Xbox exec: I didn't mean to diminish PS4 performance claims

Over the weekend, an interview was posted with Microsoft's Albert Penello, the head of the company's Xbox product planning chores. The interview, which was conducted in May during the first reveal of the Xbox One console, had Penello talking about the hardware specs that Sony revealed for the rival PS4. The article quoted Penello as saying, "The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless."

That particular quote generated a lot of comments on message boards and news sites and some people felt that Penello was in fact slamming the hardware specs of the PS4. Now he has fired back with a follow up, via a post he made on the NeoGAF forums.

The post stated, in part:

I'm not diminishing Sony’s performance claims and I wasn’t trying to be arrogant or dismissive. What I was trying to say is – I’m not Sony’s engineering team. So I can’t comment on what they have published as specs. I know what our teams are doing, and I know how they thought about architecting the system. The guys who are building these machines (on both sides) are unbelievably talented and experts in their field. Nobody knows the specifics of how the machines are architected or if there may be bottlenecks in one system or accelerators in another that change the impact of the published specs.

Penello also repeated his belief that it will be the games made for the Xbox One and PS4 that will ultimately make the real difference between the two console, saying “Games on both systems looked awesome."

While it appears that the PS4 may have the edge on the Xbox One in terms of the hardware numbers, there's now evidence that game developers might be able to get more memory performance from the final version of the Xbox One than previously reported.

Source: NeoGAF via VG247.com

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I find it amusing when neowin ms fanboys say performance doesn't matter it is about the games. This is due to the vast majority of games being released on both consoles so the hardware does indeed matter when this happens which is for 95% of games. There are only a small number of genuinely great exclusive games, most of those are on the ps3, i can't see that changing much with this next gen due to naughty dog being owned by sony. Uncharted + last of us are truly awesome.

Performance doesn't matter, it's all about the games!

Unless someone announces the theoretical capabilities for the Xbox One that places it over the Playstation 4, then suddenly performance is EVERYTHING.

People are silly.

microsoft just dont say anything else, they are having a PR mess, so far.... Just show the games and let the market get into it, the more they talk or say something the more they screwup

Unless its anything relevant like a price cut, or the elimination of kinect as a requirement.

At this point I agree. Even when they don't say anything outrageous, many on the internet take it as outrageous. Good points are buried.

I so agree with this. Just let the system, games, and features talk for themselves if it is the best of the new generation.

I still don't get why some people attacked this guy for what he said.

I'm glad he came out and made it clear for those that weren't getting it. Its as is some people are trigger happy about bashing MS. Hey, I'll be the first to agree that the MS pr guys have messed up big time, but this was not an example of that.

This was an example of the internet crowd deciding to attack and overreact to a statement for whatever reason. I don't care if its MS or Sony, we need to drop the bs and not jump all over these guys over nothing.

Everybody calls me a MS fanboy, but this time I'm inclined to buy a PS4 instead of a Xbox One in the coming months.

Of course, if the Xbox One manages to get more exclusive and great games than the PS4, I'll have to reconsider my inclination.

SirPeterPan said,
Everybody calls me a MS fanboy, but this time I'm inclined to buy a PS4 instead of a Xbox One in the coming months.

Of course, if the Xbox One manages to get more exclusive and great games than the PS4, I'll have to reconsider my inclination.

I think they do already.
Best Racer: Forza
Best Fighter: Killer Instinct
Best Action Game: Ryse
Best Shooting Game: TitanFall

As far as RPG's go. Witcher, Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy will be on both systems. They only game I was impressed with for PS4 so far was Second Son. If I was picking on exclusives alone I would go with Xbox One right now.

Titanfall is also coming to PC though, which makes it a non-issue for me.

Killer Instinct is just a name to me as it stands; they can't just throw it out there and call it a success when it hasn't been around in a long time. It's also worth noting that the developer behind it isn't exactly known for making great games either. I think many people are just going to find themselves disappointed with this. I didn't see anything exciting shown at the E3 Microsoft conference in regards to this title either.

MS is having a LOT of trouble with this launch. I'm not sure what the deal is. After the huge success of the Xbox 360 you'd expect to see a company with confidence this time around. They came out of basically no where to be a MAJOR player in the console market in just 2 generations. I feel overall they had a more solid platform last generation than their competition, and they should be coming into this generation acting like leaders, but instead they look almost amateurish. This doesn't seem like the same team that launched the 360 (and maybe it isn't, I don't know how much shake up in the Xbox team there was). We've got changes of plans to how the system will run, changes to the hardware, apologies left and right. I'd feel a lot better as a consumer with a company that acted like they were confident in themselves. I'd be scared to pre-order a One with the way things are going right now. The fastest way to destroy a product is to spend years of R&D to get it just right, then make a bunch of on the fly changes right before launch.

