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[RANT] I wish .NET would burn in hell!


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#16 FightAndLive

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 00:11

.NET is going no where, if anything it will get bigger over time


I hope your kidding, .NET is great for developing tools, remember MFC :/. Applications can greatly benefit from .net especially with portability.

If you were halfway decent at your job, you would have an imaging system setup so you would only have to install updates once.


You can slipstream .NET into any windows installer using free tools that are out there. If your just updating workstations, you could always update all workstations at once with a login script :p.

I've got to fix computers for friends and family the numerous .NET updates always make everything take AGES.


You could always stop volunteering to be so helpful :p, or you could teach them how to do it themselves.

I agree .net takes forever to install, but someone can correct me if i'm wrong, MS .net installers do a lot more than just install the .net runtimes, it also creates a system restore point which by itself takes ages.


#17 Asrokhel

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 00:14

Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem.


That's funny, seeing as how in November of 2011, I bought Win7 that includes SP1!

#18 FightAndLive

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 00:18

That's funny, seeing as how in November of 2011, I bought Win7 that includes SP1!


Companies who have VL agreements or MSDN subscriptions can download Win7 with or without sp1. MS updates tend to break things, so some companies might not do the full sp1 update for whatever reason.

#19 TheExperiment

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 00:19

Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem. Office 2010? Same **** there too!

Or you could spend some time looking through the updates and figure out which one is for the updating process, write down which one it was, install that one, and then install SP1.

Or, I could just ask Seriously? But then I'd be a dick.

#20 Simon-

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 00:57

Just put the updates on your USB Key. .net version 4.5 includes all updates from 2.0 to 4.5. .net version 1.1 includes all the ones before. Same for Windows Service Packs. Use the FULL installers, not web installers.

.net framework is actually more BENEFICIAL to admins, because it is supposed to be a collection of all the DLL runtimes ever needed for an application, rather than having to hunt down an obsure DLL or OCX file in the old days that you end up downloading from some dodgy website because you can'tfind it anywhere else.

#21 Shiranui

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:01

MS should roll all .net runtimes into a single installer.

#22 TheExperiment

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:06

Just put the updates on your USB Key. .net version 4.5 includes all updates from 2.0 to 4.5. .net version 1.1 includes all the ones before. Same for Windows Service Packs. Use the FULL installers, not web installers.

.net framework is actually more BENEFICIAL to admins, because it is supposed to be a collection of all the DLL runtimes ever needed for an application, rather than having to hunt down an obsure DLL or OCX file in the old days that you end up downloading from some dodgy website because you can'tfind it anywhere else.

4.5 should only update 4.0. 3.5 does 3.0 and 2.0.

#23 Ryoken

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:08

MS should roll all .net runtimes into a single installer.

And it should be part of the initial Windows install.

I always forget it download it when I first format.. then when I need an app, time to wait lol..

That being said, as someone who has developed with .Net.. it's great for what it is.. and it's not going anywhere.

#24 Kami-

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:13

First, let me say that I'm not a developer. Whether .Net is a good platform for programming is out of my realm of expertise, nor do I care. As someone who services/maintains multiple PCs at work and on the side, .NET infuruates me. Effing large installers to download, time seems to stop as the POS installs itself and once thats done, you get to download/install patch after patch that all take what is IMO, an unreasonable amount of time to actually install. The fun is then multiplied several times over should you have applications that require different versions of .Net. Microsoft either needs to release a single update rollup for supported versions of .NET or package the installer fully updated. I sincerely hope that .NET dies a firey death sooner rather than later.

Sorta related but Microsft also wastes your time with a fresh Windows 7 Install. Rather than offer you SP1 straight away, they want you to download a **** ton of pre SP1 patches and then offer you SP1. Completely unnecessary! I downloaded the SP1 installer, patched a fresh W7 install, and proceeded to install all post SP1 updates without a problem. Office 2010? Same **** there too!

Eff you Microsoft...just eff you!

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Now learn how to do your job properly ;)

#25 Mr Nom Nom's

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:16

To the OP who was complaining about the cost of software then why don't you talk to Microsoft about their charity licensing?

http://www.microsoft...ries.aspx#tab=4

You said you were a non-profit organisation so why not ring them up and find out whether your eligible?

#26 M_Lyons10

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:35

Wow, this might just be the most ridiculous rant, no post, I've ever seen. Maybe you should read up a bit on exactly what .NET is and what it does... And .NET releases have included prior releases (except for 1.1 for years...).

#27 billyea

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:22

Well this topic went downhill rather quickly.
To the OP: Please look into update server solutions to automate your job.
/thread

#28 PGHammer

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:04

.NET updates are indeed really annoying and incredibly slow. I'm not talking about an enterprise system here but whenever I've got to fix computers for friends and family the numerous .NET updates always make everything take AGES.


Which is *exactly* why I like how Windows 8 handles runtime upgrades/updates - and especially .NET.

For example, if any application or game needs *any* version of .NET below 4.0, Windows 8 will install it for you; if you have an Internet connection, it will leverage it. (Otherwise, it can install from the source media of Windows 8 itself.) In fact, .NET Framework 2.0/3.0/3.5 are all rolled into a single install. (.NET 4.0 is included with Windows 8.)

#29 +Martog

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:36

I agree .net takes forever to install, but someone can correct me if i'm wrong, MS .net installers do a lot more than just install the .net runtimes, it also creates a system restore point which by itself takes ages.


System restore points should only take awhile if the system is slow, for a single update they are generally fast.

The reason .NET updates take awhile to install as they are basically re-generating native images for your system, IE optimizing .NET for your specific system, so the applications that run on .NET will work best on your system, instead of creating a generic package for all computers. Yes the updates take longer to install than others but it is to provide the most optimized experience for the .NET applications. It is one of the many reasons .NET is a great framework.

The Native Image Generator (Ngen.exe) is a tool that improves the performance of managed applications. Ngen.exe creates native images, which are files containing compiled processor-specific machine code, and installs them into the native image cache on the local computer. The runtime can use native images from the cache instead using the just-in-time (JIT) compiler to compile the original assembly.

http://msdn.microsof...f(v=vs.80).aspx

#30 MtnDewCodeRedFreak

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:03

I noticed in the Programs and Features applet that all versions prior to 4 have been removed after installing .NET 4.5.

Hallelujah - less mess to deal with.