want to be able to copy pictures from your digital camera, or browse any web site.
And I'm not even talking about the ecology nightmare it is to produce so many useless devices that are unable to replace existing devices like laptops. That adds even more pollution and wastes when the device is discarded.

I think the future is about convertible laptops, or tablets with keyboard dock. This kind of device will replace laptops and traditional tablets like the ipad. You won't need to own 2 devices anymore when 1 device is perfectly enough.

MFH said,

Lol, I hope you don't have that high expectations in terms of computing power, 'cause otherwise you super-duper-desktop-class-tablet will have a battery life of 2 hours, weight more than 2 kgs, have a loud - constantly running - fan,…
Yep, but at least it would be able to actually do something.

Anyway, I don't think you should be comparing the current generation of Windows tablets (and software) to what is coming. Your point is the reason why they are doing what they are with Windows 8.

UndergroundWire said,
I don't plan on doing Office type stuff on it. IT IS A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. I think someone should remind you what that means. So I ask you, do I need a Windows Tablet based on what I have already? NO! I want a device purely for media consumptions.
That's right, the iPad is a MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. So then why would you be making such a comment on an article about tablets for BUSINESS USE?

If you're agreeing that it's not the same thing, meaning it's not actually an alternative, then your first comment was completely pointless and irrelevant.

Edited by mikeyx12, Feb 24 2012, 1:56pm :

UndergroundWire said,

I agree, I don't even know what the iPad 3 is going to be but at least Apple had the good sense to have a dedicated mobile OS.

LOL

mikeyx12 said,
Anyway, I don't think you should be comparing the current generation of Windows tablets (and software) to what is coming. Your point is the reason why they are doing what they are with Windows 8.

1. I'm not comparing them.
2. Windows 8 is a testament that Microsoft wants to compete with Apple in the consumer market not the professional one.
3. Tablets will never replace PCs if it's about "real work", read "work that requires big amounts of (graphics) processing power". That's what I was talking about. Just because link8506 doesn't have high demands and therefor deems tablets as a replacement for traditional PCs it doesn't mean that one has to agree with him… The tablet that would fulfill my needs would be big, heavy and would have a low battery life, that's just a matter of fact that results from the requirements I have…

link8506 said,
I think the future is about convertible laptops, or tablets with keyboard dock.

And with Mobile networking stack coming to windows proper, just add a bluedouche headset and I'm all in!

MFH said,
… 3. Tablets will never replace PCs if it's about "real work", read "work that requires big amounts of (graphics) processing power".

And Bill Gates said 640k outta be enough for any developer.

Your use of the word NEVER invalidates your statement.
Not in this business cycle, or within the next decade may have been a better choice of words.

UndergroundWire said,

IT IS A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. I think someone should remind you what that means.

iPad is a consumpution device AND a creation device if you get the right apps. There is already Office-like apps from DataViz and others to start. There are many more apps that let you create content like a laptop or desktop. You may want to get into the 21st century and look at all the things you can do with iPad before arguing on a point that was true in 2010 but no longer true in 2012.

MFH said,

1. I'm not comparing them.
Oh? Then what super-duper-desktop-class-tablet that lasts for 2 hours, weighs over 2kg and has a noisy fan and that was built for Windows 8 are you talking about then? As Windows 8 tablets aren't available yet, your comment can only be based upon previous or current generation products, which means you are comparing them. Just in case you misread, link8506 clearly said "windows 8 tablet".
MFH said,

2. Windows 8 is a testament that Microsoft wants to compete with Apple in the consumer market not the professional one.
...and? lol. They want to compete in both. (link8506: "used for both entertainment and productivity".
MFH said,

3. Tablets will never replace PCs if it's about "real work", read "work that requires big amounts of (graphics) processing power".
Honestly, where are you pulling these points out of? Of course they won't replace PCs, who said otherwise?

There are many people who would happily get rid of their laptop if their tablet could do all the same things that they use it for. Currently, the iPad and other tablets are lacking the features that many people need. Windows 8 is designed to change this. Many more people will most likely keep their laptop at home and only take their tablet to work.