AJerman said,
MS is having a LOT of trouble with this launch. I'm not sure what the deal is. After the huge success of the Xbox 360 you'd expect to see a company with confidence this time around.

No one expected sony to destroy their success coming off the PS2 to PS3 and never expected Sony to fall as far as it dead before they corrected themselves.

It's not the same team...
J-Allard left during the transition into the 360 phase...

Robbie Bach left a couple of years ago as well...

Sometimes arrogance can blind you...

But the XB1 will be a game changer...

The "Suits" that do all the talking can sure use a few courses in Social Skills 101...

Showan said,
It's not the same team...
J-Allard left during the transition into the 360 phase...

Robbie Bach left a couple of years ago as well...

Sometimes arrogance can blind you...

But the XB1 will be a game changer...

The "Suits" that do all the talking can sure use a few courses in Social Skills 101...

Ahh, ok, there ya go. Yeah, I forgot who all left, I don't really keep up with all that. I do hope it turns out well, but the whole launch just looks like a mess so far. Microsoft tends to be very hit and miss with their hardware though, so we'll see soon enough I guess!

I do remember how much anticipation there was for the 360. All the games they played before launch, giving out small details here and there, making people solve puzzles and physically go places to put together the pieces about the system. I had a blast with all that and I've never felt anticipation for a product like that. This time around they were just like "Plop, here's the Xbox One, buy it".

There's a very big claim which was never retracted. His claim that Sony use of the shelf parts. That is a massive, massive difference when it comes to consoles and I feel for this generation it could be a key factor.

If the rumors are right for hardware specs (PS4's were wrong) then the PS4 does have a higher spec'd GPU on paper. If the X1 has lower specs but those specs are custom designed to satisfy each other, then the X1 will be a stronger and more stable system.

End of the day, the proof is in the pudding and unfortunately the X1's pudding is way more juicer at the minute. 60fps across the board running at 1080p compared to a sub 30fps.

Also, don't forget the other massive points. DirectX, Common API's.

Mis-read that... my bad...

I am more eager for the XBX1 than the PS4 as of right now...
I've been on a rant about Sony as of late...

Unless Sony is really holding the 'Killer features' until TGS or some other private press event... I'm just not that impressed...

This is all I've seen of the PS4 so far: Graphics card upgrade and $100 savings...

I want to be wowed by the PS4 (I've owned every Sony console to date..) and currently the owner of 2 PS3's...

But ever since the OG Xbox came out... I just don't look at Playstation the same...
And I don't mean that in a good way...

Showan said,
I've been on a rant about Sony as of late...

Oh, trust us, we know. You comment in every article about how much "better" the Xbox One is going to be and how the PS4 has "no imagination".

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

Oh, trust us, we know. You comment in every article about how much "better" the Xbox One is going to be and how the PS4 has "no imagination".

I'm on my Sony rant because Sony gets free passes all the time...
Say the name Microsoft and it's angry mob time.. Pitchforks, torches, and all...

Sony might surprise me... Don't get me wrong... (I do have a PS4 on reserve)... And own 2 PS3's...
But it took 3-4yrs for the PS3 to be worth it...
The 360 was nice out the gate, and got better...

Now if you look at my Sony rants as of late, if anything I said is untrue... Please point it out to me... I will go and turn on one of the many PS3's in my house and make sure I'm not spitting lies...

Now as of right now... I mean from what, we all saw at the PS4 reveal and E3... You can't convince that a graphics card upgrade, and $100 savings are the "must have"

I'm impressed by rumble in the controller...
Instant snap in between games (at least the digital ones now that they 180'D) in a matter of seconds...
Laugh at the cloud now... Get more jealous with each year gone by... As bandwidth around the world improves with each passing year...
tv,tv,tv.. Yes please... Xbox available while I watch, college sports in the fall, NBA... Whatever.. Yes, yes, yes....
Improved smart glass..l yes please....
Kinect will be that much improved... Yes please... Voice as a button input... Yes please...

Sony does NOT get free passes; the only reason Sony gets more praise currently is because Microsoft can't seem to get their foot out of their mouth. Sony used to be criticized for the exact same thing...

