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#16 Jason S.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 18:18

DVDs lasted over a decade, Blu-ray isn't going anywhere, 4K TVs are going to take a good few years to be as mainstream and as cheap as 1080p TVs are at the moment.

Doesn't make sense to add another hundred or two to the cost of the console to support a niche.

PS3 did it w/ blu-ray. blu-ray wasnt close to mainstream when it was released. why wouldnt MS or Sony want to futureproof when the next-gen console is going to last for another 6-7 years?

It pretty much is about games. As that's what you buy a gaming console for, games. If all you want is netflix and vudu and etc. you can get that for 1/3 the price.

sure, the main purpose is gaming, but i use my PS3 as my main media server. i use it for games, blu-ray, netflix and NAS streaming with DLNA.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 18:22

PS3 did it w/ blu-ray. blu-ray wasnt close to mainstream when it was released. why wouldnt MS or Sony want to futureproof when the next-gen console is going to last for another 6-7 years?with DLNA.

I still don't understand why people are under the impression we need 4k resolution. It just won't have the same impact as Blu-ray at the time. This chart doesn't even go all the way through to 4k, but it gives you a good impression of my point.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 19:15

PS3 did it w/ blu-ray. blu-ray wasnt close to mainstream when it was released. why wouldnt MS or Sony want to futureproof when the next-gen console is going to last for another 6-7 years?

It's not just about media, to support 4K resolution the next gen consoles would need at least sli/crossfire graphics with 2-4Gb of VRAM to power games. That would push the console price upwards of $1000.

As for media playback 720p/1080p was and had been a standard for years, 4K is in its infancy, there is no consumer grade 4K video playback system, there are no 4K video sources in digital or optical format outside of niche video, video clips and/or test footage.

More importantly there arent any 4k capable TVs that don't cost thousands and thousands, I don't see 4K taking off anything like Blu-ray did, at least not for 5-10 years when the next gen consoles will be mid to end of life.

#19 Hardcore Til I Die

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 19:33

4. The ability to punch someone in the face through Xbox live.

#20 Crisp

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 19:38

1. 4k support

2. 802.11AC

3. Zero Noise


4. DDR4.

When it comes to Wi-Fi, I prefer the idea of having to buy an adapter separate, maybe then it would encourage people to use wired rather than laggy wireless.

4. The ability to punch someone in the face through Xbox live.


I would happily pay a grand a year for a subscription to be able to do that.

#21 Vandalsquad

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:05

1. 4k support

2. 802.11AC

3. Zero Noise


1+2 not required.

I belive it will be silent as the slim, as Microsoft are aiming more towards the media market yet again.

#22 AR556

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:10

Personally, I want them to make a durable, quality console this time that doesn't need replacing every other year. Allowing the user to buy an off-the-shelf HDD to upgrade and using standards like Bluetooth would be nice as well, but they're too busy being ###### for consumer friendly stuff like that to happen.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 03:10

4k is the dumbest gimmick yet, it will fail harder than 3D TV. There is no reason for a 4k TV to exist, you can't even tell the difference in 720p and 1080p on the average sized home TV. Plus if they try to sucker people into replacing their newly purchased Blu-Ray collections there would be rage.

#24 Jason S.

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 19:13

4k is the dumbest gimmick yet, it will fail harder than 3D TV. There is no reason for a 4k TV to exist, you can't even tell the difference in 720p and 1080p on the average sized home TV. Plus if they try to sucker people into replacing their newly purchased Blu-Ray collections there would be rage.

like it or not, it's coming. and no, people wont be buying 100" tvs to shove into their houses.

this happens w/ every generation of entertainment tech. people always say that we dont need something, but love it in the end. i remember people saying that dvds looked better than blu-ray, and SDTV looked better than HDTV. Remember those people that said HDTV hurt their eyes and it was "too life-like?"

now we have people saying that "we dont need 4k" b/c 1080p is just fine. it's the same rotating story every few years.

you all may be very correct about the lack of 4k support in the next-gen consoles. i, however, think it'd be good for MS and Sony to at least support it in some fashion.

#25 BajiRav

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 19:16

It's not just about media, to support 4K resolution the next gen consoles would need at least sli/crossfire graphics with 2-4Gb of VRAM to power games. That would push the console price upwards of $1000.

As for media playback 720p/1080p was and had been a standard for years, 4K is in its infancy, there is no consumer grade 4K video playback system, there are no 4K video sources in digital or optical format outside of niche video, video clips and/or test footage.

More importantly there arent any 4k capable TVs that don't cost thousands and thousands, I don't see 4K taking off anything like Blu-ray did, at least not for 5-10 years when the next gen consoles will be mid to end of life.

I think it was somebody on TNT podcast who mentioned that he saw BBC's 8K Olympic broadcast and is saying people should skip 4K altogether and go straight to 8K. You can't tell pixels apart at 8K. :p

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 21:26

like it or not, it's coming. and no, people wont be buying 100" tvs to shove into their houses.

this happens w/ every generation of entertainment tech. people always say that we dont need something, but love it in the end. i remember people saying that dvds looked better than blu-ray, and SDTV looked better than HDTV. Remember those people that said HDTV hurt their eyes and it was "too life-like?"

now we have people saying that "we dont need 4k" b/c 1080p is just fine. it's the same rotating story every few years.

you all may be very correct about the lack of 4k support in the next-gen consoles. i, however, think it'd be good for MS and Sony to at least support it in some fashion.


Sure, there were people out there naysaying 1080p. I would think that any PC / PC Gaming enthusiast such as myself absolutely embraced higher resolution gaming coming to our television and game consoles. We had been gaming on high res monitors LONG before T.V got its share of the fun. I dont know about you, but i certainly don't have a 4k monitor yet. I dont believe my graphics card could handle 4k in high detail, and i JUST PAID $350 for it a few months ago(radeon 7870). Why on earth do you think next gen consoles(which are based on video cards from what, 2 to 4 years ago ?) should even attempt to load these resolutions.
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How about keep it at native 1080p, scrap any 3d crap, and lets focus on the next trickle down from PC gaming. -Frames per second- FPS is so much more important than a higher resolution at this point. I barely play any games on 360 because the FPS is just crap on a lot of the games. I want 0 stutter and smooth gaming. TV manufactures focus on 120hz @ 1080p and next gen consoles focus on 120 frames per second native 1080p. When that is achieved, focus on netcode, community, game delivery, more detailed graphics, shaders, physics, media, etc. Make sure everything runs smooth like butter. Then next generation maybe we start talking about upping the resolution, depending on availability and pricing of 4k.