Windows Blue to be named Windows 8.1

Over the past few weeks, we have been learning a boatload about Windows Blue. After an early build of Windows Blue leaked, many new features were found and it seems like as each day passes, we learn a little bit more about the platform.

Step in AngleWZR, who has been following the leaked builds closely, has posted a screenshot from Windows Blue build 9375 that states the platform is called Windows 8.1. The naming convention is not all that surprising as Microsoft has adopted a similar structure for Windows Phone.

In addition to the screenshot, Paul Thurrott is chiming in and saying he's also heard that Windows Blue will be called Windows 8.1.

Mary Jo Foley has previously stated that Window Blue is likely to hit RTM in August of this year, which means that Microsoft is getting close to finishing up the code for the platform. If this all holds true, it means we could see a platform preview at BUILD which is slated for the end of June (Neowin will be attending).

As we get closer to BUILD and the August release, we will likely hear a lot more about the platform from official and unofficial means as more users get their hands on Microsoft's upcoming update to Windows 8.

Source: Twitter | Image via AngleWZR

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Glad to see the Microsoft may become more honest, in that "Blue" is just an update to Windows-8. At least that leaves Windows-9 available to fix the "mess" of Windows-8 that it created for non touch-centric users. We shall see.

This would be ideal if they then shipped Windows 9 a year later.

Perhaps what they will do is ship Windows 8.5 'Blue' at the 18 month point, some time in the first half of next year?

It's what Windows 8 could have been at the very least if they weren't rushing the bloody thing out of the gate posthaste, and instead cared to implement some of their more useful ideas.

Microsoft has become so much of a copycat of Googapple that releasing raw, unfinished products one after another and catching up later as they go along seems like a jolly good idea.

Metrosocial tards.

Phouchg said,
It's what Windows 8 could have been at the very least if they weren't rushing the bloody thing out of the gate posthaste, and instead cared to implement some of their more useful ideas.

Microsoft has become so much of a copycat of Googapple that releasing raw, unfinished products one after another and catching up later as they go along seems like a jolly good idea.

Metrosocial tards.


Problem is similar with what they had on WP7 to WP8.
They had a gap to fill, either fill that gap or be hit allot harder because of loss of market and media.
Windows 8 itself is a good update over 7. But off course Blue is the "what 8 should've been". Just like how Windows 7 is the "what vista should've been".
Personally I rather use Windows 8 to fill that gap then wait that period and that I would've been using Windows 7. (Windows 8 fixes a few things for me that should've come OOTB for decades already )

Is this really a surprise?
It's an update to Windows 8.

Much like Mountain Lion (10.8), Snow Leopard, etc were for OS X.

One indication that Microsoft has lost its focus and has become forgetful of what made it a great company. Yes, it is still successful, but how long can a company keep making missteps and remain successful?

i was wondering this as well, the way i have seen the leaks so far they aren't an update they are installs for a whole version of windows, so it is almost like they are releasing a windows 8.5 rather than like a SP1. I assume it will just be an update however, it is difficult to tell. I hope you do not have to purchase the update that would suck.

I'd bet it's actually called Windows 8, and 8.1 is just the name for developers. Similar to how Windows Phone 7.5 is actually 7.1.

I think that's the kernel version. Like Windows 8 is actually Windows NT 6.2, Windows Phone 7.5 was Windows CE 7.1.

Windows Blue is apparently NT 6.3 and the version number of the OS seems to have completely diverged from the internal number for the kernel.

no it wont. that would seriously handicap the platform. it instantly becomes fragmented. there will be new APIs,and developers will start getting confused. hmmm what do I develop for, 8 or 8.1? Do you not understand how big a cluster**** that would be? for what? a few bucks? never gonna happen.

neufuse said,
8.1 huh? usually when a product name changes, a charge for it ensues.... aka this will be a paid release

Not for Windows 8 users it won't.

Like the good old days, what was it? Windows 3.11 for Workgroups?
MS is regressing to a childlike state.

Personally I think they should keep it Windows Blue <boom chicka wah wah>
Or Maybe Windows Red Shoes?

Well, Windows 3.1 was considered to be a decent release back in the 90s, so I would hope the same for Windows 8.1

Will this be a separate install? (CD) fresh? or will this appear in Windows Update? I wonder what will happen to those non-legit users..

Izlude said,
Will this be a separate install? (CD) fresh? or will this appear in Windows Update? I wonder what will happen to those non-legit users..

I think it'll be pushed out through windows update but for those not on 8 at the time they'll have a full dvd as well. They should run another special offer for older windows users. Another $40 to upgrade till the end of 2013.