Sony gets passes...
"The Cell Was too Hard to Code for" so lets give them a pass...
Well they said sorry for the breach and gave us 2 free games.. so lets give them a pass
Their own programmers brick our console 1-2x a year... lets give them a pass

7yrs without fixing that horrid infrastructure on the backend... games take forever to download patch... and install patch... we make the excuse "well I can always do something else while its updating...so its not so bad" another free pass...

tv,tv,tv = lets burn them at the steak
DRM = lets burn them at the steak
Kinect forced down our throat, NSA... = lets burn them at the steak
RRoD fixed for free... people lying at saying they bought multiple consoles because of it (who is dumb enough to do this, when its replaced for free?) = LETS BURN THEM AT THE STEAK
Always Online!!! = Lets burn them at the steak...

dead.cell said,
No, Sony doesn't get a free pass at all. You're just opting to ignore the Sony criticisms to make your statement "factual".

Maybe I am blind to it....
Or I pay more attention to the praise that they get...

MS gets 3x worse though... IMHO

I think people just have short term memory is all; how quickly we forget how awful companies treat us. Happens all the time.

Why is MS fumbling so much on this generation? This is the third system they are releasing, it should be old hat now. From back-peddling, to odd quotes and replies.

What is going on with them right now.

The old crew from the Xbox days of old are gone...

Robbie Bach, and J Allard need to go back and show them how its done...

The XB1 has a ton of potential... I believe in it...
But the PR team.. and other Execs... Well some of them need a nice warm glass of shut the heck up...

Their fumbles are under a microscope right now, any slip gets magnified, also 6 years of anger from rabid SonyFanboys tend to blow things out of proportion. Sony fans are angry they were not topdog last gen and now that the new gen is starting over they are seriously in attack mode.

That might be true but why are MS execs doing what they are doing. Both MS and Sony are under microscope for details. Fayboys will be fanboys, companies really do not care. MS is saying alot of stuff...then later saying sorry or correcting themselves. It is like this is their first deployment of a gaming device not their third.

Maybe Sony is being smart and holding its tongue until the system comes out. Then they will get blasted.

No one just woke up and decided to become a Sony fanboy. If you paid attention, things were pretty even this last generation. What's happening is you have people from the Xbox fan base annoyed and losing trust towards the brand and company they've stayed loyal to.

Some tension has been relieved thanks to the Microsoft backtrack on DRM, but this whole debacle has definitely changed some opinions on the company. Personally, I can't help but laugh at all the awful rationalizing some people here have, that "bad press is better than no press". Couldn't be further from the truth.

swanlee said,
Their fumbles are under a microscope right now, any slip gets magnified, also 6 years of anger from rabid SonyFanboys tend to blow things out of proportion. Sony fans are angry they were not topdog last gen and now that the new gen is starting over they are seriously in attack mode.

The 360 was not topdog last gen. See: Nintendo Wii.
Funny when fanboys accuse others of being fanboys. Pot, meet kettle.

You are correct sir!!

Nintendo Wii 2006 99.84 million
Sony PlayStation 3 2006 78.4 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 2005 77.2 million

moloko said,
You are correct sir!!

Nintendo Wii 2006 99.84 million
Sony PlayStation 3 2006 78.4 million
Microsoft Xbox 360 2005 77.2 million

Wow, are those stats for real? I didn't know the PS3 surpassed the 360. That's... quite amazing considering they released a year early, had broken hardware to which I know many friends/family of mine re-bought the system 2-3 times on average. Damn.

These are real numbers. What they do not say is how may were sold because of defective equipment over and over again. I am surprised at the Wii numbers since so many crap on it.

Wii U on on the other hand im sure has horrible number.

dead.cell said,

Wow, are those stats for real? I didn't know the PS3 surpassed the 360. That's... quite amazing considering they released a year early, had broken hardware to which I know many friends/family of mine re-bought the system 2-3 times on average. Damn.

Those number are correct...
MS did very well for themselves though... Considering they still can't get traction in Asia...
Only 1million people in Asia bought an Xbox though....
If MS would of only sold 1/2 the consoles Sony did in Asia, SONY wouldn't even be a close 3rd...

How could people ever take his initial comment like that?

People are way too sensitive anymore. It's as if they *want* to be offended.

M_Lyons10 said,
How could people ever take his initial comment like that?

People are way too sensitive anymore. It's as if they *want* to be offended.

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like some people will complain just for the sake of complaining.

Astra.Xtreme said,

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like some people will complain just for the sake of complaining.

How could you even say that? I'm making a complaint...
Wait what?

M_Lyons10 said,
How could people ever take his initial comment like that?