NeoPogo said,

iPad is a consumpution device AND a creation device if you get the right apps. There is already Office-like apps from DataViz and others to start. There are many more apps that let you create content like a laptop or desktop. You may want to get into the 21st century and look at all the things you can do with iPad before arguing on a point that was true in 2010 but no longer true in 2012.

I was basically copying and pasting what UndergroundWire said. I have an iPad. You may want to read all comments before you reply to a single one. Context is a wonderful thing.

mikeyx12 said,
I was basically copying and pasting what UndergroundWire said. I have an iPad. You may want to read all comments before you reply to a single one. Context is a wonderful thing.

I was replying to UndergroundWire not you, thus UndergroundWire's quote above my answer...
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UndergroundWire said,

IT IS A MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. I think someone should remind you what that means.

iPad is a ....

MFH said,

Lol, I hope you don't have that high expectations in terms of computing power, 'cause otherwise you super-duper-desktop-class-tablet will have a battery life of 2 hours, weight more than 2 kgs, have a loud - constantly running - fan,…

I have a Samsung Series 7 Slate running 2 monitors + its own monitor docked at work and at home running SQL Server + Management Studio, Visual Studio, Office, Skype, IE Instances, Chrome Instances, Firefox Instances all at the same time. Completely mobile and i get plenty of hours of usability running all of those on the fly as long as I'm not running all of my software.

You have no idea what you're talking about

NeoPogo said,

iPad is a consumpution device AND a creation device if you get the right apps. There is already Office-like apps from DataViz and others to start. There are many more apps that let you create content like a laptop or desktop. You may want to get into the 21st century and look at all the things you can do with iPad before arguing on a point that was true in 2010 but no longer true in 2012.


I love watching people use an iPad as a creation device. It's like watching someone eat with chop sticks. Even people really good at it still have to work way too hard to get something done.

If you want to "work" pull out a laptop, if you want to consume information and do quick on-the-go tasks, use a tablet.

link8506 said,


Consumerism at its worst!
So you have a device for each use case instead of having a device that covers every one of them?

When you go on holiday, you have to carry both your tablet and your laptop if you want to be able to copy pictures from your digital camera, or browse any web site.
And I'm not even talking about the ecology nightmare it is to produce so many useless devices that are unable to replace existing devices like laptops. That adds even more pollution and wastes when the device is discarded.

I think the future is about convertible laptops, or tablets with keyboard dock. This kind of device will replace laptops and traditional tablets like the ipad. You won't need to own 2 devices anymore when 1 device is perfectly enough.

Wow, you are so silly. Why would I need a laptop when I'm on vacation. You mean your phone doesn't take good pictures and automatically upload it to your Picasa account? That sucks for you.

mikeyx12 said,
Yep, but at least it would be able to actually do something.

Anyway, I don't think you should be comparing the current generation of Windows tablets (and software) to what is coming. Your point is the reason why they are doing what they are with Windows 8.
That's right, the iPad is a MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. So then why would you be making such a comment on an article about tablets for BUSINESS USE?

If you're agreeing that it's not the same thing, meaning it's not actually an alternative, then your first comment was completely pointless and irrelevant.

The iPad has been used in many business applications as well, right? I'm talking about your average consumer here. Your average consumer doesn't have money for both a laptop and a tablet, right? So which would you recommend a user get as their primary device? I am not stupid enough to ever recommend anyone get a tablet over a laptop.

NeoPogo said,

iPad is a consumpution device AND a creation device if you get the right apps. There is already Office-like apps from DataViz and others to start. There are many more apps that let you create content like a laptop or desktop. You may want to get into the 21st century and look at all the things you can do with iPad before arguing on a point that was true in 2010 but no longer true in 2012.

Your average consumer uses it as a MEDIA CONSUMPTION DEVICE. You may want to get your head out of your A** once in a while and see what your average consumer uses it for. Or maybe learn to read? I'm not sure what your problem is exactly but fix it. http://mobility-business-digit...tion-devices-for-consumers/