No matters what:
Both Windows 8 or 8.1 are a fail for the power desktop users!

Most Desktops used will never be touch devices.

Windows 7 is so far still the best OS

good keep using windows 7,and stop being selfish. the world doesn't revolve around you. I don't understand why you guys are even mad when the product you love and perfectly works for you is available.

vcfan said,
good keep using windows 7,and stop being selfish. the world doesn't revolve around you. I don't understand why you guys are even mad when the product you love and perfectly works for you is available.

Add in to that, that the desktop side only seen improvements over Windows 7. Yet is almost identical to Windows 7. But its still hated so much for some reason... are people really that hatefull? It's a sad thing to see.

Shadowzz said,

Add in to that, that the desktop side only seen improvements over Windows 7. Yet is almost identical to Windows 7. But its still hated so much for some reason... are people really that hatefull? It's a sad thing to see.

actually,i don't think its hate. they like the desktop but are scared people are going to dump the desktop and move on to touch. out of fear, and as a last resort,they say this negative stuff. its like your friends are got accepted to college in different cities,but you want them to stay behind together with you in the only college you got accepted to. you will trash to other colleges to get them to stay.

vcfan said,

actually,i don't think its hate. they like the desktop but are scared people are going to dump the desktop and move on to touch. out of fear, and as a last resort,they say this negative stuff. its like your friends are got accepted to college in different cities,but you want them to stay behind together with you in the only college you got accepted to. you will trash to other colleges to get them to stay.


Yeah but why fear? Look at Microsoft's history. The Desktop isn't going anywhere for a long time, by the time it will, most of us will not have used the desktop for years then.
Plus those people should compare a Win95 start menu with Windows 7's. Or a 3.11 desktop with 7/8

Yes Microsoft, scrap all the nice names like Windows Blue and Metro.

Microsoft Windows 8.1 for Enterprise, Home, and Student is far superior product name.

Stetson said,
Yes Microsoft, scrap all the nice names like Windows Blue and Metro.

Microsoft Windows 8.1 for Enterprise, Home, and Student is far superior product name.

It parallels what they have done with Windows Phone... WP7, WP7.1/WP7.5, WP7.8... all with their own more friendly names.

escobar_ said,
So, we'll have Windows 8.1 that will in fact be 6.3. Awesome.
6.3 is the version number of Windows NT, the kernel, Windows 8.1 is the "version number" of Windows itself. Nothing different between Ubuntu 10.4 running on Linux 2.x

Studio384 said,
6.3 is the version number of Windows NT, the kernel, Windows 8.1 is the "version number" of Windows itself. Nothing different between Ubuntu 10.4 running on Linux 2.x

The kernel is 6.3 on purpose, Windows 8's kernel is NT 8.0 actually. And the one with Blue will probably actually be 8.1 but called 6.3.
They kept the 6.X for backwards compatibility reasons (blame OEMs and their drivers most of all).
Windows 8 isn't the 8th Windows (consumer ones) released, its the 9th. They switched the kernel number with the Windows naming scheme.

Edited by ShadowMajestic, Apr 2 2013, 3:14pm :

Sylar0 said,
I love how everyone says Windows Blue or 8.1 its just a service pack!

it isn't a service pack,and it isn't a whole new OS, its something in between.

Sylar0 said,
I love how everyone says Windows Blue or 8.1 its just a service pack!

You could probably say that about several of the various releases.. Several versions of NT, 98, XP, 7.. but service packs don't typically add/change functionality.

Sylar0 said,
I love how everyone says Windows Blue or 8.1 its just a service pack!

It is a "features pack" as it was, in spite of the name, XP SP2.

vcfan said,

it isn't a service pack,and it isn't a whole new OS, its something in between.


Yes and Windows XP SP2 wasn't a step inbetween? The amount of changes that brought to XP is probably similar to the changes brought to 8 with Blue.

Everyone seems to've forgetten the first 1-2 years of XP, which where absolutely frigging horrible and everyone was hating.. until SP2, since then ppl love it and all was forgotten.

Shadowzz said,

Yes and Windows XP SP2 wasn't a step inbetween? The amount of changes that brought to XP is probably similar to the changes brought to 8 with Blue.

The changes in XP SP2 were nowhere near as big as Blue. SP2 was mainly a security update with some new security options/features, it barely added anything else.

Blue even has a new Kernel, less RAM usage and longer battery life. If anything, Blue is as big as Vista > 7. It's bigger than a OS X update. Neowin hasn't even reported on all the new stuff in the leaked build which i've played with, and theres probably more stuff to come before it's released.