People are way too sensitive anymore. It's as if they *want* to be offended.

Totally agree. Any one that was thinking he was bashing Sony obviously had their head up their arse.

M_Lyons10 said,
How could people ever take his initial comment like that?

People are way too sensitive anymore. It's as if they *want* to be offended.


No. He tried mud slinging in a sarcastic way. But recently, anything Microsoft execs say is getting used against them. Still they don't learn their lesson.

Why not highlight positives of their own console and stop the comparisons? Microsoft fanboys will definitely see them through.

sanke1 said,

No. He tried mud slinging in a sarcastic way. But recently, anything Microsoft execs say is getting used against them. Still they don't learn their lesson.

Why not highlight positives of their own console and stop the comparisons? Microsoft fanboys will definitely see them through.

That is complete nonsense.

First, that was not mud slinging by any means. He didn't say the console was garbage, he made the argument that people will buy a console based on which one has the games that they play... Nothing more. If people are overly sensitive or WANT to be insulted, they can read that into anything. Case in point.

And you're ignoring as well that this was the response to a direct question about comparing the specs of the two consoles... He didn't just launch into this from left field... LMAO

This really isn't a fanboy issue either, aside from the laughable Sony fanboys that got their feelings hurt...

sanke1 said,

No. He tried mud slinging in a sarcastic way. But recently, anything Microsoft execs say is getting used against them. Still they don't learn their lesson.

Why not highlight positives of their own console and stop the comparisons? Microsoft fanboys will definitely see them through.

There we go again, lack of evidence so you start throwing 'fanboy' around.
Fact is he was saying that numbers are meaningless to the general public, which, they are.

Mikeffer said,
Fact is he was saying that numbers are meaningless to the general public, which, they are.

Because their console doesn't have the highest numbers, so of course they would say that.
As I said in the other article, it's akin to an ugly person saying real beauty is on the inside.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

Because their console doesn't have the highest numbers, so of course they would say that.
As I said in the other article, it's akin to an ugly person saying real beauty is on the inside.

Read in to it what you will.

People need to stay away from Neogaf for awhile. It is literally a Sony fanboy hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about MS they tear you to shreds.

Neogaf has always had a Sony bias but it is not even being held in check anymore.
Seems like 6 years of pent up anger from sony fans are coming out all at once now that they see even the slightest weakness in MS.

They really need to step up a little their cause you can't be taken seriously as an industry forum if you are blatantly bias.

Edited by swanlee, Jul 1 2013, 1:23pm :

Yeah, aren't uber fanboys annoying? Most people would just like subjective honest information and you can't get that when everyone is a cheerleader. They probably think the exact same thing about this site and many would argue they wouldn't be wrong. Now that he's apologized and clarified, wonder all the people that defended what they thought he said are up to.

People need to stay away from Neowin for awhile. it is literally a MS fanboy hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about Sony they tear you to shreds.

swanlee said,
People need to stay away from Neogaf for awhile. It is literally a Sony fanboy hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about MS they tear you to shreds.

Neogaf has always had a Sony bias but it is not even being held in check anymore.
Seems like 6 years of pent up anger from sony fans are coming out all at once now that they see even the slightest weakness in MS.

They really need to step up a little their cause you can't be taken seriously as an industry forum if you are blatantly bias.


And what about Neowin members affiliation with Microsoft? People will go wherever they feel like.

Xilo said,
People need to stay away from Neowin for awhile. it is literally a MS fanboy hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about Sony they tear you to shreds.

No.

Thing is notice neoWIN in the title of the site? It is supposed to be windows centric that's what it is for and actually makes it different then most tech sites.

when NeoGaf changes it's name to NeoSony then we can talk about it. It might as well be Neosony as it's always been horrible sony biased.

I'm certainly not going to go to a Playstation site and complain about the Sony bias their.

Edited by swanlee, Jul 1 2013, 2:39pm :

sanke1 said,

And what about Neowin members affiliation with Microsoft? People will go wherever they feel like.

Ok since people don't seem to get it, the title of this site is neoWIN, it is suppsoed to be a Windows\MS centric

Neogaf is supposed to neutral, and it pushed as the Video game industires go to Message baord for people actually working in the industry.

Problem with Neogaf is the blatant sony bias that has always been present is not even being kept in place now. It is simply all out war on anyone that even has a mildly good opinion of MS.

Having a focus on windows doesn't necessarily mean everyone will be positive towards it. If you change the name to onlypositiveWIN.com it might be a different story.

swanlee said,
Thing is notice neoWIN in the title of the site? It is supposed to be windows centric that's what it is for and actually makes it different then most tech sites.

