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First, let me say that I'm not a developer. Whether .Net is a good platform for programming is out of my realm of expertise, nor do I care. As someone who services/maintains multiple PCs at work and on the side, .NET infuruates me. Effing large installers to download, time seems to stop as the POS installs itself and once thats done, you get to download/install patch after patch that all take what is IMO, an unreasonable amount of time to actually install. The fun is then multiplied several times over should you have applications that require different versions of .Net. Microsoft either needs to release a single update rollup for supported versions of .NET or package the installer fully updated. I sincerely hope that .NET dies a firey death sooner rather than later.

Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem. Office 2010? Same **** there too!

Eff you Microsoft...just eff you!

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.NET is going no where, if anything it will get bigger over time
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If you were halfway decent at your job, you would have an imaging system setup so you would only have to install updates once.
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I have it all slipstreamed including.net.... slipstream em all and it will make your life muuuuuch easier....

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[img]http://upit.cc/i/44f3fdec.png[/img]

Learn what this is, Its exactly what you need
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When installing .net is when you can go get a coffee or even go to lunch, no need to get all wound up over it
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SCCM does it for me. OSD, patch management, desired configuration, config audits, the works.

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[quote name='Routerbad' timestamp='1349307326' post='595223949']
SCCM does it for me. OSD, patch management, desired configuration, config audits, the works.
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We went to SCCM for our domain, and gawd was it expensive... over $79,000 just for SCCM and the licenses.. server licenses are $1,500 each... $150 per workstation...

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Still beats Java. :p
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Your rant has very little to do with the .NET programming language itself.
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[quote name='Xilo' timestamp='1349306976' post='595223919']
If you were halfway decent at your job, you would have an imaging system setup so you would only have to install updates once.
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Don't be a dick. I work for a non-profit. Money is tight and I'm not permitted to purchase snazzy applications like you get. I do use some free imaging software on the newer PCs being donated to save time. We're still running Server 2003 R2 and most of our PCs are donated = few years old by the time I get them.


[quote name='chAos972' timestamp='1349307996' post='595223979']
Your rant has very little to do with the .NET programming language itself.
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Yes...you picked up on that I see.

[quote name='Dr_Asik' timestamp='1349307984' post='595223977']
Still beats Java. :p
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Unfortunately, you're right, but only from a security standpoint.

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I've been trying to get a silent install of Net 4.5 for months. I need to go back and try 4.0, which is the one I need, but though I'd go ahead and get the newest. We're looking at moving to SCCM, but I didn't have time to play with it. Using ZENworks as I'm familiar with it. Just can't get this to work correctly.

Will WSUS install 4.5 or just the updates to installed versions?

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[quote name='chAos972' timestamp='1349307996' post='595223979']
Your rant has very little to do with the .NET programming language itself.
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Considering .NET isn't a programming language..it's a group of languages and related technologies, I don't see how it could.

Also I vote for slipstreaming as well. Massive time saver.

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[quote name='neufuse' timestamp='1349307696' post='595223965']
We went to SCCM for our domain, and gawd was it expensive... over $79,000 just for SCCM and the licenses.. server licenses are $1,500 each... $150 per workstation...
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Either I got really lucky, or you got royally screwed. We licensed about 50 copies of Forefront Endpoint Protection 2010 and when they 2012 version came around, we were automatically entitled to the new version. Since they changed Forefront to System Center Endpoint Protection 2012, and integrated It into SCCM, we got a license for SCCM and a SQL Server 2008 Standard license included. We originally paid less than $3000 for 3 years.

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.NET updates are indeed really annoying and incredibly slow. I'm not talking about an enterprise system here but whenever I've got to fix computers for friends and family the numerous .NET updates always make everything take AGES.

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[color=#282828].NET is going no where, if anything it will get bigger over time[/color]
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I hope your kidding, .NET is great for developing tools, remember MFC :/. Applications can greatly benefit from .net especially with portability.