Edited by W32.Backdoor.KillAV.E, Apr 2 2013, 6:30pm :

W32.Backdoor.KillAV.E said,

The changes in XP SP2 were nowhere near as big as Blue. SP2 was mainly a security update with some new security options/features, it barely added anything else.

Blue even has a new Kernel, less RAM usage and longer battery life. If anything, Blue is as big as Vista > 7. It's bigger than a OS X update. Neowin hasn't even reported on all the new stuff in the leaked build which i've played with, and theres probably more stuff to come before it's released.


The changes Blue will get are different. But both are huge 'service packs'.
Off course, the OS itself is allot bigger, allot more people work on it now then they did in XP days. So the changes will be bigger too. Doesn't make it less similar in changes they undergo.

Shadowzz said,

The changes Blue will get are different. But both are huge 'service packs'.
Off course, the OS itself is allot bigger, allot more people work on it now then they did in XP days. So the changes will be bigger too. Doesn't make it less similar in changes they undergo.

Blue isn't a service pack of any kind. It's an update to Windows, a new version. It's following the OS X release cycle. Even the 8.1 version increase and new kernel shows this. A service pack is usually just bug fixes and security patches, XP SP2 was the only exception to that and even that was nowhere near as big of an update.

ThunderBuddy said,
I hope it starts raining candy, it's more realistic.
I hope people realize that you can, indeed, make it rain candy if you drop it from a very tall building.

In other words, if you want a start menu then use one of the various programs out there (e.g. Start8, StartIsBack, StartMenu8).

togermano said,
I hope they add a start menu

If not yet, they will at Windows 9. When they'll see none is buying these versions without Start Menu. Also, they must seperate the OSes, one for Desktop and one for Tablets. Remove all the tablet-related bloat, update Media Player and update all desktop icons to modern 2D ones. GG! Sold! Windows 9, be patient and stay on Windows 7 that got already the important improvements from 8.

Maybe by using Windows key + dakl409q8lskdjq-08e109djalk1098091284akl0283109..... like a million dollars will be wired to your bankaccount

PC EliTiST said,

If not yet, they will at Windows 9. When they'll see none is buying these versions without Start Menu. Also, they must seperate the OSes, one for Desktop and one for Tablets. Remove all the tablet-related bloat, update Media Player and update all desktop icons to modern 2D ones. GG! Sold! Windows 9, be patient and stay on Windows 7 that got already the important improvements from 8.


Get out from under that rock and stop living in the past.
The desktop is fine in Windows 8, its even better then just the desktop on Windows 7. Lets ignore the metro all together, which you can.
Any reason to hate Windows 8 so much? Only because it has no start button? Then you're just a troll and it would be better if you'd go troll on youtube, /b/ or anywhere else. People like to discuss opinions here, not just blatand irrational irritating trolling like you and many other haters.
Why update media player? Its fine, but you want MKV support? The broken container codec. Look up what AVI was and why Microsoft abandoned their own container codec.
Update icons, the icons aren't abig issue. They kept the desktop as much as it was, and for someone that dislikes anything metro/modern... why do u want this modern everywhere in your desktop?

Windows 7 has gotten the improvements of Windows 8?
So I can run Windows 7 on a PIII 500mhz with 128mb ram?
No I couldn't. Windows 8 however installs fine and runs...sortoff.
Also its new directx helps, the improved GPU acceleration that is so much better, its software acceleration is more then fine to render seethrough and all on the most lowend of devices.
Its build in antivirus helps allot. Its smart screen filter, both very good protections against the average joe and many of us IT techs (cause I know many IT people don't run AV's for some odd stupid reason).
Lets not forget a ton of small kernel optimizations that made the OS lighter, faster, more secure then its predesessors. Also the splitting of Userspace finally from Kernel/driver space has been done! In Windows 7 its to easy to crash a system as a user. On Windows 8 this is almost impossible. (it still is, but allot harder)
Oh and the start screen is nothing more then a unified desktop/start menu. Both already widely available in Windows 7. In Windows 8 they combined both and everybody starts hating and crying? hahaha

But nahhh... stay on Windows 7, make it the new XP, and I bet you're the first to cry in 2020 that people are still using Windows 7... (blame people like yourself )

abysal said,
I hope they remove any options to add a start menu and end this debate.

I hope they do too, sales would come to a grinding halt and Ballmer would be fired, that would be the best thing to ever happen to Microsoft and their customers.

and how do we know microsoft won't release an update that kills start8 and other apps. Imagine what harm that would do to businesses if businesses upgraded to win8 and used start8 then it stopped working.