Microsoft centric? So post ONLY Microsoft centric stories and stop with the sensational writing. That would be Microsoft centric.

Yet this site posts about iOS and Android. You can't have it both ways defending the NeoWin name and have front page articles that have nothing to do with Microsoft.

Recent Non-Microsoft Front Page News
1) http://www.neowin.net/news/nvi...ayed-until-sometime-in-july
2) http://www.neowin.net/news/goo...ing-on-android-game-console
3) http://www.neowin.net/news/ouy...-out-in-some-retail-outlets
4) http://www.neowin.net/news/son...e-gargantuan-xperia-z-ultra
5) http://www.neowin.net/news/rev...xy-s4-3g-i9500-and-4g-i9505
6) http://www.neowin.net/news/rum...model-to-follow-weeks-later
7) http://www.neowin.net/news/iph...and-larger-battery-included
8) http://www.neowin.net/news/ano...oto-confirms-dual-led-flash
9) http://www.neowin.net/news/is-this-the-new-iphone
10) http://www.neowin.net/news/win...-launcher-hits-1m-downloads

#10 is the style of writing that Neowin needs to avoid.

So by your definition, why is Neowin writing about things like this? By your definition, this is NeoFAIL!

I said "Windows centric" which it is, that doesn't mean it ignores the tech industry outside of windows.

Just ask the site owners, this place is supposed to lean more heavily on the Windows news.

Neogaf is presented as a neutral game industry message board in in reality it has also been more centered towards Sony and now their is no question that place is a simple Sony Hivemeind.

I certainly would not go on outwardly Sony centered site and complain about bias towards Sony as it is to be expected just like neoWIN is slanted towards MS.

swanlee said,
I said "Windows centric" which it is, that doesn't mean it ignores the tech industry outside of windows.

Just ask the site owners, this place is supposed to lean more heavily on the Windows news.

Neogaf is presented as a neutral game industry message board in in reality it has also been more centered towards Sony and now their is no question that place is a simple Sony Hivemeind.

I certainly would not go on outwardly Sony centered site and complain about bias towards Sony as it is to be expected just like neoWIN is slanted towards MS.

Windows centric, yes, and also biased towards all things Microsoft.

It's not just with the news articles. I see it in the forums, too. I've been a bit put off by it because I don't think Microsoft excels at everything they do - and to point this out is like tossing gas on a fire. Stick up for the PS4 and you're trolling. Stick up for the Xbox One and you're pointing out facts.

swanlee said,
I said "Windows centric" which it is, that doesn't mean it ignores the tech industry outside of windows.

Just ask the site owners, this place is supposed to lean more heavily on the Windows news.

Neogaf is presented as a neutral game industry message board in in reality it has also been more centered towards Sony and now their is no question that place is a simple Sony Hivemeind.

I certainly would not go on outwardly Sony centered site and complain about bias towards Sony as it is to be expected just like neoWIN is slanted towards MS.


So it isn't Microsoft centric. Make up your mind. If you don't know, this site started out Microsoft centric. It has slowly moved to become more tech centric. My point is, put the stupid Neowin name argument to rest. You sound like amateurs when using that lame argument. This was such a pointless thread.

Their is a difference between a site called Neo"WIN" that is geared towards MS centric news as opposed to Neogaf which sells it's self as an industry level message forums for games.

This site is supposed to be biased and is one of the FEW places on the entire internet where MS oriented fans can congregate without getting abused by fans of other companies.

I would not go to a self advertised Sony site and complain about the bias, just like I wouldn't go to crackberry.com and complain that they are way to bias for the blackberry.

Neowin is supposed to be bias, that is what the site is for. Neogaf is suppsoed to be unbias that's the load of goods they sell in order to get industry insiders to post whihc brings more traffic. They however are clearly bias and have been since day one. Sony gets a free ride over their while MS gets destroyed no matter what they do.

Maybe that should be made clear, under the logo or something, so that people ending up here thinking this might be subjective news will be warned it's biased. Wow.

swanlee said,
Their is a difference between a site called Neo"WIN" that is geared towards MS centric news as opposed to Neogaf which sells it's self as an industry level message forums for games.

This site is supposed to be biased and is one of the FEW places on the entire internet where MS oriented fans can congregate without getting abused by fans of other companies.

I would not go to a self advertised Sony site and complain about the bias, just like I wouldn't go to crackberry.com and complain that they are way to bias for the blackberry.