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[color=#282828]If you were halfway decent at your job, you would have an imaging system setup so you would only have to install updates once.[/color]
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You can slipstream .NET into any windows installer using free tools that are out there. If your just updating workstations, you could always update all workstations at once with a login script :p.

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[color=#282828]I've got to fix computers for friends and family the numerous .NET updates always make everything take AGES.[/color]
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You could always stop volunteering to be so helpful :p, or you could teach them how to do it themselves.

I agree .net takes forever to install, but someone can correct me if i'm wrong, MS .net installers do a lot more than just install the .net runtimes, it also creates a system restore point which by itself takes ages.

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[quote name='AR556' timestamp='1349306648' post='595223901']
Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem.
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That's funny, seeing as how in November of 2011, I bought Win7 that includes SP1!

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[color=#282828]That's funny, seeing as how in November of 2011, I bought Win7 that includes SP1![/color]
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Companies who have VL agreements or MSDN subscriptions can download Win7 with or without sp1. MS updates tend to break things, so some companies might not do the full sp1 update for whatever reason.

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[quote name='AR556' timestamp='1349306648' post='595223901']
Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem. Office 2010? Same **** there too![/quote]
Or you could spend some time looking through the updates and figure out which one is for the updating process, write down which one it was, install that one, and then install SP1.

Or, I could just ask Seriously? But then I'd be a dick.

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Just put the updates on your USB Key. .net version 4.5 includes all updates from 2.0 to 4.5. .net version 1.1 includes all the ones before. Same for Windows Service Packs. Use the FULL installers, not web installers.

.net framework is actually more BENEFICIAL to admins, because it is supposed to be a collection of all the DLL runtimes ever needed for an application, rather than having to hunt down an obsure DLL or OCX file in the old days that you end up downloading from some dodgy website because you can'tfind it anywhere else.

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MS should roll all .net runtimes into a single installer.

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[quote name='Simon-' timestamp='1349312254' post='595224149']
Just put the updates on your USB Key. .net version 4.5 includes all updates from 2.0 to 4.5. .net version 1.1 includes all the ones before. Same for Windows Service Packs. Use the FULL installers, not web installers.

.net framework is actually more BENEFICIAL to admins, because it is supposed to be a collection of all the DLL runtimes ever needed for an application, rather than having to hunt down an obsure DLL or OCX file in the old days that you end up downloading from some dodgy website because you can'tfind it anywhere else.
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4.5 should only update 4.0. 3.5 does 3.0 and 2.0.

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[quote name='Shiranui' timestamp='1349312500' post='595224159']
MS should roll all .net runtimes into a single installer.
[/quote]And it should be part of the initial Windows install.

I always forget it download it when I first format.. then when I need an app, time to wait lol..

That being said, as someone who has developed with .Net.. it's great for what it is.. and it's not going anywhere.

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[quote name='AR556' timestamp='1349306648' post='595223901']
First, let me say that I'm not a developer. Whether .Net is a good platform for programming is out of my realm of expertise, nor do I care. As someone who services/maintains multiple PCs at work and on the side, .NET infuruates me. Effing large installers to download, time seems to stop as the POS installs itself and once thats done, you get to download/install patch after patch that all take what is IMO, an unreasonable amount of time to actually install. The fun is then multiplied several times over should you have applications that require different versions of .Net. Microsoft either needs to release a single update rollup for supported versions of .NET or package the installer fully updated. I sincerely hope that .NET dies a firey death sooner rather than later.

Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem. Office 2010? Same **** there too!

Eff you Microsoft...just eff you!

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Now learn how to do your job properly ;)
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To the OP who was complaining about the cost of software then why don't you talk to Microsoft about their charity licensing?

[url="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/licensing-options/for-industries.aspx#tab=4"]http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/licensing-options/for-industries.aspx#tab=4[/url]

You said you were a non-profit organisation so why not ring them up and find out whether your eligible?

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