Microsoft should give it's users the option to bring back the start menu, have it disabled by default then you metro fanboys have nothing to complain about. You fanboys really do hate choice, north korea would be a good place for you to go to for your next holiday, you would LOVE it there.

torrentthief said,
and how do we know microsoft won't release an update that kills start8 and other apps. Imagine what harm that would do to businesses if businesses upgraded to win8 and used start8 then it stopped working.

Microsoft should give it's users the option to bring back the start menu, have it disabled by default then you metro fanboys have nothing to complain about. You fanboys really do hate choice, north korea would be a good place for you to go to for your next holiday, you would LOVE it there.

Businesses don't use third party utilities, first of all. Second of all, adding in the option to kill Metro, creates support problems that would increase costs for everyone involved. Plus it breaks what Microsoft is trying to do. They spent the last few years reinventing itself and its services. They're not going to throw that all away simply because a whiny few don't want to accept these new changes.

Start is not something user hostile to desktop users, pin your desktop apps to it, and think of it as a full screen launcher. There's nothing to Windows 8 if you don't want to use Metro apps.

[quote=torrentthief said,]and how do we know microsoft won't release an update that kills start8 and other apps. Imagine what harm that would do to businesses if businesses upgraded to win8 and used start8 then it stopped working.
quote]Imagine what harm an evil jet plane or automobile could do...

torrentthief said,
and how do we know microsoft won't release an update that kills start8 and other apps. Imagine what harm that would do to businesses if businesses upgraded to win8 and used start8 then it stopped working.

Imagine what harm an evil jet plane or automobile could do...

abysal said,
I hope they remove any options to add a start menu and end this debate.

This will just make things worse.

ahhell said,
FFS let it go already.
You have options. Use them and STFU.
Agreed. Some people just like to whine and complain..

PC EliTiST said,

If not yet, they will at Windows 9. When they'll see none is buying these versions without Start Menu. Also, they must seperate the OSes, one for Desktop and one for Tablets. Remove all the tablet-related bloat, update Media Player and update all desktop icons to modern 2D ones. GG! Sold! Windows 9, be patient and stay on Windows 7 that got already the important improvements from 8.

I'm sure some loyal DOS fan said the same. After all the desktop wasn;t nearly as fast as DOS commands! It was just bloat that wouldnt last long, especially on the business market!

At my company we're stil dealing with the aftermath of such narrowminded people. Long after DOS his days someone at the top kept on persisting it was faster and now our callcentre employees stil have to look as a DOS-like screen.

The new UI is a start. Like the Original desktop it wouldnt do everything its predecessor could do. Which is why the predecessor is stil accessible (DOS in Windows 3.1 and the desktop in Windows 8). As the new UI improves it will become more functional and easier to use for different input options.

Ronnet said,

I'm sure some loyal DOS fan said the same. After all the desktop wasn;t nearly as fast as DOS commands! It was just bloat that wouldnt last long, especially on the business market!

At my company we're stil dealing with the aftermath of such narrowminded people. Long after DOS his days someone at the top kept on persisting it was faster and now our callcentre employees stil have to look as a DOS-like screen.

The new UI is a start. Like the Original desktop it wouldnt do everything its predecessor could do. Which is why the predecessor is stil accessible (DOS in Windows 3.1 and the desktop in Windows 8). As the new UI improves it will become more functional and easier to use for different input options.

^This. This. This.

Ronnet said,

I'm sure some loyal DOS fan said the same. After all the desktop wasn;t nearly as fast as DOS commands! It was just bloat that wouldnt last long, especially on the business market!

At my company we're stil dealing with the aftermath of such narrowminded people. Long after DOS his days someone at the top kept on persisting it was faster and now our callcentre employees stil have to look as a DOS-like screen.

The new UI is a start. Like the Original desktop it wouldnt do everything its predecessor could do. Which is why the predecessor is stil accessible (DOS in Windows 3.1 and the desktop in Windows 8). As the new UI improves it will become more functional and easier to use for different input options.


There is still nothing more efficient that a CLI - as can be seen by it's continued use in servers and HPC...

Studio384 said,
Actualy, I hoop they keep using Windows Blue as name, it sounds good.

Definitely cooler then "8.1" which might I add is nothing special, we saw leaked builds of XP follow this same pattern. Paul saying that blue is 8.1 means absolutely nothing... we have known since the leak it was being referred to as 8.1 whether or not that is what they will refer to it as is anyone's guess.

If you still get blue screens in this day and age, you need to stop buying cheap hardware. I haven't experience a blue screen since XP days.

wingliston said,
If you still get blue screens in this day and age, you need to stop buying cheap hardware. I haven't experience a blue screen since XP days.

Buy a creative soundcard. They are not cheap, but their drivers love to crash...