Neowin is supposed to be bias, that is what the site is for. Neogaf is suppsoed to be unbias that's the load of goods they sell in order to get industry insiders to post whihc brings more traffic. They however are clearly bias and have been since day one. Sony gets a free ride over their while MS gets destroyed no matter what they do.

I appears you're getting the term "centric" mixed up with "biased". And therein lies the issue others are trying to point out: Neowin may be Microsoft centric and they are reporting in a way where is comes across as biased.

Crackberry.com is a bad example because it's exclusive to BlackBerry. Neowin is NOT exclusive to Microsoft - so you're comparing apples to oranges.

swanlee said,
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Got it. By your definition then, this site is mean for children to congregate and talk about how Microsoft is great. When they are bored and have nothing to write about, they will talk about nothing related to Microsoft so that the children can come and bash the product/story at hand. Thanks for clearing things up.

I use the term children because clearly adults have much better things to do. I come to Neowin because they tend to post more articles on Microsoft that some sites miss. Sites like the Verge won't miss the big ones. But they miss stories like The CW App is no on the Xbox.

If I had to break it down for you, I am not a fan of a particular company but I lean towards Google since they offer more products that I am interested in.

Google Search, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Music/All Access, Google Contacts, Google+, Android, Google Maps, Google Earth, YouTube, Google Drive, Google Keep, Chrome, Chrome OS. I occasionally use Google Wallet (if available) and Google Translate or Google Shopping (if ever a need). It is my one stop shop.

I love Apple. I do like iOS (just not as a smartphone). Apple doesn't offer to many cross-platform solutions so it is just good for what it is on the iPad. I also love Apple TV. It has been quickly replacing my Xbox 360.

Then there is Microsoft. What can I say about Microsoft other than they are just a necessity for most of their products that I have to use. For me Microsoft is only good for Windows and Office. Yes I have an Xbox 360 but I am not a gamer. I got it when it first came out because it was the easiest home media solution at the time. The Apple TV has quickly replaced that for me. Other than that they really don't offer me anything I can't get from any of the other two companies.

The thing is what people on this site can't seem to wrap their heads around is Microsoft really doesn't offer anything compelling that makes you want to have it.

1) Android and iOS is much better than Windows Phone. Android and iOS offer a much better ecosystem. This isn't being a hater this is just FACT!
2) Windows 8 is not so much better than Windows 7. So I will stick with Windows 7 because it works great for me.
3) There is nothing compelling about Office 2013 to force me to upgrade Office 2010 (technically I upgraded because it is only $20 US to upgrade through my company). There is nothing magical about it. You can still be just as productive with Office 2010 as you can be with 2012.

The only niche stuff they offer that is compelling is the Xbox One. I am not a gamer so I won't be looking into the Xbox One. I am quite happy with Apple TV offering me Netflix and streaming my media. Also I love the subscription model for Office 2013 (but again, I get it through my company at a huge discount so it doesn't interest me but I keep that on file so I can tell others about it).

People need to stop defending companies or bashing companies. You are not getting paid by them so stay quiet. You sound like children. State the facts and move on. Just my little rant on everything that is wrong with this site and other sites that have their little fans.

PS4 is the better console. Period.
Microsoft can FUD, praise the holly cache (I loled at this one) and whine about all they want, at the end the public will choose the best machine, and PS4 is by far (50%) faster and better performing than the Xboxy.

JasonMiles said,
PS4 is the better console. Period.
Microsoft can FUD, praise the holly cache (I loled at this one) and whine about all they want, at the end the public will choose the best machine, and PS4 is by far (50%) faster and better performing than the Xboxy.

Yes on paper. But I would use both of them before making a purchase. So Android is better than iOS since a lot of Android manufacturers offer better hardware. Same thing can be said about Windows Phone.


Ok since people don't seem to get it, the title of this site is neoWIN, it is suppsoed to be a Windows\MS centric

So according to you, Apple Inc. is a company selling fruit?

Maybe when it first began Neowin was about Windows, but today Neowin publishes just as much information about Apple's products and rumours as Microsoft's. Its in the comments where the bias begins to form.

swanlee said,
People need to stay away from Neogaf for awhile. It is literally a Sony fanboy hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about MS they tear you to shreds.


People need to stay away from Neowin for awhile.

It is literally a M$ and fandroids hivemind site and if you show ANY positive thoughts about M$ or apple they tear you to shreds.

How that look now ?

Edited by qqqwas, Jul 1 2013, 9:39pm :