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[HawkMan]

That's not entirely true. cyberpunk just mixes cyber with punk. both Neuromancer and Snowcrash showed a "dichotomy"( I think that's the right world) world, Where you have the clean rich cyber world, and you have the underworld where the people who don't fit in get cheap work done before they do the dirty work of the rich people so they can become the rich people.

Both Cypberpunk 2020(what 2077 is based on) and Shadowrun actually had clean futuristic worlds. they also had the dirty undergrounds, at least in Shadowrun that's where you the shadowrunner lives, and get your contacts, meat the fixer and Mr Johnson. but most of the work you do, is done in the fancy corporate areas, their homes, their factories, their storages.

it does seem to draw a lot of inspiration from Ghost in the shell as well as a very unfortunately short lived anime series called Cyber cops or something, but that's also ok, especially since they are also cyberpunk.

[theyarecomingforyou]

Looking good.

[Skin]

sanctified, on 10 January 2013 - 23:29, said:

Didnt like the trailer. Original Cyberpunk (Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Riddley Scott), is grittier, darker, relatively clunky. Its aesthetic is a modern form of retro futurism. Everything in that trailer, from the HORRIBLE music to the aesthetics and the technology seems sophisticated, relatively clean. That's not cyberpunk, it's sci-fi. Wouldn't have a problem with that but they choose to use the word Cyberpunk, a word that implies a very specific aesthetic and setting.

maybe cyberpunk came home after a long day on the streets and decided to take a shower and wash off all that grit and emo.

Seriously, I always took cyberpunk to be more of a mindset and ideal rather than a true aesthetic. You can have a shiny room and setting and still convey cyberpunk quite well.

[sanctified]

HawkMan, on 10 January 2013 - 23:43, said:

That's not entirely true. cyberpunk just mixes cyber with punk. both Neuromancer and Snowcrash showed a "dichotomy"( I think that's the right world) world, Where you have the clean rich cyber world, and you have the underworld where the people who don't fit in get cheap work done before they do the dirty work of the rich people so they can become the rich people.

Both Cypberpunk 2020(what 2077 is based on) and Shadowrun actually had clean futuristic worlds. they also had the dirty undergrounds, at least in Shadowrun that's where you the shadowrunner lives, and get your contacts, meat the fixer and Mr Johnson. but most of the work you do, is done in the fancy corporate areas, their homes, their factories, their storages.

it does seem to draw a lot of inspiration from Ghost in the shell as well as a very unfortunately short lived anime series called Cyber cops or something, but that's also ok, especially since they are also cyberpunk.

Of course, the upper class in cyberpunk is clean. A stark contrast from the working class (Neuromancer (and cyberpunk in general) afterall was a marxist-esque critique to technology dependence. Cant be more punk than that.).

However this trailer seems to depict the underworld. And what I see strikes me as cyberpunk-light. A Michael Bay's depiction of the genre.

I know I'm being picky, but that's because cyberpunk is one of the countercultural movements and aesthetic that fascinates me the most. Specially the old school depictions of Snatcher and Blade Runner. Specially the intertwine of new technology with primitive computer interfaces.

Skin, on 11 January 2013 - 01:00, said:

maybe cyberpunk came home after a long day on the streets and decided to take a shower and wash off all that grit and emo.

emo?

How is grit emo?

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Humor me and imagine this: A painter creates a beautiful abstract piece, then decides to paint at the center of the piece a realistic object (an apple, a house, doesn't matter) and finally the artist calls his work as abstract. Yes, the abstract elements are there in the background, but the object at the center makes the whole painting something else. Not worse, not better, just something else. It cant be called abstract as such style has a very definite set of rules.

[virtorio]

Adding this game to the list of reasons of why I need to buy a decent PC.

[Skin]

sanctified, on 11 January 2013 - 03:20, said:

Of course, the upper class in cyberpunk is clean. A stark contrast from the working class (Neuromancer (and cyberpunk in general) afterall was a marxist-esque critique to technology dependence. Cant be more punk than that.).

However this trailer seems to depict the underworld. And what I see strikes me as cyberpunk-light. A Michael Bay's depiction of the genre.

I know I'm being picky, but that's because cyberpunk is one of the countercultural movements and aesthetic that fascinates me the most. Specially the old school depictions of Snatcher and Blade Runner. Specially the intertwine of new technology with primitive computer interfaces.



emo?

How is grit emo?

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Humor me and imagine this: A painter creates a beautiful abstract piece, then decides to paint at the center of the piece a realistic object (an apple, a house, doesn't matter) and finally the artist calls his work as abstract. Yes, the abstract elements are there in the background, but the object at the center makes the whole painting something else. Not worse, not better, just something else. It cant be called abstract as such style has a very definite set of rules.

but the genre isn't about dirt and grit... you only imagine it so. There is more to the entirety than what your limited scope imagines.

[sanctified]

Skin, on 11 January 2013 - 03:59, said:

but the genre isn't about dirt and grit... you only imagine it so. There is more to the entirety than what your limited scope imagines.

Enlighten me then.

[LaP]

It's a teaser guys ...

[Xilo]

I hate when game companies just show a CG cutscene and no gameplay.

[The_Decryptor]

Xilo, on 11 January 2013 - 06:29, said:

I hate when game companies just show a CG cutscene and no gameplay.

I think it's too early for any gameplay, this is mainly showing off what style they're aiming for.

[Anaron]

Xilo, on 11 January 2013 - 06:29, said:

I hate when game companies just show a CG cutscene and no gameplay.

The game is still 3 years away from release. What they've shown so far is the level of detail they want to achieve in real time. It'll be impressive if they could pull off even 75% of the detail in real time.

[brianshapiro]

sanctified, on 10 January 2013 - 23:29, said:

Didnt like the trailer. Original Cyberpunk (Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Riddley Scott), is grittier, darker, relatively clunky. Its aesthetic is a modern form of retro futurism. Everything in that trailer, from the HORRIBLE music to the aesthetics and the technology seems sophisticated, relatively clean. That's not cyberpunk, it's sci-fi. Wouldn't have a problem with that but they choose to use the word Cyberpunk, a word that implies a very specific aesthetic and setting.

Don't get me started on how steampunk as a genre has been ruined.

[n_K]

So seeing as there's a load of pro-cyberpunk people here, might as well ask a question...
Anyone know of any music similiar to the syndicate wars OST? Been searching for years but haven't actually found a single song that's similiar!

[sanctified]

n_K, on 20 January 2013 - 17:29, said:

So seeing as there's a load of pro-cyberpunk people here, might as well ask a question...
Anyone know of any music similiar to the syndicate wars OST? Been searching for years but haven't actually found a single song that's similiar!

Try Eric Brosiu's System Shock 2 soundtrack.
Brian Eno's Apollo
Vangelis work for Blade Runner
Stars of the Lid discography
Mark Morgan's work

Let me know if you liked them

[Colin McGregor]